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Marlenus
Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2006.10.26 04:06:00 -
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Hi, everybody. I've been testing a new feature I haven't seen anybody mention.
In the corporations screen, tab Accounts, subtab Offices, after selecting an office, the display of assets has been much improved. Display of the icons has been improved for easier visual scanning, and there's now a "volume" column that shows the volume of each stack of stuff.
But better yet, right click on an item now shows a new option: "Deliver". That expands out to "corp hangar" and "member". You can deliver any item in the corp hangar into any member's personal hangar. Or, if you select the "corp hangar" option, that expands out to show the different divisional hangars, and you can "deliver" the item into a different divisional hangar.
Very very sweet. So far, it's worked flawlessly; I haven't found a bug of any kind. Delivery is currently slow, but I'm guessing that's a database responsiveness issue.
So far I've only tested this feature on items at the corporate office where I happen to be, in the sense of observing that the deliveries take place; but the tool works without error messages on items in all offices. Now I need to go to the next office and see if the remote deliveries are working.
No idea what corporate roles are needed for this; I'm a director with full roles.
More testing needed. But good job CCP! This makes corporate logistics notably easier.
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Zoxia
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.10.26 04:11:00 -
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Is this a new trade function for all people??
Traders within corps can move items between stations???
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Marlenus
Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2006.10.26 04:16:00 -
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Woops! I was not clear.
Not between stations. But from WAAAAY over here in Jita, I can move an item in the corp hangar in Eitu to a member hangar in Eitu, or into a different divisional subhangar (different tab) in the Eitu corp hanger.
I've also just discovered that the deliver option is available on items in my private ship hangar and private items warehouse -- I can deliver them to any other corp member hangar in this office, or into any tab of the local corp office.
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Marlenus
Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2006.10.26 04:40:00 -
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...or maybe not. Still testing.
So far I've had great success with the "deliver" function at my local station. You can "deliver" from the corp tab, the personal assets tool, the private item bin, the private ship hangar, or the corporate hangar; TO any corp member's local private hangar or any preferred local sub-tab of the the local corp hangar. Items vanish from where they were and appear where you send them, hey presto.
Unfortunately, so far I've had no luck with the remote transfers (from corp assets or personally asset manager). Perhaps this was not an intended feature. The command is accepted, there's no error message, but the item does not move -- at least, it doesn't vanish from the asset display where you found it.
I'm now off to the nearest remote station to see if there was asset movement that didn't get reported back.
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Marlenus
Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2006.10.26 04:57:00 -
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Edited by: Marlenus on 26/10/2006 04:59:13 In a station where my corp has no office, the "deliver" option has only a "member" flyout, no "corp hangar" flyout. (That makes sense.) But when I select a member for delivery, I get error message: "You have been denied access for the following reason: Your corporation does not have an office at this station."
Something's broken about this. The system detected the lack of office, and removed the "corp hangar" flyout. So if a corp office is needed to facilitate transfers from one member's hangar to another's (no obvious reason why this should be so) shouldn't the system have removed the "member" flyout also?
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Falconius Karde
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.26 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Marlenus ...So if a corp office is needed to facilitate transfers from one member's hangar to another's (no obvious reason why this should be so) shouldn't the system have removed the "member" flyout also?
It would be the same as the Security Officer role - you can only look at or place items in a member hangar where you have an office. So I would think yeah, it should probably be removed from the menu.
I hope that this new feature can be used remotely as it will make corp management and security much easier.
Any chance you can check if a contract can be placed on an item in a corp hangar (unlike current Escrow?) I haven't had the time to log on myself yet.
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Marlenus
Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2006.10.26 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: Falconius Karde
It would be the same as the Security Officer role - you can only look at or place items in a member hangar where you have an office. So I would think yeah, it should probably be removed from the menu.
Thanks, that makes sense.
Originally by: Falconius Karde
Any chance you can check if a contract can be placed on an item in a corp hangar (unlike current Escrow?) I haven't had the time to log on myself yet.
Good news! Looks like yes.
Sitting in a station in Konola, went into contracts, selected "item exchange" contract on behalf of my corp, hit next button, next screen lets me pick stations (looks like corp offices only) *and* select the divisional hangar I want at that office. I get a list of stuff in corp hangar, can select individual items. Shweet!
Further exploration: When I don't select "on behalf of corporation" it lets me choose from any of my thousand private hangars, whereever found. Nice.
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Traxman
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Posted - 2006.10.26 07:02:00 -
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Sounds nice, ..but i bet therer is no EXPORT TRANSACTION (ccp did you see my caps ?) yet...
Sad i dont have time to checkit out..
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Nate D
Priory of Saints
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Posted - 2006.10.26 07:03:00 -
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can you deliver a certain amount of an object... such as ammo?
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Marlenus
Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2006.10.26 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Nate D can you deliver a certain amount of an object... such as ammo?
Sadly, no -- it looks like all or nothing on the stack.
Of course, for stacks you have local access to -- which increasingly look to be the only stacks where this functionality is actually working -- you could split the stacks and then do a deliver on one of the result stacks. This still saves window opening, etc., on nights when window lag is bad.
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Falconius Karde
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.26 08:06:00 -
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Thanks for checking that Marlenus. I'm attempting to get on tonight and do some testing of my own, focusing around corporate management as this is what takes up most of my time.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.10.26 08:06:00 -
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theres a lot of new CEO tools CCP have been busy
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Marlenus
Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2006.10.26 08:38:00 -
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OK, I've tested this as far as I can right now. Looks like some stuff is broken, but I'm not sure what exactly because we don't know intended functionality.
Here's various "deliver to" testing I did.
From my ship in space, looking at items in the personal "Assets" tool or in corporate assets listings: The "deliver" right click option does not appear. This is presumably as intended.
Docked in a station with no corporate office:
1) Items in local hangar, viewed in local hangar, or via assets tool: The "deliver" right click option appears. However, the only flyaway that appears is for "Member". No corporate hangar options appear, sensibly enough, because there's no corporate hangar here. However, attempted transfers to members fail, with the error message "You have been denied access for the following reason: Your corporation does not have an office at this station." This appears broken. If presence of an office in local station is needed for *all* delivery functionality, then the "deliver" right click option should not appear here at all, just as it doesn't appear in space.
2) Still docked in station with no corp office, but looking at items in personal hangars elsewhere (does not matter whether in local system or other systems), using assets tool: "Deliver" option appears on right click. Only flyaway is "member" -- this does not change even when remote personal hangar is in station where there's a corporate office. Attempts to deliver such remote options to a member fail, with the same "no office at this station" error message. Again, this behavior appears to be broken. Perhaps transfers between members, or between a member and his corp hangar, are intended to happen remotely; but in that case, the "deliver to" option should not appear in assets tool. Or, perhaps such transfers are intended, but only when initiated from somewhere there's a local corp office. Only, that doesn't work either, as discussed later.
3) Still docked in station with no corp office, looking at assets in other stations in corporate hangars using corporate assets tool: the "deliver to" right click appears, with the "member" flyaway only. Upon delivery attempt, no error message appears, but no delivery happens. This appears broken. Either "deliver to" should not appear, as in space; or an error message should appear; or delivery should happen (if such functionality was intended.)
Docked in a station where corporate office is present:
1) Looking at items in cargo hold, personal ship hangar, personal items hangar, or any corporate hanger: This is where "deliver to" really shines. Right clicking any such items gives option of any corporate subhangar or any corp member, and items are swiftly transferred without opening any windows. Nifty!
2) Looking at items in personal hangars in other stations (via assets tool) the "deliver to" right click appears, with the "member" flyaway only. Upon delivery attempt, no error message appears, but no delivery happens. This appears broken. Either "deliver to" should not appear, as in space; or an error message should appear; or delivery should happen (if such functionality was intended.)
3) Looking at items in corporate hangars in other stations (via corporate assets tool) the "deliver to" right click appears, with both flyaways. Upon any delivery attempt, no delivery happens, but there's no error either. Again, This appears broken. Either "deliver to" should not appear, as in space; or an error message should appear; or delivery should happen (if such functionality was intended.)
Conclusion: Some sort of remote functionality was probably intended but is not working. Alternatively, display of "deliver to" option needs to be suppressed where functionality not intended; or error message needs to be generated.
Thanks! It's great even with these issues!
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Zoxia
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.10.26 10:37:00 -
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Again do other players using the contract sytem have the ability to transfer items at will to anywhere in the system??
Basically can we all move items around or is this some thing made for only people who are in a corp??
ALso if you make a one man corp can you use this function?
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Zarch AlDain
Friends of Everyone
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Posted - 2006.10.26 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Zoxia Again do other players using the contract sytem have the ability to transfer items at will to anywhere in the system??
Basically can we all move items around or is this some thing made for only people who are in a corp??
ALso if you make a one man corp can you use this function?
It doesn't let you move items between stations - just move them between hangers and people inside one station.
Zarch AlDain
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Marlenus
Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2006.10.26 16:50:00 -
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Zarch, exactly.
And we're not talking about the contracts system, merely a new right-click option for shifting the ownership (whose hold, hangar or sub-hangar is it it?) of an item at a particular station.
The "remote functionality" I talk about -- that may or may not have been intended, but isn't working if it was intended -- would be to shift ownership (whose hangar is it in?) within a particular station somewhere else; it's obvious this new feature has nothing to do with moving an item from one station to another.
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Jocca Quinn
Matari BackBone
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Posted - 2006.11.08 04:45:00 -
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Can anyone tell me if this Deliver to works on the Corp deliveries hangar ?
This would be one way around the security level that is needed to access Deliveries
JQ
none of us are free as long as one of us is chained none of us are free |
Fortior
STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.08 12:53:00 -
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(I didn't read the whole thread, I might be saying what someone else has already said)
By golly, I think I know how this works. It might also explain the behavior of this feature.
As you've noticed the "Deliver to" function requires an office in that station. Why you may ask? The "Deliver to"-function is, what I think, in a sense a script that automates the current action of "Open Corp Hangar" -> "Open Member Hangar". Don't have an office? The script is broken. Want to deliver stuff remotely? Can't do it, as you can't remotely open offices. It would explain it all.
Now, here's a question as to *why* CCP implents something like this. The reason is two-fold: 1. It's **** nifty. A real timesaver, makes everything shiny quick. 2. It reduces LAG. Yes, you heard me. This is a lag-reducing effort. Have you ever noticed how long it can take to open corp hangars? Or even other member hangars? ****, I know our q-store has ~600 items, and that's not counting bms in cans. If you ever wanted to move stuff to a member or a hangar you'd have to open that tab. That sucks a lot of CPU and database processing.
This nifty script accomplishes everything we do today but without burdening the node with actually accessing everything we have.
There. Any comments? Devs, come in here and prove me right!
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