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Commander Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
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Posted - 2015.06.29 06:08:19 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:I stand by my original point: Sov is a lost cause. And Fozziesov is going to be an unmitigated disaster. But most of the devs are so isolated in their own little bubbles they can't see the forrest for the trees.
Gosh, hope so!
So they can 'tweak it'.
Unlike the current sov, which they threw in the towel 7 years ago.
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16598
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Posted - 2015.06.29 08:14:11 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:Sov, is getting a lot of resources put into it, just not in the right balance. Eve is supposed to be a sandbox (tactics, unknowns, strategy) but when it comes to sov, it is being redesigned and pretty much resembles, a one size fits all rack of tracksuits. I'm actually sorry I joined Duality for the "testing" of the new mechanics, as it confirmed my worst thoughts about Fozziesov. I stand by my original point: Sov is a lost cause. And Fozziesov is going to be an unmitigated disaster. But most of the devs are so isolated in their own little bubbles they can't see the forrest for the trees.
If sov is already a "lost cause", how can fozziesov be "an unmitigated disaster"?
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2015.06.29 09:25:18 -
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Malcanis wrote:
If sov is already a "lost cause", how can fozziesov be "an unmitigated disaster"?
You haven-¦t played Factional Warfare for even few months orbiting 10/15/20 minutes timers, I assume?
It gets boring pretty quick. Ok I can leave my char in FW orbit afk timers in cheapest possible frig and make isk with my laptop while I play ED on my desktop, but I guess that is not the point of FW (or should be point of new sov).
Now make it 40 minutes, and take away all the LP and isk out of it, maybe even with less fights (pretty certain some people will just wait enemy to leave and then roll back timers, or run other timers in other place/systems)... |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16598
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Posted - 2015.06.29 09:35:49 -
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I've played dominion sov warfare for 5 years. You don't get to tell me anything is boring.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Sgt Ocker
Military Bustards FUBAR.
625
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Posted - 2015.06.29 10:25:21 -
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Malcanis wrote:I've played dominion sov warfare for 5 years. You don't get to tell me anything is boring. You think what you've been doing for the last 5 years was boring - Your in for a shock.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
673
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Posted - 2015.06.29 11:15:22 -
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Shock, horror, HEADLIES in all CAPS! It's the only way to be sure.
July is just around the corner, just two weeks.
Just two weeks and I'll be a trillionaire.
Just keeeding. Amusing thread, really - its whole premise is based around a subjective opinion of one pilot at best.
Malcanis wrote: i) CCP hit us with a giant meteor - a set of game changes so overwhelming that nearly all the accumulated doctrines, assets, knowledge and skill becomes useless. Basically they'd have to change EVE into EVE II, but you could interpret fozziesov as an attempt to break up the 0.0 meta in this way.
A most excellent analogy.
/me is Evolving
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Svenja Timofeyeva wrote:Lim Yoona wrote:Friday night US Prime = 19,000 online When that in relevant EVE time? If everyone understood we all share one time, no one would ever need to convert around anymore. EVE's prime time it's around 18:00-19:00 on sundays, when night Russian, evening European and noon American meet.
It is also displaced around half an hour further on the Weekend.
EVE is the most active around the end of Autum and during the Winter - It is too cold for Russians to stay outside, so they play EVE.
J/k J/k
...And they all crave one thing - ISK. ¤
[WTS] ME10 / TE20 BPOs: from Battlecruisers & Battleships to Freighters, Cap & T2 Components, Barges and Orca
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11623
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Posted - 2015.06.29 13:43:35 -
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Malcanis wrote:EVE is 12 years old now. As far as MMOs are concerned, the community is sailing through uncharted waters, because any other active MMO of comparable age is basically PvE. Back in EVE's dim, distant pre-cambrian era, any batshit insane organisational model and leadership could find itself a niche in the game's ecology. Now the game is densely populated with people who can
(1) Fly just about any ship with any weapon (2) Have seen what happens when those batshit orgs and dumbkopf leaders run things (3) Join orgs that are very well co-ordinated and run by people who know what the **** they're doing.
Natural result: most of EVE's ecological niches are filled with damb great tyrannosaurs, and the ones that aren't are infested with velociraptors. No room for small furry creatures to emerge in the daylight. Meaning that any new entrants into the environment are going to have to evolve right through 12 years of learning and progress before they're going to be competitive. There only only two general classes of outcomes to this situation:
i) CCP hit us with a giant meteor - a set of game changes so overwhelming that nearly all the accumulated doctrines, assets, knowledge and skill becomes useless. Basically they'd have to change EVE into EVE II, but you could interpret fozziesov as an attempt to break up the 0.0 meta in this way.
ii) The only hope for any substantial change on the map comes from when an existing organisation dies and the component parts bud off to form one of more new entities. hopefully hoovering up some starry-eyed newbies while they do so.
Class (i) outcomes naturally alienate a lot of whiny entitled veteran players
Class (ii) outcomes naturally alienate a lot of whiny entitled new players
CCP meet Rock and his friend Hard Place. You'll be spending the rest of EVE's existence in the company of these two.
Why does this post make me want to see Jurassic Park?
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3754
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Posted - 2015.06.29 13:44:50 -
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TMC & Ripard Teg on the matter:
https://www.themittani.com/news/eve-waiting-look-login-numbers
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/3bf0ro/eves_loggedin_player_numbers/
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
335
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Posted - 2015.06.29 13:59:15 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:And that trend started right after "the largest battle online ever" and the losing side said "**** this" and quit. That's what I see as a big problem in Eve -- winning in SOV null mainly involves crushing your opponents will to log in. After the alliance is destroyed, Eve loses big in the number of people playing the game. |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
335
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Posted - 2015.06.29 14:07:42 -
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The title of this thread is "The Shrinking Sandbox", but the sandbox isn't really shrinking - just the number of players in the sandbox. If the number dwindle further will we get to the point to where is seems like New Eden is empty while you're flying around? It seems like that would further decrease the player base.
What if the size of New Eden expanded or contracted based on player numbers for the month? Maybe through the allocation of resources to encourage consolidation rather than blocking off space? |
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Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution The Initiative.
438
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Posted - 2015.06.29 14:55:30 -
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In most other games. The game ends once there is a winner.
Lets face it. Goons "won" the nullsec game long ago, the game is effectively over.
Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16607
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Posted - 2015.06.29 16:35:48 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Malcanis wrote:EVE is 12 years old now. As far as MMOs are concerned, the community is sailing through uncharted waters, because any other active MMO of comparable age is basically PvE. Back in EVE's dim, distant pre-cambrian era, any batshit insane organisational model and leadership could find itself a niche in the game's ecology. Now the game is densely populated with people who can
(1) Fly just about any ship with any weapon (2) Have seen what happens when those batshit orgs and dumbkopf leaders run things (3) Join orgs that are very well co-ordinated and run by people who know what the **** they're doing.
Natural result: most of EVE's ecological niches are filled with damb great tyrannosaurs, and the ones that aren't are infested with velociraptors. No room for small furry creatures to emerge in the daylight. Meaning that any new entrants into the environment are going to have to evolve right through 12 years of learning and progress before they're going to be competitive. There only only two general classes of outcomes to this situation:
i) CCP hit us with a giant meteor - a set of game changes so overwhelming that nearly all the accumulated doctrines, assets, knowledge and skill becomes useless. Basically they'd have to change EVE into EVE II, but you could interpret fozziesov as an attempt to break up the 0.0 meta in this way.
ii) The only hope for any substantial change on the map comes from when an existing organisation dies and the component parts bud off to form one of more new entities. hopefully hoovering up some starry-eyed newbies while they do so.
Class (i) outcomes naturally alienate a lot of whiny entitled veteran players
Class (ii) outcomes naturally alienate a lot of whiny entitled new players
CCP meet Rock and his friend Hard Place. You'll be spending the rest of EVE's existence in the company of these two.
Why does this post make me want to see Jurassic Park?
Because dinosaurs are awesome!
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16607
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Posted - 2015.06.29 16:36:45 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:The title of this thread is "The Shrinking Sandbox", but the sandbox isn't really shrinking - just the number of players in the sandbox. If the number dwindle further will we get to the point to where is seems like New Eden is empty while you're flying around? It seems like that would further decrease the player base.
What if the size of New Eden expanded or contracted based on player numbers for the month? Maybe through the allocation of resources to encourage consolidation rather than blocking off space?
The numbers have shrunk to being no more than 20% higher than when I started EVE and loved it.
Just saying.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16607
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Posted - 2015.06.29 16:37:41 -
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People were saying that EVE was dying back then too. I was kind of nervous about wasting -ú37.99 on a 3 month sub.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11624
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Posted - 2015.06.29 17:30:29 -
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Malcanis wrote:People were saying that EVE was dying back then too. I was kind of nervous about wasting -ú37.99 on a 3 month sub.
Same here, I started playing in June of 2007 and the guy that introduced me to the game would always say (when talking about plans for his character) "well, in plan on doing X if EVE is still going next year" lol.
All "EVE is dying" talk is just the video game manifestation of real world Doomsday Anxiety. Now when i post this quote, most of you will know instantly who I thought about when I read it. Not trying to pick on the dude, but it's the truth lol: Quote:This GÇ£Terror Management TheoryGÇ¥ sprouts from psychologist Ernest BeckerGÇÖs Pulitzer-winning GÇ£The Denial of Death,GÇ¥ which posits that civilization is humanityGÇÖs answer to the threat of impending mortality.
Greenberg, one of the theoryGÇÖs founders, whose birthday happens to fall on December 21st, explains that humans, like other animals, have a basic survival mechanism wired into us; yet unlike other animals, we are aware of our eventual death. To cope, we devise elaborate cultural traditions and worldviews that lend us a sense of symbolic permanence. From this vantage point, apocalypticism might be equivalent to scratching a nagging itch caused by our looming mortality.
Armageddons tend to attract certain people GÇô usually those who feel marginalized GÇô as an expression of discontent and hope for a better future, says Greenberg. To religious Doomsdayers, an apocalypse would bring a paradise to Earth or their soul forever to heaven. To secular Doomsdayers, preparing for the worst is a way to distract from the anxiety and vulnerability of daily life. After all if youGÇÖre doing something, at least youGÇÖre not helpless.
....damn you PVPrs, the 62% will win one day!!! |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1263
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Posted - 2015.06.29 17:51:04 -
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Quote:All "EVE is dying" talk is just the video game manifestation of real world Doomsday Anxiety. Now when i post this quote, most of you will know instantly who I thought about when I read it. Not trying to pick on the dude, but it's the truth lol:
I generally like your posts. I started on 12/31/2008. There are less players on the server today than then. I have to spend as much time running level 4's in a Marauder to earn a PLEX now as I had to spend mining in a burst then. **** that. WoW is literally more fun these days.
You can build a good case that its not going to die any time soon, but if you say it inst crippled I feel you are being intellectually dishonest.
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
303
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Posted - 2015.06.29 18:00:00 -
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Speedkermit Damo wrote:Lets face it. Goons "won" the nullsec game long ago, the game is effectively over. Didn't they rename themselves to Imperium? Their leaders suddenly have breathing problems? Did you hear about my Yamabushi VIIE? No? It's the fastest tengu this side of cluster. No bubbles can catch it.
Wait to the end of the year before you announce End of EvE.
"-What are you doing?"
"-Docking."(...)
-"It's not possible"
-"No, it's necessary."
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11624
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Posted - 2015.06.29 18:13:38 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Quote:All "EVE is dying" talk is just the video game manifestation of real world Doomsday Anxiety. Now when i post this quote, most of you will know instantly who I thought about when I read it. Not trying to pick on the dude, but it's the truth lol: I generally like your posts... I started on 12/31/2008. There are less players on the server today than then. I have to spend as much time running level 4's in a Marauder to earn a PLEX now as I had to spend mining in a burst then. **** that. WoW is literally more fun these days. You can build a good case that its not going to die any time soon, but if you say it inst crippled I feel you are being intellectually dishonest.
Feel as you like, it's not crippled, you are simply confusing your own feelings towards the game with the games general situation. You are not alone, lots of people do that, and in doing so they imagine crisis where none really exists. I love EVE, I have no interest in seeing it die or CCP go out of business, If i thought that was happening I'd be concerned...
But I've lived through too many years of "EVE is Dying" to respond to that particular wolf cry anymore.
You also have to notice that some of the same people pointing at pcu numbers and screaming "EVE is dying" are the same people who said the same things when the PCU numbers were going up. In addition to Doomsday anxiety, there is this feeling among the 'perpetually marginalized' player who never like core aspects of EVE and wanted 'change' that now is the time to seize on the fact of lower pcu numbers to manipulate CCP to develop in a direction they want and have always wanted. Raw opportunism at it's finest.
It not nearly as bad in game as forum people say. If a person never played EVE came to this forum he'd think no one is playing EVE at all. I jsut returned to null sec and i've had to turn Jabber off, all the pinging about fights and stuff is annoying.
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Cyborg Girl86
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
97
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Posted - 2015.06.29 18:58:52 -
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"EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying..."
Omg ppl really? If you're so unhappy with the game quit already and go back to WoW or something...and give me all of your stuff
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
6248
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Posted - 2015.06.29 21:28:40 -
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Sisohiv wrote:EVE by the numbers. What numbers?
As for the Sandbox, it was never a sandbox. Even look at CCP social media. They don't showcase building in EVE. They showcase lie, cheat, steal, backstab and destroy.
The most recent being a 600 billion ISK corp theft that was '6 months in the making'. Ignore the years and players it took to build it. The most attention getting part about playing in a sand box has never been about who is building the fanciest sand castle. It's always been about who is busy kicking them over. That is why stories like that are showcased in the media.
An EVE corp earning 600 billion ISK isn't remotely newsworthy, and never will be. Getting it stolen is.
For those professing that EVE can't be a sand box because it has rules limiting what you can do and when you can do it in some cases... you are missing something important in your analogies.
All sand boxes have certain minimal boundaries. Primarily because a sandbox completely without boundaries is actually nothing more than a barren desert... with no notable features or points of interest.
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Marsha Mallow
2280
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Posted - 2015.06.29 22:09:19 -
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Cyborg Girl86 wrote:This thread has gone on for way too long now. There's no point locking it. Another thread will just pop up within days.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: Teg has been banging that drum for years. Originally on his blog he tried to campaign for the removal of 'reavers' because apparently the monstrous sociopaths are scaring away the cuddly potentials. Still sounds like bollocks to me. Isachunk isn't the least bit cuddly. Now he just seems to be bitter towards CCP over pretty much everything.
Having said that, the graphs that people keep creating are interesting. Sometimes they are annotated with major events (B-R/This is EvE trailer etc). I've yet to see one matched to major nullsec campaigns, or perhaps more importantly, an attempt to correlate dips to the implosion of large alliances/coalitions. Such a shame the QENs stopped being produced - there's masses of info in there that can be used to track ingame activity.
The r/eve metrics show a steady increase in people subscribed (the Total Subscribers graph). To put that in perspective, here is the r/gameofthrones stats. Considering how talked about GoT is on social media, EvE having 10% of their subs on reddit doesn't seem too shabby. One thing that is noticeable even when PCU numbers dip people are still rambling on about EvE on various social media sites (I wonder if the rambling intensifies to correspond with the PCU). Even when people aren't actively logged into the client, or subbed for that matter, they seem pretty engaged with the wider community. That doesn't fit all that well into these Armageddon narratives, and neither does the level of engagement apparent on reddit from devs.
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: TO THE PITCHFORKMOBILE!
Benny Ohu wrote: fire up the argument calibrators set phasers to outraged overheat keyboards reinforce the thread
ISD Ezwal wrote: Nope, no one will get banned for 'rubbing'
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2015.06.29 22:11:56 -
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Ranger 1 wrote: The most attention getting part about playing in a sand box has never been about who is building the fanciest sand castle. It's always been about who is busy kicking them over. That is why stories like that are showcased in the media.
An EVE corp earning 600 billion ISK isn't remotely newsworthy, and never will be. Getting it stolen is.
Agree. That one is able to interact with anothers sand castle is distinguishing feature of Eve Online. |
Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
333
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Posted - 2015.06.30 00:41:49 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Cyborg Girl86 wrote:This thread has gone on for way too long now. There's no point locking it. Another thread will just pop up within days. Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: Teg has been banging that drum for years. Originally on his blog he tried to campaign for the removal of 'reavers' because apparently the monstrous sociopaths are scaring away the cuddly potentials. Still sounds like bollocks to me. Isachunk isn't the least bit cuddly. Now he just seems to be bitter towards CCP over pretty much everything. Having said that, the graphs that people keep creating are interesting. Sometimes they are annotated with major events (B-R/This is EvE trailer etc). I've yet to see one matched to major nullsec campaigns, or perhaps more importantly, an attempt to correlate dips to the implosion of large alliances/coalitions. Such a shame the QENs stopped being produced - there's masses of info in there that can be used to track ingame activity. The r/eve metrics show a steady increase in people subscribed (the Total Subscribers graph). To put that in perspective, here is the r/gameofthrones stats. Considering how talked about GoT is on social media, EvE having 10% of their subs on reddit doesn't seem too shabby. One thing that is noticeable even when PCU numbers dip people are still rambling on about EvE on various social media sites (I wonder if the rambling intensifies to correspond with the PCU). Even when people aren't actively logged into the client, or subbed for that matter, they seem pretty engaged with the wider community. That doesn't fit all that well into these Armageddon narratives, and neither does the level of engagement apparent on reddit from devs.
Did you ever stop and think the reason Eve Metrics shows the reddit base for Eve growing inverse to the Player average online numbers might be that you can't post on the Eve-O forums when you cancel your sub...
Maybe it is a bad thing for CCP that there is a forum for the game that people can use and post and they don't even have to be active subscribers to use it.
Also, I will try and find it, there was a graph with player online averages by the week and it had milestone nullsec fights on it. Notably when a fight of epic damage and loss happened the player numbers went sharply up the next week... but then tanked below their previous average about a month later.
Over on Reddit it appears someone parsed the killboard data and determined that we are down only 14% in kills year to date, with 8% less unique antagonists. Compare that to the 30% drop in player averages and they surmised that PVE/Carebear types have left the game in far greater numbers or that alts are not being subbed any longer. The only weird thing about that though is kills in High Sec are on the rise and kills in null are down far more than before. I don't know exactly what that all means yet and I would rather like to look at the hard data.
Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1264
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Posted - 2015.06.30 03:08:40 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Quote:All "EVE is dying" talk is just the video game manifestation of real world Doomsday Anxiety. Now when i post this quote, most of you will know instantly who I thought about when I read it. Not trying to pick on the dude, but it's the truth lol: I generally like your posts... I started on 12/31/2008. There are less players on the server today than then. I have to spend as much time running level 4's in a Marauder to earn a PLEX now as I had to spend mining in a burst then. **** that. WoW is literally more fun these days. You can build a good case that its not going to die any time soon, but if you say it inst crippled I feel you are being intellectually dishonest. Feel as you like, it's not crippled, you are simply confusing your own feelings towards the game with the games general situation. You are not alone, lots of people do that, and in doing so they imagine crisis where none really exists. I love EVE, I have no interest in seeing it die or CCP go out of business, If i thought that was happening I'd be concerned... But I've lived through too many years of "EVE is Dying" to respond to that particular wolf cry anymore. You also have to notice that some of the same people pointing at pcu numbers and screaming "EVE is dying" are the same people who said the same things when the PCU numbers were going up. In addition to Doomsday anxiety, there is this feeling among the 'perpetually marginalized' player who never like core aspects of EVE and wanted 'change' that now is the time to seize on the fact of lower pcu numbers to manipulate CCP to develop in a direction they want and have always wanted. Raw opportunism at it's finest. It not nearly as bad in game as forum people say. If a person never played EVE came to this forum he'd think no one is playing EVE at all. I jsut returned to null sec and i've had to turn Jabber off, all the pinging about fights and stuff is annoying.
Try living on your salary from 6 years ago then I guess. Its not impossible, but its not fun and its not sustainable.
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
6252
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Posted - 2015.06.30 05:46:53 -
[1765] - Quote
That's rather odd, as I'm seeing more and more familiar faces returning to EVE (anecdotal though that may be).
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Commander Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
1477
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Posted - 2015.06.30 05:51:05 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:That's rather odd, as I'm seeing more and more familiar faces returning to EVE (anecdotal though that may be).
The "entitled bell-ends" are leaving and making a heck of a racket as they go.
People are returning, but with 'their mains' only. Alts were always a luxury.
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
1482
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Posted - 2015.06.30 05:51:05 -
[1767] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:That's rather odd, as I'm seeing more and more familiar faces returning to EVE (anecdotal though that may be).
The "entitled bell-ends" are leaving and making a heck of a racket as they go.
People are returning, but with 'their mains' only. Alts were always a luxury.
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Sgt Ocker
Military Bustards FUBAR.
631
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Posted - 2015.06.30 07:50:56 -
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Cyborg Girl86 wrote:Omg ppl really? If you're so unhappy with the game quit already and go back to WoW or something...and give me all of your stuff This thread has gone on for way too long now.
Really so those of us who have been around for years should just leave - Because your happy with a few changes that a far greater number dislike.
I never played WOW but it does seem it would suit you much better than Eve - See Eve was built by players and what they did, where you seem to think WOW with its constant trash updates is ok for Eve. Please don't let the door smack you in the back of the head as you leave. (It might damage the door)
Oh just just to be clear - This thread is players voicing concern - Only a few who don't actually partcipate in the thread see it as an "Eve is dying" thread. But they too aren't wrong - Everything dies eventually, it may take a year it may take 10 but it will happen.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
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Sgt Ocker
Military Bustards FUBAR.
631
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Posted - 2015.06.30 08:02:22 -
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Commander Spurty wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:That's rather odd, as I'm seeing more and more familiar faces returning to EVE (anecdotal though that may be). The "entitled bell-ends" are leaving and making a heck of a racket as they go. People are returning, but with 'their mains' only. Alts were always a luxury. Alts were a necessary luxury for certain activities - I for one don't miss subbing 3 cyno accounts but do miss using my capitals.
Ranger - Your half right, there are older players returning. They came back with the announcement of the new sov hoping it would bring valid game play with it. Most will stay subbed now until the July deadline passes, at least - Then and only then will we see whether the changes meet expectations. When Eve had proper releases and not this 6 week rolling mess of half finished projects, there was always a spike of old players returning to see what was on offer.
Will the nerf to fleets and Fozzielogic sov (best griefers win) be enough to keep them? I doubt it but time will tell.
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Posted - 2015.06.30 08:19:57 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote: But they too aren't wrong - Everything dies eventually, it may take a year it may take 10 but it will happen.
so bottom line is people will come, people will go, same shite different day.
if this thread was indeed about the fozzie sov changes then why not call it something like sov and you and how you feel? No? i guess that title just doesn't grab peoples attention like an EVE is dead or dieing thread. or perhaps CCP took your toys away,, what ya gonna do about it? No? yea i guess what ya went with was better suited to your agenda. |
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