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Aliah Proudmoore
The Dragon Hoard
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Posted - 2015.04.02 01:22:10 -
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Looks like a good change to me. 10MN Confessor will still be perfectly doable but you will have to give up some damage or tank for it. Fitting where you need to make sacrifices is much more fun. Currently its almost just a case of whacking on whatever you want and it pretty much fits. |
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
1112
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Posted - 2015.04.02 02:04:22 -
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i'm still not enamored with the T2 resists, seems like a T2 thing too me, also the really high bonuses for each mode looks like too much.
Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists.
ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic, nerf sentries.
Nerf web strength ..... Make the blaster eagle worth using please.
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Strangelove Utama
The Maythorn
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Posted - 2015.04.02 02:08:16 -
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Fantastic that the devs are listening and are prepared to make small balance changes as they need them rather than wait for months before doing anything. +1 from me. |
Capqu
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1092
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Posted - 2015.04.02 02:11:56 -
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think the speed on the confessor is a bit overkill
good to see changes none the less
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
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Posted - 2015.04.02 02:12:01 -
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What a shame nerf |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
214
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Posted - 2015.04.02 02:18:48 -
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What's the reasoning on why the confessor was nerfed even harder than the svipul? Unless the powergrid change hits the svipul much harder than the confessor. There is that, I suppose. Still, the fact that one got an agility nerf and the other did not, is odd. |
Escobar Slim III
YOLOSWAGHASHTAGDOLLARBILLZSWIMMINGPOOLICECREAMS
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Posted - 2015.04.02 02:48:20 -
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
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Posted - 2015.04.02 03:18:51 -
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i think you overnerfed the grid on the confessor. If you compare the powerlevel of them both they don't deserve equal treatment IMO
how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1463
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Posted - 2015.04.02 03:32:16 -
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Bienator II wrote:i think you overnerfed the grid on the confessor. If you compare the powerlevel of them both they don't deserve equal treatment IMO
The whole point is to kill 10mn AB fits. It doesn't matter how they compare to each other in that regard.
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.04.02 03:33:24 -
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Harvey James wrote:i'm still not enamored with the T2 resists, seems like a T2 thing too me, also the really high bonuses for each mode looks like too much.
The base resist profile could stand a tweek, but the really high bonuses in each mode is kind of the point of the ship.
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Torei Dutalis
IceBox Inc. Lasers Are Magic
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Posted - 2015.04.02 03:38:45 -
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Just doing some quick numbers on my personal fits, the biggest nerf here is the speed and agility nerf to the confessor, by a _long_ shot. If we are looking at usage metrics the svipul is being used more than twice as much as the confessor is at least from looking at zkill. This would seem to indicate the svipul is a much bigger problem ship. From a personal perspective the main issue I see with the svipul is that it just does _too much damage_ comparatively. It is easily pushing cruiser level dps with a decent tank and a tiny pricetag.
The confessor is going to be much _much_ less nimble than before which may see a significant drop in its usage (alas sweet confessor you will dance no more), but the svipul is still going to be a monster of a brawler. As has been mentioned, lasers and armor tanks are very PG intensive so the relatively even ending numbers on these two ships don't make a lot of sense. In fact, I don't feel these numbers probably go far enough to curtail current fits (they don't change mine a lot fitting wise). In addition, the cost increase seems laughable. Why would I ever spend 25mil on an assault frigate when I can get one of these for 50? If these ships were more on the order of 100mil you would definitely see some price balance kick in.
Overall would like to see a little more batting of the svipul, and maybe a little less on the confessor, but a good start. |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.04.02 03:45:15 -
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The Sabre is more used than the Heretic.
That has a lot to do with why the Svipul is used more than the Confessor.
If you look at them both individually, they have a roughly 10 to 1 kill to death ratio. They're in pretty much the same place.
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Zakatka Night
675
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Posted - 2015.04.02 03:46:34 -
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nerf 10mn ab please - they give too much speed and are immune to scramble |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1464
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Posted - 2015.04.02 03:49:04 -
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Zakatka Night wrote:nerf 10mn ab please - they give too much speed and are immune to scramble
Think about what you just said.
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PanykButton
SergalJerk Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.04.02 03:49:53 -
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I mean, call me crazy, but wasn't the initial price goal 40m isk? |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1464
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Posted - 2015.04.02 03:51:54 -
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PanykButton wrote:I mean, call me crazy, but wasn't the initial price goal 40m isk?
IIRC, 60 mil.
And plenty of people said they were insane for thinking that once the build requirements were revealed.
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
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Posted - 2015.04.02 03:59:40 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Bienator II wrote:i think you overnerfed the grid on the confessor. If you compare the powerlevel of them both they don't deserve equal treatment IMO The whole point is to kill 10mn AB fits. It doesn't matter how they compare to each other in that regard. it does
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1464
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Posted - 2015.04.02 04:03:36 -
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Bienator II wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Bienator II wrote:i think you overnerfed the grid on the confessor. If you compare the powerlevel of them both they don't deserve equal treatment IMO The whole point is to kill 10mn AB fits. It doesn't matter how they compare to each other in that regard. it does
The Confessor will have more PG than the Svipul and will be able to fit Guns, Prop, and Tank with proper skills. What's the problem?
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Torei Dutalis
IceBox Inc. Lasers Are Magic
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Posted - 2015.04.02 04:06:43 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:The Sabre is more used than the Heretic.
That has a lot to do with why the Svipul is used more than the Confessor.
If you look at them both individually, they have a roughly 10 to 1 kill to death ratio. They're in pretty much the same place.
The sabre is better than the heretic??? The margins between those two ships are more extreme than the svipul and confessor by the way. There are also ships with higher success ratios than both of the t3 destroyers *cough* mordu ships *cough* but those are clearly balanced. |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.04.02 04:09:53 -
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Torei Dutalis wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:The Sabre is more used than the Heretic.
That has a lot to do with why the Svipul is used more than the Confessor.
If you look at them both individually, they have a roughly 10 to 1 kill to death ratio. They're in pretty much the same place. The sabre is better than the heretic??? The margins between those two ships are more extreme than the svipul and confessor by the way. There are also ships with higher success ratios than both of the t3 destroyers *cough* mordu ships *cough* but those are clearly balanced.
The Sabre is more used than the Heretic. Never said it was better.
EDIT: Actually, I take this back. Interdictors kill way more than they lose.
Faction ships have nothing to do with this discussion.
Anything else?
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Torei Dutalis
IceBox Inc. Lasers Are Magic
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Posted - 2015.04.02 04:17:57 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:
The Sabre is more used than the Heretic.
That has a lot to do with why the Svipul is used more than the Confessor.
Explain
Ned Thomas wrote:If you look at them both individually, they have a roughly 10 to 1 kill to death ratio.
This brings in any ship's effectiveness really.
Just to clarify.
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1700
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Posted - 2015.04.02 04:50:18 -
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Well that's.. Harsh, to say the least!
I completely agree about the price change, but the rebanlance here? Not so much. Saying that T3Ds were able to fit 10MN a bit too easily is quite false as these choices where made at the cost of the ability to fit the best guns. Or by fitting autocannons, but I'd like to remind you that the svipul was never made for ACs, which is by itself another drawback.
I do understand the need to tune them down, but while I flew them a lot, in practice I never thought there were "OP". We are talking about the only T2 destroyer really made for (and only viable in) combat. OF COURSE they are a bit more powerful that interdictors, otherwise what's the point?
The good thing about T3 dessies is that they are... dessies. You cannot blob with them and expect to steamroll everything, simply because they do not win as much against larger ships. With the enthosis stuff happening soon, I can understand that they become a concern... But that's still harsh
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Prometheus Exenthal
mnemonic.
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Posted - 2015.04.02 04:51:11 -
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The Confessor changes are *okay*. I'd much prefer the ship to be slower still.
The Svipul changes are a joke. The grid nerf does very little other than hinder artillery fits. AC fits are still broken as ****. The speed nerf is laughable. What is that, 10% when overloaded in speed mode? The Svipul needs to be SLAPPED.
Perhaps the more important question is, what the hell are these ships supposed to be comparable to? Even @ 50mil, the insurance payout makes them comparable to T1 Cruisers (with T2 mods), which other than a gimp fit, are woefully inept when it comes to taking on even a single T3D.
Hell, even with dual webs, a vanilla Svipul can still chug along @ 400+m/s in defensive mode No cruiser is tracking that.
And you want to give us more? Keep the nerfs coming.
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Triksterism
Disconnect.
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Posted - 2015.04.02 04:55:14 -
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Prometheus Exenthal wrote:The Confessor changes are *okay*. I'd much prefer the ship to be slower still.
The Svipul changes are a joke. The grid nerf does very little other than hinder artillery fits. AC fits are still broken as ****. The speed nerf is laughable. What is that, 10% when overloaded in speed mode? The Svipul needs to be SLAPPED.
Perhaps the more important question is, what the hell are these ships supposed to be comparable to? Even @ 50mil, the insurance payout makes them comparable to T1 Cruisers (with T2 mods), which other than a gimp fit, are woefully inept when it comes to taking on even a single T3D.
Hell, even with dual webs, a vanilla Svipul can still chug along @ 400+m/s in defensive mode No cruiser is tracking that.
And you want to give us more? Keep the nerfs coming.
This ^^^ to be honest.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/30dr3i/svipul_is_balanced/ |
Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
103
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Posted - 2015.04.02 05:12:13 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Drew Li wrote:Slightly off topic, but could you add a rig that reduces the powergrid of propulsion modules? That could allow a handful of ships to fit oversized prop mods, possibly even 100mn battlecruisers. That would still allow 10mn T3 destroyers, but they would be giving up rig slots to do so. The rigs would have to be more effective than stacking on a bunch of current routers and reactor controls to get grid. ..............you can't be serious.
I think he's serious.
He can't be tho?
He is.
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Tear Jar
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
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Posted - 2015.04.02 05:49:39 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Much needed tweaks. Cant wait until tomorrow so I can believe them. CCP Fozzie wrote:We're also increasing the build requirements of both of these ships to bring them closer to our original target price and to help ensure that the value you get for the cost of the ship is reasonable.
Still trying to balance with price huh... thought you learned that lesson..
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Spugg Galdon
Nisroc Angels
646
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Posted - 2015.04.02 06:13:09 -
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I guess I was abusing the shite out of these hulls then seems as almost all of my fits are now impossible.
Sigh, guess it was needed |
Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
103
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Posted - 2015.04.02 06:20:56 -
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Prometheus Exenthal wrote:The Confessor changes are *okay*. I'd much prefer the ship to be slower still.
The Svipul changes are a joke. The grid nerf does very little other than hinder artillery fits. AC fits are still broken as ****. The speed nerf is laughable. What is that, 10% when overloaded in speed mode? The Svipul needs to be SLAPPED.
Perhaps the more important question is, what the hell are these ships supposed to be comparable to? Even @ 50mil, the insurance payout makes them comparable to T1 Cruisers (with T2 mods), which other than a gimp fit, are woefully inept when it comes to taking on even a single T3D.
Hell, even with dual webs, a vanilla Svipul can still chug along @ 400+m/s in defensive mode No cruiser is tracking that.
And you want to give us more? Keep the nerfs coming.
Have to agree with this fine gentleman regarding the Sviipul - Even with the PG reduction, I think 10MN AB with the smallest caliber ACs is still possible with a good/great tank to boot.
Someone run the numbers, please.
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1700
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Posted - 2015.04.02 06:37:51 -
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Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:Have to agree with this fine gentleman regarding the Sviipul - Even with the PG reduction, I think 10MN AB with the smallest caliber ACs is still possible with a good/great tank to boot.
The whole point of AC is to not use much powergrid. The only way to make AC svipuls very hard to fit would be to make Arty IMPOSSIBLE to fit.
I'd like to point out that ACs have a meh theoretical DPS and an even more meh actual DPS. But at least it hits most of the time.
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Vlad Vladimir Vladinovsky
Black Iron Foundries Interstellar Solutions
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Posted - 2015.04.02 06:55:16 -
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God dammit CCP, why did you increase the cap recharge time on the confessor? it already had cap problems to begin with
why does the svipul get the same cap regen as the confessor? did you guys forget autocannons use zero cap and lasers are still garbage with your crutch bonuses of 10% to cap usage per level? |
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