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Sgt Ocker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.29 23:04:28 -
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I came across this quite interesting quote from CCP Falcon and with all the recent changes was wondering if he feels the new NulSec meets his stated opinion or does it need some amending.
Eve is now further away from what he describes than ever before. The amount of "rules" are overwhelming the sandbox element.
Sov will soon mean players from specific time zones playing together to the exclusion of interacting with those from around the world. Unless you choose to join one of the Mega alliance's and become "just a number in fleet". Individuals no longer play eve, it is being redesigned to force players to become a part of something bigger than themselves or remain a minority with limited options. (no sandbox there)
The 'realms' CCP Falcon mentions are well established, the "saviors" are the Empire builders. The fact Eve has 3 or 4 player owned empires coexisting beside Empire (highsec) is accepted by CCP but CCP can't claim to have a sandbox game when so much content has such limited opportunity.
The whole concept of "harsh, vicious, relentless and cold, is being replaced with, a 4 hour per day commitment of relentless grinding with Entosis links. That's just to protect your sov, you'll need to dedicate another 4 hours per day if you want to attack someone else's. Unless, again, you join a mega alliance where your just a number (and a relatively safe one at that) - - - - - - - - - New player experience - 3 sons of friends recently started playing (within the last 30 days). None told me they were giving Eve a try but decided after a couple of days, they had to or just give up. Their words - What the hell do I do now, most of this tutorial stuff just makes no sense. Without input from experienced players (not the trolls in rookie chat) all 3 would have quit within the 1st week.
CCP Falcon wrote:Okay, so what follows is entirely my personal opinion.
It's not a case of not "catering to the tearfilled entitled", it's a case of us staying true to the core of what EVE was built on.
Some of the people complaining in this thread have valid points about the fact that they don't feel safe. Simple fact of the matter is, that you're not suppose to feel safe in New Eden.
Eve is not a game for the faint hearted. It's a game that will chew you up and spit you out in the blink of an eye if you even think about letting your guard down or becoming complacent.
While every other MMO starts off with an intro that tells you you're going to be the savior of the realm, holds your hand, protects you, nurtures your development and ultimately guides you to your destiny as a hero along with several other million players who've had the exact same experience, EVE assaults you from the second you begin to play after you create a character, spitting you out into a universe that under the surface, is so complex that it's enough to make your head explode.
The entire design is based around being harsh, vicious, relentless, hostile and cold. It's about action and reaction, and the story that unfolds as you experience these two things.
True, we're working hard to lower the bar of entry so that more players can enjoy EVE and can get into the game. Our NPE (New Player Experience) is challenging, and we're trying to improve it to better prepare rookies for what lies out there, but when you start to play eve, you'll always start out as the little fish in the big pond.
The only way to grow is to voraciously consume what's around you, and its your choice whether that happens to be New Eden's abundant natural resources, or the other people who're also fighting their way to the top.
EVE is a playing experience like no other, where every action or reaction resonates through a single universe and is felt by players from all corners of the word. There are no shards here, no mirror universes, no instances and very few rules. If you stumble across something valuable, then chances are someone else already knows where you are, or is working their way toward you and you better be prepared to fight for what you've discovered.
EVE will test you from the outset, from the very second you undock and glimpse the stars, and will take pleasure from sorting those who can survive from those who'd rather curl up and perish.
EVE will let you fight until you collapse, then let you struggle to your feet, exhausted from the effort. Then when you can see the light at the end of the tunnel it'll kick you flat on your ass in the mud again and ask you why you deserve to be standing. It'll test you against every other individual playing at some point or another, and it'll ask for answers.
Give it an answer and maybe it'll let you up again, long enough to gather your thoughts. After a few more steps you're on the ground again and it's asking more questions.
EVE is designed to be harsh, it's designed to be challenging, and it's designed to be so deep and complex that it should fascinate and terrify you at the same time.
Corporation, Alliances and coalitions of tens of thousands have risen and fallen on these basic principles, and every one of those thousands of people has their own unique story to tell about how it affected them and what they experienced.
That's the beauty of EVE. Action and reaction. Emergence.
Welcome to the most frightening virtual playground you'll ever experience.
CCP Falcon, I would be really interested to hear whether your perspective of the new and improved "Eve by numbers" has changed your "opinion" as quoted above.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.03.29 23:08:04 -
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Iteration on the sov changes is underway.
The first outline won't be what the final implementation looks like.
If the 4 hours comes about then yeah it will not be what most players want, but we still don't know the final sov updates.
In relation to the NPE comments, I can't disagree with you. Solo play for a new player sucks. There's been a few related threads in recent times.
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Another Posting Alt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
77
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Posted - 2015.03.29 23:12:12 -
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OP loves structure grinding? |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1369
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Posted - 2015.03.29 23:17:56 -
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Well, this is the weirdest way I've seen that quote interpreted.
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DaReaper
Net 7
1874
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Posted - 2015.03.29 23:56:49 -
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Can you please pass whatever crack you are smoking to the left.. cause.. what?
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Seven Koskanaiken
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
1457
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Posted - 2015.03.30 00:08:04 -
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EVE is cold. Sometimes the central heating goes off before the SBU is dead so I get kinda cold sometimes, I guess. |
Amarrchecko
Hedion University Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2015.03.30 00:12:56 -
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Nevermind, misread a bit. |
Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.03.30 00:18:08 -
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Maybe submit a support ticket and ask him.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
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Posted - 2015.03.30 00:51:12 -
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I did my part, I already pointed out to them that their proposed system ***** all over the small groups and has a barrier of effort that cannot be achieved by them(4 hours per structure across the entire alliance), but people are too busy circlejerking each other over either the death of nullsec entire, the death of the "blue donut", the death of structure sov, and the other various narratives being advanced over the truth of the mattter.
It's up to them to realize that what they're suggesting does not accomplish their goals.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.03.30 00:56:38 -
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that quote was originally taken from the largest ganking tear thread of last year and pertains to non consensual pvp in all areas of space(read highsec).
Here is the origional Quote from this thread and was a direct response to being called out over nerfs to the predatory playstyle Edit: he has a couple of other posts in that thread escalating to that one that inform it somewhat, sovereignty was not even remotely relevant to the discussion (read ****fest) and is somewhat out of context for this topic.
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and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
1067
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Posted - 2015.03.30 01:19:42 -
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Seriously, OP, what part of Work In Progress do you not understand when it comes to the new sov mechanics?
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1371
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Posted - 2015.03.30 01:20:58 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Seriously, OP, what part of Work In Progress do you not understand when it comes to the new sov mechanics?
the "in".
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Aphsala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2015.03.30 01:28:20 -
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Change needs to happen, either become part of it an contribute to the ongoing discussion or well dont, the choice is yours
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Antonia Iskarius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2015.03.30 01:32:18 -
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I agree completely. The new sov mechanics sound terrible. Being forced into 4 hour windows of attack defend each day.
I also dislike how the ship 'rebalancing' has led to a situation where there is basically only one or two ways to correctly fit each ship due to the extremely specific roles/bonuses/slots/etc. You can often guess how a ship is going to be fit now, there isn't a lot of guesswork except for in the case of T3s.
Players use a new tactic like Skynet? Completely nerf supers and carriers into the ground, remove delegation because whiny players need their risk adverse hands held instead of figuring out how to win on their own.
I have unsubbed 7 accounts so far with the gametime left on this last one expiring shortly.
Hope you guys like playing with less and less people. |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1371
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Posted - 2015.03.30 01:38:26 -
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Antonia Iskarius wrote:I agree completely. The new sov mechanics sound terrible. Being forced into 4 hour windows of attack defend each day.
I also dislike how the ship 'rebalancing' has led to a situation where there is basically only one or two ways to correctly fit each ship due to the extremely specific roles/bonuses/slots/etc. You can often guess how a ship is going to be fit now, there isn't a lot of guesswork except for in the case of T3s.
Players use a new tactic like Skynet? Completely nerf supers and carriers into the ground, remove delegation because whiny players need their risk adverse hands held instead of figuring out how to win on their own.
I have unsubbed 7 accounts so far with the gametime left on this last one expiring shortly.
Hope you guys like playing with less and less people.
Sounds like you won't be using your stuff in the near future. If so, I promise to make use of it and offer myself as someone who will put your assets to good use. Please contract at your leisure and convenience.
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
3220
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Posted - 2015.03.30 02:02:57 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:I came across this quite interesting quote from CCP Falcon and with all the recent changes was wondering if he feels the new NulSec meets his stated opinion or does it need some amending.
Eve is now further away from what he describes than ever before. The amount of "rules" are overwhelming the sandbox element. what makes you think a sandbox with rules is not a sandbox?
how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
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Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
299
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Posted - 2015.03.30 02:06:31 -
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EVE by the numbers. What numbers?
As for the Sandbox, it was never a sandbox. Even look at CCP social media. They don't showcase building in EVE. They showcase lie, cheat, steal, backstab and destroy.
The most recent being a 600 billion ISK corp theft that was '6 months in the making'. Ignore the years and players it took to build it. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.03.30 02:09:45 -
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I'd just like to say that I didn't read one word of this thread past the title and I intend to keep it that way.
Nonetheless, I felt I should post on principle. So here I am poking at keys and contributing not in the least to whatever is passing for discourse here.
Mr Epeen
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Ashlar Maidstone
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
170
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Posted - 2015.03.30 02:10:20 -
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I too am letting my account expire in a couple days and yet it looks like my time will have to be extended enough for me to evac two ships to hisec for storage and safety. With these new sov changes my biggest concern is if this new "mechanic" is introduced to where an attacking corp/alliance/coalition flips the station, then I'll be SOL on not be able to get them out if need be.
And in regards to the nerfs to Fighters and Fighter Bomber drones, that has throwed the next step I was going to pursue in skilling for a carrier out the door.
I know I'm not gonna be missed but what a confusing mess this is turning out to be. |
Antonia Iskarius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2015.03.30 02:11:18 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Antonia Iskarius wrote:I agree completely. The new sov mechanics sound terrible. Being forced into 4 hour windows of attack defend each day.
I also dislike how the ship 'rebalancing' has led to a situation where there is basically only one or two ways to correctly fit each ship due to the extremely specific roles/bonuses/slots/etc. You can often guess how a ship is going to be fit now, there isn't a lot of guesswork except for in the case of T3s.
Players use a new tactic like Skynet? Completely nerf supers and carriers into the ground, remove delegation because whiny players need their risk adverse hands held instead of figuring out how to win on their own.
I have unsubbed 7 accounts so far with the gametime left on this last one expiring shortly.
Hope you guys like playing with less and less people. Sounds like you won't be using your stuff in the near future. If so, I promise to make use of it and offer myself as someone who will put your assets to good use. Please contract at your leisure and convenience. I have several hundred billion isk of assets spread over those deactivated accounts. Almost none on this one though, this one houses a corp/POS maintenance dude with minimum skills who only owns an iteron and some fuel blocks, the other pilot has literally no skill points and is only used for giving support in an in-game channel, and this pilot herself is a hauler alt who used to have a freighter but traded it over to the Jita alt on another account months ago. So between the three pilots on this account I only have maybe 50mil isk and an indy (which is in the middle of null-sec). I would need to plex them all in order to liquidate/disburse stuff. Sorry dude |
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1374
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Posted - 2015.03.30 02:20:23 -
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Antonia Iskarius wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Antonia Iskarius wrote:I agree completely. The new sov mechanics sound terrible. Being forced into 4 hour windows of attack defend each day.
I also dislike how the ship 'rebalancing' has led to a situation where there is basically only one or two ways to correctly fit each ship due to the extremely specific roles/bonuses/slots/etc. You can often guess how a ship is going to be fit now, there isn't a lot of guesswork except for in the case of T3s.
Players use a new tactic like Skynet? Completely nerf supers and carriers into the ground, remove delegation because whiny players need their risk adverse hands held instead of figuring out how to win on their own.
I have unsubbed 7 accounts so far with the gametime left on this last one expiring shortly.
Hope you guys like playing with less and less people. Sounds like you won't be using your stuff in the near future. If so, I promise to make use of it and offer myself as someone who will put your assets to good use. Please contract at your leisure and convenience. I have several hundred billion isk of assets spread over those deactivated accounts. Almost none on this one though, this one houses a corp/POS maintenance dude with minimum skills who only owns an iteron and some fuel blocks, the other pilot has literally no skill points and is only used for giving support in an in-game channel, and this pilot herself is a hauler alt who used to have a freighter but traded it over to the Jita alt on another account months ago. So between the three pilots on this account I only have maybe 50mil isk and an indy (which is in the middle of null-sec). I would need to plex them all in order to liquidate/disburse stuff. Sorry dude
I understand. But in the event that you need someone to offload on who will use everything you're abandoning, feel free to dump it on me.
In any event, have a nice day :)
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Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
132
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Posted - 2015.03.30 03:22:57 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Antonia Iskarius wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Antonia Iskarius wrote:I agree completely. The new sov mechanics sound terrible. Being forced into 4 hour windows of attack defend each day.
I also dislike how the ship 'rebalancing' has led to a situation where there is basically only one or two ways to correctly fit each ship due to the extremely specific roles/bonuses/slots/etc. You can often guess how a ship is going to be fit now, there isn't a lot of guesswork except for in the case of T3s.
Players use a new tactic like Skynet? Completely nerf supers and carriers into the ground, remove delegation because whiny players need their risk adverse hands held instead of figuring out how to win on their own.
I have unsubbed 7 accounts so far with the gametime left on this last one expiring shortly.
Hope you guys like playing with less and less people. Sounds like you won't be using your stuff in the near future. If so, I promise to make use of it and offer myself as someone who will put your assets to good use. Please contract at your leisure and convenience. I have several hundred billion isk of assets spread over those deactivated accounts. Almost none on this one though, this one houses a corp/POS maintenance dude with minimum skills who only owns an iteron and some fuel blocks, the other pilot has literally no skill points and is only used for giving support in an in-game channel, and this pilot herself is a hauler alt who used to have a freighter but traded it over to the Jita alt on another account months ago. So between the three pilots on this account I only have maybe 50mil isk and an indy (which is in the middle of null-sec). I would need to plex them all in order to liquidate/disburse stuff. Sorry dude I understand. But in the event that you need someone to offload on who will use everything you're abandoning, feel free to dump it on me. In any event, have a nice day :)
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Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
666
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Posted - 2015.03.30 06:22:38 -
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I doubt there's anyone left at CCP actively involved in development that recalls first hand what EVE was originally built on. I'd bet those there are operating from second-hand, third-hand legend and myth - with an added conceptualization problem trying to attach pictures to the words - sandbox for instance. The game of no rules with rules.
This pristine definition of EVE left the rails five years ago...working on six now. Since then it's been change/adjust alter/dump repeat and rinse in the form of "updates". Now and then there's pleasant additions which seem to be born from somebody's whimsy. If ever something needed to be recalibrated from a fundamental base it's EVE. However, the Icelandic Ego would never admit to this. It's, after all, -+Qu+¬ es m+ís machista - when it should be "What, exactly, are we trying to do here?"
Unfortunately, the default position for corporations is to answer that question, "Trying to make money." Of course.
The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
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WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame
7335
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Posted - 2015.03.30 07:55:00 -
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is eve kill yet?
Sisohiv wrote:As for the Sandbox, it was never a sandbox. Even look at CCP social media. They don't showcase building in EVE. They showcase lie, cheat, steal, backstab and destroy. and you're saying that whatever players are destroying was put there by the devs, like in the mainstream FPS games that tell you, "here's a wall, shoot a rocket at it and watch it explode"?
there is nothing that players build in this game, such as ships, starbases and even entire empires with vast armies of tens of thousands of other players? no? okay then if that's the case I think I might be in the wrong game.
time to unsub, eve is definitely kill.
Everything's a game if you make it one - Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
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Sgt Ocker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
384
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Posted - 2015.03.30 08:46:04 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:that quote was originally taken from the largest ganking tear thread of last year and pertains to non consensual pvp in all areas of space(read highsec). Here is the origional Quote from this thread and was a direct response to being called out over nerfs to the predatory playstyle Edit: he has a couple of other posts in that thread escalating to that one that inform it somewhat, sovereignty was not even remotely relevant to the discussion (read ****fest) and is somewhat out of context for this topic. So his views and opinions on Eve would vary depending on what the topic is?
I hope your wrong, he is one of the few Devs I have any faith in, that he wants what is best for the game, rather than what makes him popular with his game friends.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
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Sgt Ocker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
385
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Posted - 2015.03.30 09:32:51 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Iteration on the sov changes is underway.
The first outline won't be what the final implementation looks like.
If the 4 hours comes about then yeah it will not be what most players want, but we still don't know the final sov updates.
In relation to the NPE comments, I can't disagree with you. Solo play for a new player sucks. There's been a few related threads in recent times. Judging by the 199 pages of "no response or update from Devs" thread on the new sov system and the meager amount of new information given at Fanfest and the time for deployment getting closer - What you see is what you get. CCP is more than making it clear players come 2nd and their needs and wants come 1st, where updates to Eve are concerned.
I believe one Dev when asked about the coming changes was said to have replied - I can't give you any further information except, it will be Awesome. So far "Awesome" is far from the 1st thing i think of. The exact opposite seems more applicable, based on the limited information and feedback we have received from the development team. CCP has set themselves 8 goals they want to achieve with the coming sov changes and unless they completely rewrite parts of the proposal, 6 of those 8 will not be achieved. Simply reading the proposed changes and how they interact with each other = failed goals.
My comments on NPE are based on the sons of 3 friends (who don't play Eve) who decided they wanted to give it a go. Getting a phone call from a mate at 8pm asking me to login to help his 19 year old son and a couple of his friends "learn that crazy game you play" was quite funny but at the same time got me to thinking. These kids have grown up playing games online and on consoles, yet had so much trouble getting into Eve they had to ask for help. I directed them to rookie chat (and opened it myself) What a disaster, rookies giving rookies advise and trolls trying underhanded scams or just giving out and out bad info. I told them to close the channel and gave them a few names to call on for advice if i wasn't around. Not all rookies have a ready made network to call on for assistance and information. The older teenagers starting eve today, are eves future, they need something more to engage and motivate them.
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Sgt Ocker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
385
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Posted - 2015.03.30 09:36:56 -
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Candi LeMew wrote:Maybe submit a support ticket and ask him. ..... The rest of eve don't deserve to know? Should CCP keep more secrets about their vision for Eve?
Stay a mushroom, you can roll your eyes all you like in the dark, uninformed room you choose to live in. (no-one will see you)
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2782
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Posted - 2015.03.30 10:07:43 -
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As long as they add enough psshhhhhh in it we'll be fine ....
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
9212
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Posted - 2015.03.30 10:28:12 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:that quote was originally taken from the largest ganking tear thread of last year and pertains to non consensual pvp in all areas of space(read highsec). Here is the origional Quote from this thread and was a direct response to being called out over nerfs to the predatory playstyle Edit: he has a couple of other posts in that thread escalating to that one that inform it somewhat, sovereignty was not even remotely relevant to the discussion (read ****fest) and is somewhat out of context for this topic. So his views and opinions on Eve would vary depending on what the topic is? I hope your wrong, he is one of the few Devs I have any faith in, that he wants what is best for the game, rather than what makes him popular with his game friends. Don't take me the wrong way now, I have my concerns about the upcoming changes also , however I think it's a bit early to be calling our community manager out over proposed features while they are still very much in development.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1610
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Posted - 2015.03.30 10:35:33 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:that quote was originally taken from the largest ganking tear thread of last year and pertains to non consensual pvp in all areas of space(read highsec). Here is the origional Quote from this thread and was a direct response to being called out over nerfs to the predatory playstyle Edit: he has a couple of other posts in that thread escalating to that one that inform it somewhat, sovereignty was not even remotely relevant to the discussion (read ****fest) and is somewhat out of context for this topic. So his views and opinions on Eve would vary depending on what the topic is? I hope your wrong, he is one of the few Devs I have any faith in, that he wants what is best for the game, rather than what makes him popular with his game friends. Don't take me the wrong way now, I have my concerns about the upcoming changes also , however I think it's a bit early to be calling our community manager out over proposed features while they are still very much in development.
Let me bolden, underline and italic that. The OP is (pardon my french) humping the wrong leg on the wrong dev.
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