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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
733
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Posted - 2015.04.01 07:25:44 -
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This mail was received by an Anti-ganker, sent by a bumper that he was keeping tabs on, I think we can all say its either a WTF moment or a troll, either way its rather funny.
Quote:I would appreciate it if you would stop harassing me. Don't think I didn't notice you following me to Moniyyuku and all the way back to Amarr while trying to interfere with my gameplay and trying to rally people to do the same. If you've got beef with me for whatever reason, wardec my corp or gank me. I have not sent CCP a formal complaint, but if you keep behaving like this, I will.
Sincirely,
Redacted Minister, Ministry of Love, Goonswarm Federation
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Mag's
the united
19210
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Posted - 2015.04.01 07:40:45 -
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Humour.
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1210
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Posted - 2015.04.01 08:30:20 -
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Better back off before he reports your harassing behavior.
D.
STOP OPPRESSING MEEEEEEE
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Alana Charen-Teng
Sword of the Saviour 315th Circuit Court
548
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Posted - 2015.04.01 09:56:40 -
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Dracvlad wrote:This mail was received by an Anti-ganker, sent by a bumper that he was keeping tabs on, I think we can all say its either a WTF moment or a troll, either way its rather funny. Quote:I would appreciate it if you would stop harassing me. Don't think I didn't notice you following me to Moniyyuku and all the way back to Amarr while trying to interfere with my gameplay and trying to rally people to do the same. If you've got beef with me for whatever reason, wardec my corp or gank me. I have not sent CCP a formal complaint, but if you keep behaving like this, I will.
Sincirely,
Redacted Minister, Ministry of Love, Goonswarm Federation
Giving you antigankers a taste of your own medicine. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
733
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Posted - 2015.04.01 10:14:58 -
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Alana Charen-Teng wrote:Dracvlad wrote:This mail was received by an Anti-ganker, sent by a bumper that he was keeping tabs on, I think we can all say its either a WTF moment or a troll, either way its rather funny. Quote:I would appreciate it if you would stop harassing me. Don't think I didn't notice you following me to Moniyyuku and all the way back to Amarr while trying to interfere with my gameplay and trying to rally people to do the same. If you've got beef with me for whatever reason, wardec my corp or gank me. I have not sent CCP a formal complaint, but if you keep behaving like this, I will.
Sincirely,
Redacted Minister, Ministry of Love, Goonswarm Federation Giving you antigankers a taste of your own medicine.
Well that statement is rather incorrect, while you may have people who have been ganked do a petition, the AG's that I have seen look at an exploit used by the gankers (cough loot scooping) shrug and get on with it. But if it makes you feel better stick to that line, for our part we all found that mail hilarious, even if there was only the remotest chance it was legit...
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23387
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Posted - 2015.04.01 11:30:56 -
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Dracvlad wrote:~snip~ the AG's that I have seen look at an exploit used by the gankers (cough loot scooping) shrug and get on with it. ~snip~ Loot scooping is an exploit now? Citation needed, until then you're talking out of your arse.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1219
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Posted - 2015.04.01 11:53:17 -
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Dracvlad wrote:....loot scooping. ....
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
733
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Posted - 2015.04.01 12:04:19 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Dracvlad wrote:~snip~ the AG's that I have seen look at an exploit used by the gankers (cough loot scooping) shrug and get on with it. ~snip~ Loot scooping is an exploit now? Citation needed, until then you're talking out of your arse.
Calm down, relax and breathe deeply, its OK, not an issue, its all do to with getting out of going suspect, its very clever, very smart, no need to get upset with me talking about it, as I have not petitioned it neither have others we just smile and nod sagely at each other, do just keep your cool, you know relax
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Gemina Gidrine
The Safety Fire
3
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Posted - 2015.04.01 12:14:01 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Dracvlad wrote:~snip~ the AG's that I have seen look at an exploit used by the gankers (cough loot scooping) shrug and get on with it. ~snip~ Loot scooping is an exploit now? Citation needed, until then you're talking out of your arse. Calm down, relax and breathe deeply, its OK, not an issue, its all do to with getting out of going suspect, its very clever, very smart, no need to get upset with me talking about it, as I have not petitioned it neither have others we just smile and nod sagely at each other, do just keep your cool, you know relax
So it's not an exploit then, just a use of existing game mechanics.
Your condescending tone does not hide the fact that you are indeed talking out of your arse. Jonah calmly pointed this out to you, maybe you should say thank you. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
733
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Posted - 2015.04.01 12:20:25 -
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Gemina Gidrine wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Dracvlad wrote:~snip~ the AG's that I have seen look at an exploit used by the gankers (cough loot scooping) shrug and get on with it. ~snip~ Loot scooping is an exploit now? Citation needed, until then you're talking out of your arse. Calm down, relax and breathe deeply, its OK, not an issue, its all do to with getting out of going suspect, its very clever, very smart, no need to get upset with me talking about it, as I have not petitioned it neither have others we just smile and nod sagely at each other, do just keep your cool, you know relax So it's not an exploit then, just a use of existing game mechanics. Your condescending tone does not hide the fact that you are indeed talking out of your arse. Jonah calmly pointed this out to you, maybe you should say thank you.
Mechanics, of course, personally I don't see how CCP can adjust it to do what they intend, however smart game play and it was not petitioned by AG players, because they are reasonable people, not what they are painted here by the CODE poster above, if you have a issue with me then show me your lasars!
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Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1211
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Posted - 2015.04.01 12:35:54 -
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Dracvlad wrote: Mechanics, of course, personally I don't see how CCP can adjust it to do what they intend, however smart game play and it was not petitioned by AG players, because they are reasonable people, not what they are painted here by the CODE poster above, if you have a issue with me then show me your lasars!
Please, tell me the story of your people. I'm all ears. Saying A and not saying B could be considered teasing Say it ain't so
Of course you have a perfectly reasonable complaint. Following gankers around might not be harassment to the letter. Following anyone around is creepy, however. Stop it.
D.
STOP OPPRESSING MEEEEEEE
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
733
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Posted - 2015.04.01 12:56:48 -
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Danalee wrote:Dracvlad wrote: Mechanics, of course, personally I don't see how CCP can adjust it to do what they intend, however smart game play and it was not petitioned by AG players, because they are reasonable people, not what they are painted here by the CODE poster above, if you have a issue with me then show me your lasars!
Please, tell me the story of your people. I'm all ears. Saying A and not saying B could be considered teasing Say it ain't so Of course you have a perfectly reasonable complaint. Following gankers around might not be harassment to the letter. Following anyone around is creepy, however. Stop it. D.
Well the person concerned was following a bumper around to stop them from hyperdunking, perfectly acceptable, however I think he was being ironic, but still pretty funny.
The CODE pilot was saying something incorrect about those fine AG people so I just corrected her.
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Cannibal Kane
Cannibal Empire
4852
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Posted - 2015.04.01 14:22:23 -
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So in the bumper thread the GM stated that if the same ganker follows the same person from system to system he has reason to file a petition for possible harassment. Since the miner made the effort to move to a different system to get away from him and the fact that the ganker is just targeting him.
I would just like to point out the ganker can prolly do the same thing since you are following him from system interfering with his game play.
"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
734
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Posted - 2015.04.01 14:52:19 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:So in the bumper thread the GM stated that if the same ganker follows the same person from system to system he has reason to file a petition for possible harassment. Since the miner made the effort to move to a different system to get away from him and the fact that the ganker is just targeting him.
I would just like to point out the ganker can prolly do the same thing since you are following him from system to system interfering with his game play.
Never really thought about it that way around though.
Actually that's rather amusing, he is having a dig at CCP then.
However isn't he acting very much like the carebears he despises so much?
Then someone can make the same point about someone in null space following someone running sites for example, the mind boggles.
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Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
1058
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Posted - 2015.04.01 19:07:46 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:So in the bumper thread the GM stated that if the same ganker follows the same person from system to system he has reason to file a petition for possible harassment. Since the miner made the effort to move to a different system to get away from him and the fact that the ganker is just targeting him.
I would just like to point out the ganker can prolly do the same thing since you are following him from system to system interfering with his game play.
Never really thought about it that way around though. Actually that's rather amusing, he is having a dig at CCP then. However isn't he acting very much like the carebears he despises so much? I suppose if we ignore certain common sense differences then someone can make the same point about someone in null space following someone running sites for example, the mind boggles.
More accurately he's simply following the same harassment rules that CCP holds for the miners. That doesn't make him acting like a carebear, it means that he simply expects CCP to extend the same rules to include other aspects of the game other than only to ganking miners. He's being very reasonable. He also was kind enough to warn the offending players of their petition-able actions prior to filling an official petition.
As null sec I do believe the rules would be not as well defined as if they are running missions in your space, then you are defending your space from invaders, regardless of where they go. If you are in their space, then you are hunting and disrupting hostile players, regardless of where they happen to go. Those are both very reasonable things to expect from a null sec PVP pilot and would not be petition-able. |
Klaus Tylar
Tylar United Freight
7
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Posted - 2015.04.01 19:26:10 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:So in the bumper thread the GM stated that if the same ganker follows the same person from system to system he has reason to file a petition for possible harassment. Since the miner made the effort to move to a different system to get away from him and the fact that the ganker is just targeting him.
I would just like to point out the ganker can prolly do the same thing since you are following him from system to system interfering with his game play.
Never really thought about it that way around though.
Where does this protection begin and end, though? What if the 'ganker' is being paid to kill that person for the gain or benefit of another(disruption of opposition income, loss of opposition's time, etc)? What if the person being followed is merely feeling the repercussions of prior interactions with another player?
Seems like a slippery slope to let anyone call down CCP this easy, even conditionally. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
734
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Posted - 2015.04.01 19:26:41 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:More accurately he's simply following the same harassment rules that CCP holds for the miners. That doesn't make him acting like a carebear, it means that he simply expects CCP to extend the same rules to include other aspects of the game other than only to ganking miners. He's being very reasonable. He also was kind enough to warn the offending players of their petition-able actions prior to filling an official petition.
As null sec I do believe the rules would be not as well defined as if they are running missions in your space, then you are defending your space from invaders, regardless of where they go. If you are in their space, then you are hunting and disrupting hostile players, regardless of where they happen to go. Those are both very reasonable things to expect from a null sec PVP pilot and would not be petition-able.
Here is the common sense part, no GM will look at people following a miner who merely seeks to mine stuff as being the same as a PvP player following a PvP player with the intent to prevent him from getting a kill as part of his own play style of attempting to keep the supply lines to Jita clear while the other is seeking to destroy those supply lines.
If he tried to petition that I would expect the GM to have a coughing fit while muttering HTFU...,
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2597
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Posted - 2015.04.01 20:08:13 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Here is the common sense part, no GM will look at people following a miner who merely seeks to mine stuff as being the same as a PvP player
But they *are* a PvP player.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
A recent survey of applicants to CODE. corporations showed that 100% accepted James 315 as their saviour. You can't argue with facts.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
734
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Posted - 2015.04.01 20:23:55 -
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admiral root wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Here is the common sense part, no GM will look at people following a miner who merely seeks to mine stuff as being the same as a PvP player But they *are* a PvP player.
Well one of his corp mates petitioned the GM's on his behalf and was told that they make that distinction, so the OP and you are both wrong. I hope the player concerned just leaves it at that and does not petition against a threat of using the petition system to influence his game play, I would just laugh it off and I hope he does too, its a game after all.
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John E Normus
New Order Logistics CODE.
520
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Posted - 2015.04.02 01:01:37 -
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Dracvlad wrote:This mail was received by an Anti-ganker, sent by a bumper that he was keeping tabs on, I think we can all say its either a WTF moment or a troll, either way its rather funny. Quote:I would appreciate it if you would stop harassing me. Don't think I didn't notice you following me to Moniyyuku and all the way back to Amarr while trying to interfere with my gameplay and trying to rally people to do the same. If you've got beef with me for whatever reason, wardec my corp or gank me. I have not sent CCP a formal complaint, but if you keep behaving like this, I will.
Sincirely,
Redacted Minister, Ministry of Love, Goonswarm Federation
Reading this I was all like, lol-awww-lol-ffs-WAT!?!
I hope this is fan fiction...
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
568
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Posted - 2015.04.02 04:21:11 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:So in the bumper thread the GM stated that if the same ganker follows the same person from system to system he has reason to file a petition for possible harassment. Since the miner made the effort to move to a different system to get away from him and the fact that the ganker is just targeting him.
I would just like to point out the ganker can prolly do the same thing since you are following him from system to system interfering with his game play.
Never really thought about it that way around though.
Oh dear Kane, where do you come up with these inane theories? I mean from the end boss of Eve, or whatever, I expected a bit more thorough analysis. By definition you cannot be harassing players trying to commit criminal activity in highsec by foiling their evil plans. You are doing a public service, not harassment. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1481
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Posted - 2015.04.02 04:26:42 -
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o.O Back slowly away from the chicken Veers.
I keep a thoughtgun next to the bed, fully loaded with nerdshot. Just in case.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23399
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Posted - 2015.04.02 07:59:39 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Oh dear Kane, where do you come up with these inane theories? I mean from the end boss of Eve, or whatever, I expected a bit more thorough analysis. Coming from you, this is absolutely hilarious
Quote:By definition you cannot be harassing players trying to commit criminal activity in highsec by foiling their evil plans. You are doing a public service, not harassment. You mean criminal acts like mining without a permit?
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
544
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Posted - 2015.04.02 08:04:48 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:So in the bumper thread the GM stated that if the same ganker follows the same person from system to system he has reason to file a petition for possible harassment. Since the miner made the effort to move to a different system to get away from him and the fact that the ganker is just targeting him.
I would just like to point out the ganker can prolly do the same thing since you are following him from system to system interfering with his game play.
Never really thought about it that way around though. Oh dear Kane, where do you come up with these inane theories? I mean from the end boss of Eve, or whatever, I expected a bit more thorough analysis. By definition you cannot be harassing players trying to commit criminal activity in highsec by foiling their evil plans. You are doing a public service, not harassment. Bumping isn't a criminal activity.
The harassment is a special snowflake rule for miners. There aren't any rules like this when it comes to following haulers, wardec targets, space celebrities and the list goes on.
Just imagine James 315 rolling around in space in this day and age. Half of highsec would be tagging along system to system. Some for the photo-op, others for the pod.
There are all our dominion
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2685
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Posted - 2015.04.02 15:22:05 -
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I need a name so I can troll him mercilessly. |
Joan Miles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.02 16:48:55 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:I need a name so I can troll him mercilessly. +1 And please keep the chat logs or mails if you do. They will be priceless! |
SanZo Fengi
Harbingers of Chaos Inc Gentlemen's.Club
3
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Posted - 2015.04.02 19:56:55 -
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C&P still seems to be the cesspool of the forums... Keep it up! |
Paranoid Loyd
4485
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Posted - 2015.04.02 21:05:34 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:o.O Back slowly away from the chicken Veers. The blood and feathers are gone, it's just barbules and platelets now.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Noragen Neirfallas
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
88
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Posted - 2015.04.03 04:10:17 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
Oh dear Kane, where do you come up with these inane theories? I mean from the end boss of Eve, or whatever, I expected a bit more thorough analysis. By definition you cannot be harassing players trying to commit criminal activity in highsec by foiling their evil plans. You are doing a public service, not harassment.
I assume you have some sort of evidence to back up this rebuttal right?
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Vector Symian
0 Fear
608
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Posted - 2015.04.03 04:21:00 -
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Another symptom of a tip for tap system...it is escalating constantly |
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