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Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
92
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Posted - 2015.04.03 21:19:38 -
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chelsea dagger x is scammer. do not trade him anything on station . just lost expensive fitted tech3 cruiser to scam got scammed in amarr system. lost 400m~ . wonderful how rude people are on this small electronic world. is there anything that can be done with scammers? |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
904
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Posted - 2015.04.03 21:33:00 -
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Hello friend, so sorry to hear about your loss. Can you share more details about what happened and how?
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Mag's
the united
19237
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Posted - 2015.04.03 22:39:30 -
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Amak Boma wrote:is there anything that can be done with scammers? Stop giving them your ISK and/or assets would be a start.
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Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
92
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Posted - 2015.04.03 22:53:49 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Hello friend, so sorry to hear about your loss. Can you share more details about what happened and how?
guy tricked me on trade and sold my near 1b fitted (hull with subs and rigs was worth total 400m) legion for 400k 400 thousand isk |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.04.03 22:55:32 -
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So you used the trade window? Don't do that. Contracts are a thing for a reason.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1492
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Posted - 2015.04.03 23:15:01 -
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Amak Boma wrote:is there anything that can be done with scammers?
The only thing that could be done is preventing players from giving isk and assets to other players in any way except through market activity and contracts. That would break a lot of other non-scamming uses of those functions.
On you're end though, taking the time to learn how scammers make their money is worthwhile, because you'll learn the things to watch out for. General rules of thumb though are: if it's too good to be true, it is; if something can go badly for you, it will; if someone can find a way to get things from you for free, they'll try.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
57
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Posted - 2015.04.03 23:26:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:So you used the trade window? Don't do that. Contracts are a thing for a reason.
Dat thing is evil I tell you.
Altho, I did conduct a business deal involving a client who wanted to buy my BPCs for a stash of items that he had. As you know, blueprint copies can't be requested via WTB contracts, so we used the Trade window.
Both of us commented afterwards that it was nerve wracking.
I'VE NEVER FELT SO ALIVE, TRADING WITH THE -=TRADE WINDOW=-... THE THRILL, THE PRESSURE AND SUSPENCE OF THAT GREEN TICK... ITEMS IN - IN - HEART PUMPING... CLICK ACCEPT.
PRAY, DON'T LOOK YET.
DON'T EVER LOOK IN YOUR HANGAR/WALLET AFTER A TRADE WINDOW DEAL. |
Willow Windwalker
EPICentre Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2015.04.03 23:30:25 -
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Amak Boma wrote: guy tricked me on trade and sold my near 1b fitted (hull with subs and rigs was worth total 400m) legion for 400k 400 thousand isk
I don't understand: he sold YOUR ship under value and kept the money? Could you please provide more detail (how did you meet, why did you meet, why didn't you notice earlier? etc) |
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
92
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Posted - 2015.04.03 23:49:12 -
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announced on local i want to sell the legion as wanted buy something else, then guy did short convo, then trade popup came in , placed ship he placed isk. . in fact he placed 400k . didnt look properly . my fault . lol |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
58
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Posted - 2015.04.04 00:10:20 -
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Amak Boma wrote:announced on local i want to sell the legion as wanted buy something else, then guy did short convo, then trade popup came in , placed ship he placed isk. . in fact he placed 400k . didnt look properly . my fault . lol
DON'T EVER LOOK IN YOUR HANGAR/WALLET AFTER A TRADE WINDOW DEAL.
Then it's all good. |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23440
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Posted - 2015.04.04 00:19:10 -
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Amak Boma wrote:chelsea dagger x is scammer. do not trade him anything on station . just lost expensive fitted tech3 cruiser to scam got scammed in amarr system. lost 400m~ . wonderful how rude people are on this small electronic world. is there anything that can be done with scammers? Learn from your mistakes. Using the trade window is fraught with risk.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Gate Camp Theory
1571
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Posted - 2015.04.04 04:39:16 -
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....or you're just to fast to accept the trade. The mistake however clearly lies with you as he did nothing unusual.
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malcovas Henderson
THoF
359
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Posted - 2015.04.04 04:41:03 -
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Amak Boma wrote:announced on local i want to sell the legion as wanted buy something else, then guy did short convo, then trade popup came in , placed ship he placed isk. . in fact he placed 400k . didnt look properly . my fault . lol
This is the crux of the matter. YES it was your fault. Even with this fact you then go on to accuse your client to be a scammer. It could have been an honest mistake. You might have reacted as you have on the forums. they decided to middle finger you. I know I would have.
As long as you "Learn" from the experience, then imo it was a good experience.
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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
980
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Posted - 2015.04.04 11:54:46 -
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Scamming is strictly forbidden in EvE Online, a short Google search will provide multiple statements of the Devs to such effect.
I suggest a strongly worded petition to CCP who will surely return the ISK to you and deal most harshly with that scammer! Such behavior must not be tolerated!
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
100
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Posted - 2015.04.04 12:40:33 -
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Nerath Naaris wrote:Scamming is strictly forbidden in EvE Online, a short Google search will provide multiple statements of the Devs to such effect.
I suggest a strongly worded petition to CCP who will surely return the ISK to you and deal most harshly with that scammer! Such behavior must not be tolerated!
could have fooled me, +1 to this.
OP, learn from this experience and move on and next time don't use trade. i even have reluctance in doing it between my toons.
EDIT: got trolled
Just Add Water
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pushdogg
Hell's Portals Thank You Come Again
4
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Posted - 2015.04.04 13:35:16 -
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learned to count zeros when i had to use avogadro constant....im assuming you havent had the pleasure.
i suggest finding a similar exercise. because things.....stuff....scams. |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
184
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Posted - 2015.04.04 19:32:30 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:Nerath Naaris wrote:Scamming is strictly forbidden in EvE Online, a short Google search will provide multiple statements of the Devs to such effect.
I suggest a strongly worded petition to CCP who will surely return the ISK to you and deal most harshly with that scammer! Such behavior must not be tolerated! could have fooled me, +1 to this. OP, learn from this experience and move on and next time don't use trade. i even have reluctance in doing it between my toons. EDIT: got trolled I accidentially clicked your pic ... ... read the above post ... ... realised ...
.... hahaha gold, thanks for making me read the OP's post!
Hope there are a few good ones! ^_^
Thanks! XD
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Bagatur I
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2015.04.07 12:48:24 -
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I never traded like that, so can someone enlighten me on how it can happen?
I put up an item for sale, he places his ISK. I see that amount is OK and press OK/Done/whatever, at which point he reduces the amount and completes the deal? if that is the case, then it is an inherently flawed system.
Or is it that the guy reduces the amount before I hit OK, and I, being lazy/greedy/not paying attention, press OK and thus get shafted? Well then it is completely my fault and I dont understand why I see so many complaints about it. |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
706
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Posted - 2015.04.07 14:06:19 -
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Bagatur I wrote:I never traded like that, so can someone enlighten me on how it can happen?
I put up an item for sale, he places his ISK. I see that amount is OK and press OK/Done/whatever, at which point he reduces the amount and completes the deal? if that is the case, then it is an inherently flawed system.
Or is it that the guy reduces the amount before I hit OK, and I, being lazy/greedy/not paying attention, press OK and thus get shafted? Well then it is completely my fault and I dont understand why I see so many complaints about it. There's a chance of abusi g short lag to change the amount and hit ACCEPT again.
It's always the victim's fault, though, because not waiting a few seconds is what gets them scammed.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
20978
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Posted - 2015.04.07 19:28:52 -
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Amak Boma wrote:chelsea dagger x is scammer. do not trade him anything on station . just lost expensive fitted tech3 cruiser to scam got scammed in amarr system. lost 400m~ . wonderful how rude people are on this small electronic world. is there anything that can be done with scammers?
Im willing to take on the case for either party, but ill need to see some proof before I bring the case before the C&P Board of Inquiry.
Now, if you are unable to present the required proof, and youd wish to engage my services (which are highly coveted by the way) I will require a small retainer of 250mil ISK to begin investigation, and I charge 100mil ISK per hour. All services will be invoiced. Once my investigation of the incident is complete, which will include interviews with both parties, I will submit my findings and C&P will render judgment.
If you require references for my services, im sure any number of former clients will be happy to post here about their experiences.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
189
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Posted - 2015.04.08 00:08:53 -
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Amak Boma wrote:announced on local i want to sell the legion as wanted buy something else, then guy did short convo, then trade popup came in , placed ship he placed isk. . in fact he placed 400k . didnt look properly . my fault . lol
Glad to know you know whos fault it is.
The only way to stop scammers is to stop being an idiot. Next time use a contract. |
Chelsea Dagger X
Explore.
0
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Posted - 2015.04.10 18:19:33 -
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And what a terrible fit it was, I was glad when I got it out of my hangar. |
manutari
Rampant Lions Adirainia
22
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Posted - 2015.04.11 00:32:36 -
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Anak,
Sorry to hear about your loss but I think (as you mentioned) you learned your lesson about trade windows. can't really blame him though. |
Noragen Neirfallas
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
163
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Posted - 2015.04.11 01:32:26 -
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Seems like a pretty straight forward case. C&P will now hear your case with any and all evidence either party can manufacture has at hand. We will open the case to public discussion after both parties have had a chance to deliver their speeches or have hired appropriate counsel. If either party takes too long to respond they may be deemed guilty at the jury and courts discretion. We will hear opening statements now.
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Trevor Dalech
Dalechar Pest Control
102
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Posted - 2015.04.11 02:06:54 -
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pushdogg wrote:learned to count zeros when i had to use avogadro constant....im assuming you havent had the pleasure.
i suggest finding a similar exercise. because things.....stuff....scams.
You wrote out 23 zeros in Avogadro's constant? Ever heard of scientific notation? |
Chelsea Dagger X
Explore.
1
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Posted - 2015.04.11 08:36:53 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Seems like a pretty straight forward case. The Court of Crime and Punishment will now hear your case with any and all evidence either party can manufacture has at hand. We will open the case to public discussion after both parties have had a chance to deliver their speeches or have hired appropriate counsel. If either party takes too long to respond they may be deemed guilty at the jury and courts discretion. We will hear opening statements now.
You have my thanks for contacting me via Eve Mail in such a prompt manner, Your Honour. However, in the interest of transparency, I wish to make my statement public so the citizens of C&P can pass judgement accurately.
The OP's claims are largely correct, but he has written them in such a way as to make me look like a criminal, which is simply untrue. This will be responded to in a counter claim which we can deal with seperately. Deformation of character is a serious crime.
The OP was indeed advertising in local the sale of his fitted Legion which he has misvalued at 400 million ISK, its actual value was 500 million ISK. I opened a trade window with The OP, and posted 400 million ISK in exchange for the Legion. I had a sudden change of heart and thus decided to review my offer. I settled on 400 thousand ISK. The reasons for this are as follows:
1) The OP was not attempting to sell via the contract system, which led me to believe he required a fast sale. It is common practice in the trading world to offer a desperate seller less ISK than what the item is worth. The buyer saves money, and the seller gets a quick sale.
2) The Legion was outfitted with non-T2 weaponry. I made the assumption that if previous owners had disgraced such a beautiful ship with such trash that there would be other issues with the ship. Cigarette burns in the seats, poor previous maintenance, or some other possible niggles that will cost ISK to put right.
I pressed accept, and so did The OP. This led me to believe that the trade was successful, and that both parties were happy. The OP then began to be abusive in local towards me. The abuse was mellow enough to not warrant getting a GM involved, but slanderous comments in the public eye can affect the running of my business, therefore damages will be pursued.
If the charge against me is theft by deception, I plead NOT GUILTY. |
Noragen Neirfallas
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
172
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Posted - 2015.04.11 09:35:47 -
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Chelsea Dagger X wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Seems like a pretty straight forward case. The Court of Crime and Punishment will now hear your case with any and all evidence either party can manufacture has at hand. We will open the case to public discussion after both parties have had a chance to deliver their speeches or have hired appropriate counsel. If either party takes too long to respond they may be deemed guilty at the jury and courts discretion. We will hear opening statements now. You have my thanks for contacting me via Eve Mail in such a prompt manner, Your Honour. However, in the interest of transparency, I wish to make my statement public so the citizens of C&P can pass judgement accurately. The OP's claims are largely correct, but he has written them in such a way as to make me look like a criminal, which is simply untrue. This will be responded to in a counter claim which we can deal with seperately. Deformation of character is a serious crime. The OP was indeed advertising in local the sale of his fitted Legion which he has misvalued at 400 million ISK, its actual value was 500 million ISK. I opened a trade window with The OP, and posted 400 million ISK in exchange for the Legion. I had a sudden change of heart and thus decided to review my offer. I settled on 400 thousand ISK. The reasons for this are as follows: 1) The OP was not attempting to sell via the contract system, which led me to believe he required a fast sale. It is common practice in the trading world to offer a desperate seller less ISK than what the item is worth. The buyer saves money, and the seller gets a quick sale. 2) The Legion was outfitted with non-T2 weaponry. I made the assumption that if previous owners had disgraced such a beautiful ship with such trash that there would be other issues with the ship. Cigarette burns in the seats, poor previous maintenance, or some other possible niggles that will cost ISK to put right. I pressed accept, and so did The OP. This led me to believe that the trade was successful, and that both parties were happy. The OP then began to be abusive in local towards me. The abuse was mellow enough to not warrant getting a GM involved, but slanderous comments in the public eye can affect the running of my business, therefore damages will be pursued. If the charge against me is theft by deception, I plead NOT GUILTY. First off we here at the Court of Crime and Punishment (we really need to shorten that with an acronym or something) would like to thank you for taking the time out of your presumably busy schedule to appear here and defend yourself against these accusations. We will gladly accept any counter claim you wish to make right here and a jury of your peers will decide who is the real guilty party/parties are or aren't and the court will rule accordingly. We wish to caution both parties that making false claims is a serious crime and second only to whining or threatening to quit the game to elicit sympathy.
That being said if you feel you have ground to make a counter claim we welcome it and all evidence either party can provide. The OP made it quite clear that he believes you are 'a scammer' and you 'scammed him' of his asset for 400k ISK. The asset and ISK don't seem to be in dispute so I invite both parties to prove their cases. Or at the very least to disprove their opponents case. We have your testimony of what happened and await the OP to provide any further evidence that you deliberately were dishonest and/or outright deceived him into making this transaction.
Should you pursue a counter claim of defamation for anything outside of this forum post we advise that you provide proof of your claims too. The Court and jury will reconvene at 0800 tomorrow (space traffic allowing) to rule on this and review any further evidence.
If either party wishes to concede and apologize before this time or a private settlement can be mutually agreed upon simply inform us before this deadline and the case shall be dropped with no further damages awarded (after court fees).
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Chelsea Dagger X
Explore.
3
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Posted - 2015.04.11 09:43:23 -
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Thank you for your clear and concise reply, Your Honour.
I will wait for The OP to respond before any further action is taken on my part. |
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
93
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Posted - 2015.04.11 10:51:39 -
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well he just changed from 400m to 400k before acceptation. didnt notice it and hit accept and legion went for 400k. if ccp would give us option to disable trade like disabling duel invites. this wouldnt happen. anyway this legion which was sold for 400k was stolen from some unaware mining pilot who was holding his ship close to his retriever while legion was adrift without pilot. ship had scabies and herpes and needed decontamination procedures . the fit it had wasnt mine. just was selling what i got. atleast it was saved from bob's hammer. . i am doing SAR operations from wormholes and saving abandoned ships. dagger X just did not realised that this legion had scabies and herpes so he has been infected. |
Chelsea Dagger X
Explore.
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Posted - 2015.04.11 12:03:16 -
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Your Honour, The OP knowingly sold faulty goods, and claimed the buyer to be the scammer.
Surely this is open and shut? |
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