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Tibo Paralian
Dirt 'n' Glitter
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Posted - 2015.04.02 23:41:27 -
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From a lore/immersion point of view, it would be more believable if watchlists were tied to empire business. For example, instead of the watchlist showing as a green arrow for online, it would say 'last seen XX minutes ago'. By seen, any of the following could be used; used a stargate, dock in a station, using station services, talking to agents, a bounty being paid, etc. As in anything that requires the use of empire structures/services.
From a social point of view, corp/alliance and other chat channels already function as a watchlist.
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Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
164
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Posted - 2015.04.03 00:21:59 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Chance Ravinne wrote:I love watch lists as much as the next guy, but sometimes it feels overpowered as an intelligence source. Especially in w space where the lack of local adds to the mystery and shroud, but watch lists kind of undermine that. Any thoughts? OK, here's my take on this. When your clowns came into my hole, and set up EVE's Second Least Impressive Wormhole Camp (you outdid yourselves this week, btw) I parked an alt on the wormhole entrance and added every idiot who jumped through. I went to zkillboard and researched each idiot to determine which other clown-arse moron he flew with. Soon i had scried out who was in my hole, which one had a bomber and who had a Falcon, who had a 800M Wingspan "doctrine" Stratios spendo-punching bag. I had a good idea who was in my hole, and since they were on watchlists, and i had researched their behaviour on zkillboard, I came to a conclusion. #1 - You are all US TZ and you were "hell camping" an AU TZ corp #2 - As long as we didn't idle n the wormhole with MWD's running in a T1 frigate, we would be fine, because bomber camps against 150K EHP cloaky proteuses are, well, pretty damn pointless #3 - I could tell who was online, what they were flying, and address the risk and alleged threat your clowns posed at any one time. The watchlist was not the be-all and end-all of my intelligence gathering. Researching zkillboard and using half of one fifth of my brain was the majority of it. I realised immediately, you and yours had no real teeth. You hadn't sieged anyone out. Haulers and mining barges would kill your bombers more often than not. You needed 12 guys to do anything. We could, and did, go about our business without interference. Finally, you were engaged in a collossal waste of time because your idiots never once brought a decent interdiction option to the field. So is a watchlist bad? No. it's a tool. A small and ineffectual tool. Which is why a small and ineffectual tool is trying to get it removed I suppose. Sure, it's prone to abuse. Blood Union would invest billions of ISK in dreads, dread alts, etc, and seed hem into C5's inhabited by bears and pull logon traps partly informed by watchlists. But, and I'll educate you about what really happened because you weren't even playing the game when it happened, BU quit wormholes mostly when CCP removed API kill logging support and jump logging from wormhole systems, thereby invalidating BU's intel tool known as Siggy. BU didn't even need to WL their victims to pull logon traps. a WL pinging with sign-ons is handy but it wouldn't have stopped them without the removal of NPC kill logging and jump logging which just showed a nice red or yellow flag on the holes in Siggy. Would i want WL's removed? no. You know why? i have friends. Without a WL, the only way I now my friends, enemies and frienemies are online is to be in the same channel as them (local or otherwise). Sure, some people may hate the fact I WL their whole active member base, but the key is that you and yours didn't get kills because a Wl informed me you were online. You didnt get kills because you were bad. Then you turned tail and ran abecause your corp is pathetic and weak when it comes to a pitched battle. if you hate the fact that camping a hole for weeks with bombers merely sees you get added to Wl and your sign on is greeted by derision in Local, well tough.
Trinkets when I read your posts I ignore all the parts about me and my corp being bad, because we aren't supposed to be good and frankly it has no affect on my wallet or general standings in Eve. So instead I will address your points, of which there seem to be two.
One, you used watch lists to gather Intel that you called useless. Sounds like an argument for its removal.
Second you said you want to use it for chatting. Consensual lists resolve that.
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
26317
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Posted - 2015.04.03 00:49:37 -
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Chance Ravinne wrote:One, you used watch lists to gather Intel that you called useless. Sounds like an argument for its removal.
He said it was a small part of what contributed overall to an intel picture.
Other things such as killboards for example were used. So I'm guessing you'd advocate for their removal too since it costs nothing to use them as intel. I'd also imagine you'd recommend all your pilots not register APIs on killboards too as that willing gives out "free intel" that can be avoided, right?
Because it's all the same thing. ^^
What is this thread even doing in this section anyway? Thank Bob I wear goggles 'cause it burns my eyes.
It's not a divisive topic, btw. It's just that you made it into one.
=ƒÉÆ Bob Is Always Watching ...
Jack Miton > everyone knows im the best dusette
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Pissfat
Reverse Production
67
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Posted - 2015.04.03 00:52:49 -
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Candi LeMew wrote:
It's not a divisive topic, btw. It's just that you made it into one.
Pretty much this.
This is why it is really bad when a CSM has their own agenda.
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Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
237
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Posted - 2015.04.03 01:33:48 -
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Candi LeMew wrote: It's not a divisive topic, btw. It's just that you made it into one.
It is a divisive topic, you are simply on the side of the current statu-quo. But it does belong with the larger discussion about local in Null, and I am glad a CSM member is bringing this up.
Risk free intel is not good for the game, and watch list should only be available when both sides agree to it.
"surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
solo? There is a new hope...
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Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
237
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Posted - 2015.04.03 01:36:47 -
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Pissfat wrote:
This is why it is really bad when a CSM has their own agenda.
lol... seriously?
Each CSM member/candidate has their own agenda, for the group/play style they represent or the powers that put them in place.
Believing otherwise is naive.
"surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
solo? There is a new hope...
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
26318
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Posted - 2015.04.03 01:37:56 -
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Pissfat wrote:Candi LeMew wrote:
It's not a divisive topic, btw. It's just that you made it into one.
Pretty much this. This is why it is really bad when a CSM has their own agenda. Of all the things you could be concentrating on for WH space right now like the MASSIVE structure/pos changes you choose to spend some of your first actions delving into a non issue like bloody watchlists. It really does feel like that.
So many more issues with real relevancy for wormholers and w-space.
With Chance's niche approach to w-space he's going to fight an uphill battle to win many hearts and minds in the w-space community, but that's only made more difficult with topics like this which are just as niche.
If you're into that stuff though, Chance and need a topic to cut your teeth on, come fix this for me, please.
Saisin wrote:Candi LeMew wrote: It's not a divisive topic, btw. It's just that you made it into one.
It is a divisive topic, you are simply on the side of the current statu-quo. But it does belong with the larger discussion about local in Null, and I am glad a CSM member is bringing this up. Risk free intel is not good for the game, and watch list should only be available when both sides agree to it. It's like talking to an automated, AI reply.
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Jack Miton > everyone knows im the best dusette
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Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
165
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Posted - 2015.04.03 01:57:39 -
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Pissfat wrote:Candi LeMew wrote:
It's not a divisive topic, btw. It's just that you made it into one.
Pretty much this. This is why it is really bad when a CSM has their own agenda. Of all the things you could be concentrating on for WH space right now like the MASSIVE structure/pos changes you choose to spend some of your first actions delving into a non issue like bloody watchlists.
Hey thanks for the feedback guys! Just two quick things:
1. Although I'm a CSM member, I hope you don't expect every single forum post I make going forward is part of some sinister agenda! I just thought of this off the cuff while reading the AFK cloaking discussion. 2. I would guess from the Fanfest presentation that the details for structures and how they'd work in w-space is not exactly at "show this to Chance in April 2015" levels of readiness, but it will be on my mind for the future. 3. I think based on the responses in here there are some strong opinions about this system, and I haven't seen it talked about in a long time (ever?). Wahoo!
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
26319
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Posted - 2015.04.03 02:17:09 -
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Chance Ravinne wrote:3. I think based on the responses in here there are some strong opinions about this system, and I haven't seen it talked about in a long time (ever?). Wahoo! Anyone can raise a non-issue and stand around all day trying to make it one. Results not surprising.
10/10 if it's a troll though. ^^
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Jack Miton > everyone knows im the best dusette
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
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Neckbeard Nolyfe
Zero Fun Allowed
38
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Posted - 2015.04.03 02:30:10 -
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Chance Ravinne wrote:I started this thread on a lark yet it seems like a very divisive issue. I think it would be possible to preserve both the social nature of watch lists and the spookiness of j space.
I think that you should play eve for a few years to grasp the basics, before thinking about any sort of change. Seeing as you are a year old player who became a CSM for (to me) unknown reasons.
Stick to this for a year or two (until you upgrade to cloaky t3's or somethin)
~lvl 60 paladin~
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1929
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Posted - 2015.04.03 11:36:11 -
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I really wish there was a dislike button on this forum.
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
946
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Posted - 2015.04.03 11:39:43 -
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Neckbeard Nolyfe wrote:Chance Ravinne wrote:I started this thread on a lark yet it seems like a very divisive issue. I think it would be possible to preserve both the social nature of watch lists and the spookiness of j space. I think that you should play eve for a few years to grasp the basics, before thinking about any sort of change. Seeing as you are a year old player who became a CSM for (to me) unknown reasons. Stick to this for a year or two (until you upgrade to cloaky t3's or somethin)
Because character age alwas translates to the person knowing what he's doing The number of supposedly noobs I ran across that were more proficient at what their doing after two months compared to people playing for five years is not lying: An ambitious person can exceed a year old vet in both understanding of the game mechanics and the execution. I've flown with people that had a skillqueue running sine 06 and still couldn't find their feet.
There once was a rookie who asked what a cyno was, and he was told that it's sort of teleportation. Said Rookie deducted that cynos+bridges are the most broken, overpowered **** he's come across in any game. He was right, even before knowing what LP are.
Watch lists are bad. They give you information. There is no way to counter this flow of information which leads to *Watchlists are bad gamedesign* because they have no counter avaiable besides not playing. It might be argued that a lack of *invisible mode* for playing is due to eve being an old game and those things not being considered back then, doesn't mean it's not time to get it up to date.
Inb4 you pull off a QEX and cry everyone a river how removal of watchlisting will be the end of all things. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
919
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Posted - 2015.04.03 12:08:49 -
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Getting rid of the watch list allows the risk averse players to be more risk aversetical. Getting rid of it is bad. It removes a mechanism that enhances the ability to blow up another dudes space stuff.
I use the watch list to blow folks up. Folks that don't like fighting on my terms want to take my tools away. I'm ok w/ folks using the watch list the same way I do to exploit me and blow me up. That's part of the game. The drive to remove watch list functionality boils down directly to risk aversion.
This whole attempt to get rid of the watch list is an attempt to make eve more risk averse. It's that simple. Any advantages w/ gimping or removing the current watch list stem soley from the desire of risk averse folks to be free of those who hunt them.
What we have here is a null sec CSM trying to rip the non-consentual pvp soul out of eve. He came to the wh forums for support. Please kick him back to CAOD.
Hey null sec CSM dude, if you want to get rid of free intel - start w/ local. We've already proven in wh space that you can survive w/out it. Once you get rid of local in null and low sex, then come back w/ your grand ideas.
TL/DR Get out!! |
Obil Que
Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance
233
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Posted - 2015.04.03 12:20:42 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Getting rid of the watch list allows the risk averse players to be more risk aversetical. Getting rid of it is bad. It removes a mechanism that enhances the ability to blow up another dudes space stuff.
What is more risk averse then gathering intel on people without being outside their POS shield?
Serendipity Lost wrote:I use the watch list to blow folks up. Folks that don't like fighting on my terms want to take my tools away. I'm ok w/ folks using the watch list the same way I do to exploit me and blow me up. That's part of the game. The drive to remove watch list functionality boils down directly to risk aversion.
This whole attempt to get rid of the watch list is an attempt to make eve more risk averse. It's that simple. Any advantages w/ gimping or removing the current watch list stem soley from the desire of risk averse folks to be free of those who hunt them.
I want people who gather intel to have to endure risk to do it. Be in space. Be at my POS. Don't gather intel on me from across New Eden with zero risk to yourself to know my patterns and activities. I see nothing but risk averse people wanting to have their perfect intel on my activities handed to them on a silver platter. I want those people to have to be in space directly and actively gathering intel at risk to themselves for doing it.
Yes, I want to take your tool away. Your zero effort, zero risk tool to hunt with. |
Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
166
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Posted - 2015.04.03 12:21:30 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Getting rid of the watch list allows the risk averse players to be more risk aversetical. Getting rid of it is bad. It removes a mechanism that enhances the ability to blow up another dudes space stuff.
I use the watch list to blow folks up. Folks that don't like fighting on my terms want to take my tools away. I'm ok w/ folks using the watch list the same way I do to exploit me and blow me up. That's part of the game. The drive to remove watch list functionality boils down directly to risk aversion.
This whole attempt to get rid of the watch list is an attempt to make eve more risk averse. It's that simple. Any advantages w/ gimping or removing the current watch list stem soley from the desire of risk averse folks to be free of those who hunt them.
What we have here is a null sec CSM trying to rip the non-consentual pvp soul out of eve. He came to the wh forums for support. Please kick him back to CAOD.
Hey null sec CSM dude, if you want to get rid of free intel - start w/ local. We've already proven in wh space that you can survive w/out it. Once you get rid of local in null and low sex, then come back w/ your grand ideas.
TL/DR Get out!!
I'm not sure where you got the impression that I'm a null sec player but I think fifteen seconds on my killboard will reveal I'm actually a (really unskilled) wormhole nomad.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
919
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Posted - 2015.04.03 12:27:21 -
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Chance Ravinne wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:Getting rid of the watch list allows the risk averse players to be more risk aversetical. Getting rid of it is bad. It removes a mechanism that enhances the ability to blow up another dudes space stuff.
I use the watch list to blow folks up. Folks that don't like fighting on my terms want to take my tools away. I'm ok w/ folks using the watch list the same way I do to exploit me and blow me up. That's part of the game. The drive to remove watch list functionality boils down directly to risk aversion.
This whole attempt to get rid of the watch list is an attempt to make eve more risk averse. It's that simple. Any advantages w/ gimping or removing the current watch list stem soley from the desire of risk averse folks to be free of those who hunt them.
What we have here is a null sec CSM trying to rip the non-consentual pvp soul out of eve. He came to the wh forums for support. Please kick him back to CAOD.
Hey null sec CSM dude, if you want to get rid of free intel - start w/ local. We've already proven in wh space that you can survive w/out it. Once you get rid of local in null and low sex, then come back w/ your grand ideas.
TL/DR Get out!! I'm not sure where you got the impression that I'm a null sec player but I think fifteen seconds on my killboard will reveal I'm actually a (really unskilled) wormhole nomad.
I have you watchlisted and have figured out who this alt belongs to. Let's not pretend this is your only account and that you magically as a year old player made it to the CSM based on your bad ideas and poor kb. That's a bit much to make even a below average wh player believe. (pro hint: don't log off one character and immediately log on another or a log in a wave of characters over 2 minutes until you get the watch list removed fromt the game). |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
920
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Posted - 2015.04.03 12:40:17 -
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Obil Que wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:Getting rid of the watch list allows the risk averse players to be more risk aversetical. Getting rid of it is bad. It removes a mechanism that enhances the ability to blow up another dudes space stuff. What is more risk averse then gathering intel on people without being outside their POS shield? Serendipity Lost wrote:I use the watch list to blow folks up. Folks that don't like fighting on my terms want to take my tools away. I'm ok w/ folks using the watch list the same way I do to exploit me and blow me up. That's part of the game. The drive to remove watch list functionality boils down directly to risk aversion.
This whole attempt to get rid of the watch list is an attempt to make eve more risk averse. It's that simple. Any advantages w/ gimping or removing the current watch list stem soley from the desire of risk averse folks to be free of those who hunt them. I want people who gather intel to have to endure risk to do it. Be in space. Be at my POS. Don't gather intel on me from across New Eden with zero risk to yourself to know my patterns and activities. I see nothing but risk averse people wanting to have their perfect intel on my activities handed to them on a silver platter. I want those people to have to be in space directly and actively gathering intel at risk to themselves for doing it. Yes, I want to take your tool away. Your zero effort, zero risk tool to hunt with.
So here's how I use it.
You're on grid - I watch list you. We play wh space games for a short period of time (measured in a few hours). If you log off or if my connection to you goes away - I have no further interest in you. Every few days I delete you from my watchlist as the endless flasing of the log in / log out icons nauseates me.
You're a long time space pal - I watch list you and put you in a folder. I deal w/ your icons flashing in the corner as you lod in and out because I like you. Occaisionally I'll convo you or what not as is appropriate for long time space pals.
You're a contact of interest - I watch list you. I actively see you log in and out and try to group you w/ other folks, maybe nail down some log in habits. Maybe nail down that you don't log in and only play forums. All the kind of stuff guys hate about free no risk intel - yeah I do some of that too.
I would prefer to keep the first two and could live w/out the third one, but you can't seperate the first from the third. You just can't. Keep it.
You'll have to just trust me that I don't sit behind pos shields all day and that I actually play the game. Take last night, I sat in an anom for almost an hour in a drake until the wh inhabitants showed up to gank me. Had I not non-consentually wl the legion pilot I would not have known he was watching me. We probably would have rolled away from him and missed an opportunity to flip their gank attempt on them.
I'm not risk averse AND I want to keep the wl for pvp reasons. Don't try to arbitrarily paint me otherwise. |
Obil Que
Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance
233
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Posted - 2015.04.03 12:59:05 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:So here's how I use it.
You're on grid - I watch list you. We play wh space games for a short period of time (measured in a few hours). If you log off or if my connection to you goes away - I have no further interest in you. Every few days I delete you from my watchlist as the endless flasing of the log in / log out icons nauseates me.
You're a long time space pal - I watch list you and put you in a folder. I deal w/ your icons flashing in the corner as you lod in and out because I like you. Occaisionally I'll convo you or what not as is appropriate for long time space pals.
You're a contact of interest - I watch list you. I actively see you log in and out and try to group you w/ other folks, maybe nail down some log in habits. Maybe nail down that you don't log in and only play forums. All the kind of stuff guys hate about free no risk intel - yeah I do some of that too.
I would prefer to keep the first two and could live w/out the third one, but you can't seperate the first from the third. You just can't. Keep it.
You'll have to just trust me that I don't sit behind pos shields all day and that I actually play the game. Take last night, I sat in an anom for almost an hour in a drake until the wh inhabitants showed up to gank me. Had I not non-consentually wl the legion pilot I would not have known he was watching me. We probably would have rolled away from him and missed an opportunity to flip their gank attempt on them.
I'm not risk averse AND I want to keep the wl for pvp reasons. Don't try to arbitrarily paint me otherwise.
In many ways you make my argument for me. In what way should you have the intel to know the legion pilot was watching you without having to devote a resource to physically observing him? Instead you avoided the risk or need to have a second pilot for scouting and chose to use the watchlist to achive that intel gathering.
That is avoiding risk and avoiding playing a part of the game in my book.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
920
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Posted - 2015.04.03 13:36:59 -
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Obil Que wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:So here's how I use it.
You're on grid - I watch list you. We play wh space games for a short period of time (measured in a few hours). If you log off or if my connection to you goes away - I have no further interest in you. Every few days I delete you from my watchlist as the endless flasing of the log in / log out icons nauseates me.
You're a long time space pal - I watch list you and put you in a folder. I deal w/ your icons flashing in the corner as you lod in and out because I like you. Occaisionally I'll convo you or what not as is appropriate for long time space pals.
You're a contact of interest - I watch list you. I actively see you log in and out and try to group you w/ other folks, maybe nail down some log in habits. Maybe nail down that you don't log in and only play forums. All the kind of stuff guys hate about free no risk intel - yeah I do some of that too.
I would prefer to keep the first two and could live w/out the third one, but you can't seperate the first from the third. You just can't. Keep it.
You'll have to just trust me that I don't sit behind pos shields all day and that I actually play the game. Take last night, I sat in an anom for almost an hour in a drake until the wh inhabitants showed up to gank me. Had I not non-consentually wl the legion pilot I would not have known he was watching me. We probably would have rolled away from him and missed an opportunity to flip their gank attempt on them.
I'm not risk averse AND I want to keep the wl for pvp reasons. Don't try to arbitrarily paint me otherwise. In many ways you make my argument for me. In what way should you have the intel to know the legion pilot was watching you without having to devote a resource to physically observing him? Instead you avoided the risk or need to have a second pilot for scouting and chose to use the watchlist to achive that intel gathering. That is avoiding risk and avoiding playing a part of the game in my book.
So not to go into a lot of detail, but...
Lost was the C2 'afk' drake baiting in an anom (It was an armor wh and they had prot, legion, vexor and thorax - so I'd say at risk) Character B (feel free to use the WL mechanics to determine it's name) was in Immensea trying to pick a fight w/ a vaga. (we'll call this at risk even knowing the HAC was totally in fear of my orthrus and would not leave the station dock ring) Character C (again, feel free) is a noob scout alt w/ zero combat skills cloaked on a c5 of interest to see if any traffic was incoming that way. (you got me - cloaked noob scout alt being risk averse... in a wh... who would have imagined)
I don't prove your point - I prove mine. Knowing the target was still online I was able to leave some tasty bait and pull him into a bad situation. It wasn't risk averse - it was using the available tools to multi task and increase my chances of some pew. And to be fair - they went for the drake bait looking to pvp - I didn't use the sinister watch list to surpise sex them... well ok, maybe I kind of did, but they warped to me first, not the other way around.
Edit: also, the legion was cloaked watching me, so watching him would be kind of difficult. All I knew was that he was still online, so I kept the faith and the drake in the anom. You are grasping at straws. |
Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
167
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Posted - 2015.04.03 13:56:22 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Chance Ravinne wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:Getting rid of the watch list allows the risk averse players to be more risk aversetical. Getting rid of it is bad. It removes a mechanism that enhances the ability to blow up another dudes space stuff.
I use the watch list to blow folks up. Folks that don't like fighting on my terms want to take my tools away. I'm ok w/ folks using the watch list the same way I do to exploit me and blow me up. That's part of the game. The drive to remove watch list functionality boils down directly to risk aversion.
This whole attempt to get rid of the watch list is an attempt to make eve more risk averse. It's that simple. Any advantages w/ gimping or removing the current watch list stem soley from the desire of risk averse folks to be free of those who hunt them.
What we have here is a null sec CSM trying to rip the non-consentual pvp soul out of eve. He came to the wh forums for support. Please kick him back to CAOD.
Hey null sec CSM dude, if you want to get rid of free intel - start w/ local. We've already proven in wh space that you can survive w/out it. Once you get rid of local in null and low sex, then come back w/ your grand ideas.
TL/DR Get out!! I'm not sure where you got the impression that I'm a null sec player but I think fifteen seconds on my killboard will reveal I'm actually a (really unskilled) wormhole nomad. I have you watchlisted and have figured out who this alt belongs to. Let's not pretend this is your only account and that you magically as a year old player made it to the CSM based on your bad ideas and poor kb. That's a bit much to make even a below average wh player believe. (pro hint: don't log off one character and immediately log on another or a log in a wave of characters over 2 minutes until you get the watch list removed fromt the game).
Yes this must be it. Despite having a presence on YouTube for the better part of a decade, I chose not to cash in on my EVE power all so I could run a false flag CSM campaign years later. I was secretly making hundreds of videos about other games this whole time just to fool the electorate of Eve! I'm that much of a genius.
You've just read another awesome post by Chance Ravinne, CEO of EVE's #1 torpedo delivery service. Watch our misadventures on my YouTube channel: WINGSPANTT
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.04.03 14:11:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!b
The Rules: 27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster.
Chance Ravinne wrote:3. I think based on the responses in here there are some strong opinions about this system, and I haven't seen it talked about in a long time (ever?). Wahoo! It has, and in some case is, discussed in several threads. Some are even stickied and started by Devs (although not always on this specific subject alone, it does pop up during the discussions).
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Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
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Posted - 2015.04.03 15:11:06 -
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Pissfat wrote:Candi LeMew wrote:
It's not a divisive topic, btw. It's just that you made it into one.
Pretty much this. This is why it is really bad when a CSM has their own agenda. Of all the things you could be concentrating on for WH space right now like the MASSIVE structure/pos changes you choose to spend some of your first actions delving into a non issue like bloody watchlists.
The MASSIVE changes to structure/pos in or out of WH space highlights the need to address these watch list issues.
The impact on station flipping could be huge especially for small corps & alliances. An AFK alt waiting for that 'just right' moment when your watchlist tells you that, during a vulnerability timezone, Trinkets corp have all logged off early to watch the footy highlights.
I vote we call the tactic a "RIFF" Risk Isk Free Flip |
Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
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Posted - 2015.04.03 15:15:27 -
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The removal of watchlist and contact lists would cause far more of a inconvenience then any misperceived gains. The activtity of pos watching turned into a hassle of having to keep 5-7 people online doing it at every pos isn't generating content. Its pointless busywork.
Its the space equivalent of removing online billpay and saying the fun trip down to the office is an adventure.
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CivilWars
Rolled Out Diplomatic Immunity.
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Posted - 2015.04.03 15:22:32 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!b
WORDS... I too agree civil is above all. Glad we have ISD confirmation.
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Neckbeard Nolyfe
Zero Fun Allowed
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Posted - 2015.04.03 15:23:24 -
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I didn't know that pointing out the facts about the topic is off topic. I guess that you learn something new every day.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.04.03 16:00:52 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts.
The Rules: 12. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a support ticket under the Community & Forums Category.
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Neckbeard Nolyfe
Zero Fun Allowed
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Posted - 2015.04.03 17:56:42 -
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remouv watchlist gud, such is life
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Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.03 19:29:30 -
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I'd like for watchlist only to function based on the system I am in. WL player in my system logs in, I get notified. He logs out in same system, I get notified. He leaves system and logs out in another system, my watchlist displays that he is still online.
Basically, unless the log in and/or log out happens in the same solar system as you, you have no idea if they are online. That being said, I also want local to be removed from all types of space. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
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Posted - 2015.04.04 00:08:20 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil! The Rules:27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster. Chance Ravinne wrote:3. I think based on the responses in here there are some strong opinions about this system, and I haven't seen it talked about in a long time (ever?). Wahoo! It has, and in some case is, discussed in several threads. Some are even stickied and started by Devs (although not always on this specific subject alone, it does pop up during the discussions).
WHAT? Chance hasn't seen something that predates 2015?!?!
Prolapse. Taking fights since 2014.
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.04.04 02:30:46 -
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keep it and it's cool?
get rid of it and it's cooler for supers?
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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