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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6719
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Posted - 2015.07.11 03:36:01 -
[1951] - Quote
0bama Barack Hussein wrote:But who would then pay all those subscriptions if all play with PLEX? Where did all the plex come from that they they were buying with isk
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
38660
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Posted - 2015.07.11 03:47:33 -
[1952] - Quote
La Rynx wrote:"!=" means "equals not", "is not" in layman's terms. What does it mean in non-layman's terms?
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16685
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Posted - 2015.07.11 07:10:43 -
[1953] - Quote
Well the fitting service on one of our stations got entosised yesterday so we're disbanding and moving our stuff to hi-sec while there's still time
Ocker, you were right all along I am sorry I doubted you.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
822
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Posted - 2015.07.11 07:14:34 -
[1954] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Well the fitting service on one of our stations got entosised yesterday so we're disbanding and moving our stuff to hi-sec while there's still time
Ocker, you were right all along I am sorry I doubted you. Sarcasm, I hope.
My nose tickles.
haaa..... HAAAAAA...... HHHAAAAAAAAAA
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16685
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Posted - 2015.07.11 07:16:56 -
[1955] - Quote
Update: It was actually the reprocessing service
WHY DIDNT I BUY THAT JF WHEN I HAD THE CHANCE
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3810
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Posted - 2015.07.11 07:25:15 -
[1956] - Quote
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:... In the process CCP effectively handles more PvE to the players. But instead of doing that in highsec, where lies the bulk of their playerbase and where retention is horrible due to poor content, CCP does that for nullsec. ... Strangely enough, there is no shortage of missions in High Sec and they even have variety compared with shooting the same Forlorn Hub day in and day out. High Sec only keeps people for a short time because they avoid PVP. CCP can not program a different mentality. They could do something along the lines of my signature, leading the horse to water but even then, they can not make it drink. There is no fix for carebears in a PVP sandbox.
First: EVE is not a PvP sandbox. Second: PvP is a very flexible concept and stretches well beyond "I shoot your face" Third: the usual parody of loss-averse and risk-averse carebear is just that: a parody. Fourth: if the horse won't drink from the cocodrile infested pool, maybe you should care for cocodrile free pools? What's your business, cocodriles or horses?
Highsec fails to retain players because there is no way in which PvE translates into PvP-by-other-means.
The career of a professional highsec PvEr is like: spend two years doing your stuff, mastering it. Then you look for something else and turns you're back to square one compared to players who just began shooting other players, and all you did for two years serves you nothing against that. So either you dismiss everyhting and learn-what-you-should-had-learned-you-fool, or quit.
And that is CCP's doing. The only way to destroy a ship is by shooting it personally. Why? NPCs only serve as grindable assets. Why? Mastering PvE serves nothing against players. Why?
CCP, CCP, and CCP. They love and cheerish cocodriles and pity/scorn horses. In EVE, you can avoid shooting faces, but by doing so you're losing the game. Even if it takes two years to realize it.
Even if that's what are doing exactly 80% of all new players.
Even if after 12 years, that 80% of wrong players still are 62% of the demographics.
80% of what players do fails to retain them, and vice versa, 80% of players fail to do things that could retain them. The smarter solution would be to improve that 80% rather than struggle to add 10% to the 20% who stumble accidentally with what can retain them.
CCP refuses to say "Ok, you mastered the bucket and dismissed the spade. That's fine with us, here's your battle bucket so you can use it against those who mastered the spade. This is a sandbox, not a spade battle ring". Instead, they pity/scorn those who picked the bucket and struggle to show them the right path to the spade... with less than stellar results according to the NPE feedback devblog.
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
277
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Posted - 2015.07.11 07:55:23 -
[1957] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:La Rynx wrote:"!=" means "equals not", "is not" in layman's terms. What does it mean in non-layman's terms?
http://de.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=layman%27s+terms
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
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0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2015.07.11 14:10:49 -
[1958] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:0bama Barack Hussein wrote:But who would then pay all those subscriptions if all play with PLEX? Where did all the plex come from that they they were buying with isk
I said subscriptions
Different thing than PLEX bought into a game, in theory anyway.
I would imagine PLEX is bought into a game to be sold at markets for isk, as subscriptions are paid so one do not need to spend isk to buy PLEX...
Same result for CCP though, I guess, when I start to think about it. Except that some people buy many PLEX per month to be sold for isk, as subscription can be paid only once a month....
Damn I-¦m confused now, should stay away from wacky tobacco |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
453
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Posted - 2015.07.11 14:25:33 -
[1959] - Quote
Knights Armament wrote:...whatever else rich people do for fun We track down Forum losers and shave their extremities....
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0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2015.07.11 14:48:15 -
[1960] - Quote
I really started to think about PLEX system, and think it is ingenious!
It ensures EvE-¦s survival, as there is always that hardcore playerbase that keeps on buying PLEX-¦s, to be sold on markets for isk, to skill mulltiple chars, buy boots nobody sees...
I bet even ED and SC will someday adopt this kind of payment model when income starts to decrease, eventhough neither games are subscription based (maybe just to buy ingame currency or stuff/content).
CCP is brilliant!
Death of EvE is false prophets new doomsday thing after 2012 passed. |
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Pyro Miner
Dutch Powerrr Paper Tiger Coalition
11
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Posted - 2015.07.11 14:52:32 -
[1961] - Quote
0bama Barack Hussein wrote:I really started to think about PLEX system, and think it is ingenious! It ensures EvE-¦s survival, as there is always that hardcore playerbase that keeps on buying PLEX-¦s, to be sold on markets for isk, to skill mulltiple chars, buy boots nobody sees... I bet even ED and SC will someday adopt this kind of payment model when income starts to decrease, eventhough neither games are subscription based (maybe just to buy ingame currency or stuff/content). CCP is brilliant! Death of EvE is false prophets new doomsday thing after 2012 passed.
wel they alrdy sell skins for mony
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0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2015.07.11 14:53:41 -
[1962] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Well the fitting service on one of our stations got entosised yesterday so we're disbanding and moving our stuff to hi-sec while there's still time
Ocker, you were right all along I am sorry I doubted you.
Time to move on and adapt, maybe even try griefing their new sov back.
CCP has definitely decided to get these changes through, no thread can change that, and you will not be first or last to suffer. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1840
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Posted - 2015.07.11 15:20:30 -
[1963] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:La Rynx wrote:"!=" means "equals not", "is not" in layman's terms. What does it mean in non-layman's terms? Hehehehehee! "So, anyway there is this symbol using in programming != or /= that in layman's terms means 'not equal' and in programming ... well ... err ... umm ... it means 'not equal'. Moving on!"
(Stay tuned Scipio, you are going to love the x = x + 1 explanation)
I also loved how they went on about quality. In missions there is at least some variety. In Null Sec anomolies you just fly in, tank, spank and loot.
... but how dare the Null Sec people ahve any PVE! They have all that F1 PVP! Each type of space must have its own forte!
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3810
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Posted - 2015.07.11 17:08:06 -
[1964] - Quote
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:La Rynx wrote:"!=" means "equals not", "is not" in layman's terms. What does it mean in non-layman's terms? Hehehehehee! "So, anyway there is this symbol using in programming != or /= that in layman's terms means 'not equal' and in programming ... well ... err ... umm ... it means 'not equal'. Moving on!" (Stay tuned Scipio, you are going to love the x = x + 1 explanation) I also loved how they went on about quality. In missions there is at least some variety. In Null Sec anomolies you just fly in, tank, spank and loot. ... but how dare the Null Sec people ahve any PVE! They have all that F1 PVP! Each type of space must have its own forte!
Just FYI, I've heard the there are pirate mission agents in nullsec...
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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GankYou
4B0082 Research
765
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Posted - 2015.07.11 17:32:46 -
[1965] - Quote
0bama Barack Hussein wrote:I...buy boots nobody sees...
I do look sometimes.
Quote:CCP is brilliant!
They are.
...And they all crave one thing - ISK. ¤
[WTS] ME10 / TE20 BPOs from Battleships/Cruisers to Fighters, Carriers, Triage/Siege, XL modules & Cap Components
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1841
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Posted - 2015.07.11 18:52:18 -
[1966] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Just FYI, I've heard that there are pirate mission agents in nullsec... Did your source also tell you how widely they are found across space?
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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Sgt Ocker
Military Bustards FUBAR.
653
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Posted - 2015.07.11 23:25:10 -
[1967] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Update: It was actually the reprocessing service WHY DIDNT I BUY THAT JF WHEN I HAD THE CHANCE Damn, did it happen while you were out with your allies attacking assets of an alliance half your size? Or were you too busy safely ratting for your next Rattlesnake and couldn't be bothered defending it?
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
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Sgt Ocker
Military Bustards FUBAR.
654
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Posted - 2015.07.12 00:07:30 -
[1968] - Quote
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Just FYI, I've heard that there are pirate mission agents in nullsec... Did your source also tell you how widely they are found across space? Nul agents offer the same missions as their highsec counterparts. Doing what in highsec would be a sit and relax mission, in nulsec when you get a local spike and combat probes up. Adds a nice element to mission running
Ishtanchuk - Maybe it is not better highsec content you want but something different that gets your heart pumping a bit.
There are nulsec agents, in a select few pockets that every small pvp gang knows well. When it comes to risk vs reward vs fun, nulsec missions have a bit of each. Running lvl 4 missions in a pvp fit ship is - Interesting
Lowsec missions can be rewarding, from a risk vs reward vs fun position, if it is change you need, try some. The risk of having to watch local and keep Dscan up, adds a little something extra.
When it comes to just increasing wallet size, with as little risk as possible - Highsec is the place to be.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3493
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Posted - 2015.07.12 00:54:21 -
[1969] - Quote
La Rynx wrote:"!=" means "equals not", "is not" in layman's terms.
I'll show my age. The "not equals" symbol is:
.NE.
Know a Frozen fan? Check this out
Frozen fanfiction
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1843
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Posted - 2015.07.12 01:15:01 -
[1970] - Quote
Sgt Ocker wrote:Ishtanchuk - Maybe it is not better highsec content you want but something different that gets your heart pumping a bit. I suspect it is the other way around. Complete safety with the ability to socialise.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6721
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Posted - 2015.07.12 02:24:08 -
[1971] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Second: PvP is a very flexible concept and stretches well beyond "I shoot your face" I've always noted that
"I shoot your structure"
and now:
"I entosis your sov"
work perfectly.
Also, "I afk cloak your system"
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2015.07.12 08:17:49 -
[1972] - Quote
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:Ishtanchuk - Maybe it is not better highsec content you want but something different that gets your heart pumping a bit. I suspect it is the other way around. Complete safety with the ability to socialise.
I can confirm that I have occasionally got to high sec (alt, like this) just to either make isk doing lvl 4-¦s relaxing without stress of red-¦s coming into local, and also for BS-talk (like in this alts npc chat, or in FW chat). |
Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
334
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Posted - 2015.07.12 08:21:59 -
[1973] - Quote
0bama Barack Hussein wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:Ishtanchuk - Maybe it is not better highsec content you want but something different that gets your heart pumping a bit. I suspect it is the other way around. Complete safety with the ability to socialise. I can confirm that I have occasionally got to high sec (alt, like this) just to either make isk doing lvl 4-¦s relaxing without stress of red-¦s coming into local, and also for BS-talk (like in this alts npc chat, or in FW chat).
this proves even more that the games harsh way of treating each other is a detrimental to new players.. I mean hey if you need an Alt of an ALT to even post on the games own damn forum.. then no wonder the shrinking numbers continues.
too many folks are in denial about it.. including ccp.
im just laughing cause I bet that attitude will change soon as the competition heats up..
the day of reckoning is coming and that is all........................................................................ |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3815
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Posted - 2015.07.12 08:52:44 -
[1974] - Quote
Sgt Ocker wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Just FYI, I've heard that there are pirate mission agents in nullsec... Did your source also tell you how widely they are found across space? Nul agents offer the same missions as their highsec counterparts. Doing what in highsec would be a sit and relax mission, in nulsec when you get a local spike and combat probes up. Adds a nice element to mission running Ishtanchuk - Maybe it is not better highsec content you want but something different that gets your heart pumping a bit. There are nulsec agents, in a select few pockets that every small pvp gang knows well. When it comes to risk vs reward vs fun, nulsec missions have a bit of each. Running lvl 4 missions in a pvp fit ship is - Interesting Lowsec missions can be rewarding, from a risk vs reward vs fun position, if it is change you need, try some. The risk of having to watch local and keep Dscan up, adds a little something extra. When it comes to just increasing wallet size, with as little risk as possible - Highsec is the place to be.
Well, wallet size never moved me, and it wouldn't be smart to discuss publicly what floats my boat with EVE...
What I want is to enjoy EVE's deepest content without resetting to zero my acquired knowledge and advantages (6 years of PvE and a nice collection of PvE tools aka ships). I'm not going to struggle with pew pew in T1 frigates at this point. v-¦v
I want to generate and consume player generated content... through PvE. EVE's PvP exists in two flavors: "I punch your face" (disruption by physical destruction of game assets) and "I eat the last cookie" (competition for limited game resources). But there is a third flavor to PvP: "I kill your bishop and chess mate in three moves" (game disruption by a set of rules) .
Factor in that NPC are irrelevant in EVE and so there's an open road to "disruption by rules" through "NPCs" and thus "PvE".
And I think that what's good for the goose is good for the gander too: as soon as rescuing the damsel for the 20th time gives the tools to oppose your bishop to somebody's tower, the game will become way more interesting and the sandbox will be more complete.
Blame Mike Azariah for his "peacedec" concept on forcing other players to do what they don't want or don't like or just don't care to do. In my opinion he totally hit the nail there. The way in which some players accidentally earn the abbility to force other players to stop playing or play in a different way and how those players are not given any chance to defend by playing their way has costed EVE literally millions of subscribers. And also has lead to the current situation where a bunch of old farts fight over the despoils of the game** as new players wisely move away or don't even come in.
Also, after so many years EVE totally needs a Yin to balance out the rampant Yang... but that would be another matter.
**including the work of the severely diminished human resources of the company. We all want the last ~450 to work on *our* pet projects since they no longer are ~600 and there's no man/hours to waste in "other" stuff. They also are busy struggling to keep their company and their jobs, which includes trusting their EP, their CEO an their leadership in general when they clash with the (grumpyawesome) customer base.
At least hey don't have to stand any bad breath...
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16692
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Posted - 2015.07.12 11:43:36 -
[1975] - Quote
So in short, you want to stay in hi-sec but be able to use your PvE-derived ISK/Standings/LP/whatever to have NPCs **** with other players rather than actually doing it yourself because in your own words, you've dug yourself into a pit of PVE expertise and you're scared to climb out of it.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3818
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Posted - 2015.07.12 12:08:14 -
[1976] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:So in short, you want to stay in hi-sec but be able to use your PvE-derived ISK/Standings/LP/whatever to have NPCs **** with other players rather than actually doing it yourself because in your own words, you've dug yourself into a pit of PVE expertise and you're scared to climb out of it.
That's not what I said and it's not what I mean and it's not what I want.
I don't want to mess with you. But if you choose to mess with me, I want to give you enough risk for your reward, even if we play the game in different ways.
Also, it must be noted that "people who dug themselves into a pit of PVE expertise" are 50% of the game or more, and their retention rate is godawful. It's not a small issue whether those players will stand on equal footing to other players who pay exactly the same money, or will keep being treated as disposable stepchildren by CCP.
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
24207
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Posted - 2015.07.12 13:59:45 -
[1977] - Quote
0bama Barack Hussein wrote:I really started to think about PLEX system, and think it is ingenious! It ensures EvE-¦s survival, as there is always that hardcore playerbase that keeps on buying PLEX-¦s, to be sold on markets for isk, to skill mulltiple chars, buy boots nobody sees... I bet even ED and SC will someday adopt this kind of payment model when income starts to decrease, eventhough neither games are subscription based (maybe just to buy ingame currency or stuff/content). CCP is brilliant! Death of EvE is false prophets new doomsday thing after 2012 passed. Blizzard have already introduced a PLEX equivalent to Wow that can be traded for ingame currency or used for game time. The major difference is that it can only be traded once.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1845
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Posted - 2015.07.12 14:05:50 -
[1978] - Quote
Milla Goodpussy wrote:... I mean hey if you need an Alt of an ALT to even post on the games own damn forum.. then .... You don't have enough jump clones, bookmarks and all the other tricks that make people miserable when they are trying to hunt you.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16694
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Posted - 2015.07.12 14:06:28 -
[1979] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Malcanis wrote:So in short, you want to stay in hi-sec but be able to use your PvE-derived ISK/Standings/LP/whatever to have NPCs **** with other players rather than actually doing it yourself because in your own words, you've dug yourself into a pit of PVE expertise and you're scared to climb out of it. That's not what I said and it's not what I mean and it's not what I want. I don't want to mess with you. But if you choose to mess with me, I want to give you enough risk for your reward, even if we play the game in different ways. Also, it must be noted that "people who dug themselves into a pit of PVE expertise" are 50% of the game or more, and their retention rate is godawful. It's not a small issue whether those players will stand on equal footing to other players who pay exactly the same money, or will keep being treated as disposable stepchildren by CCP.
It's what you conveyed.
Can you give a specific example of a hypothetical mechanic that would do what you wanted?
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
846
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Posted - 2015.07.12 14:24:01 -
[1980] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Malcanis wrote:So in short, you want to stay in hi-sec but be able to use your PvE-derived ISK/Standings/LP/whatever to have NPCs **** with other players rather than actually doing it yourself because in your own words, you've dug yourself into a pit of PVE expertise and you're scared to climb out of it. That's not what I said and it's not what I mean and it's not what I want. I don't want to mess with you. But if you choose to mess with me, I want to give you enough risk for your reward, even if we play the game in different ways. Also, it must be noted that "people who dug themselves into a pit of PVE expertise" are 50% of the game or more, and their retention rate is godawful. It's not a small issue whether those players will stand on equal footing to other players who pay exactly the same money, or will keep being treated as disposable stepchildren by CCP. A PvP+PvE player does a shitton of more things than pure PvE players.
You ARE disposable, you just don't get it. The only ones who really care about you people are those who market torwards your weaknesses and bleed you out of your money. That's how much value you have ... you're nothing but a cash-cow and you ARE being treated as such! You just don't ******* get it!
TSHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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