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Masta Killa
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.23 14:13:00 -
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Now that Kali is only a month or so away, every player in these forums has become an expert on the game's balace.
Every race is an underdog and every race is overpowered.
Anything that's able to kill another ship must be nerfed and if you can't fit a full t2 tank/gank fit on your shiny new bs, so help us god you'll let us hear about it.
The amarrians whine, the caldari cry, the minmatars moan and the gallenteans sob. Such unity between the diverse races of Eve.
All the while typing up dozens of posts about nerfing or boosting anything they can think of, while adressing it all to Santa Claus himself, Tux.
Merry Patch-mas everyone and a happy 7 days of unplayability to all! --------------------------------------
Different corp but we still show up and UDIE. |
Colwyn
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Posted - 2006.10.23 14:15:00 -
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LOL, I agree wholeheartedly and /signed
Everyones an expert and everything now needs boosting and nerfing...
Keep on going Tux, I think you;re doing a great job overall and i like the variety you are bringing to the game
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Marcus Alkhaar
Exotic Dancers Club
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Posted - 2006.10.23 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Masta Killa Now that Kali is only a month or so away, every player in these forums has become an expert on the game's balace.
Every race is an underdog and every race is overpowered.
Anything that's able to kill another ship must be nerfed and if you can't fit a full t2 tank/gank fit on your shiny new bs, so help us god you'll let us hear about it.
The amarrians whine, the caldari cry, the minmatars moan and the gallenteans sob. Such unity between the diverse races of Eve.
All the while typing up dozens of posts about nerfing or boosting anything they can think of, while adressing it all to Santa Claus himself, Tux.
Merry Patch-mas everyone and a happy 7 days of unplayability to all!
QFT
the balance thingy made me laugh because its so true that it hurts
Originally by: darth solo I dont blame XS, tbh if i was in there shoes i wouldnt fight us either, its like bringing a caldari mountain sheep to fight a gallante war wolf(u like how i kept that in character |
LaCoHa
Caldari Deep Space Navy Caldari Deep Space Industral
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Posted - 2006.10.23 14:26:00 -
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Is Tux the only one that deals with content?
or is he just the player base - CCP liaison?
"I just slaughtered 28 people in that game of Battlefield 2 and never died. Man my e-p33n feels huge." |
Nir
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Posted - 2006.10.23 14:29:00 -
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This wins post of the day award. /hat off
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Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.23 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: LaCoHa Is Tux the only one that deals with content?
or is he just the player base - CCP liaison?
Tux doesn't do content at all. Tux is the leader of the game balance team - i.e. the guys that has to come up with solutions to instajumps, come up with clever ship designs, and make sure that the boosts and nerfs don't go over the top.
No one said it was easy. - What am I listening to? |
Kookman
Minmatar TAOSP Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.23 14:35:00 -
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Hate to say but Masta Killa hit the nail on the head.
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.10.23 14:38:00 -
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Jarduin
Minmatar Supreme Masters of Catatonic Behavior
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Posted - 2006.10.23 14:41:00 -
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lol & /signed
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FawKa
Gallente Old Farts The Phantom Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.23 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Nir This wins post of the day award. /hat off
QFT
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inSpirAcy
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.10.23 14:43:00 -
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I'd agree, had you clarified "every player" to be "the vast uneducated majority".
But if you're trying to subtely claim that no balance problems exist then I'm laughing at you, not with you.
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Masta Killa
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.23 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: LaCoHa Is Tux the only one that deals with content?
or is he just the player base - CCP liaison?
Everyone chants his name when they want armarr nerfed or caldari boosted. --------------------------------------
Different corp but we still show up and UDIE. |
Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.10.23 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Masta Killa
Originally by: LaCoHa Is Tux the only one that deals with content?
or is he just the player base - CCP liaison?
Everyone chants his name when they want armarr nerfed or caldari boosted.
This made me LOL
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XBox99
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Posted - 2006.10.23 15:55:00 -
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/signed
This is a great game and too many people ***** and moan about it and constantly cry for a change. Good job Tux, we know it can suck but you've got a good game.
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Masta Killa
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.23 18:22:00 -
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Don't misunderstand, this is not a thread made to suck up to anyone or pat someone on the back.
Quite frankly all this whining on the forums is enough, it's gone beyond pathetic now. --------------------------------------
Different corp but we still show up and UDIE. |
Benjamin Olson
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Posted - 2006.10.23 18:47:00 -
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So kill the forums or leave EVE. Its life.
The whining, now take a guess why you think theres whining? Ill give you a few free spaces to figure it out. - - - - - - -
There by now you've probably realized the reason we're all whining is beacuse Tux has no clue what hes doing. I swear I think hes a 14 year old kid, and unless I see a devblog with a picture of him in it, ill continue that thinking.
Amarr = crap against anyone who knows what their doing.
Minmatar = will be sharing the same fate as Amarr as soon as Tux's newest Kali themes strike.
Caldari = Not rediculously overpowered, but they are as balanced as the other races should be.
Gallente = Possibly a tad overpowered. Kali may fix them to be in line with Caldari, which is what it should be.
So you see the first two are suffering? Thank Tux for that. But after reading the post I assume you fly gallente or caldari.
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Fuujin
Hadean Drive Yards
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Posted - 2006.10.23 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Nir This wins post of the day award. /hat off
QFT _______________
The sword has to be more than a simple weapon; it has to be an answer to life's questions
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Masta Killa
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.23 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Benjamin Olson *bitter rabble*
This is exactly the kind of person I'm talking about.
And btw I've killed 2x tanked ravens at the same in an arma.
According to you and your ilk, that is impossible because everything sucks and nobody likes <insert race here>. --------------------------------------
Different corp but we still show up and UDIE. |
Blind Man
Caldari 0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.23 20:03:00 -
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Masta FTW.
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Nyxus
GALAXIAN Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.10.23 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin Tux doesn't do content at all. Tux is the leader of the game balance team - i.e. the guys that has to come up with solutions to instajumps, come up with clever ship designs, and make sure that the boosts and nerfs don't go over the top.
No one said it was easy.
One has to wonder......when TomB and Hammer turned the job over to Tux, congratulated him on his new position, and wished him well as he went back to his desk.......
.....did they laugh at him behind Tux's poor guileless back knowing the absolute misery that the forum warriors would cause him? That his every step, mistep, mispoken word and imprecisely chosen phrase would be analyzed to the Nth degree and cause him untold grief from 1000 obsessive fans?
<TomB>...congratulations <chuckles> <Hammer>The look on his face, he was so happy when you told him. <Hammer>I just couldn't tell him how it was REALLY going to be. <TomB>Yeah. It was like telling someone they are going to be tortured and them smiling and thanking you for it. Poor guy hasn't a clue. <Hammer>Well, better him than us. Want another beer? <TomB> Hell yes! Hmm....I guess we should sign Tux up for AA too, since he will be drinking and crying himself to sleep at night pretty soon. Hammer><taps keg in TomB's office for more beer> Better him than us.
Nyxus
Originally by: Tux The thought of a missile spewing armor tanking cool black looking ship makes me happy in the pants
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Randay
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.23 20:48:00 -
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hell just froze over. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Originally by: Reddari
Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
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Fuujin
Hadean Drive Yards
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Posted - 2006.10.23 21:03:00 -
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I think the forums could stand without personal attacks on devs though. It's one thing to put up a sensible argument or just tell them they're wrong and back it up but we certainly don't need personal attacks. I hope the mods tend to those and mod them.
Ian't imagine ahving to wake up each day and face the rabid dogs on this site. _______________
The sword has to be more than a simple weapon; it has to be an answer to life's questions
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xenodia
Gallente RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.23 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Benjamin Olson So kill the forums or leave EVE. Its life.
The whining, now take a guess why you think theres whining? Ill give you a few free spaces to figure it out. - - - - - - -
There by now you've probably realized the reason we're all whining is beacuse Tux has no clue what hes doing. I swear I think hes a 14 year old kid, and unless I see a devblog with a picture of him in it, ill continue that thinking.
Amarr = crap against anyone who knows what their doing.
Minmatar = will be sharing the same fate as Amarr as soon as Tux's newest Kali themes strike.
Caldari = Not rediculously overpowered, but they are as balanced as the other races should be.
Gallente = Possibly a tad overpowered. Kali may fix them to be in line with Caldari, which is what it should be.
So you see the first two are suffering? Thank Tux for that. But after reading the post I assume you fly gallente or caldari.
The problem isnt EVE. Its you and the people like you. What the whiners constantly fail to realize is that the game cant be balanced around just a small portion of the player base. Tux and the others have to take the big picture into account. Ive been involved in this game, in one form or another and on one character or another, since about 2 years before release. Ive seen each race (yes even Amarr) go through their period of being regarded as overpowered. But usually thats more a function of whatever ship/mod combination is FOTM.
Sure, if you take an Amarr ship 1 on 1 against someone that knows to tank up their thermal/EM resists, youre going to have trouble dealing damage. But out of 20000 players logged on at any one time, Id bet money that fewer than 10% of them are actually knowledgeable pvpers who go around with that good a tank all the time. Just because in theory, someone can tank up their thermal/EM resists and seriously hose an Amarr trying to attack them, doesnt mean all of eve flies around with 90% EM/Thermal resist all the time. It also doesnt mean you have no drone bay to take drones that do other damage types. Ever wonder why Caldari have no drone bay to speak of on most of their ships ? Perhaps its a form of cap on their max damage, since their primary weapons system can select damage type. The game is Eve-Online, not Theory-Online. Leave the balancing up to people who know what their doing and can look at things from the big picture, and not a small, biased perspective.
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Extregar Qvint
Caldari JuBa Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.23 22:28:00 -
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lol@OP
So true it hurts... and yea, substantiated critisism is ok... but please spare us the crybaby threds.
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Taipan Gedscho
Taipan Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.23 23:44:00 -
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last days ive been pondering if i should take some effort and make a real well written and enthusiastic post to the devs..
begging and crying, screaming and whining to them... that i really hope, they stop reading/listening to the forums.
we all know how many good mmorpgs have been nerfed and "balanced" to complete rubishness by a whining playerbase.
Look at Level 12
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Horza Otho
Minmatar Silver Star Federation
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Posted - 2006.10.23 23:53:00 -
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so true --- Eris Discordia is miiiiiine |
Zed Nash
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Posted - 2006.10.24 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: Benjamin Olson So kill the forums or leave EVE. Its life.
The whining, now take a guess why you think theres whining? Ill give you a few free spaces to figure it out. - - - - - - -
There by now you've probably realized the reason we're all whining is beacuse Tux has no clue what hes doing. I swear I think hes a 14 year old kid, and unless I see a devblog with a picture of him in it, ill continue that thinking.
Amarr = crap against anyone who knows what their doing.
Minmatar = will be sharing the same fate as Amarr as soon as Tux's newest Kali themes strike.
Caldari = Not rediculously overpowered, but they are as balanced as the other races should be.
Gallente = Possibly a tad overpowered. Kali may fix them to be in line with Caldari, which is what it should be.
So you see the first two are suffering? Thank Tux for that. But after reading the post I assume you fly gallente or caldari.
What the OP is talking about it people like you, people who walk tall, proclaim themselves Master of Balance, and belittle anyone who disagrees, even the devs.
Races each have their time in the lime-light, each has been considered overpowered at one time or another over the life of Eve. It's not intentional game design, it's the result of seemingly minor changes, and the creativity of the players, that gives birth to each "Flavor of the month".
I'm certain Tux isn't waking up every morning wondering how much more he can shaft the Amarr or the Matari, and how he can make Gallente/Caldari even better than them, but it's your slightly paranoid and highly biased opinion that makes it so.
The last person who needs to be in control of balance is someone like you "Maya Rkell is my online stalker." |
Masta Killa
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.24 00:52:00 -
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You should think about the Devs like Agents in the Matrix.
It's their world, how could they possibly be wrong about anything? --------------------------------------
Different corp but we still show up and UDIE. |
Hayabusa Fury
Caldari Wu-Tang Financial Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2006.10.24 03:05:00 -
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Edited by: Hayabusa Fury on 24/10/2006 03:06:25
Originally by: Taipan Gedscho
we all know how many good mmorpgs have been nerfed and "balanced" to complete rubishness by a whining playerbase.
Look at Level 12
QFT!!! Star Wars Galaxies anyone?!?
Remember, its their game. We just get to borrow it. As far as I am concerned, all the wanna be devs can go make their own game if they are so good at it. Yes, the game has issues and changes come about, but overall best balanced mmo I have played.
Edit: Merry Patch-mas to you OP.
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Ra'ita
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Posted - 2006.10.24 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: inSpirAcy I'd agree, had you clarified "every player" to be "the vast uneducated majority".
But if you're trying to subtely claim that no balance problems exist then I'm laughing at you, not with you.
hell, i'm part of the "vast uneducated majority", but i have to go along with this. cruising the forums, it turns out that almost every ship is both over- and under-powered, and that dying in a decent setup should never happen once not ever.
that sure isn't my experience, and i kind of wonder who is writing this claptrap.
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