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A1izee
Vipres' Templis CALSF
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Posted - 2015.04.06 18:30:06 -
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Hi guys I'm new to the wormhole scene and was wondering if you guys could give me any advice on running c5 escalations in a pulsar. Like how many dreads and caps to use to be really effective site times and all that as well as fitting advice for this. Me and my corp are looking to do this. As well as capital pvp in wh's. Any advice there is welcome as well thanks! |
Peter Moonlight
Lazerhawks
145
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Posted - 2015.04.06 18:57:19 -
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A1izee wrote:Hi guys I'm new to the wormhole scene and was wondering if you guys could give me any advice on running c5 escalations in a pulsar. Like how many dreads and caps to use to be really effective site times and all that as well as fitting advice for this. Me and my corp are looking to do this. As well as capital pvp in wh's. Any advice there is welcome as well thanks! I'm happy to see there is more interest for people doing PVP in Pulsars rather then just PVE. I'm guessing your corp is fully moving into C5 Pulsar? Okay so, I'm guessing you know everything about siege/triage cycles which last 5 minutes. Most of people do sites in 2 cycles (10minutes) which is pretty okay, and doable with just 4 capitals, 2 dreads and 2 carriers. But if you have more and you want to do single cycle sites, which is what you should go for, you need 2 carriers, and around 5 dreads, along with a Huginn/Loki, at least 1 prefferably more, and boosts to support those ships. Carriers should be Chimeras, at least the first carrier (triage one), but Nidhoggur works just as fine, and Thanny. In theory you can do shield Archon, but that's only if you are lords servant or fanboi.
So, it pretty much summs to: 10minutes - 2carriers, 2dreads (huginn/loki would be nice) 5minutes - 5-6dreads, 2 carriers (1-2 huginns,booster, if you have more alts then, scorpion/salvager, support subcaps, or just drop even more capitals if you can to make sure you are safe from people trying to kill you)
PS: I can help you with how to use those caps in practice, feel free to convo me |
Stacy Lone
University of Caille Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2015.04.07 14:05:50 -
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Peter Moonlight wrote:[quote=A1izee] along with a Huginn/Loki, at least 1 prefferably more, and boosts to support those ships. Carriers should be Chimeras, at least the first carrier (triage one), but Nidhoggur works just as fine, and Thanny. In theory you can do shield Archon, but that's only if you are lords servant or fanboi.
You will want to match your tank and repair type, so using a chimera seems odd. You will armour tank the lokis/huggins to have meds free for webs, so you will need armour reps for them. Since you can't rep the dreads anyways in siege, it doesn't matter which tank type the dreads are using.
We are running with archon/naglfars/moros and brick tanked web lokis, and it works just fine. Site is finished in 2 siege cycles, we could certainly get it down to 1 by using more then 2 or 3 dreads.
2 Cycles: 2 Carriers, 2 Dreads, 1-2 Lokis 1 Cycle: 2 Carriers, 4-6 Dreads, 2-3 Lokis
More Lokis is always nice b/c targets stay in optimal longer and burn away, keeping their transversal low. We have even considred using A vindicator to hold some of the targets near by (since we have the ISK for expensive webs anyways).
A triaged archon is very well capable to tank the full escalation site. If you are concerned about the archon, take an armour tanked ship with you and load it full with ECM. Sleepers love ECM using ships and will happily switch from your archon to the ECM ship after the first "round" of targeting is over.
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Peter Moonlight
Lazerhawks
145
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Posted - 2015.04.07 14:47:13 -
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Stacy Lone wrote:Peter Moonlight wrote:[quote=A1izee] along with a Huginn/Loki, at least 1 prefferably more, and boosts to support those ships. Carriers should be Chimeras, at least the first carrier (triage one), but Nidhoggur works just as fine, and Thanny. In theory you can do shield Archon, but that's only if you are lords servant or fanboi. You will want to match your tank and repair type, so using a chimera seems odd. You will armour tank the lokis/huggins to have meds free for webs, so you will need armour reps for them. Since you can't rep the dreads anyways in siege, it doesn't matter which tank type the dreads are using. We are running with archon/naglfars/moros and brick tanked web lokis, and it works just fine. Site is finished in 2 siege cycles, we could certainly get it down to 1 by using more then 2 or 3 dreads. 2 Cycles: 2 Carriers, 2 Dreads, 1-2 Lokis 1 Cycle: 2 Carriers, 4-6 Dreads, 2-3 Lokis More Lokis is always nice b/c targets stay in optimal longer and burn away, keeping their transversal low. We have even considred using A vindicator to hold some of the targets near by (since we have the ISK for expensive webs anyways). A triaged archon is very well capable to tank the full escalation site. If you are concerned about the archon, take an armour tanked ship with you and load it full with ECM. Sleepers love ECM using ships and will happily switch from your archon to the ECM ship after the first "round" of targeting is over. You clearly don't know anything about Pulsar or wormhole effects, so please keep your advices for yourself.. Also, post with your main, might be able to help a bit with your capital escalations. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
952
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Posted - 2015.04.07 14:51:45 -
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Stacy Lone wrote:Peter Moonlight wrote:[quote=A1izee] along with a Huginn/Loki, at least 1 prefferably more, and boosts to support those ships. Carriers should be Chimeras, at least the first carrier (triage one), but Nidhoggur works just as fine, and Thanny. In theory you can do shield Archon, but that's only if you are lords servant or fanboi. You will want to match your tank and repair type, so using a chimera seems odd. You will armour tank the lokis/huggins to have meds free for webs, so you will need armour reps for them. Since you can't rep the dreads anyways in siege, it doesn't matter which tank type the dreads are using. We are running with archon/naglfars/moros and brick tanked web lokis, and it works just fine. Site is finished in 2 siege cycles, we could certainly get it down to 1 by using more then 2 or 3 dreads. 2 Cycles: 2 Carriers, 2 Dreads, 1-2 Lokis 1 Cycle: 2 Carriers, 4-6 Dreads, 2-3 Lokis More Lokis is always nice b/c targets stay in optimal longer and burn away, keeping their transversal low. We have even considred using A vindicator to hold some of the targets near by (since we have the ISK for expensive webs anyways). A triaged archon is very well capable to tank the full escalation site. If you are concerned about the archon, take an armour tanked ship with you and load it full with ECM. Sleepers love ECM using ships and will happily switch from your archon to the ECM ship after the first "round" of targeting is over.
What Stacy forgot to say:
Stacy uses another alt ina cloaky/zephyr to create a warp in for the cap group 60k above the actual anom. Escalations spawn there, and with guards wanting to go into a 35k orbit they'll burn straight away from whatever they're shooting at (usually the carrier anyways). FOr any sort of escalation, I'd suggest to keep the subcap count down to 3 if possible. That case you can keep a rep constantly on each. In the earlier days, people used 90%-web ashimmus to pin the escalation wave down right where it spawned, Vindicators though are quite squishy with dualwebs and triggering 3-4 waves at once. I don't quite see the benefit, they either got not enough webs to justify or they require pimp to get their ehp up to levels where they don't pop. In Pulsars atleast, huginns for webs and golem for painter/tractor/salvager might be about the smartest choice. Afterall, you make ISK/pilot.
Smartest setup imo: Chimmy/Nid as first carrier (really doesn't matter which of the two) Thanny as second carrier cause dps Golem for paints/frigkilling if needed and salvaging 2 Huginns for webs (small Nos fitted to leech cap off first carrier) Rest Moros |
Peter Moonlight
Lazerhawks
145
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Posted - 2015.04.07 18:25:37 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Stacy Lone wrote:Peter Moonlight wrote:[quote=A1izee] along with a Huginn/Loki, at least 1 prefferably more, and boosts to support those ships. Carriers should be Chimeras, at least the first carrier (triage one), but Nidhoggur works just as fine, and Thanny. In theory you can do shield Archon, but that's only if you are lords servant or fanboi. You will want to match your tank and repair type, so using a chimera seems odd. You will armour tank the lokis/huggins to have meds free for webs, so you will need armour reps for them. Since you can't rep the dreads anyways in siege, it doesn't matter which tank type the dreads are using. We are running with archon/naglfars/moros and brick tanked web lokis, and it works just fine. Site is finished in 2 siege cycles, we could certainly get it down to 1 by using more then 2 or 3 dreads. 2 Cycles: 2 Carriers, 2 Dreads, 1-2 Lokis 1 Cycle: 2 Carriers, 4-6 Dreads, 2-3 Lokis More Lokis is always nice b/c targets stay in optimal longer and burn away, keeping their transversal low. We have even considred using A vindicator to hold some of the targets near by (since we have the ISK for expensive webs anyways). A triaged archon is very well capable to tank the full escalation site. If you are concerned about the archon, take an armour tanked ship with you and load it full with ECM. Sleepers love ECM using ships and will happily switch from your archon to the ECM ship after the first "round" of targeting is over. What Stacy forgot to say: Stacy uses another alt ina cloaky/zephyr to create a warp in for the cap group 60k above the actual anom. Escalations spawn there, and with guards wanting to go into a 35k orbit they'll burn straight away from whatever they're shooting at (usually the carrier anyways). FOr any sort of escalation, I'd suggest to keep the subcap count down to 3 if possible. That case you can keep a rep constantly on each. In the earlier days, people used 90%-web ashimmus to pin the escalation wave down right where it spawned, Vindicators though are quite squishy with dualwebs and triggering 3-4 waves at once. I don't quite see the benefit, they either got not enough webs to justify or they require pimp to get their ehp up to levels where they don't pop. In Pulsars atleast, huginns for webs and golem for painter/tractor/salvager might be about the smartest choice. Afterall, you make ISK/pilot. Smartest setup imo: Chimmy/Nid as first carrier (really doesn't matter which of the two) Thanny as second carrier cause dps Golem for paints/frigkilling if needed and salvaging 2 Huginns for webs ( small Nos fitted to leech cap off first carrier) Rest Moros If you can, do both carriers Chimera or even if 2nd carrier is other then chimera just make them both triage capable. Get a tengu for paints, because golem has too high of a sig radius anyways and takes more then 1 capital repper to stay alive. You should get Huginns if you have boosts, they can be pretty squishy if you want to get full effect of them, you need a good carrier pilot incase you want to spawn 3 waves at once. Naglfars all the way would be better but mix works as well. |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
1009
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Posted - 2015.04.07 20:28:09 -
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When I used to live in one we used to drop the dreads in first + rorqual (you do need max links to tank it) + huginn(s) the huginns were invuln only tanked so pretty hairy if they took full aggro - had them constantly bouncing from 100 to 0 shields and back as max spread out rep cycles landed (by keeping them the opposite side of the capitals to the sleepers you could usually stop em taking aggro).
I don't recommend it but it kept things semi interesting. |
Luft Reich
Lazerhawks
71
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Posted - 2015.04.07 22:15:09 -
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You guys have no idea how to krab....
If you want real advice you can convo me in game, most of these people have no idea what a Pulsar is.
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Jack Miton
Isogen 5
4360
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Posted - 2015.04.08 01:25:21 -
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- warp to site in caps - shoot stuff - ??? - warp out
people overcomplicate site running to no end for the tiniest of differences in running times. it really isnt that hard and there's no difference between taking 10min or 15 min per site since the number of sites is always the limiting factor.
PS: inb4 'it's safer if you do it quicker'. if youre seeded it makes no difference and people dont rage-role anymore in anywhere NEAR high enough numbers to make any difference.
There is no Bob.
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ChromeStriker
Out of Focus Odin's Call
877
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Posted - 2015.04.08 11:05:19 -
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.... you can run C5's without subcaps pretty happilly (good to have some webs/jams on standby with an alt whatever...)
You will see subcaps tho because not everyone can fly capitals, its a good corp activity that everyone can participate in...
No Worries
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Help They GotMyMoney
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2015.04.08 12:05:42 -
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Luft Reich wrote:You guys have no idea how to krab....
If you want real advice you can convo me in game, most of these people have no idea what a Pulsar is.
You couldn't handle the magnetar, so what you have to say is pretty irrelevant. |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
1009
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Posted - 2015.04.08 12:44:56 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:.... you can run C5's without subcaps pretty happilly (good to have some webs/jams on standby with an alt whatever...)
You will see subcaps tho because not everyone can fly capitals, its a good corp activity that everyone can participate in...
You don't actually need sub-caps at all but its a little faster sometimes i.e. you can refit most dreads to put 2-3K on sleepers even when they've got into orbit or warp in a loki/huginn and apply 4x that or more, mobile depots have pretty much done away with the need for subcaps even for warping out at the end. |
Luft Reich
Lazerhawks
71
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Posted - 2015.04.08 13:05:56 -
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Help They GotMyMoney wrote:Luft Reich wrote:You guys have no idea how to krab....
If you want real advice you can convo me in game, most of these people have no idea what a Pulsar is. You couldn't handle the magnetar, so what you have to say is pretty irrelevant.
Watch your back farming hoodie, revenge is a double edged sword.
Also NPC alt, scared daddy noob will find out?
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1114
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Posted - 2015.04.08 15:26:40 -
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lol a lazerhawks guy coming at people myfuckingface
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Luft Reich
Lazerhawks
72
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Posted - 2015.04.08 22:49:24 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:lol a lazerhawks guy coming at people myfuckingface
I trained forum PvP up to level 1, currently training level 2.
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Help They GotMyMoney
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2015.04.09 12:53:47 -
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Luft Reich wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:lol a lazerhawks guy coming at people myfuckingface I trained forum PvP up to level 1, currently training level 2.
You should probably inject shooting guardians before they reach 35k skill. I hear its very hard to obtain tho. |
Luft Reich
Lazerhawks
72
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Posted - 2015.04.09 22:55:13 -
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Ohhhh hoodie, do you really want me to dig up the picture of your two caps at 300km? Or the Naglfar loss mail of yours....hmmm so many choices.
Also post on your main please, or scared daddy noob will not be pleased you seeded a Lazerhawk person?
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1136
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Posted - 2015.04.09 23:43:42 -
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he lost ships you lost ships? Why does anyone care?
you lost the duel tho since you went to the KBs first. maybe next time you'll gitgud
HK triumphing over lazerhawks again, nothing new to see here~
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Luft Reich
Lazerhawks
72
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Posted - 2015.04.10 00:09:14 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:he lost ships you lost ships? Why does anyone care?
you lost the duel tho since you went to the KBs first. maybe next time you'll gitgud
HK triumphing over lazerhawks again, nothing new to see here~
Do I win anything for posting with my main?
How much do you charge for lessons on posting BTW?
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Peter Moonlight
Lazerhawks
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Posted - 2015.04.10 00:28:22 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:he lost ships you lost ships? Why does anyone care?
you lost the duel tho since you went to the KBs first. maybe next time you'll gitgud
HK triumphing over lazerhawks again, nothing new to see here~ Is this your new attempt to get accepted in HK ? Don't cry, ok. ktxhbai |
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1138
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Posted - 2015.04.10 01:36:36 -
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Luft Reich wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:he lost ships you lost ships? Why does anyone care?
you lost the duel tho since you went to the KBs first. maybe next time you'll gitgud
HK triumphing over lazerhawks again, nothing new to see here~ Do I win anything for posting with my main? How much do you charge for lessons on posting BTW?
brownie points for main posting. 1b/session for a 5 session course. Guaranteed good poster at the end
Peter Moonlight wrote: Is this your new attempt to get accepted in HK ? Don't cry, ok. ktxhbai
A good investment if you want to avoid posting like this guy^^^
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Peter Moonlight
Lazerhawks
146
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Posted - 2015.04.10 10:31:18 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:Luft Reich wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:he lost ships you lost ships? Why does anyone care?
you lost the duel tho since you went to the KBs first. maybe next time you'll gitgud
HK triumphing over lazerhawks again, nothing new to see here~ Do I win anything for posting with my main? How much do you charge for lessons on posting BTW? brownie points for main posting. 1b/session for a 5 session course. Guaranteed good poster at the end Peter Moonlight wrote: Is this your new attempt to get accepted in HK ? Don't cry, ok. ktxhbai
A good investment if you want to avoid posting like this guy^^^ +3 points for being honest )). We need leaderboards, right? |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
957
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Posted - 2015.04.10 11:40:45 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:stuff
The k-space scrub of our hearts GÖÑ, stop wasting time arguing with a coward. |
Andrew Jester
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1139
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Posted - 2015.04.10 14:46:38 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:stuff The k-space scrub of our hearts GÖÑ, stop wasting time arguing with a coward.
Not one step back, I fight to good fight~
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
941
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Posted - 2015.04.10 15:55:11 -
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So yeah, pretty much what Jack said. I'll give a few refinement tips.
Warp all your dreads in first. As soon as they leave grid have your primary carrier (triage warp in also). This few seconds of staggering puts aggro on one of the dreads and gives the carrier a few seconds to do whatever the carrier guys does upon landing. Siege non aggro'd dreads as soon as they slow down. Siege the aggro'd dread as soon as aggro swaps to the carrier.
kill 1st 3 esc waves
As the guardian numbers dwindle, time the second carrier to spawn the final wave w/ a few guardians left. The goal is to not waste any lock time on the dreads, but give the final wave a few moments to get into optimal slaughter range.
A practiced crew can normally get it done in 2 siege cycles w/ 2 dreads.
Chimmy is best 1st carrier. Second can be just about anything (I'd recommend another chimmy just because why make it difficult). Everything should be shield tanked (yeah even the dude that just has to bring a rev - shield tank is fine).
EXTRA STUFF
Hugins are nice adds to the fleet for webs and paints. We've even had new guys in drakes painting (not a big help, but the guy gets to be involved until he gets his pulsar bear legs steady). These aren't necessary, but take the 2 siege cycle routine to lazy mode so you can spend more time picking on each other than paying close attention to what you're doing. Keep in mind the alpha is pretty high, so buffer buffer buffer on non capital ships.
Drugs - tracking helps, but again, not necessary.
T2 siege and triage - train these.
Extra dreads - they are nice but you need 5 or so if you're going to flip sites in a single siege cycle.
Having the proper warp in point is key. If you just warp the the site button, then the process gets longer.
If you use webbers and they chase the sleepers - they tend to chase them out of optimal range - keep your subcaps orbiting the triage carrier to prevent this.
Plan B - Have some backup caps at the ready. We've found that every time 2 guys try to multi box sites in the middle of the night that lazerhawks converts all our capitals to kms. Have some replacements somewhere. |
Help They GotMyMoney
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2015.04.10 16:16:01 -
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Luft Reich wrote:Ohhhh hoodie, do you really want me to dig up the picture of your two caps at 300km? Or the Naglfar loss mail of yours....hmmm so many choices. Also post on your main please, or scared of the repercussions?
What are you gonna do? Come to my wh, try to run my sites and die to sleepers again? Or try to gank me running sites and die to sleepers?
A guy asks for help to run sites and gets a bunch of nerds being smug about something they failed so many times? Id understand if it was QEX or HK, but lazersomething out of all people.
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1139
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Posted - 2015.04.10 16:25:27 -
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ROUND 2
FIGHT!
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Luft Reich
Lazerhawks
72
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Posted - 2015.04.11 00:19:23 -
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Step 1 - Go to top of screen and log out Step 2 - Log into main character Step 3 - Post with main character Step 4 - Still be salty
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Michael1995
Lazerhawks
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Posted - 2015.04.11 02:25:07 -
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Help They GotMyMoney wrote: What are you gonna do? Come to my wh, try to run my sites and die to sleepers again? Or try to gank me running sites and die to sleepers?
A guy asks for help to run sites and gets a bunch of nerds being smug about something they failed so many times? Id understand if it was QEX or HK, but lazersomething out of all people.
I wasn't aware Republic Military School lived in wormholes. Is that a new initiative for living out of shattered magnetars?
One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm.
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1140
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Posted - 2015.04.11 03:39:11 -
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you obviously don't know NPC corps true power
b-baka
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