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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.04.06 00:18:18 -
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Evening.
Following the Nullsec Ore Mining presentation in March 2015 @ Fanfest, there hasn't been any real movements in the Lowend mineral spectrum. More info here - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5594827#post5594827
Here's an excerpt from o7 Show, aired April 1st,
CCP Fozzie wrote:So it's more profitable... so that you don't need to ship in lowends, and you won't have such access of high ends, that drop the price. We want to give a similar ratio of minerals in nullsec to what you would use to do all the building.
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We're updating composition ratio of existing ABC ores and every existing ore in nullsecks.
No real movements in lowends. Until today.
Currently [April 6th, 00:22 EVT] in Jita I'm seeing large volumes of Mexallon and Pyerite up for sale under 58 ISK p/u and 12.8 ISK p/u,respectivelly, with no demand to match.
Pyerite Supply/Demand - http://eve-markets.net/detail?typeid=35#supply Mexallon - http://eve-markets.net/detail?typeid=36#supply
In the case of Pyerite, Net value has been going up rapidly since the start of the current month of April.
Mexallon, however, has broken the neutral supply/demand balance to the positive side and is still increasing.
Some smart people may be making their moves already. This could get very ugly, very fast.
Watch this space.
P.S. I'll post exact volumes on Mex & Pye in a moment
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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Derp Durrr
Aliastra Gallente Federation
268
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Posted - 2015.04.07 06:08:37 -
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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
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Posted - 2015.04.07 15:22:02 -
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Not really wanting to actively 'bump' one of GankYou additional nullsec propaganda threads. But I will point out in case you hadn't noticed that most people are in the middle of half term and a lot of people have taken the chance to go on holiday to avoid fines from schools if they take their children on holiday during school time.
This is probably one of the main reasons for the market being quiet atm. I'm not entirely sure your propaganda stream is having that much additional effect to CCP Fozzie announcements regarding ore supplies in nullsec & mineral requirements. There has been a slight fall in the price of 'low-ends' but the price decrease is probably able to recover.
What confuses me more is how few people seem to have decided to reprocess their ore before sale rather than compress it ? Nowt as ***** as folk as they say. |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.04.07 17:32:10 -
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Bethan Le Troix wrote:There has been a slight fall in the price of 'low-ends' but the price decrease is probably able to recover.
All I'm here for is to humbly record whether that will be the case, sistah.
Thank you for your input.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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virm pasuul
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.08 11:54:17 -
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Hypothetical question:
What would happen if null sec became much more, or even totally, self sufficient in terms of mining through production to end explosion?
My answer: Let's say null sec no longer needed high sec. Everything null sec needed they could self produce and self fulfill. Stuff exploding drives the economy. If it doesn't explode it lasts forever. Much less stuff explodes in high sec than null. Null is the engine of Eve's economy. If null didn't need stuff from high sec high sec would crash, there would be no economy in high sec.
It would happen like this: Null becomes self sufficient. The price of null minerals in high sec goes through the roof. Initially nullers export null minerals to high sec for ISK, but the ISK never flows back to high sec because high sec has nothing null needs. It would be a heavily biased flow of ISK from high sec to null with little return path. Eventually null stops exporting null minerals to high sec because no one in high sec has the ISK to buy them. Only resources where high sec has an advantage would allow ISK flow back to high sec to complete the loop. In effect high sec would become the noob zone you got out of as fast as possible. I am not saying this is an undesirable outcome. To many this might sound like a very healthy future for Eve.
If this did happen I imagine CCP would choose to intervene and upset the apple cart. Stagnation in any part of the game tends to be bad for the game overall. Change and shaking things up is very much in vogue at CCP.
Also what would the freighter gankers do if there are no freighters to gank? :) |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.04.08 18:19:58 -
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virm pasuul wrote: Also what would the freighter gankers do if there are no freighters to gank? :)
Oh the humanity; the horror!
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
74
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Posted - 2015.04.09 06:04:43 -
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The Forge: Mexallon at 56 ISK p/u today on good volume.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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Samsara Toldya
Academy of Contradictory Behaviour
282
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Posted - 2015.04.09 07:55:41 -
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virm pasuul wrote:Hypothetical question:
What would happen if null sec became much more, or even totally, self sufficient in terms of mining through production to end explosion?
Why would anything change at all? You are talking about manufacturers doing their job "for the horde!" instead of ISK. "For the horde!" won't pay your PLEX at the end of the month. Just because minerals might be available no sane manufacturer would switch his production to shiphulls where he'll make 50,000 ISK per hour per slot while he could make more profit exporting his minerals to highsec.
If highsec price > nullsec price: manufacturers will sell in highsec to maximize profits, alliances will have to buy in highsec. If highsec price < nullsec price: manufacturers will try to sell in nullsec, alliances will still buy in highsec because it's cheaper.
I don't see much patriotic behaviour in nullsec... something like: "We only fly Dominix produced by our alliance members and pay +15% bonus per hull compared to Jita to help our economic grow!"
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
75
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Posted - 2015.04.10 06:34:11 -
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The Forge: today Mexallon is firmly below the 56 handle, with a large 320 mln units sell order guarding the gates just above it.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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Morukk Nuamzzar
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
26
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Posted - 2015.04.10 11:09:16 -
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GankYou wrote:The Forge: today Mexallon is firmly below the 56 handle, with a large 320 mln units sell order guarding the gates just above it. "Guarding the gates" with 18 billion... Really? |
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.04.10 12:38:50 -
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Come on, it's a slow day.
Dev blog on this matter should be out in the next two weeks, if at all.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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Morukk Nuamzzar
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.04.10 12:59:59 -
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GankYou wrote:Come on, it's a slow day. Dev blog on this matter should be out in the next two weeks, if at all. I wouldn't be too surprised considering Megacyte buy order just went 2k+ on Jita markets. |
virm pasuul
Viziam Amarr Empire
261
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Posted - 2015.04.10 16:35:53 -
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I have a feeling in my bones that the megacyte and zydrine prices are not acting rationally. People seem to be acting very irrationally and for me it's turning into a Dutch Tulip Bubble 1637 style.
I expect it to pop very soon. I'm all out already. I will get back in after the pop.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.04.10 16:49:58 -
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The initial demand is genuine, but someone has to be left holding the bag, when the unexpected details come out.
It's a syndrome, where certain individuals, having missed the initial move where most clued people got in, bid the prices higher in the hopes of quick and decent returns.
Alas, the move soon exhausts itself; the buy orders stop chasing the bid.
To 1300 or 2700? Round and round it goes, where it stops? Not many know.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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joyous the
Slippery Penguin The Crystal Palace
82
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Posted - 2015.04.10 16:57:17 -
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obligatory sky's the limit post |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.04.10 17:03:39 -
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The Forge: 17:00 Eve Time update - Mex still largely below 56 ISK p/u, with support at 54.51, and the next major one being around 50.4 ISK p/u.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2015.04.10 17:11:00 -
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GankYou wrote:The Forge: 17:00 Eve Time update - Mex still largely below 56 ISK p/u, with support at 54.51, and the next major one being around 50.4 ISK p/u. what do you mean by 'with support at'? Thanks
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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virm pasuul
Viziam Amarr Empire
261
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Posted - 2015.04.10 17:16:08 -
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Support = noteably large buy orders that stop the price falling further. Once the order is fulfilled that support drops away.
GankYou has been practically blogging them fall away and the price keep dropping and dropping. He's all excited because whist everyone else is awestruck by megacyte and zydrine sooner or later someone is going to notice the poop is about to hit the fan elsewhere and then there will be a massive panic. The market is already running around like headless chickens. Once this new poopstorm starts people's heads are going to start exploding. He's all excited waiting for the exploding head mess and the ISK he plans to make from it. |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.04.10 17:25:03 -
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March rabbit wrote:GankYou wrote:The Forge: 17:00 Eve Time update - Mex still largely below 56 ISK p/u, with support at 54.51, and the next major one being around 50.4 ISK p/u. what do you mean by 'with support at'? Thanks
Tangible buy orders with strength determined by volume.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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Holgrak Blacksmith
Prophets of Motav
235
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Posted - 2015.04.10 20:26:21 -
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virm pasuul wrote:I have a feeling in my bones that the megacyte and zydrine prices are not acting rationally. People seem to be acting very irrationally and for me it's turning into a Dutch Tulip Bubble 1637 style. I expect it to pop very soon. I'm all out already. I will get back in after the pop. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania
I hope it happens sooner rather than later. I restocked on zydrine a few days before the price spike, but my megacyte pile runs out tomorrow evening. |
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.04.11 08:35:33 -
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The Forge: Mexallon under 55 ISK p/u, support at 54.5 being tested; next major one being at 50.37/38.
The price of Plagioclase and Pyroxeres has crashed since the mid-March levels.
https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/market/marketdisplay.php?typeid=40®ionid=10000002 https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/market/marketdisplay.php?typeid=40®ionid=10000002
Empire-wide, buy orders have decoupled from the median and are heading lower.
A development in the price of (compressed) ores will preceed mineral ones, as Nullsec entities scale down purchases in favour of wait & see approach.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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Elinarien
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2015.04.11 10:25:37 -
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Looking at the Everyshore prices, a drop of about 3 or 4 ISK in the Plagioclase 5 day average is hardly a "crash". I know you're trying hard to talk up the impending doom for high-sec industry but your hyperbole is desperate. |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
85
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Posted - 2015.04.11 11:26:51 -
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Links in the previous post have been fixed.
Elinarien wrote: Looking at the Everyshore prices, a drop of about 3 or 4 ISK in the Plagioclase 5 day average is hardly a "crash".
GankYou wrote:...since the mid-March levels.
Everyshore volume is only a third of the Forge total.
A 20% decline is most certainly a crash. Heimatar, Essence, Sinq Laison - all the same stories for Plagioclase .
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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Elinarien
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2015.04.11 12:16:02 -
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GankYou wrote:Links in the previous post have been fixed. Elinarien wrote: Looking at the Everyshore prices, a drop of about 3 or 4 ISK in the Plagioclase 5 day average is hardly a "crash".
Everyshore volume is only a third of the Forge total. A 20% decline is most certainly a crash. Heimatar, Essence, Sinq Laison - all the same stories for Plagioclase. Likewise for Pyroxeres - Domain, Genesis, the Citadel, Tash-Murkon, the Forge, Lonetrek.
Perhaps Everyshore is just a sleepy backwater... nice to know that there are buy orders in the mid 60s still waiting to be fulfilled. Indeed, prices are still well above the Sept low - which was a crash. |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
97
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Posted - 2015.04.14 22:36:21 -
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The Forge: Mexallon's 54 ISK p/u support is being tested this very moment with next major one on good volume being around 53.01 - Although the buy orders there were last updated 5-9 hours ago.
[April] Ore, Mineral and Nullsec Mining Anomaly Revamp by CCP Fozzie
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=418719&find=unread
Quote:Arkonor: Tritanium: 22000 Mexallon: 2500 Megacyte: 320
Bistot: Pyerite: 12000 Zydrine: 450 Megacyte: 100
Crokite: Tritanium: 21000 Nocxium: 760 Zydrine: 135
Dark Ochre: Tritanium: 10000 Isogen: 1600 Nocxium: 120
Gneiss: Pyerite: 2200 Mexallon: 2400 Isogen: 300
Spodumain: Tritanium: 56000 Pyerite: 12050 Mexallon: 2100 Isogen: 450
Hedbergite: Pyerite: 1000 Isogen: 200 Nocxium: 100 Zydrine: 19
Hemorphite: Tritanium: 2200 Isogen: 100 Nocxium: 120 Zydrine: 15
Jaspet: Mexallon: 350 Nocxium: 75 Zydrine: 8
Lowsec ores are getting a 87-166% Zydrine content increase.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.04.17 14:30:40 -
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The Forge: Mexallon firmly under 54 handle today, with current major support being around 50.57/6.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
120
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Posted - 2015.04.22 01:32:52 -
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The Forge today: Pyerite edging lower - currently below the 12.35 ISK p/u mark, Mexallon below 52 with all supports cleared, the next major support still remains at 50.6 ISK p/u.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
131
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Posted - 2015.04.23 11:03:45 -
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The Forge: Multiple very large volume sell orders are up today for Tritanium, which is seen around 5.3 ISK p/u, support is currently found at 5.05.
The net supply/demand for this mineral has gone positive for the first time since Autumn 2013, and has the characteristics of an impulsive, structural development - http://eve-markets.net/detail?typeid=34#supply
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
174
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:17:10 -
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The Forge: Price of Tritanium has been climbing in the past three days, currently at 5.48 ISK p/u with 5.143bn units. Support is found throughout the 5.18-5.35 range.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
196
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Posted - 2015.04.28 16:15:04 -
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The Forge: Pyerite has risen to 12.6 in the past few days, Mexallon is holding around the 51.3/4 levels.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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