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Zerbyl
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2015.04.06 08:40:52 -
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In my mind mechanics behind safe logging is broken. Fact that u cant safe log when some one is locking u prevents from safe logging even if u are doing everything else right.
Discussion please |
Ohemgeez MyNameWontFi
Space Heroes In Training
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Posted - 2015.04.06 08:41:52 -
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1st! o7 |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.04.06 08:48:38 -
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How could you think you would be able to safe lock if someone is targeting you?
That's hardly a safe condition.
90% right doesn't cut it. You need to be 100% ok to safe log off:
- not in a fleet - no modules active - not in warp - no timers
So in your situation, being targeted creates a timer. You can't safe log off in that condition.
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Zerbyl
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2015.04.06 09:35:26 -
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Being targeted doesnt create timers |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.04.06 10:10:12 -
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Zerbyl wrote:Being targeted doesnt create timers Yeah you are right. Not right expression on that bit.
Same effect. You aren't in a safe state when you are targetted. Should add that to the list:
- not targetted.
Thanks for the correction.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
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Posted - 2015.04.06 10:11:24 -
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Zerbyl wrote:In my mind mechanics behind safe logging is broken. Fact that u cant safe log when some one is locking u prevents from safe logging even if u are doing everything else right.
Discussion please How is it fair that you get to avoid a PvP engagement by logging out?
Clearing you weren't doing something right if someone is about to shoot you. |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
397
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Posted - 2015.04.06 10:27:16 -
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What's the point of this thread besides it being a rant ... ... about how you are FORCED ... ... WITH A GUN ... ... to stay logged in?
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
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Posted - 2015.04.06 10:34:46 -
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Zerbyl wrote:Being targeted doesnt create timers
Neither does activating modules, moving your ship, jettisoning cans, deploying drones or a number of other things that prevent you from using safe logoff. Obviously you are intended to have severe restrictions beyond just combat timers to be able to logoff safely.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
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Zura Namee
The Milkmen
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Posted - 2015.04.06 13:15:48 -
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Zerbyl wrote:In my mind mechanics behind safe logging is broken. Fact that u cant safe log when some one is locking u prevents from safe logging even if u are doing everything else right.
Discussion please
If someone has a lock on you, you are not even remotely safe. It doesn't matter if they're your best friend in the history of the universe and sitting in a shuttle, you are not safe. If someone has a lock on you, go somewhere else before safe logging. |
Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.04.06 13:22:08 -
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Targeting is not an issue.
The 30 secs is a HUGE issue - should have been 60 secs. Try scanning anyone down in a safespot in 30 secs, and get them targeted
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Zerbyl
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2015.04.06 14:47:23 -
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You cannot be safely logging off while:
You have active modules You are ejecting from a ship You have aggression from players or NPCs Your ship is exploding or self-destructing You are issuing movement commands You are launching or jettisoning objects You are joining a fleet You are deploying or reconnecting with drones You have a target lock You are warping You are decloaking
List doesnt say anything about being targeted, it just says u cant have a lock while safe logging |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2015.04.06 15:06:32 -
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Logoffsky is not cool bro. You can always dock and logoff you know? It should never be a viable tactic to misuse the logoff mechanic as a way to avoid an engagement in space.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Dots
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.06 15:06:51 -
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The more accurate dev blog language simply didn't make it into the wiki. Paging Mr. Ezwal?
Quote:You have a target lock or are targeted
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Zerbyl
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2015.04.06 15:14:34 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Logoffsky is not cool bro. You can always dock and logoff you know? It should never be a viable tactic to misuse the logoff mechanic as a way to avoid an engagement in space.
Its not about avoiding engagement, its that some one is preventing u from safe logging and doesnt get anything from it?
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Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
44912
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Posted - 2015.04.06 15:18:28 -
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Zerbyl wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Logoffsky is not cool bro. You can always dock and logoff you know? It should never be a viable tactic to misuse the logoff mechanic as a way to avoid an engagement in space. Its not about avoiding engagement, its that some one is preventing u from safe logging and doesnt get anything from it? When some one is around to be able to target you, you are by definition not safe. |
Zerbyl
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2015.04.06 15:20:45 -
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Hengle Teron wrote:Zerbyl wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Logoffsky is not cool bro. You can always dock and logoff you know? It should never be a viable tactic to misuse the logoff mechanic as a way to avoid an engagement in space. Its not about avoiding engagement, its that some one is preventing u from safe logging and doesnt get anything from it? When some one is around to be able to target you, you are by definition not safe.
If some is within target range of me that means im not safe? c'mon |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2015.04.06 15:37:19 -
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Zerbyl wrote:Hengle Teron wrote:Zerbyl wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Logoffsky is not cool bro. You can always dock and logoff you know? It should never be a viable tactic to misuse the logoff mechanic as a way to avoid an engagement in space. Its not about avoiding engagement, its that some one is preventing u from safe logging and doesnt get anything from it? When some one is around to be able to target you, you are by definition not safe. If some is within target range of me that means im not safe? c'mon Yes, he could target you and shoot you. Just dock and then log... problem solved
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Zerbyl
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2015.04.06 15:42:50 -
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Ur missing the point here, why is there even safe logging if u just want everyone to dock and logg there? Point is, that someone is preveting u from safelogging without getting any timer or anything from it. Shooting, poiting and everthing else gives timers.
And in fact i know that code uses this in theyr advantege. |
Ohemgeez MyNameWontFi
Space Heroes In Training
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Posted - 2015.04.06 15:43:48 -
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Zerbyl wrote:Hengle Teron wrote:Zerbyl wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Logoffsky is not cool bro. You can always dock and logoff you know? It should never be a viable tactic to misuse the logoff mechanic as a way to avoid an engagement in space. Its not about avoiding engagement, its that some one is preventing u from safe logging and doesnt get anything from it? When some one is around to be able to target you, you are by definition not safe. If some is within target range of me that means im not safe? c'mon
what other reason there is for somebody to target and locked you other than to shoot you? c'mon |
Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
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Posted - 2015.04.06 15:44:56 -
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If you want to safely log out in space, just warp to somewhere, where there is nobody around. |
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
487
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Posted - 2015.04.06 15:46:25 -
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Is this a rant about how safelogging does not allow you to prevent being shot at?
Because that's what it sounds like. Why would someone lock your ship to prevent you tucking in your tail, if it wasn't to make sure the coward can't run away from being killed?
Just wondering. In any case ... you were not safe, thus no safe logging off. It's not quantum mechanics, really.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10640
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Posted - 2015.04.06 15:47:04 -
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Zerbyl wrote:In my mind mechanics behind safe logging is broken. Fact that u cant safe log when some one is locking u prevents from safe logging even if u are doing everything else right.
Discussion please
Someone got his freight bumped
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
926
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Posted - 2015.04.06 16:01:55 -
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Zerbyl wrote:Ur missing the point here, why is there even safe logging if u just want everyone to dock and logg there? Point is, that someone is preveting u from safelogging without getting any timer or anything from it. Shooting, poiting and everthing else gives timers.
And in fact i know that code uses this in theyr advantege. I don't think i'm missing the point at all. I think it's pretty obvious to everyone that you want to save your freighter or something similar with logoffsky, because you failed to prepare yourself when planing your route and required support fleet.
You try to misuse a mechanic that is there to logoff from the game and not to save your ship. It's implemented the way it is now to prevent exactly what you try to do with it.
P.S. A mining permit also nerver hurts.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Marech Bhayanaka
ISKING
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Posted - 2015.04.06 16:04:55 -
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Zerbyl wrote:In my mind mechanics behind safe logging is broken. Fact that u cant safe log when some one is locking u prevents from safe logging even if u are doing everything else right.
Safe logoff is not supposed to be a way to escape. It is not intended to *make* you safe. It is intended to let you log off from a safe situation without making you more vulnerable than you were.
Imagine what it would do to the game if everyone who was losing a fight could escape just by logging off!
Marech.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
491
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Posted - 2015.04.06 16:08:53 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote: P.S. A logoff permit also nerver hurts.
Fixed for context. ^_^
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Zerbyl
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2015.04.06 16:27:16 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Zerbyl wrote:In my mind mechanics behind safe logging is broken. Fact that u cant safe log when some one is locking u prevents from safe logging even if u are doing everything else right.
Discussion please Someone got his freight bumped
Yes i got my freighter bumbed... six f'**ckg hours, knowing that all they want is that i logg off, so ill lose skill based bonuses... |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
495
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Posted - 2015.04.06 16:35:33 -
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Zerbyl wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Zerbyl wrote:In my mind mechanics behind safe logging is broken. Fact that u cant safe log when some one is locking u prevents from safe logging even if u are doing everything else right.
Discussion please Someone got his freight bumped Yes i got my freighter bumbed... six f'**ckg hours, knowing that all they want is that i logg off, so ill lose skill based bonuses... For six hours?
I would at least try to petition, after I exhausted all other options and found no way of getting out of this. Wouldn't even wait an hour. Half hour max, but that's too long already for trying all available solo options.
No hate here. Just stating that bumping is fine, but having no way of getting out of it isn't.
(you may read up on the reason for the 10mill isk mining permit fee, which was a necessity because GMs said a bumped person needs a way to get out of it, else he could be bumped infinitely. And THAT would then fall into the harassment category. Interesting topic, tbh.)
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
926
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Posted - 2015.04.06 16:46:26 -
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Zerbyl wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Zerbyl wrote:In my mind mechanics behind safe logging is broken. Fact that u cant safe log when some one is locking u prevents from safe logging even if u are doing everything else right.
Discussion please Someone got his freight bumped Yes i got my freighter bumbed... six f'**ckg hours, knowing that all they want is that i logg off, so ill lose skill based bonuses... So instead of using this 6h to think about how to save your freighter, which is totaly possible if you actually use some effort to protect your stuff, you come to the forums and say "Halp! CCP give me a instant escape button!".
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
496
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Posted - 2015.04.06 16:55:31 -
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But... how?
I mean I can think of ways to save it ... ... but that doesn't nessecarily lead to success.
That's what I mean.
And we can't assume that he has an alt that could web him to warp ...
Not picking sides, just curious, because I guess that with an experienced bumper one might not qctually be able to get away. That being said, exhausting ALL options, including looking for one on google, should the the first things on the list.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
178
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Posted - 2015.04.06 17:05:12 -
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I safe log every day. Pretty much if you haven't shot anyone and do it from a safe spot you're good. If anything safe logging should be harder, not easier.
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