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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
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Posted - 2015.06.13 14:28:28 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote: See now you are just fudding... Null sec
Those goalposts must be tired.
Quote: If you care about inflation, then you would care about all those red crosses (red chevrons now) killed out there too.
I have advocated for a redesign of nullsec income for a while now. Liquid isk bounties are bad in every way possible, they need an LP system, and they it three years ago.
That doesn't mean highsec doesn't need nerfed, it does, and badly. You can try and deflect if you want, but don't be so obvious about it.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Pops Tickle
Tickle Industries
43
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Posted - 2015.06.13 14:38:34 -
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Actually I should be more specific myself You write "the community", without even realizing that obviously listening to all the different opinions within said community leads nowhere. Obviously you mean "my part of the community", yes, but not expressing what you mean again shows that you should not be part of a serious discussion (which this is not).
But the biggest issue is your inability to be objective. And as such the developers will not listen to you. Most of you are incapable of leading or participating in a serious discussion (again, which this is not). The Lady in the white dress is another good example of a person that should be ignored, because it is damn obvious that for her the whole matter is more personal than anything!
And then there is this constant lack of evidence and data. Lack of honesty. Lack of coherency. Lack of dignity and decency. I can only repeat myself: The devs are doing well not listening to any of you, as you lack the abilities to participate in a serious discussion.
And I will get proven again, by you people, because you are unable to leave out your personal issues. Taking any of this personally is enough evidence that your opinions should be not considered and your words simply ignored. Sadly "the community" seems to be incapable of doing anything for the greater good.
And as such I will simply exit this thread and let the children here keep pretending they matter.
Good night.
CCP Rise wrote:
"We have tried and tried to validate the myth that griefing has a pronounced affect on new players
- we have failed."
Source
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11373
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Posted - 2015.06.13 14:43:08 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Pops Tickle wrote:I must say that I am glad the developers do not listen to any of these threads and actually have started figuring out what is true and what isn't. And that is all which matters. What is true is that EVE would die without highsec PvErs. And not die as in "oh, looks like this is getting empty", but die as in "do you remember your last paychek? Well, it was the last one, truly".
This is a lie (along with being a pitiful "see, I'm important" plea). For this to be true there would have ot be no way to rat, no way to mine, and no way to manufacture in low sec and npc null.
The fact that CONCORD exists (causing people to operate in high sec because it's plum stupid to operate elsewhere) doesn't mean it could not happen elsewhere, and it's funny to see the emotional ego propping some people have to do to make themselves feel important and needed.
The truth is that the game 'needs' none of us as far as in game activity is involved because as long as there are players and space ships, someone will fill the vacuum.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11373
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Posted - 2015.06.13 14:45:58 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:I absolutely love the typical and common psychopaths who flocked to the "games defense" by proclaiming eve is a carebear park and ganking should be allowed at all times to all people as soon as someone brings up the attitude and atmosphere of the community.
In all honesty the person making the claim about the community was just proved correct by the premature jump to defend in-game ganking tactics as a response to a general call for community civility. I am pretty sure the community atmosphere in question was not geared towards a specific in-game activity but rather the general aura of hate, snide and rude communication we see on the forums and in various chat channels.
But please, continue the hyperactive crusade to defend something that you all feel is under assault but has little to do with the discussions at hand.
PS. Gankers remind me of the far conservative right bible thumpers from the States. Constantly thinking Christmas and Jesus is under attack over there when in reality they are actually running the country and forcing non-Christians to follow their morals. The perceived attack on Christianity and the perceived attack on pvp are extremely parallel.
This post right here tells you everything about this posters world view. I suspect that a great many of the 'bleeding heart' types that play the game and yet experience all this friction with and against the game would subscribe to the same world view. Mainly because the people who complain about things in a game probably complain about the same nonsense in real life while holding on to the same victim mentality.
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Pops Tickle
Tickle Industries
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Posted - 2015.06.13 14:52:37 -
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Oh and I apologize for putting everyone into the same bucket. Of course there are a few in here who are capable of not twisting reality; not imagining facts; of keeping outside their personal/psychogical issues.
CCP Rise wrote:
"We have tried and tried to validate the myth that griefing has a pronounced affect on new players
- we have failed."
Source
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
148
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Posted - 2015.06.13 15:18:55 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:I absolutely love the typical and common psychopaths who flocked to the "games defense" by proclaiming eve is a carebear park and ganking should be allowed at all times to all people as soon as someone brings up the attitude and atmosphere of the community.
In all honesty the person making the claim about the community was just proved correct by the premature jump to defend in-game ganking tactics as a response to a general call for community civility. I am pretty sure the community atmosphere in question was not geared towards a specific in-game activity but rather the general aura of hate, snide and rude communication we see on the forums and in various chat channels.
But please, continue the hyperactive crusade to defend something that you all feel is under assault but has little to do with the discussions at hand.
PS. Gankers remind me of the far conservative right bible thumpers from the States. Constantly thinking Christmas and Jesus is under attack over there when in reality they are actually running the country and forcing non-Christians to follow their morals. The perceived attack on Christianity and the perceived attack on pvp are extremely parallel. This post right here tells you everything about this posters world view. I suspect that a great many of the 'bleeding heart' types that play the game and yet experience all this friction with and against the game would subscribe to the same world view. Mainly because the people who complain about things in a game probably complain about the same nonsense in real life while holding on to the same victim mentality.
You are making the giant assumption that I was pro one side and con the other. I didn't say anything about what should be, or if I like what is or isn't. I said you and your friends were making the assumption that "The community is mean" is the same thing as "Gankers are bad"
Again, you just proved my point, acting like a fanatical religious lot with the perceived slight of being diminished in this game/world. Stop proving my points if you don't like what I post. And please don't pretend to know for one second what my personal feelings are on a subject unless I spell them out here for all.
Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3625
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Posted - 2015.06.13 15:24:23 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: What is true is that EVE would die without highsec PvErs.
Still wrong. You don't consume anything, compared to the rest of the game, and the economy lives and breathes are consumption and destruction of assets. You already got put in your place by Malcanis about this, you probably shouldn't try repeating this falsehood.
How many assets do you owe? And how many assets are stored in cancelled accounts? How many supercapitals never log in? How many ships from past doctrines are now collecting dust? And how much ISK do you owe?
Look at the forums. There's a thread about a guy who was scammed of 100 billion ISK, LIQUID ISK. What was that money doing other than sit in a wallet? What will do now that it has changed hands?
Think of every unsubbed player... trillions upon trillions worth of assets which exist only as a entry in a database. Would you bet how much of all the wealth and assets ever generated by EVE are not ingame but just stored in the servers? 80%? 90%?
And now that we've established where does the wealth go...
... my point was that highsec PvErs are 50% of the subscribers. Without their money CCP would be in quite a tough place.
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
13409
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Posted - 2015.06.13 17:12:05 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: *snipped out the silly ranting*
... my point was that highsec PvErs are 50% of the subscribers.
And you're completely wrong.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23917
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Posted - 2015.06.13 17:39:17 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:... my point was that highsec PvErs are 50% of the subscribers. Without their money CCP would be in quite a tough place. Didn't you claim it was 62% a while back?, You couldn't prove that claim and you can't prove this claim either.
Still waiting on your in depth analysis and presentation supporting your claims, hoping for graphs too.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
148
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Posted - 2015.06.13 18:37:30 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:... my point was that highsec PvErs are 50% of the subscribers. Without their money CCP would be in quite a tough place. Didn't you claim it was 62% a while back?, You couldn't prove that claim and you can't prove this claim either. Still waiting on your in depth analysis and presentation supporting your claims, hoping for graphs too.
No, I claimed there was 70% and CCP says you should STFU and research before you blap your lips.
http://archive.evenews24.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/04.jpg
Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.06.13 18:41:14 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:... my point was that highsec PvErs are 50% of the subscribers. Without their money CCP would be in quite a tough place. Didn't you claim it was 62% a while back?, You couldn't prove that claim and you can't prove this claim either. Still waiting on your in depth analysis and presentation supporting your claims, hoping for graphs too.
Oh my, aren't you thick? The evidence hs been provided two, or maybe three times already.
Here you have it straight from the horse's mouth:
https://youtu.be/gJlNGtXts_E?t=21m20s
"Professionals" (do everything): 30% "Entrepreneurs" (do everything but PvP): 25% "Agressors" (only do PvP and socialize): 8% "Socials" (they mostly socialize and skillqueue online): 12% "Traditionals" (They PvE and play EVE as a traditional MMO): 25%
25% +25% =50% of players who mostly do PvE. +12% who mostly chat and skillqueue online, that's 62% of players who barely PvP.
Bonus, on where are characters logged in:
https://twitter.com/CCPQuant/status/590854488405192704/photo/1
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
516
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Posted - 2015.06.13 18:43:18 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: What is true is that EVE would die without highsec PvErs.
Still wrong. You don't consume anything, compared to the rest of the game, and the economy lives and breathes are consumption and destruction of assets. You already got put in your place by Malcanis about this, you probably shouldn't try repeating this falsehood.
They do provide the loot & salvage, though, as well as LP store merchandise.
All parts of the whole are important.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. G˙+
Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3628
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Posted - 2015.06.13 18:47:12 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: *snipped out the silly ranting*
... my point was that highsec PvErs are 50% of the subscribers.
And you're completely wrong.
Yes, certainly CCP doesn't knows what do their subscribers do with their accounts. When they stated at Fanfest 2015 than 50% of their customers barely PvP and just PvE they were totally wrong. They should have asked you, probably.
(Anyway, knowing and acting accordingly to knowledge are very different things, specially when there's a cognitive dissonance between what CCP thinks about their game and player base, and what reality stubbornly tells to CCP)
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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Aza Ebanu
HC - Serenity
101
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Posted - 2015.06.13 18:50:32 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:... my point was that highsec PvErs are 50% of the subscribers. Without their money CCP would be in quite a tough place. Didn't you claim it was 62% a while back?, You couldn't prove that claim and you can't prove this claim either. Still waiting on your in depth analysis and presentation supporting your claims, hoping for graphs too. Oh my, aren't you slow learning? The evidence hs been provided two, or maybe three times already. Here you have it straight from the horse's mouth: https://youtu.be/gJlNGtXts_E?t=21m20s "Professionals" (do everything): 30% "Entrepreneurs" (do everything but PvP): 25% "Agressors" (only do PvP and socialize): 8% "Socials" (they mostly socialize and skillqueue online): 12% "Traditionals" (They PvE and play EVE as a traditional MMO): 25% 25% +25% =50% of players who mostly do PvE. +12% who mostly chat and skillqueue online, that's 62% of players who barely PvP. Bonus, on where are characters logged in: https://twitter.com/CCPQuant/status/590854488405192704/photo/1
The best post in this thread hands down. The truth still hurts as seen by all those who are still arguing with the data.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
148
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Posted - 2015.06.13 18:51:32 -
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GankYou wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: What is true is that EVE would die without highsec PvErs.
Still wrong. You don't consume anything, compared to the rest of the game, and the economy lives and breathes are consumption and destruction of assets. You already got put in your place by Malcanis about this, you probably shouldn't try repeating this falsehood. They do provide the loot & salvage, though, as well as LP store merchandise. All parts of the whole are important.
And don't forget that according to CCP, 2012 and 2013 stats shows Production centered in High Sec and Destruction fairly sparse throughout 0.0 with the hottest areas of fighting in the game in... High Sec
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/65749/1/productionVsDestruction_2013.png
Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
13409
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Posted - 2015.06.13 18:54:53 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:GankYou wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: What is true is that EVE would die without highsec PvErs.
Still wrong. You don't consume anything, compared to the rest of the game, and the economy lives and breathes are consumption and destruction of assets. You already got put in your place by Malcanis about this, you probably shouldn't try repeating this falsehood. They do provide the loot & salvage, though, as well as LP store merchandise. All parts of the whole are important. And don't forget that according to CCP, 2012 and 2013 stats shows Production centered in High Sec and Destruction fairly sparse throughout 0.0 with the hottest areas of fighting in the game in... High Sec http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/65749/1/productionVsDestruction_2013.png
Quoting that isn't your best idea. It shows that, barring a handful of systems, mostly trade hubs, highsec wouldn't even really be on that map. It also shows the need to force production out of highsec.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
151
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Posted - 2015.06.13 18:56:35 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:GankYou wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: What is true is that EVE would die without highsec PvErs.
Still wrong. You don't consume anything, compared to the rest of the game, and the economy lives and breathes are consumption and destruction of assets. You already got put in your place by Malcanis about this, you probably shouldn't try repeating this falsehood. They do provide the loot & salvage, though, as well as LP store merchandise. All parts of the whole are important. And don't forget that according to CCP, 2012 and 2013 stats shows Production centered in High Sec and Destruction fairly sparse throughout 0.0 with the hottest areas of fighting in the game in... High Sec http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/65749/1/productionVsDestruction_2013.png Quoting that isn't your best idea. It shows that, barring a handful of systems, mostly trade hubs, highsec wouldn't even really be on that map.
Then you don't know how to read it. There are 6 systems in High Sec that have more total isk killed than any system in 0.0
There is one system in High Sec that has more isk killed than any 6 systems combined in 0.0
Now, you want to claim there isn't a need for the single most active part of space in the game? Go ahead. But people are going to call you out on it.
Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
13409
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Posted - 2015.06.13 18:58:27 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: 25% +25% =50% of players who mostly do PvE.
As usual, you resort to total dishonesty.
PvE does not include industry, which the "entrepreneur" category belongs to.
I have one market character for every account I have. Moreso in scouts. According to you, that means that I'm a wretched carebear like you? Get over yourself.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
13409
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Posted - 2015.06.13 18:59:42 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote: Then you don't know how to read it. There are 6 systems in High Sec that have more total isk killed than any system in 0.0
Your point being? Turns out trade hubs and chokepoints are dangerous, and the rest of highsec absolutely isn't. Shock and amazement, apparently.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23920
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Posted - 2015.06.13 19:00:15 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:... my point was that highsec PvErs are 50% of the subscribers. Without their money CCP would be in quite a tough place. Didn't you claim it was 62% a while back?, You couldn't prove that claim and you can't prove this claim either. Still waiting on your in depth analysis and presentation supporting your claims, hoping for graphs too. Oh my, aren't you slow learning? The evidence hs been provided two, or maybe three times already. Here you have it straight from the horse's mouth: https://youtu.be/gJlNGtXts_E?t=21m20s "Professionals" (do everything): 30% "Entrepreneurs" (do everything but PvP): 25% "Agressors" (only do PvP and socialize): 8% "Socials" (they mostly socialize and skillqueue online): 12% "Traditionals" (They PvE and play EVE as a traditional MMO): 25% 25% +25% =50% of players who mostly do PvE. +12% who mostly chat and skillqueue online, that's 62% of players who barely PvP. Bonus, on where are characters logged in: https://twitter.com/CCPQuant/status/590854488405192704/photo/1 That presentation is based on characters, not unique players. 2 very different things and something to consider with most players having at least one alt that specialises in areas outside of their main playstyle.
Looking at the presentation by CCP Quant I see that some of the entrepreneurs you say do everything but PvP indulge in some very PvP like activities, such as tackling and kill assists; as do some of the social group, some the traditionals are also involved in tackling.
Your claims have been disputed elsewhere in this thread. You're interpreting the data subjectively and to compound it all, the data actually refers to something else entirely.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11377
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Posted - 2015.06.13 19:01:16 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:... my point was that highsec PvErs are 50% of the subscribers. Without their money CCP would be in quite a tough place. Didn't you claim it was 62% a while back?, You couldn't prove that claim and you can't prove this claim either. Still waiting on your in depth analysis and presentation supporting your claims, hoping for graphs too. Oh my, aren't you slow learning? The evidence hs been provided two, or maybe three times already. Here you have it straight from the horse's mouth: https://youtu.be/gJlNGtXts_E?t=21m20s "Professionals" (do everything): 30% "Entrepreneurs" (do everything but PvP): 25% "Agressors" (only do PvP and socialize): 8% "Socials" (they mostly socialize and skillqueue online): 12% "Traditionals" (They PvE and play EVE as a traditional MMO): 25% 25% +25% =50% of players who mostly do PvE. +12% who mostly chat and skillqueue online, that's 62% of players who barely PvP. Bonus, on where are characters logged in: https://twitter.com/CCPQuant/status/590854488405192704/photo/1
So you think that to PVE only, you have to live in high sec?
You don't have an honest bone in your body, do you?
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
151
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Posted - 2015.06.13 19:02:08 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:... my point was that highsec PvErs are 50% of the subscribers. Without their money CCP would be in quite a tough place. Didn't you claim it was 62% a while back?, You couldn't prove that claim and you can't prove this claim either. Still waiting on your in depth analysis and presentation supporting your claims, hoping for graphs too. Oh my, aren't you slow learning? The evidence hs been provided two, or maybe three times already. Here you have it straight from the horse's mouth: https://youtu.be/gJlNGtXts_E?t=21m20s "Professionals" (do everything): 30% "Entrepreneurs" (do everything but PvP): 25% "Agressors" (only do PvP and socialize): 8% "Socials" (they mostly socialize and skillqueue online): 12% "Traditionals" (They PvE and play EVE as a traditional MMO): 25% 25% +25% =50% of players who mostly do PvE. +12% who mostly chat and skillqueue online, that's 62% of players who barely PvP. Bonus, on where are characters logged in: https://twitter.com/CCPQuant/status/590854488405192704/photo/1 That presentation is based on characters, not unique players. 2 very different things and something to consider with most players having at least one alt that specialises in areas outside of their main playstyle. Looking at the presentation by CCP Quant I see that some of the entrepreneurs you say do everything but PvP indulge in some very PvP like activities, such as tackling and kill assists; as do some of the social group, some the traditionals are also involved in tackling. Your claims have been disputed elsewhere in this thread, the data you're saying supports them actually refers to something else entirely.
So you are arguing that high sec is not essential because people do their activities there but they actually call 0.0 their home?!
So if you removed high sec they would then what? Just do the things they do in 0.0? There is a reason that Character is in high sec, but you are ignoring that.
Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
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Aza Ebanu
HC - Serenity
101
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Posted - 2015.06.13 19:02:24 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: 25% +25% =50% of players who mostly do PvE.
As usual, you resort to total dishonesty. PvE does not include industry, which the "entrepreneur" category belongs to. I have one market character for every account I have. Moreso in scouts. According to you, that means that I'm a wretched carebear like you? Get over yourself. Industry is PVP. CCP Rise counted the activity as a social experience that retains players. Besides look at all the mining barges, freighters, and industrial ships on killboards. |
Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
151
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Posted - 2015.06.13 19:04:17 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:... my point was that highsec PvErs are 50% of the subscribers. Without their money CCP would be in quite a tough place. Didn't you claim it was 62% a while back?, You couldn't prove that claim and you can't prove this claim either. Still waiting on your in depth analysis and presentation supporting your claims, hoping for graphs too. Oh my, aren't you slow learning? The evidence hs been provided two, or maybe three times already. Here you have it straight from the horse's mouth: https://youtu.be/gJlNGtXts_E?t=21m20s "Professionals" (do everything): 30% "Entrepreneurs" (do everything but PvP): 25% "Agressors" (only do PvP and socialize): 8% "Socials" (they mostly socialize and skillqueue online): 12% "Traditionals" (They PvE and play EVE as a traditional MMO): 25% 25% +25% =50% of players who mostly do PvE. +12% who mostly chat and skillqueue online, that's 62% of players who barely PvP. Bonus, on where are characters logged in: https://twitter.com/CCPQuant/status/590854488405192704/photo/1 So you think that to PVE only, you have to live in high sec? You don't have an honest bone in your body, do you?
There is nothing more dishonest then a well spoken individual who takes things that are not present and makes them so for their own justifications.
No where did that person make that claim. You are very skilled at forum-fu but you take things out of context when they suit you and blatantly lie about intent and make connections not-valid when you need to rebuff. Try arguing the facts instead of the person.
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Aza Ebanu
HC - Serenity
101
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Posted - 2015.06.13 19:04:32 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
So you think that to PVE only, you have to live in High sec?
You don't have an honest bone in your body, do you?
So you think that to PVP only, you have to live in Null/low sec?
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
13409
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Posted - 2015.06.13 19:05:41 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote: So you are arguing that high sec is not essential because people do their activities there but they actually call 0.0 their home?!
No, I'm claiming that highsec is not anywhere near as essential as you puffed up, chestbeating carebears are trying to claim with your deliberately misrepresented stats.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Aza Ebanu
HC - Serenity
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Posted - 2015.06.13 19:08:23 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote: So you are arguing that high sec is not essential because people do their activities there but they actually call 0.0 their home?!
No, I'm claiming that highsec is not anywhere near as essential as you puffed up, chestbeating carebears are trying to claim with your deliberately misrepresented stats. Sure it is. It is where new players start. Where would new players start if Empire sec did not exist? It is essential to game design. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23921
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Posted - 2015.06.13 19:12:48 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:So you are arguing that high sec is not essential because people do their activities there but they actually call 0.0 their home?!
So if you removed high sec they would then what? Just do the things they do in 0.0? There is a reason that Character is in high sec, but you are ignoring that. WatGäķ?
I've argued for no such thing. I live in hisec, I fall into the entrepreneurs group that makes up 25% of characters.
I'm disputing Icouldchucks interpretation of the data that is erroneously being used to support a farcical claim, not claiming that hisec is irrelevant.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
13409
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Posted - 2015.06.13 19:14:18 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote: Sure it is. It is where new players start. Where would new players start if Empire sec did not exist?
A separate cluster, and when they finished their tutorial they'd be zoned into their faction's starting area in New Eden itself.
Quote: It is essential to game design.
Keep telling yourself that. It might be essential to you, but it's not essential to the game. In fact an argument can be made that it's current state is actively bad for the game.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
151
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Posted - 2015.06.13 19:20:38 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:So you are arguing that high sec is not essential because people do their activities there but they actually call 0.0 their home?!
So if you removed high sec they would then what? Just do the things they do in 0.0? There is a reason that Character is in high sec, but you are ignoring that. WatGäķ?I've argued for no such thing. I live in hisec, I fall into the entrepreneurs group that makes up 25% of characters. I'm disputing Icouldchucks interpretation of the data that is erroneously being used to support a farcical claim, not claiming that hisec is irrelevant. edit ~ Market McSelling Alt wrote:There is nothing more dishonest then a well spoken individual who takes things that are not present and makes them so for their own justifications.
talk about hoisting yourself by your own petard.
You dispute his data because you assumed he meant all of those groups belong to high-sec. His point was that all of those groups belong to PVE and he would be correct. It is the con-high sec side that claims highsec is full of PVE, so using their own logic all the PVE happens there.
However by your own anecdotal evidence you would have helped prove his point because you are in high sec and you do manufacture.
Regardless, I shouldn't have made that assumption about your intent, and I am big enough to admit that.
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