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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.31 21:02:58 -
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DaReaper wrote:
With unlimited skill queue and other such things people who get bored can plug in a year of skills, and go play soemthing else. People who use eve-offline numbers as proof that the subs are down are dumb. It CAN mean that, but most likly not.
Also if you look at the last 6 month update form CCP they were merely down 2.5k subs compaired to the first 6 months in 2013.
They have not released the YTD numbers yet, and are holding off till aug. Which means maybe they did take a huge dip. But i don't think so.
Unlimited skill queue has an effect, personally I'm less active during the week since the change only logging in for some announced fleets. My queue is set for the next 4 months.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Sgt Ocker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
391
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Posted - 2015.03.31 23:05:45 -
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Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:NPE should include a mandatory 'tour of duty' in Faction Warfare. Welcome to combat 1.1 (1.0 is shooting at red crosses). Learn to fight, and learn to die. Many times, preferably. In fact, any NPC corp character should automatically be in Faction Warfare. Don't like the heat? Then find solace in the rookie systems. Otherwise man up or join a corp. Or you can stay NPC and be a persistent target for your faction's enemies. No more 'free pass' for NPC neutrals (you are all spais anyway ) That would happen, only, if CCP's goal was to reduce new player retention. It is low enough now, forcing 2 day old toons into combat with 1 to 5 year veterans is really going to encourage them to stay, don't you think? It encouraged me and thousands of other newbies the last two years. Now we have the second largest alliance in EvE. Look again at the presentation that Rise gave. The numbers show that player retention is way higher when players get their ships blown up early in their carreer. No it didn't Eve has never had that type of thing in place. Can you post those numbers for me? Personally anything Rise and CO have to say has no credibility. "Metrics", like all forms of statistics can be made to show what you want them to. If in fact player retention is so high and getting killed in the 1st few days of your eve career is so wonderful, why have online numbers dropped so much over the last 12 months. 12 months ago average online was 30k, now it is 26k. My main TZ has gone from 26k to around 16k.Take out those running multiple accounts, the numbers are even worse.
Had you been set to red to 1/4 of Eve on your 1st day in eve and died over and over, I don't think you would have stayed. I don't think anyone would stay under those conditions and who could blame them? A 1 month old character moving in to a blob alliance is fairly safe and as long as they buy plex or have a benefactor can survive.
Yes some with less than 1 million SP will make it in blob fleets but then not everyone wants to belong to the second largest Alliance in Eve. In fact for many, it is the last thing they want. You also need to take into consideration, Brave is very different to what it was 2 years ago. A 1 month old character joining Brave now, would be pushing it uphill all the way. Not everyone wants to spend years training up characters to sit in blob fleets.
There used to be far more to Eve than which coalition you belonged to.
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Sgt Ocker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
391
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Posted - 2015.03.31 23:07:18 -
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Talvorian Dex wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:CCP Falcon, I would be really interested to hear whether your perspective of the new and improved "Eve by numbers" has changed your "opinion" as quoted above. Nope There's no better way to respond to a wall of text than a one-word answer. *sighs and salutes the master* Just shows, Devs can troll too.
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Sgt Ocker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
391
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Posted - 2015.03.31 23:27:10 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:DaReaper wrote:You do know that numbers online to not equal number of accounts right? 4 years ago i took a year off when my wife had my son, but my three accounts were paid for for the full year. With unlimited skill queue and other such things people who get bored can plug in a year of skills, and go play soemthing else. Exactly. CCP realised that people not playing is still a good thing, because that's how EVE ONLINE as a platform works. It turns out that "numbers playing" is actually less relevant than "numbers participating". Of course wouldn't it look good to drop to 10k, but that's not what's going to happen. So, while you are not playing you have paid for a full year. That means that you are still participating on the EVE ONLINE platform, no matter how it looks. What matters, is: a) You will come back into the game! b) You might be using the plattform in a different way. Imagine a launcher which doesn't tell us "34.254 players logged in" ... ... but "154.998 players connected with EVE ONLINE" (as a platform). This number comes from every single active player within the EVE ONLINE plattform. EVE, DUST, everyone active on the forums, everyone currently using the webui (active, ongoing mail conversations?) ... ... people active on sites or via tools which use CREST, the SSO ... ... and whatever else I can not think of. *sighs* I can only dream ... How good would that be? 154k active subscriptions, is still only 15k individual players online (maybe less). Good for CCP, not so good for those actually looking for in game content.
I don't think CCP actually knows how many active individual players there are and adding all the different parts like Crest and forum use together only confuses any real attempt to get the number.
EveOffline regularly updates player statistics, only problem is, it too can't tell how many of the 30k active players are alts.
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ashley Eoner
466
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Posted - 2015.03.31 23:48:22 -
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Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:... I would prefer the 1-man corps to all the NPC corp characters we have now. It is a start... Set all the major NPC corps to red, the newbie ones to orange and go on a suicide ganking spree with the whole of Low Sec. Seriously, a member of the Faction Warfare corps (ie State Protectorate for instance) should be able to do that without Concord intervention (or a security hit) if the target is in the opposing state's NPC corps. Security ratings of an enemy system make that progressively more difficult, and rookie systems are off limits in all Empires. It certainly would be welcome in the Faction Warfare community In light of the topic, think of it as a sandbox at your school. Now your sandbox is full of kids from the other schools... Of course it would be. Why fight people that have a chance at beating you when you can just go club 10 minute old seals?
I'm pretty convinced you want to kill this game and as such have decided that the first step is stopping new players from joining,.
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:... flood of 1 man corps ... CEO gets the assets dropped in station with them and ISK to wallet then the corp auto disbands if 5 different IPs don't log in every 5 days. It would take me all of maybe 20 minutes to log 5 different IPs into the game. From the same machine even...
It's amazing to me how clueless people can be while thinking they are clever. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1183
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Posted - 2015.04.01 00:16:52 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:CEO gets the assets dropped in station with them and ISK to wallet then the corp auto disbands if 5 different IPs don't log in every 5 days. It would take me all of maybe 20 minutes to log 5 different IPs into the game. From the same machine even... It's amazing to me how clueless people can be while thinking they are clever. I am using as a troll icon. It is amazing to me how people lack basic comprehension skills. Tipa Riot wrote:DaReaper wrote:With unlimited skill queue and other such things people who get bored can plug in a year of skills, and go play soemthing else. People who use eve-offline numbers as proof that the subs are down are dumb. It CAN mean that, but most likly not. Also if you look at the last 6 month update form CCP they were merely down 2.5k subs compaired to the first 6 months in 2013. They have not released the YTD numbers yet, and are holding off till aug. Which means maybe they did take a huge dip. But i don't think so. Unlimited skill queue has an effect, personally I'm less active during the week since the change only logging in for some announced fleets. My queue is set for the next 4 months. I wish more tourists were like you are.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
59
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Posted - 2015.04.01 00:21:31 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:... I would prefer the 1-man corps to all the NPC corp characters we have now. It is a start... Set all the major NPC corps to red, the newbie ones to orange and go on a suicide ganking spree with the whole of Low Sec. Seriously, a member of the Faction Warfare corps (ie State Protectorate for instance) should be able to do that without Concord intervention (or a security hit) if the target is in the opposing state's NPC corps. Security ratings of an enemy system make that progressively more difficult, and rookie systems are off limits in all Empires. It certainly would be welcome in the Faction Warfare community In light of the topic, think of it as a sandbox at your school. Now your sandbox is full of kids from the other schools... Of course it would be. Why fight people that have a chance at beating you when you can just go club 10 minute old seals? I'm pretty convinced you want to kill this game and as such have decided that the first step is stopping new players from joining,.
I think you misinterpret what is being said.
I am all for sticking up for the newbros (and my posting history verifies this). What I am suggesting is that newbros, as part of the NPE, get to be a part of the battles that happen every day in FW. At an early point in time they have virtually nothing to lose. No creds, no assets, no reputation to hold them back from going head-first-full-tilt PvP. Eve should make your heart pound and your hands sweaty! This is what I think is needed for new players, now more than ever.
Fear is what holds people back. And the longer you go without diving into the pool, the less likely you will ever learn to swim. Risk aversion is what we learn in game, as our assets grow and our mistrust increases. A newbro should just dive in and go shoot people. Have fun and learn to lose some stuff, cause you can get those FW frigates cheap. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1380
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Posted - 2015.04.01 00:42:20 -
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Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:I think you misinterpret what is being said.
I am all for sticking up for the newbros (and my posting history verifies this). What I am suggesting is that newbros, as part of the NPE, get to be a part of the battles that happen every day in FW. At an early point in time they have virtually nothing to lose. No creds, no assets, no reputation to hold them back from going head-first-full-tilt PvP. Eve should make your heart pound and your hands sweaty! This is what I think is needed for new players, now more than ever.
Fear is what holds people back. And the longer you go without diving into the pool, the less likely you will ever learn to swim. Risk aversion is what we learn in game, as our assets grow and our mistrust increases. A newbro should just dive in and go shoot people. Have fun and learn to accept losing some stuff, cause you can get those FW frigates cheap. I don't understand the reasoning here. Maybe new players as they come in now have something I lacked, but I was completely unprepared for PvP for quite a while. My stint in RvB to see if PvP was of any interest to me was cut short from being killed often too fast to even understand what I was doing wrong. That didn't make me more accustomed to PvP or adapt to it, but rather draw away from it because the only thing my experience emphasized was my lack of competence in it.
I had the benefit of some established assets and isk earning ability which made the T1 frig losses inconsequential as well as an understanding that PvP of that nature wasn't all the game had to offer. I'm skeptical of an actual new players ability to survive the same without support. |
Lady Zarrina
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
179
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Posted - 2015.04.01 01:07:34 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote: - - - - - - - - - New player experience - 3 sons of friends recently started playing (within the last 30 days). None told me they were giving Eve a try but decided after a couple of days, they had to or just give up. Their words - What the hell do I do now, most of this tutorial stuff just makes no sense. Without input from experienced players (not the trolls in rookie chat) all 3 would have quit within the 1st week..
I must admit I have not tried the latest version of the New Player Experience, but Eve is not for everyone. So are you saying the New player Experience needs to be improved, or we need Eve to become WoW and drag them by the nose and point them to a dungeon raid? I don't know these 3 people, but if they came from any MMO developed in the last few years, they probably have no idea what a sandbox is. Basically, do these people need to be told how to have fun? Most developers assume you do.
EVE: All about Flying Frisky and Making Iskie
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ashley Eoner
466
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Posted - 2015.04.01 01:08:12 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:I think you misinterpret what is being said.
I am all for sticking up for the newbros (and my posting history verifies this). What I am suggesting is that newbros, as part of the NPE, get to be a part of the battles that happen every day in FW. At an early point in time they have virtually nothing to lose. No creds, no assets, no reputation to hold them back from going head-first-full-tilt PvP. Eve should make your heart pound and your hands sweaty! This is what I think is needed for new players, now more than ever.
Fear is what holds people back. And the longer you go without diving into the pool, the less likely you will ever learn to swim. Risk aversion is what we learn in game, as our assets grow and our mistrust increases. A newbro should just dive in and go shoot people. Have fun and learn to accept losing some stuff, cause you can get those FW frigates cheap. I don't understand the reasoning here. Maybe new players as they come in now have something I lacked, but I was completely unprepared for PvP for quite a while. My stint in RvB to see if PvP was of any interest to me was cut short from being killed often too fast to even understand what I was doing wrong. That didn't make me more accustomed to PvP or adapt to it, but rather draw away from it because the only thing my experience emphasized was my lack of competence in it. I had the benefit of some established assets and isk earning ability which made the T1 frig losses inconsequential as well as an understanding that PvP of that nature wasn't all the game had to offer. I'm skeptical of an actual new players ability to survive the same without support. The issue is he doesn't have a clue anymore what it was like to first start playing eve. He's got this romanticized outlook that never really existed. Sure a small percentage might like it but the vast majority will need time to figure stuff out.
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:ashley Eoner wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:CEO gets the assets dropped in station with them and ISK to wallet then the corp auto disbands if 5 different IPs don't log in every 5 days. It would take me all of maybe 20 minutes to log 5 different IPs into the game. From the same machine even... It's amazing to me how clueless people can be while thinking they are clever. I am using as a troll icon. It is amazing to me how people lack basic comprehension skills. So one single smiling emoticon like you're happy at the idea was supposed to tell me that you're being sarcastic? Why bother posting anything at all then? Reading has nothing to do with an emoticon. What I did read was deadpanned serious in text form. |
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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
59
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Posted - 2015.04.01 01:18:44 -
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Sigh...
I said my two bits. I'm not going to sit here and debate this with NPC corpies (no offense). We see things differently, and that's ok. Enjoy the game, I'm glad you are interested and playing.
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Sgt Ocker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
391
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Posted - 2015.04.01 02:25:10 -
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Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:Sigh...
I said my two bits. I'm not going to sit here and debate this with NPC corpies (no offense). We see things differently, and that's ok. Enjoy the game, I'm glad you are interested and playing.
o7 Funny but I see here a guy who has not left Empire, let alone participated in FW saying he won't debate with npc corpies? Yet wants to make every new player who joins the game a legitimate target from day 1. Bad idea and very narrow minded.
Unless of course you are posting with an alt - Which is quite common and cannot be used to judge whether another's comments are valid or not.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
85
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Posted - 2015.04.01 02:27:14 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:How good would that be? 154k active subscriptions, is still only 15k individual players online (maybe less). Try thinking about it first.
It's a necessary part you should be performing too, but all you do is read and reply.
Quote:Good for CCP, not so good for those actually looking for in game content.
I don't think CCP actually knows how many active individual players there are and adding all the different parts like Crest and forum use together only confuses any real attempt to get the number.
EveOffline regularly updates player statistics, only problem is, it too can't tell how many of the 30k active players are alts.
It matters not, actually. The big picture is that what you care about is really irrelevant.
I can assure you this, because just a few days before you started with this thread ... ... nobody cared either.
The only reason why there is an illusion of a conversation going on, (in your head, at least) is because there are other people who are like you, easily triggerable.
All you do is serving a usefull purpose.
You keep the people busy.
Beyond that ... there's nothing.
Have a nice day anyway. :)
"Please do not file support tickets to ask if your support ticket will be answered soon." - Actual Quote.
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Lienzo
Amanuensis
66
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Posted - 2015.04.01 04:04:42 -
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I don't like that we can only fight over these sov anoms for a narrow period of time. Downtime between timers is the exact thing that we don't need. It's boring. What're we supposed to go do other than start more timers?
Ideally, the sov anoms should be interbellum features. We should be able to fight over them 23/7. It would be nice if they would shove the timers back and forth by a reciprocal amount.
That would speed up uncontested outcomes, and string out contested ones. The limit for pushing timers back or forwards should be limited to 50% or so of whatever constitutes the itmer length
Ideally, the number of sov anoms would also be dynamic. If we occupy one, two more should spawn, each with 1/n effect on constellation status. This allows us to split fleets endlessly. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
88
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Posted - 2015.04.01 06:27:40 -
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Sandbox itself remain the same size which originaly built. But population of kindrgarden was growing in numbers geometrically. CCP is trying to juggle with meta and lil objects adding into a sandbox. So the problem remain the same - does sandbox ready to be turned into a desert? |
Sgt Ocker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
391
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Posted - 2015.04.01 06:29:12 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:How good would that be? 154k active subscriptions, is still only 15k individual players online (maybe less). Try thinking about it first. It's a necessary part you should be performing too, but all you do is read and reply. Quote:Good for CCP, not so good for those actually looking for in game content.
I don't think CCP actually knows how many active individual players there are and adding all the different parts like Crest and forum use together only confuses any real attempt to get the number.
EveOffline regularly updates player statistics, only problem is, it too can't tell how many of the 30k active players are alts. It matters not, actually. The big picture is that what you care about is really irrelevant. I can assure you this, because just a few days before you started with this thread ... ... nobody cared either. The only reason why there is an illusion of a conversation going on, (in your head, at least)is because there are other people who are like you, easily triggerable. All you do is serving a usefull purpose. You keep the people busy. Beyond that ... there's nothing. Have a nice day anyway. :) Excellent, I'm serving a useful purpose? I consider that more useful than like you being a troll with nothing useful to add.
Oh and just as an aside, I kept you occupied for a few mins; OP success
Yes, have a nice day, even the silliest trolls deserve that.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.04.01 18:52:28 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:.... So the problem remain the same - does sandbox ready to be turned into a desert? Wurm is a great example where people can have their own village (equate this to a corp) and the average village population is 0-1. I asked a load of people and it seems to boil down to dreams of leading their own group.
I see a lot of other guilds and in EVE corps try and die.
This points to a dreams of people wanting to lead groups and probably have their own "Null Sec" kingdom. When word spread of how awful the changes are (if they are implemented as described in Fozzie Logic's dev blog) then I think a lot of people will lose that dream and that hope. They might not have it consciously but I think when it is gone it will undermine their reason for staying in EVE so there will be people quitting from other parts of space.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
240
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Posted - 2015.04.01 20:39:15 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Tiddle Jr wrote:.... So the problem remain the same - does sandbox ready to be turned into a desert? Wurm is a great example where people can have their own village (equate this to a corp) and the average village population is 0-1. I asked a load of people and it seems to boil down to dreams of leading their own group. I see a lot of other guilds and in EVE corps try and die. This points to a dreams of people wanting to lead groups and probably have their own "Null Sec" kingdom. When word spread of how awful the changes are (if they are implemented as described in Fozzie Logic's dev blog) then I think a lot of people will lose that dream and that hope. They might not have it consciously but I think when it is gone it will undermine their reason for staying in EVE so there will be people quitting from other parts of space.
but you believe some players are not looking at this new system and dreaming up their own cunning plans. thinking maybe this is our chance to take space, isn't that a bit narrow minded? you really believe that the people that own and run null right now, will be there forever and only they have what it takes to own sov and lead a powerful force within the game. that's rather silly if i'm honest with you. there is always someone waiting to fill those shoes and lead a group and take sov or do all the other things in EVE. empires rise and fall, people join and one day leave, but always there is someone to take their place. it's been that way since i joined EVE 7 years ago. always the I'm gonna take my ball and go home threads, if CCP don't do as i want i will unsub my 1000 alts threads. the EVE is dead or going to die threads
look it's kinda simple, nothing lasts forever, i'm sure one day the plug will be pulled on this amazing little universe we've created and we'll all think back to these days and go wow. what a feckin trip that was. but why worry about that shite. while we're here just love it or leave it.
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Vic Jefferson
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
225
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Posted - 2015.04.01 21:37:28 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:You also need to take into consideration, Brave is very different to what it was 2 years ago. A 1 month old character joining Brave now, would be pushing it uphill all the way. Not everyone wants to spend years training up characters to sit in blob fleets.
There used to be far more to Eve than which coalition you belonged to.
Brave should have never left Barleguet.
I really wish low sec income would be fixed so more groups could set up shop there.
If enough like minded people had enough effort and enthusiasm, BNI 2.0 should set up shop in Barleguet once again, albiet with one erratum - we play to play, not play to sov.
Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X
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Sgt Ocker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
391
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Posted - 2015.04.01 22:04:32 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Tiddle Jr wrote:.... So the problem remain the same - does sandbox ready to be turned into a desert? Wurm is a great example where people can have their own village (equate this to a corp) and the average village population is 0-1. I asked a load of people and it seems to boil down to dreams of leading their own group. I see a lot of other guilds and in EVE corps try and die. This points to a dreams of people wanting to lead groups and probably have their own "Null Sec" kingdom. When word spread of how awful the changes are (if they are implemented as described in Fozzie Logic's dev blog) then I think a lot of people will lose that dream and that hope. They might not have it consciously but I think when it is gone it will undermine their reason for staying in EVE so there will be people quitting from other parts of space. but you believe some players are not looking at this new system and dreaming up their own cunning plans. thinking maybe this is our chance to take space, isn't that a bit narrow minded? you really believe that the people that own and run null right now, will be there forever and only they have what it takes to own sov and lead a powerful force within the game. that's rather silly if i'm honest with you. there is always someone waiting to fill those shoes and lead a group and take sov or do all the other things in EVE. empires rise and fall, people join and one day leave, but always there is someone to take their place. it's been that way since i joined EVE 7 years ago. always the I'm gonna take my ball and go home threads, if CCP don't do as i want i will unsub my 1000 alts threads. the EVE is dead or going to die threads look it's kinda simple, nothing lasts forever, i'm sure one day the plug will be pulled on this amazing little universe we've created and we'll all think back to these days and go wow. what a feckin trip that was. but why worry about that shite. while we're here just love it or leave it. So your attitude and analysis is pretty good but not quite reality based. After 7 years, you have been around to see how we got to where we are now and unless something drastic happens, not much will change overall.
The only real change coming is Supers and Titans are being replaced with Entosis fit Condors and Rifters.
Yes many will be looking at this and dreaming up plans. For the majority, plans is as far as it will get, a few might make the jump and try to hold sov. Of those few, some who prove worthy will be absorbed into one of the bloks, others may end up holding sov that is really not worth anything but provides content for the blok members, until they get bored and force them out.
The "leaders" of the large bloks for the most part are no longer active in the game but be assured they still have a pretty firm grip on their empires. The people who do the day to day running or these organizations have no aspirations of "taking over" and until someone with more money than sense comes along who can setup an infrastructure to rival even the smallest coalition, the status quo in sov nul will remain. Alliances will come and go but those controlling much of the nulsec content are there to stay.
Unless CCP mans up and makes each alliance responsible for the defense or capture of space they want to control, not much will change.
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Sgt Ocker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
391
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Posted - 2015.04.01 22:13:01 -
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Vic Jefferson wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:You also need to take into consideration, Brave is very different to what it was 2 years ago. A 1 month old character joining Brave now, would be pushing it uphill all the way. Not everyone wants to spend years training up characters to sit in blob fleets.
There used to be far more to Eve than which coalition you belonged to. Brave should have never left Barleguet. I really wish low sec income would be fixed so more groups could set up shop there. If enough like minded people had enough effort and enthusiasm, BNI 2.0 should set up shop in Barleguet once again, albiet with one erratum - we play to play, not play to sov. Agreed, Brave did an awesome job and was very good at what it did. Now they are just another sov alliance who will need to choose who they ally with carefully, or die.
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Amy Lemmont
New Order Logistics CODE.
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Posted - 2015.04.01 22:13:13 -
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Vic Jefferson wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:You also need to take into consideration, Brave is very different to what it was 2 years ago. A 1 month old character joining Brave now, would be pushing it uphill all the way. Not everyone wants to spend years training up characters to sit in blob fleets.
There used to be far more to Eve than which coalition you belonged to. Brave should have never left Barleguet. I really wish low sec income would be fixed so more groups could set up shop there. If enough like minded people had enough effort and enthusiasm, BNI 2.0 should set up shop in Barleguet once again, albiet with one erratum - we play to play, not play to sov.
Pretty much this. You would see alot more activity in low sec if High sec income was nerfed and / or Low sec income was buffed. |
Vic Jefferson
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
225
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Posted - 2015.04.01 23:11:42 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote: Alliances will come and go but those controlling much of the nulsec content are there to stay.
Right. Pretty much anyone that seriously wants null either already has it or could more easily assimilate into an established block.
Which is pretty much why the whole sov revamp is sort of pyrrhic - you can change the rules but you can't change how stacked the teams are. If the goal is to make life exciting for new players, Low and NPC null are the areas that need attention the most.
Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
408
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Posted - 2015.04.02 00:22:11 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Antonia Iskarius wrote:I agree completely. The new sov mechanics sound terrible. Being forced into 4 hour windows of attack defend each day.
I also dislike how the ship 'rebalancing' has led to a situation where there is basically only one or two ways to correctly fit each ship due to the extremely specific roles/bonuses/slots/etc. You can often guess how a ship is going to be fit now, there isn't a lot of guesswork except for in the case of T3s.
Players use a new tactic like Skynet? Completely nerf supers and carriers into the ground, remove delegation because whiny players need their risk adverse hands held instead of figuring out how to win on their own.
I have unsubbed 7 accounts so far with the gametime left on this last one expiring shortly.
Hope you guys like playing with less and less people. Sounds like you won't be using your stuff in the near future. If so, I promise to make use of it and offer myself as someone who will put your assets to good use. Please contract at your leisure and convenience. I've got 40 Billion in ISK and about 200 Billion in assets. I promise the day I quit, I will biomass ALL my characters with everything I own. No one gets a bloody thing...
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
88
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Posted - 2015.04.02 00:39:01 -
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BrundleMeth wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Antonia Iskarius wrote:I agree completely. The new sov mechanics sound terrible. Being forced into 4 hour windows of attack defend each day.
I also dislike how the ship 'rebalancing' has led to a situation where there is basically only one or two ways to correctly fit each ship due to the extremely specific roles/bonuses/slots/etc. You can often guess how a ship is going to be fit now, there isn't a lot of guesswork except for in the case of T3s.
Players use a new tactic like Skynet? Completely nerf supers and carriers into the ground, remove delegation because whiny players need their risk adverse hands held instead of figuring out how to win on their own.
I have unsubbed 7 accounts so far with the gametime left on this last one expiring shortly.
Hope you guys like playing with less and less people. Sounds like you won't be using your stuff in the near future. If so, I promise to make use of it and offer myself as someone who will put your assets to good use. Please contract at your leisure and convenience. I've got 40 Billion in ISK and about 200 Billion in assets. I promise the day I quit, I will biomass ALL my characters with everything I own. No one gets a bloody thing... On another note CCP Falcons speech sounds like nothing more than a marketing effort. All the people who insist on crapping with the "adapt or quit" stupidity don't seem to understand things really aren't so great... Regardless of the empty quotation about EVE being the savior of the gaming world and the best game ever, etc, etc, etc, the fact is there are other games out there to play...I really like playing EVE...but it really seems like someone at CCP wants to drive it into the ground...and I don't understand why???
All true except biomassing without give away. Where do you think all yuor isk and assets go? Exactly all those go to CCP. Please don't do that. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
88
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Posted - 2015.04.02 00:58:19 -
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I got another question - who are complainng more about sov 5.0? A lot of alts on forums so not really clear who represents which alli or coalition. Who do you think lose more, who would gain more after June. |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
408
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Posted - 2015.04.02 01:01:01 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:BrundleMeth wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Antonia Iskarius wrote:I agree completely. The new sov mechanics sound terrible. Being forced into 4 hour windows of attack defend each day.
I also dislike how the ship 'rebalancing' has led to a situation where there is basically only one or two ways to correctly fit each ship due to the extremely specific roles/bonuses/slots/etc. You can often guess how a ship is going to be fit now, there isn't a lot of guesswork except for in the case of T3s.
Players use a new tactic like Skynet? Completely nerf supers and carriers into the ground, remove delegation because whiny players need their risk adverse hands held instead of figuring out how to win on their own.
I have unsubbed 7 accounts so far with the gametime left on this last one expiring shortly.
Hope you guys like playing with less and less people. Sounds like you won't be using your stuff in the near future. If so, I promise to make use of it and offer myself as someone who will put your assets to good use. Please contract at your leisure and convenience. I've got 40 Billion in ISK and about 200 Billion in assets. I promise the day I quit, I will biomass ALL my characters with everything I own. No one gets a bloody thing... On another note CCP Falcons speech sounds like nothing more than a marketing effort. All the people who insist on crapping with the "adapt or quit" stupidity don't seem to understand things really aren't so great... Regardless of the empty quotation about EVE being the savior of the gaming world and the best game ever, etc, etc, etc, the fact is there are other games out there to play...I really like playing EVE...but it really seems like someone at CCP wants to drive it into the ground...and I don't understand why??? All true except biomassing without give away. Where do you think all yuor isk and assets go? Exactly all those go to CCP. Please don't do that. I'm fine with that. It WONT go to beggars who see me as nothing more than someone to use even at the end...
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1195
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Posted - 2015.04.02 01:07:21 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:but you believe some players are not looking at this new system and dreaming up their own cunning plans. thinking maybe this is our chance to take space, isn't that a bit narrow minded? I will give the short version because I am getting sick of typing this:
New SOV is going to be like FW, too easily flipped until people don't care. So, they will grab SOV until they get sick of being griefed and if SOV becomes worth holding again then they will be evicted.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Olivia Moon
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.04.02 03:02:45 -
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Sandbox indicates potential to shape the content inside the box, this is undeniable. EVE is, to a certain extent, a sandbox MMO, also undeniable.
Players are given potential to do things, according to EULA, and CCP's state of mind as an administrator. It's arguable that CCP has the power to ruin the sandbox. BUT the main contributor of things changes in the sandbox comes from the players. So, whenever you started worrying about the state of the game, do something. As a part of the universe, you really can make some move to shape the universe. It's not only about advertisement from the trailer or website, don't underestimate your potential to shape it.
If you want EVE to be great, you want more players? Be proactive in promoting the game around the internet then. Be friendly, be helpful in attracting new players to come and join the family.
CCP obviously is aware of the game, they have all the metrics and it's income-related. But as a player, you don't want the game shrinks. After all, do something. |
Merovee
Gorthaur Legion Imperium Mordor
162
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Posted - 2015.04.02 04:32:11 -
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EVE died with BoB, you're just starting to smell the corpse.
Seriously, we need to keep our panties on and our knives sharpen, the age of the coalitions is coming to an end.
(start building ships for the next campaign, I have believe someone will figure it out)
-½o-+ Sauron Of_Mordor
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