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Tristan Valentina
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2015.04.04 19:11:51 -
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An interesting read, only time will tell. Personally I really hope they stick to a schedule without little changes in between, that method feels very F2P shooter and really opens then up to the nerf train. "This ship is to powerful, fix it! then a week later it is nerfed instead of actually fixed causing more nerfs to happen.". Very Reactionary and that is never a good policy.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3454
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Posted - 2015.04.04 19:17:41 -
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Dots wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:That doesn't changes that just yesterday I rescued the Damsel for the I-hope-I-never-know-itnth time. I don't want that mission to go (it's a classic!) but I wonder why there are no better and more "EVE" ways to use 78 million SP without shooting somebody's face. All the solo aspects of EVE are a financial life support system for pilots to shoot other pilots in the face. If you want to play a single player game then you should find a single player space Sci Fi game that will continue to be interesting for you for 12 years straight. Otherwise, have the good graces to admit that EVE is too interesting for you to quit.
Well, the current break up of population tells another story. As 62% of the players (not accounts, not characters, but individuals) rarely shoot anyone in the face.
12% of them don't even play the game, they just chat and skill up. 25% of them just level up their Ravens, to say so, playing EVE as a traditional MMO. 25% of them engage into industry, exploration, et cetera, but rarely move into nullsec, geenrlaly avoid low, and whenever they pew pew it's mostly as logis.
So no.The known details of the Rubicon plan to add more pew pew to the game are not exactly going to work for 62% of the customers, who would rather socialize, build stuff or shoot NPCs instead of shooting people in the face.
There may be more than meets the eye, so maybe beyond the player built stargates to more nosec space to conquer and hold there's something for that large majority who are not giving money to CCP for the pew pew.
Or maybe Rubicon is just about what we know, and CCP's only way to please that 62% of people who will not cross the gates, will not colonize "new" space and will not even fly their colors with their friends, is going to engage into a Red Queen's race with changes for the sake of changes... until everyone is too tired to keep running and the game drops to its natural size, some 150,000 subscribers.
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Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
326
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Posted - 2015.04.04 19:25:33 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:natural size, some 150,000 subscribers. Sorry, but where did you take that number from? 38% from the last known sub figure?
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1214
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Posted - 2015.04.04 19:54:07 -
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Glathull wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:TL;DR: EVE is changing fast. When I worked with the Japanese at Nissan and I said the word, "change" their body language shut down and they weren't interested in what I had to say but I soon learned that if I put forward something to " improve" things then they were all ears. I think that says less about the Japanese and more about how you just have terrible ideas. You would be more than a little surprised by the systems I have worked on, one of which is under such a heavy NDA that I can't even tell you what I was doing or who it was for.
As to bad ideas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG9CE55wbtY&t=5m35s
I am prepared to be wrong. I am happy if just a scrap of a quick idea is used as a basis for a better idea. I am willing to step forward with something rather than chime along with the banal masses.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3454
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Posted - 2015.04.04 20:06:19 -
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Jade Blackwind wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:natural size, some 150,000 subscribers. Sorry, but where did you take that number from? 38% from the last known sub figure?
That was an eyeball guess based on subscriptions vs characters in space vs composition of the official Spanish language channel. I've noticed how, funnily, 150,000 it's around 38% of the higher estimate based on CSMX election (some 384,000 susbcribers).
One of my long standing claims is that EVE's dirtiest secret is that it's being paid by people who "play it wrong". And CCP gives those people a godawful bang for their money.
CCP could hire one "level designer" and provide him with decent mission building tools so he could add new stuff with each release, and that would satisfy more customers than Fozzie's "nullsec paradise", for a fraction of the cost and with minimal chances of backlash.
Instead, CCP didn't even had mission building tools for years... that's a good instance of Gitin Teh Priorityz Rait in CCP's bestest style.
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Glathull
Warlock Assassins
1000
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Posted - 2015.04.04 21:17:18 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:You would be more than a little surprised by the systems I have worked on, one of which is under such a heavy NDA that I can't even tell you what I was doing or who it was for.
That is a great line. I'm going to try it the next time I'm out on a date.
"Listen, sugartits, this is how things are going to go down. Every time I open my mouth, piles of unintelligible garbage are going to come tumbling out of it. It's going to be like my words are splashing diaper juice all over you every time I talk at you.
But listen. I do have good ideas, interesting things to say, even some funny lines here and there. The problem is that they are all under NDA. I just can't tell you about any of them. Sorry. :(
Wait. Wait, don't go. No really! I mean it! I'm not as completely brain-dead as I sound like I am. Come back!!!!"
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4401
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Posted - 2015.04.04 21:23:53 -
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Lykouleon wrote:Black Panpher wrote:Ban **** posters. So...ban everyone? some would question your right to ban several hundred thousand people very few understand that you have no right to let them post |
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
688
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Posted - 2015.04.04 22:33:49 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: CCP could hire one "level designer" and provide him with decent mission building tools so he could add new stuff with each release, and that would satisfy more customers than Fozzie's "nullsec paradise", for a fraction of the cost and with minimal chances of backlash.
Well burner missions and sleeper caches are both very recent additions to PvE where CCP is trying out new ideas. The sleeper caches were interesting, have you tried them?
More lvl 4 missions thrown into the mix would be a waste of time. They'd still be nothing but shooting dumb red crosses on a spreadsheet. Boring. They'd need to make the NPCs smarter and act more like players. And come up with a way to randomize things without resulting in a mess. And even then it would still be a few models floating around in space with the majority of the interaction occurring on a spreadsheet (overview).
EVE's core concept and design keeps it from having PvE that can match that of the fantasy MMOs. EVE can't have interesting set pieces and multiple level maze-like dungeons to explore and whatnot, like fantasy MMOs can. You don't get a close look at your enemies, control of your ship feels detached, the collision meshes are huge, etc, etc. There's a myriad of reasons why PvE in this game sucks and a lot of those reasons are not things that can be changed.
The whole exploring derelict structures on foot idea could have given EVE some missions that are actually fun and visually interesting. But CCP was incapable of pulling it off.
Anyway... to return to the original sentiment in the OP, I don't feel like the game is changing too fast. Ship rebalancing began in 2012 I think. They're still working on it. T3 cruisers still haven't had their subsystems overhauled. Changes to sov mechanics have been promised for years and they are only just now getting around to trying something. |
Vector Symian
0 Fear
657
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Posted - 2015.04.05 01:19:39 -
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The Burning of the Nullsec hordes will give the game a sense of old school awesome which will keep the people staying as the battle for dominance
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3454
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Posted - 2015.04.05 08:50:16 -
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Unezka Turigahl wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: CCP could hire one "level designer" and provide him with decent mission building tools so he could add new stuff with each release, and that would satisfy more customers than Fozzie's "nullsec paradise", for a fraction of the cost and with minimal chances of backlash.
Well burner missions and sleeper caches are both very recent additions to PvE where CCP is trying out new ideas. The sleeper caches were interesting, have you tried them? More lvl 4 missions thrown into the mix would be a waste of time. They'd still be nothing but shooting dumb red crosses on a spreadsheet. Boring. They'd need to make the NPCs smarter and act more like players. And come up with a way to randomize things without resulting in a mess. And even then it would still be a few models floating around in space with the majority of the interaction occurring on a spreadsheet (overview). EVE's core concept and design keeps it from having PvE that can match that of the fantasy MMOs. EVE can't have interesting set pieces and multiple level maze-like dungeons to explore and whatnot, like fantasy MMOs can. You don't get a close look at your enemies, control of your ship feels detached, the collision meshes are huge, etc, etc. There's a myriad of reasons why PvE in this game sucks and a lot of those reasons are not things that can be changed. The whole exploring derelict structures on foot idea could have given EVE some missions that are actually fun and visually interesting. But CCP was incapable of pulling it off. Anyway... to return to the original sentiment in the OP, I don't feel like the game is changing too fast. Ship rebalancing began in 2012 I think. They're still working on it. T3 cruisers still haven't had their subsystems overhauled. Changes to sov mechanics have been promised for years and they are only just now getting around to trying something.
Sleeper caches? I'm not aware of them, maybe they can't be found in hisec, or their rewards in hisec are carp?
I stopped bothering with "new exploration content" since CCP Idiot 1 (now can't recall his name) stated that highsec ghost sites would have zero chance (not 1-in-a-thousand nor 1-in-a-milion, but ZERO) to get the best rewards so players "moved out of their comfort zone" i.e. into low/null/WH. Each time I hear any CCP Dev say that, I feel like strangling puppies...
As for the utility of more Level 4 missions... Jesus. Please go back to the stats. ONE IN FOUR MONEY GIVERS PAY CCP FOR THAT SH*T. And they get a pool of, how many? Maybe 500 missions? All of them which have been "walkthroughed" since years ago. Nobody has written the walkthrough of a mission for years. By adding new missions with each release, CCP could keep the Traditionals happy, and make life less miserable to anyone engaging into PvE-for-money. All with just a level designer and the right set of tools.
You're right that at the end fo day, it's all a bunch of red crosses to shoot at, in a certain order or looking at certain parameters (aggro management), and the arms race between player ships and mission NPCs has been won by player ships since years ago. In a way, I am fine with that for ~reasons~.
But what I long, is the abbility to use that mechanic for pursuing complex goals. In EVE, the will to shoot and be shot at and the cunning and determination to succeed opens the gates to owning space empires and sh*t. But no amount of will, cunning or determination allows to achieve anything by shooting red crosses because there are no tools for it.
Players don't interact to NPCs. The game mechanics exist, but not in EVE. Think of NPCs as cards from a collectible cards game. The way to obtain, lose or use NPCs would imply shooting red crosses. But not for the sake of it, but because by doing so, you'd be playing against another player... just not shooting his face. Now, take it a bit further, and let's say that some NPCs could have an effect on players who don't own any card, not even the simplest "defense" deck. Those players would have a pressure to get those NPCs, as ignoring PvE would not be an option in a game where someone can PvE, obtain "attack" NPCs and fight back, not by shooting your face, but by (say) offlining your weapons and your warp drive for 15 seconds as soon as you fire on a neutral...
Be noted, this doesn't means removing the old shoot red-get iSK mecanics. But expanding PvE by handing control over to players in order to fight other players. NPCs are brainless, but by acting as "agent" of their "masters", they could be perfectly viable as smart, cunning opponents.
Currently EVE PvE is like setting all pieces in a chess board and taking them down with a slinghot. NPCs don't fight, don't move don't act. There's no rules nor opposition. Now, let's say there were some rules... and a human on the other side. The pawns would be the same, but the game would change completely.
Currently in EVE, either you box or you slingshot pawns from a board. "Chessboxing" EVE would be a way better game, specially for those who would rather not box. Which, interestingly enough, are an absolute majoriy of the money-givers.
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
96
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Posted - 2015.04.05 10:20:25 -
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Since when shootung red crosses suppose to be a fun ! It's a simple isk gathering. So boredome is a part of it. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1219
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Posted - 2015.04.05 12:30:38 -
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Glathull wrote: (Throws the baby out with the bath water) I surrender! I surrender! I can not hope to defeat the most logical warrior on the forums.
(.... because I care so much! )
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Gaellia Bonaventure
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3143
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Posted - 2015.04.05 14:31:55 -
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I just want to make sure I post in this stealth "Eve is dying" thread.
Thanks.
Bring your possibles.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6697
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Posted - 2015.04.05 19:25:54 -
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Vector Symian wrote:The Burning of the Nullsec hordes will give the game a sense of old school awesome which will keep the people staying as the battle for dominance you will find your solution with the ruins of the powerbloc...I have seen it Join moa. Tell massadeath I mentioned him
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Chewytowel Haklar
Project RESET
134
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Posted - 2015.04.05 19:56:13 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Vector Symian wrote:The Burning of the Nullsec hordes will give the game a sense of old school awesome which will keep the people staying as the battle for dominance you will find your solution with the ruins of the powerbloc...I have seen it Join moa. Tell massadeath I mentioned him
You guys really do think MOA is a huge joke if you not only supported them in the past but also send people their way. LOL! |
Tilde Duchateau
The Vendunari End of Life
27938
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Posted - 2015.04.05 21:13:40 -
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Gaellia Bonaventure wrote:I just want to make sure I post in this stealth "Eve is dying" thread. Thanks. Something something not empty quoting.
Jackhammer subtlety. Bitches love cannons. This Is My Jam.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2651
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Posted - 2015.04.05 22:42:46 -
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I'd like to commend the OP for a sterling entry for troll of the year. Between his original post, linking to a Ripard Teg thing and this:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:I stopped bothering with "new exploration content" since CCP Idiot 1 (now can't recall his name) stated that highsec ghost sites would have zero chance (not 1-in-a-thousand nor 1-in-a-milion, but ZERO) to get the best rewards so players "moved out of their comfort zone" i.e. into low/null/WH. Each time I hear any CCP Dev say that, I feel like strangling puppies...
you'd think more people would have cottoned on.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1222
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Posted - 2015.04.06 00:19:47 -
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admiral root wrote:you'd think more people would have cottoned on. Opinions on a forum are like fashion. Changes rapidly and no one really notices or cares what someone else has.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6705
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Posted - 2015.04.06 04:36:30 -
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admiral root wrote:I'd like to commend the OP for a sterling entry for troll of the year. Between his original post, linking to a Ripard Teg thing and this: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:I stopped bothering with "new exploration content" since CCP Idiot 1 (now can't recall his name) stated that highsec ghost sites would have zero chance (not 1-in-a-thousand nor 1-in-a-milion, but ZERO) to get the best rewards so players "moved out of their comfort zone" i.e. into low/null/WH. Each time I hear any CCP Dev say that, I feel like strangling puppies... you'd think more people would have cottoned on. Sounds like someone should explore in highsec
The road perhaps less traveled, but still defended by Concord
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3454
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Posted - 2015.04.06 09:15:36 -
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admiral root wrote:I'd like to commend the OP for a sterling entry for troll of the year. Between his original post, linking to a Ripard Teg thing and this: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:I stopped bothering with "new exploration content" since CCP Idiot 1 (now can't recall his name) stated that highsec ghost sites would have zero chance (not 1-in-a-thousand nor 1-in-a-milion, but ZERO) to get the best rewards so players "moved out of their comfort zone" i.e. into low/null/WH. Each time I hear any CCP Dev say that, I feel like strangling puppies... you'd think more people would have cottoned on.
OP asks new content because has tried new content and find it lacking and uninteresting because of poor design decissions by developers who, like CCP Idiot 1, think that people should give them money to play the game the way CCP tells them.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3454
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Posted - 2015.04.06 09:22:17 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:admiral root wrote:I'd like to commend the OP for a sterling entry for troll of the year. Between his original post, linking to a Ripard Teg thing and this: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:I stopped bothering with "new exploration content" since CCP Idiot 1 (now can't recall his name) stated that highsec ghost sites would have zero chance (not 1-in-a-thousand nor 1-in-a-milion, but ZERO) to get the best rewards so players "moved out of their comfort zone" i.e. into low/null/WH. Each time I hear any CCP Dev say that, I feel like strangling puppies... you'd think more people would have cottoned on. Sounds like someone should explore in highsec The road perhaps less traveled, but still defended by Concord
Oh, when I don't feel like making money and just crave some fun, I explore highsec my way. It can be pretty profitable if you hit jackpot, albeit on average it's a poor and unreliable income. It haves the advantge, though, that there's no CCP Idiot 1 telling you to "move out of your comfort zone" if you want to outperform a noob in a Venture...
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Erin Crawford
461
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Posted - 2015.04.06 09:38:57 -
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DaReaper wrote:... Honestly the new release cycle is producing some of the best stuff i have seen in my years here. I'm ready for more, so bring it.
"Those who talk donGÇÖt know. Those who know donGÇÖt talk. "
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
397
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Posted - 2015.04.06 09:44:07 -
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You're an *******. And a gigantic, PvP player hating, now even CCP hating carebear.
You should be kicked from the game.
NO ONE FORCES YOU TO STAY HERE YOU WACKO!
Reporting your ****.
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Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
34328
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Posted - 2015.04.06 10:02:49 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:You're an *******. And a gigantic, PvP player hating, now even CCP hating carebear.
You should be kicked from the game.
NO ONE FORCES YOU TO STAY HERE YOU WACKO!
Reporting your ****. someone's a bit mad
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
397
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Posted - 2015.04.06 10:23:39 -
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Liafcipe9000 wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:You're an *******. And a gigantic, PvP player hating, now even CCP hating carebear.
You should be kicked from the game.
NO ONE FORCES YOU TO STAY HERE YOU WACKO!
Reporting your ****. someone's a bit mad You should see that side of her when she starts raging about PvPers, suicide gankers especially. The amount of hate is gigantic.
These sick freaks hate the players, not the characters. Would it hurt to have such hatefull, self entitled people removed?
Nope!
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Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
34329
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Posted - 2015.04.06 10:43:12 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Liafcipe9000 wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:You're an *******. And a gigantic, PvP player hating, now even CCP hating carebear.
You should be kicked from the game.
NO ONE FORCES YOU TO STAY HERE YOU WACKO!
Reporting your ****. someone's a bit mad You should see that side of her when she starts raging about PvPers, suicide gankers especially. The amount of hate is gigantic. These sick freaks hate the players, not the characters. Would it hurt to have such hatefull, self entitled people removed? Nope! Soley's mad again
don't pay attention to him...
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Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Republic University Minmatar Republic
12338
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Posted - 2015.04.06 11:09:32 -
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I know this is unrelated, but it probably doesn't matter because this thread isn't really going to go anywhere,
But am I the only one confused as to how Drifters, Burners, and Circadian Seekers are meant to be more advanced? All I see is OP stats. Drifters and Seekers, they warp around after you, sure. But that's not game changing.
I'm by no means complaining, but I just fail to see what the fuss is about.
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Kensa Katana
Division 13 Anoikis Ronin
87
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Posted - 2015.04.06 11:32:51 -
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Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:But am I the only one confused as to how Drifters, Burners, and Circadian Seekers are meant to be more advanced? All I see is OP stats. Drifters and Seekers, they warp around after you, sure. But that's not game changing. Far from me to advise you on Drifter stuff, but from the very little I've been reading I hear others talk of them having a new AI, adapting and learning from scenarios in ways normal NPCs don't. Whether that's accurate or not ...
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3454
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Posted - 2015.04.06 11:43:56 -
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Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:I know this is unrelated, but it probably doesn't matter because this thread isn't really going to go anywhere,
But am I the only one confused as to how Drifters, Burners, and Circadian Seekers are meant to be more advanced? All I see is OP stats. Drifters and Seekers, they warp around after you, sure. But that's not game changing.
I'm by no means complaining, but I just fail to see what the fuss is about.
Well, it would be more interesting to put a human behind the wheel: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=414223
The list of safety measures against abuse maybe wouldn't make it very interesting in the long run, but it would be a change to how NPCs interact to players and vice-versa.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2015.04.06 11:46:10 -
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Liafcipe9000 wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Liafcipe9000 wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:You're an *******. And a gigantic, PvP player hating, now even CCP hating carebear.
You should be kicked from the game.
NO ONE FORCES YOU TO STAY HERE YOU WACKO!
Reporting your ****. someone's a bit mad You should see that side of her when she starts raging about PvPers, suicide gankers especially. The amount of hate is gigantic. These sick freaks hate the players, not the characters. Would it hurt to have such hatefull, self entitled people removed? Nope! Soley's mad again don't pay attention to him... You mean like yourself? Fair. xD
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