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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2015.04.03 04:22:52 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
Oh dear Kane, where do you come up with these inane theories? I mean from the end boss of Eve, or whatever, I expected a bit more thorough analysis. By definition you cannot be harassing players trying to commit criminal activity in highsec by foiling their evil plans. You are doing a public service, not harassment.
I assume you have some sort of evidence to back up this rebuttal right?
The rules against harassment of miners are based on the idea that if someone comes to peacefully engage in solo PvE highsec play, griefers should not be able to chase him around, ruin his gameplay, and force him from the game.
Not so by bumpers, who engage with other players, and have no claim to desiring a peaceful solo existence. |
Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1213
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Posted - 2015.04.03 04:33:27 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
Oh dear Kane, where do you come up with these inane theories? I mean from the end boss of Eve, or whatever, I expected a bit more thorough analysis. By definition you cannot be harassing players trying to commit criminal activity in highsec by foiling their evil plans. You are doing a public service, not harassment.
I assume you have some sort of evidence to back up this rebuttal right? The rules against harassment of miners are based on the idea that if someone comes to peacefully engage in solo PvE highsec play, griefers should not be able to chase him around, ruin his gameplay, and force him from the game. Not so by bumpers, who engage with other players, and have no claim to desiring a peaceful solo existence.
HAH!
CCP wrote:CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic At least put some effort in your trolling Veers, you are slacking.
D.
STOP OPPRESSING MEEEEEEE
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
570
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Posted - 2015.04.03 04:35:01 -
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Danalee wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
Oh dear Kane, where do you come up with these inane theories? I mean from the end boss of Eve, or whatever, I expected a bit more thorough analysis. By definition you cannot be harassing players trying to commit criminal activity in highsec by foiling their evil plans. You are doing a public service, not harassment.
I assume you have some sort of evidence to back up this rebuttal right? The rules against harassment of miners are based on the idea that if someone comes to peacefully engage in solo PvE highsec play, griefers should not be able to chase him around, ruin his gameplay, and force him from the game. Not so by bumpers, who engage with other players, and have no claim to desiring a peaceful solo existence. HAH! CCP wrote:CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic At least put some effort in your trolling Veers, you are slacking. D.
Normal? Sure. But inherently interactive with others...hence no ability to complain of harassment.
Not so miners who eschew any player interaction, and can rightly complain when others spoil their game. |
Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1214
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Posted - 2015.04.03 06:05:56 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: Normal? Sure. But inherently interactive with others...hence no ability to complain of harassment. Not so miners who eschew any player interaction, and can rightly complain when others spoil their game.
Look, I'll give it another go, slow day at work;
You claim that if an action is inherently interactive with others, the player doing said action has no ability to complain of harassment. Correct? Please: yes or no answer.
If no: Please refrase your statement. If yes: Unless the miner finishes every mining action with a jettison and destruction of what he mined he is in fact inherently interactive with others. He decreases available ores, he changes market prices for everyone (albeit by small amounts but so does the ganker/bumper) he probably also sticks his T1 drones on rats again causing inflation/deflation depending on the situation.
So you actually say that miners shouln't whine as much and CCP should change their stance on what is harassment.
At least we agree on something.
D.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
735
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Posted - 2015.04.03 08:01:34 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Dracvlad wrote:~snip~ the AG's that I have seen look at an exploit used by the gankers (cough loot scooping) shrug and get on with it. ~snip~ Loot scooping is an exploit now? Citation needed, until then you're talking out of your arse.
This is a typical ganker whine, look at that, I mention this loot scooping that gankers do and the reaction of the anti-gankers was well based on the mechanics what else could CCP do and yet I am an arse for mentioning it, yes its an exploitation of a mechanic which cannot be changed by CCP because on the other basis it would enable gankers to drop stuff in a fleet hanger and cause them to go suspect and bang, so cry more please, whining about me not whining about it was so funny, post more garbage please.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
903
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Posted - 2015.04.03 18:28:37 -
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Ahahahahahaaa.. this is gold
1. Carebears complain about people following them around in the game and cry for help from CCP 2. CCP create a rule that following others around is considered harassment to calm down the carebears 3. Carebares start crying because it may now be consideret harassment when following people around
Did I miss something?
Ganking and bumping are considered normal gameplay, just like "anti-ganking". So feel free to continue harassing other players if you feel this rule does not apply to you because you think you are a special space sheriff. But don't come back crying if the ban hammer hits you in the face.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Froggy Storm
Paragon Trust The Bastion
353
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Posted - 2015.04.03 18:48:27 -
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Im clearly confused.
At no point in this was a miner sited by the OP and mail writer. It was an AG player right? A player activly engaged in direct oposition to another player. Taking actions across (presumably) a number of systems to stop another player from having any game play. So if a player following another in an effort to disrupt their game play may be harassment, then why is a person bumping a barge or freighter any different than when AG tries to do the same?
If it is good for the goose it should be good for the gander as the saying goes.
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Mag's
the united
19236
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Posted - 2015.04.03 21:29:00 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Dracvlad wrote:~snip~ the AG's that I have seen look at an exploit used by the gankers (cough loot scooping) shrug and get on with it. ~snip~ Loot scooping is an exploit now? Citation needed, until then you're talking out of your arse. This is a typical ganker whine, look at that, I mention this loot scooping that gankers do and the reaction of the anti-gankers was well based on the mechanics what else could CCP do and yet I am an arse for mentioning it, yes its an exploitation of a mechanic which cannot be changed by CCP because on the other basis it would enable gankers to drop stuff in a fleet hanger and cause them to go suspect and bang, so cry more please, whining about me not whining about it was so funny, post more garbage please. It was your use of the term exploit, that was frowned upon. And yes, I am fully aware of the dictionary usage of that word, but you know full well it's usage in regards to Eve. Which is why you used it.
At least have something original to troll over.
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23440
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Posted - 2015.04.04 00:33:12 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Dracvlad wrote:~snip~ the AG's that I have seen look at an exploit used by the gankers (cough loot scooping) shrug and get on with it. ~snip~ Loot scooping is an exploit now? Citation needed, until then you're talking out of your arse. This is a typical ganker whine, look at that, How wrong you are, ask pretty much any C&P regular about myself and how I play the game, not one will say that I'm a ganker. In fact I'm known for being the exact opposite.
Get your facts right instead of spouting ignorant crap.
Quote:mention this loot scooping that gankers do and the reaction of the anti-gankers was well based on the mechanics what else could CCP do and yet I am an arse for mentioning it, yes its an exploitation of a mechanic which cannot be changed by CCP because on the other basis it would enable gankers to drop stuff in a fleet hanger and cause them to go suspect and bang, It's not an exploit, and CCP can change it at any time if they feel like it .
Quote: so cry more please, whining about me not whining about it was so funny, post more garbage please. I think we'll leave that to you, your expertise at spewing forth uninformed shite is matched by few posters.
BTW Paragraphs and punctuation are important skills to have, I suggest you try utilising them.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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John E Normus
New Order Logistics CODE.
532
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Posted - 2015.04.04 02:14:07 -
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One time in Uedama we were transferring billions in material from a wreck to a fleet hangar using shuttles and noob ships. Every shuttle, noob ship, and not a few pods were systematically destroyed in what must have looked like a massacre to the triumphant white knights. Local chat was flooded with 0 isk and CONCORD killmails. Fleet morale plummeted. In the end we had to admit total defeat on comms. We had lost about 50,000 isk worth of shuttles and free noob ships and only gained several billion in material that we used to buy more ganking gear.
It was a dark day, let's not talk about loot scooping bitte
Between Ignorance and Wisdom
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
741
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Posted - 2015.04.04 15:31:37 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:]Loot scooping is an exploit now? Citation needed, until then you're talking out of your arse.
This is a typical ganker whine, look at that, How wrong you are. Ask pretty much any C&P regular about myself and how I play the game, not one will say that I'm a ganker. In fact I'm known for being the exact opposite. Quote:mention this loot scooping that gankers do and the reaction of the anti-gankers was well based on the mechanics what else could CCP do and yet I am an arse for mentioning it, yes its an exploitation of a mechanic which cannot be changed by CCP because on the other basis it would enable gankers to drop stuff in a fleet hanger and cause them to go suspect and bang, It's not an exploit and CCP can change it at any time if they feel like it . Quote: so cry more please, whining about me not whining about it was so funny, post more garbage please. I think we'll leave that to you, your expertise at spewing forth uninformed shite is matched by few posters. BTW Paragraphs and punctuation are important skills to have, I suggest you try utilising them.
Objective achieved by that post, umad sis?
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
741
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Posted - 2015.04.04 15:35:08 -
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John E Normus wrote:One time in Uedama we were transferring billions in material from a wreck to a fleet hangar using shuttles and noob ships. Every shuttle, noob ship, and not a few pods were systematically destroyed in what must have looked like a massacre to the triumphant white knights. Local chat was flooded with 0 isk and CONCORD killmails. Fleet morale plummeted. In the end we had to admit total defeat on comms. We had lost about 50,000 isk worth of shuttles and free noob ships and only gained several billion in material that we used to buy more ganking gear. It was a dark day, let's not talk about loot scooping bitte
Nice story, wonderfully told, but who are the white knights, don't know them?
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6534
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Posted - 2015.04.04 18:36:20 -
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Dracvlad wrote:This mail was received by an Anti-ganker, sent by a bumper that he was keeping tabs on, I think we can all say its either a WTF moment or a troll, either way its rather funny. Quote:I would appreciate it if you would stop harassing me. Don't think I didn't notice you following me to Moniyyuku and all the way back to Amarr while trying to interfere with my gameplay and trying to rally people to do the same. If you've got beef with me for whatever reason, wardec my corp or gank me. I have not sent CCP a formal complaint, but if you keep behaving like this, I will.
Sincirely,
Redacted Minister, Ministry of Love, Goonswarm Federation
People who can't handle emergent play might consider playing something else, a single player game perhaps.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
185
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Posted - 2015.04.04 19:47:44 -
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Reading through this thread was fun. ^_^
"Please do not file support tickets to ask if your support ticket will be answered soon." - Actual Quote.
"AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!" - Diana Kim
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Vector Symian
0 Fear
643
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Posted - 2015.04.04 23:32:10 -
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hmmm
instant popularity....let veers speak...
devilishly clever OP
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Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1229
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Posted - 2015.04.05 09:14:40 -
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Vector Symian wrote:hmmm instant popularity....let veers speak... devilishly clever OP
Sorry to use Godwin's on you but Adolf ****** wasn't known for being a popular dude...
D.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
931
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Posted - 2015.04.11 13:26:34 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Reading through this thread was fun. ^_^ So true.
Remove insurance.
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1562
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Posted - 2015.04.12 00:15:38 -
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This thread got bumped? April Fool's day was so 10 days ago.
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Drez Arthie
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2015.04.12 03:22:34 -
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Why is anyone surprised when the EVE devs turn a blind eye to, or even condone, in-game bullying? They got their start as PKers in UO. Some day another, equally deep sandbox game will be invented that does not require an underclass of mistreated players for the amusement of sociopaths. Then we can discuss what "sandbox" really means. |
Noragen Neirfallas
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
185
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Posted - 2015.04.12 03:32:49 -
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Drez Arthie wrote:Why is anyone surprised when the EVE devs turn a blind eye to, or even condone, in-game bullying? They got their start as PKers in UO. Some day another, equally deep sandbox game will be invented that does not require an underclass of mistreated players for the amusement of sociopaths. Then we can discuss what "sandbox" really means. So what your saying is you want a sandbox game and you also want everybody to be told to play it the same way...
Very entertaining
Much content
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Drez Arthie
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2015.04.12 04:38:13 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Drez Arthie wrote:Why is anyone surprised when the EVE devs turn a blind eye to, or even condone, in-game bullying? They got their start as PKers in UO. Some day another, equally deep sandbox game will be invented that does not require an underclass of mistreated players for the amusement of sociopaths. Then we can discuss what "sandbox" really means. So what your saying is you want a sandbox game and you also want everybody to be told to play it the same way...
No, I am saying that a sandbox game does not require everyone to play it in the way you play it. |
Vector Symian
0 Fear
739
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Posted - 2015.04.12 04:40:38 -
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Danalee wrote:Vector Symian wrote:hmmm instant popularity....let veers speak... devilishly clever OP Sorry to use Godwin's on you but Adolf ****** wasn't known for being a popular dude... D.
To be destroyed by the flavouring of words.. interesting...
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Noragen Neirfallas
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
186
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Posted - 2015.04.12 04:44:15 -
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Drez Arthie wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Drez Arthie wrote:Why is anyone surprised when the EVE devs turn a blind eye to, or even condone, in-game bullying? They got their start as PKers in UO. Some day another, equally deep sandbox game will be invented that does not require an underclass of mistreated players for the amusement of sociopaths. Then we can discuss what "sandbox" really means. So what your saying is you want a sandbox game and you also want everybody to be told to play it the same way... No, I am saying that a sandbox game does not require everyone to play it in the way you play it. you are mistaken on my intentions sir. I require many other people to play the game differently to me otherwise I would have nobody to pray upon. so currently eve seems to meet your criteria of 'a sandbox game does not require everyone to play it in the way you play it' So what is your complaint I've misunderstood it seems
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Rawmeat Mary
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
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Posted - 2015.04.12 06:56:37 -
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:Bumping isn't a criminal activity. It is if the Bumping Permit have not been duly paid for.
'If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skins onto their clothing.
And if we're very, very lucky, they'll do it in that order.'
Yeah, we're like that.
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1562
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Posted - 2015.04.12 13:52:59 -
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Drez Arthie wrote:Why is anyone surprised when the EVE devs turn a blind eye to, or even condone, in-game bullying? They got their start as PKers in UO. Some day another, equally deep sandbox game will be invented that does not require an underclass of mistreated players for the amusement of sociopaths. Then we can discuss what "sandbox" really means.
"Overlapping Playstyles" isn't a thing in your brain, is it?
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Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
1097
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Posted - 2015.04.12 19:05:17 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ask pretty much any C&P regular about myself and how I play the game, not one will say that I'm a ganker. In fact I'm known for being the exact opposite.]I think we'll leave that to you, your expertise at spewing forth uninformed shite is matched by few posters.
BTW Paragraphs and punctuation are important skills to have, I suggest you try utilising them. Of course we have to ask C&P regulars about how you play the game, because the character you post on and the corp he is in has no kills and no losses, you could be a carebear for all I know. So who do you believe, someone who posts on an alt (YOU) or someone who posts on their main (ME!) Cry more please, the only thing you have left is to be a grammar n a z i , pathetic...
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahajajajajajajajajaahahahahahahahahahahaha! Jonah an alt! Jonah a ganker! Ajaahahahahahahahahahahaha! Keep typing this is golden. You should really read up more on people before you toss accusations around. You're just demonstrating your ignorance of the people you are talking about. |
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