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Nomistrav
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.01 17:15:07 -
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Formalizing a proposition to put together an Strike Force with the sole intention of removing the Drifter threat until we can further understand their motives and objectives. We know for a fact that they are hostile in the right conditions and whatever they are harvesting corpses for, with the aid of the Sleepers, can't be good.
That being said, I'm offering my combat experience to the mix as well and ask that my fellow Capsuleers join me in this endeavor as it will surely take a great deal of coordination and firepower to actively engage and strike out against them. I will also join any coordinated effort to engage the Drifter threat that is within my capabilities.
Further more, I cannot expect that any capsuleer would risk their engagements and endeavors for free. As such I am formally requesting CONCORD to escalate the Drifters' notoriety in the form of standardized bounties. Until such an event occurs, I myself am offering what I can: 10,000,000 ISK for each confirmed Drifter kill. I encourage others to offer what they can to increase the incentive toward this movement.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
6794
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Posted - 2015.04.01 17:15:56 -
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What sort of confirmation will you accept?
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Nomistrav
Aliastra Gallente Federation
303
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Posted - 2015.04.01 17:19:05 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:What sort of confirmation will you accept?
I'm not certain that they're applicable to known kill report formats, so I will accept camera drone snapshots of before and after engagement (you will need to show the Drifter being actively engaged as well as a wreck). Video recordings are also perfectly acceptable.
One last form of confirmation is to include me in your fleet activities during the battle, with which I can confirm with on-site video recording myself.
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Pod and Planet Fiction Contest YC114
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
559
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Posted - 2015.04.01 17:19:07 -
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Not a moment too soon, as far as I'm concerned. |
Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
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Posted - 2015.04.01 17:26:22 -
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While I am not yet ready to risk my personal assets to engage the Drifter threat as I would not be of much use, I am in the process of forming a team within Toralen Industries to study Drifter activities. As such, if anyone is willing to, please send me a message with the location of a engagement sight with the Drifters, Sleepers, or Sansha's Nation and the location of one of the battle-sites between Sansha's Nation and the Sleepers in Gallente, Amarr, or Caldari Space. I thank anyone who sends me one of these locations. Also, please make sure that these locations are clear before sending me a link.
We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
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Natheniel
Mostly Sober The Bastard Cartel
0
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Posted - 2015.04.01 17:42:59 -
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I would be very much interested in being involved in some anti-drifter activity and study. |
Quattras Peione
Gentlemen of Fortune.
75
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Posted - 2015.04.01 20:55:34 -
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I have until now advocated moderation and patience regarding the Drifters. However their harvesting of capsuleer corpses is, to put it mildly, disconcerting, and indicates that they intend to grow vastly in numbers. If the Vigilant Tyrannos were able to make functional bodies out of an assortment of Jovian body parts several years old (as I believe we may now freely surmise), I shudder to think what they could manage with their bounty of fresh biomass. The men and women of 4TUNA are currently engaged in a defensive blockade of our own space and cannot spare the resources necessary to contribute to aggressive action. That said, we fully endorse this course of action. Cold Wind be with you, pilots. |
Soldarius
Kosher Nostra The 99 Percent
1226
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Posted - 2015.04.02 14:36:35 -
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Good luck with this considering there is no subcapital ship that can withstand the Drifter super-weapon. Although I heard you can potentially outrange them.
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Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
314
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Posted - 2015.04.02 15:46:24 -
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Soldarius wrote:Good luck with this considering there is no subcapital ship that can withstand the Drifter super-weapon. Although I heard you can potentially outrange them. The obvious solution is to assemble a fleet big enough to take a drifter out before he manages to use his superweapon. Defence against the Sansha raids shows us that this goal is easily accessible with enough incentive.
Show the eggers where the ISK are, and they'll swarm the poor thing in seconds.
But not for ten million, I'm afraid. More like at least 100. |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
569
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Posted - 2015.04.02 16:21:20 -
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Jade Blackwind wrote:Soldarius wrote:Good luck with this considering there is no subcapital ship that can withstand the Drifter super-weapon. Although I heard you can potentially outrange them. The obvious solution is to assemble a fleet big enough to take a drifter out before he manages to use his superweapon. Defence against the Sansha raids shows us that this goal is easily accessible with enough incentive. Show the eggers where the ISK are, and they'll swarm the poor thing in seconds. But not for ten million, I'm afraid. More like at least 100.
Drifter technology makes this problematic. Their ships have two independent layers of energy shielding, and they seem to favor the tactic of deploying their "Doomsday" superweapon when the first layer is breached. I haven't heard of any tactics able to successfully prevent the superweapon's use. Fleets engaging Drifter Battleships do so with the expectation of sacrificing at least one of their number when the superweapon is fired, not to mention the powerful "Lux Kontos" main weapon system. |
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Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
314
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Posted - 2015.04.02 17:10:21 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:Drifter technology makes this problematic. Their ships have two independent layers of energy shielding, and they seem to favor the tactic of deploying their "Doomsday" superweapon when the first layer is breached. I haven't heard of any tactics able to successfully prevent the superweapon's use. Fleets engaging Drifter Battleships do so with the expectation of sacrificing at least one of their number when the superweapon is fired, not to mention the powerful "Lux Kontos" main weapon system. Send forward a fully insured sacrificial brick-tanked, T1 meta fitted bait that engages, neuts and ECMs the drifter, drawing his attention. Everyone launch all drones so he'd have a swarm of target signatures coming in from all directions. I am sure there is a way to do it with minimal loss. The risk is high, but that's why we need the reward to cover the cost of an insured battleship, at least. |
Nomistrav
Aliastra Gallente Federation
305
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Posted - 2015.04.02 18:21:24 -
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Jade Blackwind wrote:Rinai Vero wrote:Drifter technology makes this problematic. Their ships have two independent layers of energy shielding, and they seem to favor the tactic of deploying their "Doomsday" superweapon when the first layer is breached. I haven't heard of any tactics able to successfully prevent the superweapon's use. Fleets engaging Drifter Battleships do so with the expectation of sacrificing at least one of their number when the superweapon is fired, not to mention the powerful "Lux Kontos" main weapon system. Send forward a fully insured sacrificial brick-tanked, T1 meta fitted bait that engages, neuts and ECMs the drifter, drawing his attention. Everyone launch all drones so he'd have a swarm of target signatures coming in from all directions. I am sure there is a way to do it with minimal loss. The risk is high, but that's why we need the reward to cover the cost of an insured battleship, at least.
Drifters, according to witness statements, are selective in their targeting. Sending anything at them with the intent to "bait" them is problematic because they often eliminate low-value ships in order to accumulate - sacrifice, rather - their first layer of defense to high DPS targets. Once that layer is gone they use the superweapon on the remaining ships. Its actually quite ingenious.
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Pod and Planet Fiction Contest YC114
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Nomistrav
Aliastra Gallente Federation
305
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Posted - 2015.04.02 18:23:23 -
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I'd like to also take a moment to formally recognize and appreciate the corporation Overload Everything for taking the time and effort to destroy a drifter through the use of a rather powerful fleet. This should be a reminder to everyone that what we are dealing with is by no means to be taken lightly, as this camera drone snapshot illustrates quite clearly.
You're performing a great service.
Third Place Winner
Pod and Planet Fiction Contest YC114
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Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights of Polaris
418
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Posted - 2015.04.02 19:06:24 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:Jade Blackwind wrote:Soldarius wrote:Good luck with this considering there is no subcapital ship that can withstand the Drifter super-weapon. Although I heard you can potentially outrange them. The obvious solution is to assemble a fleet big enough to take a drifter out before he manages to use his superweapon. Defence against the Sansha raids shows us that this goal is easily accessible with enough incentive. Show the eggers where the ISK are, and they'll swarm the poor thing in seconds. But not for ten million, I'm afraid. More like at least 100. Drifter technology makes this problematic. Their ships have two independent layers of energy shielding, and they seem to favor the tactic of deploying their "Doomsday" superweapon when the first layer is breached. I haven't heard of any tactics able to successfully prevent the superweapon's use. Fleets engaging Drifter Battleships do so with the expectation of sacrificing at least one of their number when the superweapon is fired, not to mention the powerful "Lux Kontos" main weapon system.
In regards to this trigger which causes the Drifter ships to utilize their "Doomsday" superweapon.
Have any fleets considered or attempted conducting a primary attack using energy vampires, and electronic warfare? Perhaps in order to destabilize them before heavy attack elements engage the target?
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Jennifer Starfall
Repracor Industries
119
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Posted - 2015.04.02 21:04:35 -
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Noden Vorpalstar wrote: In regards to this trigger which causes the Drifter ships to utilize their "Doomsday" superweapon.
Have any fleets considered or attempted conducting a primary attack using energy vampires, and electronic warfare? Perhaps in order to destabilize them before heavy attack elements engage the target?
Mr. Vorpalstar,
Various types of ewar have been attempted against the Drifter battleships.
They do have what appears to be the equivalent of a capacitor, but it is quite large, and I don't seem to recall seeing draining it having any effect on the use of its super weapon.
The most effective type of ewar against the use of the superweapon has been ECM jammers. If the battleship is jammed at the time that the super weapon would trigger, i.e. when the first shield is defeated, the super weapon will not fire. Given the unreliable nature of ECM jammers, this is not a guaranteed counter, but the most "reliable" one.
Evidence shows that the sensor suite on the battleship corresponds to a multispectral one.
Jennifer Starfall
Media & Communications, Chief Diplomat
Repracor Industries
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1660
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Posted - 2015.04.02 22:39:17 -
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Nomistrav wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:What sort of confirmation will you accept? I'm not certain that they're applicable to known kill report formats, so I will accept camera drone snapshots of before and after engagement (you will need to show the Drifter being actively engaged as well as a wreck). Video recordings are also perfectly acceptable. One last form of confirmation is to include me in your fleet activities during the battle, with which I can confirm with on-site video recording myself. Watch out though about Makoto Priano, she is a well known liar and disgraced person. Her "confirmations" could be easily forged. |
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
33790
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Posted - 2015.04.02 22:41:08 -
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This is interesting, I have a contact that might be interested by this. I shall forward it to her.
Why do bad threads happen to good people?
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Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights of Polaris
418
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Posted - 2015.04.03 00:38:39 -
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Jennifer Starfall wrote: Mr. Vorpalstar,
Various types of ewar have been attempted against the Drifter battleships.
They do have what appears to be the equivalent of a capacitor, but it is quite large, and I don't seem to recall seeing draining it having any effect on the use of its super weapon.
The most effective type of ewar against the use of the superweapon has been ECM jammers. If the battleship is jammed at the time that the super weapon would trigger, i.e. when the first shield is defeated, the super weapon will not fire. Given the unreliable nature of ECM jammers, this is not a guaranteed counter, but the most "reliable" one.
Evidence shows that the sensor suite on the battleship corresponds to a multispectral one.
Ms. Starfall,
I appreciate your educated insight regarding the use of electronic warfare modules against the Drifter ships.
I have yet to encounter any of these beings personally, and as such my knowledge about them is limited to the reports, studies, and camera drone imagery that has been made available.
I am interested if anyone has managed to collect any remains of their ships intact, so as to reverse engineer their technology. If so one can be certain that such research would remain classified.
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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
197
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Posted - 2015.04.03 05:01:53 -
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To be honest as an Industrialist I am interested in this Antikythera Element.
However have been having difficulties even locating seekers or drifters to crack them open.
Otherwise on a further note, we (my corp) has heard of and developed the Cerberus kiting Hac for engaging Drifter Battleships.
I would be willing to vouch for my maybe offering limited SRP ability in exchange for this element. |
Captain Davison
Malachi Keep Detachments
22
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Posted - 2015.04.03 12:32:49 -
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Jade Blackwind wrote:Rinai Vero wrote:Drifter technology makes this problematic. Their ships have two independent layers of energy shielding, and they seem to favor the tactic of deploying their "Doomsday" superweapon when the first layer is breached. I haven't heard of any tactics able to successfully prevent the superweapon's use. Fleets engaging Drifter Battleships do so with the expectation of sacrificing at least one of their number when the superweapon is fired, not to mention the powerful "Lux Kontos" main weapon system. Send forward a fully insured sacrificial brick-tanked, T1 meta fitted bait that engages, neuts and ECMs the drifter, drawing his attention. Everyone launch all drones so he'd have a swarm of target signatures coming in from all directions. I am sure there is a way to do it with minimal loss. The risk is high, but that's why we need the reward to cover the cost of an insured battleship, at least.
They're at least as smart (probably smarter) than most capsuleers when it comes to targeting. They can tell when you're baiting them and will go for the biggest threat on the field rather than a sacrificial target. They can analyze fits to an extent and modify what they deem biggest threat based off of changing conditions, leading to them being un-fooled by most tricks used against pirate faction ships. (but let's face it, most pirates are drugged out of their minds) |
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Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
7
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Posted - 2015.04.03 18:04:05 -
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Indeed these Drifters do seem to be quite intelligent, and a very dangerous foe if I may say so myself. An interesting option I recently thought up would be the use of Energy Vampires. Say you sent in a Assault Fleet, bringing down the Drifters shields. You then send a fleet with a large number of high-level energy vampires, draining the ship. It is possible you may be able to stop or at least delay the ships superweapon with enough draining. Also, you should read this Feeding a Drifter. It is a very, very interesting article, one we may be able to look into and could lead to some new revelations so we can eventually destroy this threat, or at least reduce its magnitude.
As for now, I will continue to study these Drifters and data on engagements with the threat, and also succesful strategies and so on. Also, please do send me a message of the location of a cleared out drifter sight.
We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1660
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Posted - 2015.04.03 22:14:54 -
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Nomistrav wrote:Formalizing a proposition to put together an Strike Force with the sole intention of removing the Drifter threat until we can further understand their motives and objectives. We know for a fact that they are hostile in the right conditions and whatever they are harvesting corpses for, with the aid of the Sleepers, can't be good. That being said, I'm offering my combat experience to the mix as well and ask that my fellow Capsuleers join me in this endeavor as it will surely take a great deal of coordination and firepower to actively engage and strike out against them. I will also join any coordinated effort to engage the Drifter threat that is within my capabilities. Further more, I cannot expect that any capsuleer would risk their engagements and endeavors for free. As such I am formally requesting CONCORD to escalate the Drifters' notoriety in the form of standardized bounties. Until such an event occurs, I myself am offering what I can: 10,000,000 ISK for each confirmed Drifter kill. I encourage others to offer what they can to increase the incentive toward this movement. UPDATE: A formal thank you toward the alliance, Overload Everything, for fielding their own fleet and destroying a Drifter recently. Leave drifters alone.
They don't look like attacking or damaging anything, unlike Gallenteans from gallente federation or these flesh drones from Sansha nation. The only strike forces we need, are against Gallente Federation and Sansha Nation. They are the real threat to sentient life in the cluster, not drifters. |
Nomistrav
Aliastra Gallente Federation
307
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Posted - 2015.04.04 03:38:43 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Nomistrav wrote:Formalizing a proposition to put together an Strike Force with the sole intention of removing the Drifter threat until we can further understand their motives and objectives. We know for a fact that they are hostile in the right conditions and whatever they are harvesting corpses for, with the aid of the Sleepers, can't be good. That being said, I'm offering my combat experience to the mix as well and ask that my fellow Capsuleers join me in this endeavor as it will surely take a great deal of coordination and firepower to actively engage and strike out against them. I will also join any coordinated effort to engage the Drifter threat that is within my capabilities. Further more, I cannot expect that any capsuleer would risk their engagements and endeavors for free. As such I am formally requesting CONCORD to escalate the Drifters' notoriety in the form of standardized bounties. Until such an event occurs, I myself am offering what I can: 10,000,000 ISK for each confirmed Drifter kill. I encourage others to offer what they can to increase the incentive toward this movement. UPDATE: A formal thank you toward the alliance, Overload Everything, for fielding their own fleet and destroying a Drifter recently. Leave drifters alone. They don't look like attacking or damaging anything, unlike Gallenteans from gallente federation or these flesh drones from Sansha nation. The only strike forces we need, are against Gallente Federation and Sansha Nation. They are the real threat to sentient life in the cluster, not drifters.
The only real threat to sentient life is the ramblings of the insane who make accusations and proclamations without base or evidence save for the shallow, cherry-picked, bigoted appeals to rally.
Take your insanity away from me and my associates, least you incur the wrath of a man with nothing but time, finances, and uncontrollable anger.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1664
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Posted - 2015.04.04 07:43:29 -
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Nomistrav wrote: The only real threat to sentient life is the ramblings of the insane who make accusations and proclamations without base or evidence save for the shallow, cherry-picked, bigoted appeals to rally.
Take your insanity away from me and my associates, least you incur the wrath of a man with nothing but time, finances, and uncontrollable anger.
Oh, so you are a gallentean bootlicker then? No one else would call facts as "insanity", that's typical gallentean rant. You won't be able to deny truth here, and will be dealt with as any other enemy of civilization and humanity. |
Nomistrav
Aliastra Gallente Federation
307
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Posted - 2015.04.04 12:13:11 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Nomistrav wrote: The only real threat to sentient life is the ramblings of the insane who make accusations and proclamations without base or evidence save for the shallow, cherry-picked, bigoted appeals to rally.
Take your insanity away from me and my associates, least you incur the wrath of a man with nothing but time, finances, and uncontrollable anger.
Oh, so you are a gallentean bootlicker then? No one else would call facts as "insanity", that's typical gallentean rant. You won't be able to deny truth here, and will be dealt with as any other enemy of civilization and humanity.
I am an Intaki independant with no loyalties or affiliations to anyone but myself and the people of Intaki. Feel free to make your ancestors proud by putting metal where your mouth is. I'm sure the patriots would like another martyr.
I'll be waiting in the usual locations.
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Pod and Planet Fiction Contest YC114
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Tykari
The Observatory Celestial Imperative
169
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Posted - 2015.04.04 12:49:30 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Nomistrav wrote:Formalizing a proposition to put together an Strike Force with the sole intention of removing the Drifter threat until we can further understand their motives and objectives. We know for a fact that they are hostile in the right conditions and whatever they are harvesting corpses for, with the aid of the Sleepers, can't be good. That being said, I'm offering my combat experience to the mix as well and ask that my fellow Capsuleers join me in this endeavor as it will surely take a great deal of coordination and firepower to actively engage and strike out against them. I will also join any coordinated effort to engage the Drifter threat that is within my capabilities. Further more, I cannot expect that any capsuleer would risk their engagements and endeavors for free. As such I am formally requesting CONCORD to escalate the Drifters' notoriety in the form of standardized bounties. Until such an event occurs, I myself am offering what I can: 10,000,000 ISK for each confirmed Drifter kill. I encourage others to offer what they can to increase the incentive toward this movement. UPDATE: A formal thank you toward the alliance, Overload Everything, for fielding their own fleet and destroying a Drifter recently. Leave drifters alone. They don't look like attacking or damaging anything, unlike Gallenteans from gallente federation or these flesh drones from Sansha nation. The only strike forces we need, are against Gallente Federation and Sansha Nation. They are the real threat to sentient life in the cluster, not drifters. I would like to point out that Sansha's Nation was long ignored as a threat untill suddenly they started invading Empire space. Afterall they were mostly confined to their own space and didn't agress much unless you attacked them.
I'd be wary about the Drifters. Their actions aren't random and they are dangerous. We know very little about them or what exactly they are planning. They have ignored all attempts at communication and have no trouble eliminating us when we try to understand what exactly they are up to. We have to be careful we don't make the same mistake twice, because with the Drifter such a mistake could mean the destruction of New Eden as we know it.
In this dark void we are like brilliant stars, holding within us both the creative and destructive power to bring a new dawn upon worlds or plunge them into eternal darkness.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1667
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Posted - 2015.04.04 14:46:50 -
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Nomistrav wrote: I am an Intaki independant with no loyalties or affiliations to anyone but myself and the people of Intaki. Feel free to make your ancestors proud by putting metal where your mouth is. I'm sure the patriots would like another martyr.
I'll be waiting in the usual locations.
"Usual locations" for gallente or their bootlicking Intaki lapdogs is shaking under the bed, when Caldari boots are marching nearby. I am not in the mood chasing a forum loudmouth all over the cluster, I have better things to do.
But if you really wish to die, I am staying in Kurala constellation lately. When you will be there - ping my neocom to see if I am available to splat you all over station walls, or busy killing something more significant. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1667
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Posted - 2015.04.04 14:51:39 -
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Tykari wrote: I would like to point out that Sansha's Nation was long ignored as a threat untill suddenly they started invading Empire space. Afterall they were mostly confined to their own space and didn't agress much unless you attacked them.
I'd be wary about the Drifters. Their actions aren't random and they are dangerous. We know very little about them or what exactly they are planning. They have ignored all attempts at communication and have no trouble eliminating us when we try to understand what exactly they are up to. We have to be careful we don't make the same mistake twice, because with the Drifter such a mistake could mean the destruction of New Eden as we know it.
I see what you are saying. Yet Sansha keep uplifting peoples from planets. Gallenteans keep occupying our worlds and Caldari Prime. While the drifters just sit there...
Count of victims by hands of Sansha and Gallente keep rising every day. Victims of drifters so far only those, who are attacking them. |
Nomistrav
Aliastra Gallente Federation
307
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Posted - 2015.04.04 19:40:18 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Nomistrav wrote: I am an Intaki independant with no loyalties or affiliations to anyone but myself and the people of Intaki. Feel free to make your ancestors proud by putting metal where your mouth is. I'm sure the patriots would like another martyr.
I'll be waiting in the usual locations.
"Usual locations" for gallente or their bootlicking Intaki lapdogs is shaking under the bed, when Caldari boots are marching nearby. I am not in the mood chasing a forum loudmouth all over the cluster, I have better things to do. But if you really wish to die, I am staying in Kurala constellation lately. When you will be there - ping my neocom to see if I am available to splat you all over station walls, or busy killing something more significant.
You'd do well to acknowledge that many of those Intaki are Caldari sympathizers and you insult them as well with your rampant ignorance.
Thank you for telling me your general location - should be enough to narrow down where you here in the next few hours. I'll be sure the mercenaries give my warmest regards when they blockade you into the station.
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Pod and Planet Fiction Contest YC114
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Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
853
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Posted - 2015.04.04 21:39:53 -
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Tykari wrote: I would like to point out that Sansha's Nation was long ignored as a threat untill suddenly they started invading Empire space. Afterall they were mostly confined to their own space and didn't agress much unless you attacked them.
Conveniently leaving out the part where the Empires attacked first.
Come to think of it, you lot were also the first to open fire on the sleepers as well. And now it seems the sleepers have woken up and brought friend's. I am detecting a pattern. |
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