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The Sun's Anvil
Jednota Inc
11
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Posted - 2015.04.07 13:41:05 -
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This will be a very noob question I know, but where are all the kills coming from in Jita? Do people routinely get friends to pod them as a quick way back to their home system? Are there just so many people that the NPC defenses/concord cant keep up with gankers? |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
703
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Posted - 2015.04.07 13:46:14 -
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Jita is the most visited system. It's not obvious that it will have a huge amount of kills?
CONCORD does not protect, they punish after the act, so they aren't a hindrance when it comes to destroying ships.
They just make it harder to pull off in a 0.9.
Did I understand your question properly?
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Aaril
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
6
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Posted - 2015.04.07 13:58:05 -
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Mercenaries also kill on the Jita undock. Here are some example mercenary killboards (notice how they have have no Concord losses):
https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99005256/
https://zkillboard.com/alliance/1680888152/
I actually was not aware of how common this was until I joined a corporation that has been permanently wardecced by various corps/alliances. If you do join a corporation that has a wardec problem I advise you move 2+ jumps away from your desired hub and use Red Frog to haul everything (a very low SP alt on the same account can be used to make your purchases). It is *VERY* cheap. |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1522
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Posted - 2015.04.07 14:08:16 -
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Wars, ganks, duels, low sec status, crimewatch timers, mercs, etc.
Jita is the largest gathering point in the game, so all those things come crashing together in beautiful explosions.
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The Sun's Anvil
Jednota Inc
11
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Posted - 2015.04.07 14:20:33 -
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So visiting there a couple times a week for a few months and never been targeted is just pure luck (or perhaps "getting lost in the crowd")? Should one expect to, sooner or later, get caught in some sort of cross fire? |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
706
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Posted - 2015.04.07 14:29:13 -
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The Sun's Anvil wrote:So visiting there a couple times a week for a few months and never been targeted is just pure luck (or perhaps "getting lost in the crowd")? Should one expect to, sooner or later, get caught in some sort of cross fire? Nonono much easier.
Buy frigate. Buy PLEX. Put PLEX in cargo. Undock.
You're welcome. (:
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Paranoid Loyd
4570
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Posted - 2015.04.07 15:15:00 -
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The Sun's Anvil wrote:So visiting there a couple times a week for a few months and never been targeted is just pure luck (or perhaps "getting lost in the crowd")? Should one expect to, sooner or later, get caught in some sort of cross fire? You probably have not been carrying anything anyone wants.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
269
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Posted - 2015.04.07 15:21:53 -
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as a general rule:
If I actually notice someone screwing up with a passive targeting system, my estimates is that about 100 were successful at the Jita undock or surrounding gates.
If you didn't know, passive targeting is possible, where you can lock a target without any visual notifications to the target. But new players with the system often think it works like every other module and it runs a normal, visible lock.
Not sure if its been fixed, but you used to have to actually click on the ship in space and not the overview with your passive targeting mod active to achieve the stealthy scanning lock.
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1522
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Posted - 2015.04.07 15:34:49 -
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The Sun's Anvil wrote:So visiting there a couple times a week for a few months and never been targeted is just pure luck (or perhaps "getting lost in the crowd")? Should one expect to, sooner or later, get caught in some sort of cross fire?
Oh, you've been targeted, scanned, prodded, considered, and ultimately decided to not be worth it.
Give it time
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voetius
Quiet Days in Clichy
339
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Posted - 2015.04.07 17:36:52 -
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The Sun's Anvil wrote:This will be a very noob question I know, but where are all the kills coming from in Jita? Do people routinely get friends to pod them as a quick way back to their home system? Are there just so many people that the NPC defenses/concord cant keep up with gankers?
Jita is home to some mercenaries as noted above. You can see what is going on there in terms of ship and pod kills by going to zkillboard and entering a solar system name in the search field to bring up Jita.
Also, a couple of weeks ago there was a player that was killing hundreds of pods a day, looked like he was dueling an alt as some sort of advertisement thing , they may still be up to this and inflating the figures. |
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
9321
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Posted - 2015.04.07 18:06:37 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:The Sun's Anvil wrote:So visiting there a couple times a week for a few months and never been targeted is just pure luck (or perhaps "getting lost in the crowd")? Should one expect to, sooner or later, get caught in some sort of cross fire? Nonono much easier. Buy frigate. Buy PLEX. Put PLEX in cargo. Undock. You're welcome. (: Much cheaper than that, 1) mouth off in one of the mercenary threads over in crime and punishment , 2) upon the immediate war dec go to a trade hub (doesn't matter which one).
Ned Thomas wrote:Oh, you've been targeted, scanned, prodded, considered, and ultimately decided to not be worth it. Give it time
many times over, exercise paranoid behaviour when actually carrying anything of value in or near a hub like jita or amarr.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4784
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Posted - 2015.04.07 18:18:38 -
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The Sun's Anvil wrote:So visiting there a couple times a week for a few months and never been targeted is just pure luck (or perhaps "getting lost in the crowd")? Should one expect to, sooner or later, get caught in some sort of cross fire? There is no indication you are being targeted when someone uses a Passive Targeting Array module.
I assure you that every ship that doesn't insta-warp upon undock (FYI: Jita 4 - Moon 1 is aligned with the Jita 4 - 4 undock), or that slow-boats to the docking ring, is being scanned.
If you are carrying enough ISK to make it worthwhile, you will be attacked.
Blockade Runners are an exception, as people will attack them anytime they are uncloaked. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4949
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Posted - 2015.04.08 03:48:42 -
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By far the majority of kills in Jita are wardec kills, mostly on the Perimeter gate. Ganks are a distant second, duels and suspect baiters make up most of the rest.
When at war, I only ever enter Jita by interceptor, never use the Perimeter - Jita gate, and have an instant dock and instant undock prepared at the hub station.
If you want to get into some fights in Jita, make a corporation with a few people, and post a thread in the Crime and Punishment forums saying "Ganking needs to be nerfed it's too easy to gank in highsec I should be able to mine and carry PLEX if I want to". You'll get wardecced. Then, get in a super-tanky ship (a Hyperion will work well) and crash the Perimeter - Jita gate in it, with your corp hiding significant reinforcements 2 jumps away.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
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Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
101
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Posted - 2015.04.08 05:09:10 -
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The Sun's Anvil wrote:So visiting there a couple times a week for a few months and never been targeted is just pure luck (or perhaps "getting lost in the crowd")? Should one expect to, sooner or later, get caught in some sort of cross fire?
To a certain degree, its luck. If you'd like to up your chances of getting ganked in Jita, join a corp that's part of an alliance. The intricate web of alliance animosities will ensure you're red to someone. Beyond that, carrying anything of value in a lowbie indy tends to bring on the vultures. You're just such easy pickings. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4950
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Posted - 2015.04.08 05:13:45 -
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Traejun DiSanctis wrote: Beyond that, carrying anything of value in a lowbie indy tends to bring on the vultures. You're just such easy pickings.
I don't call them vultures. I term them educators.
They teach valuable lessons indeed. The costs may be considerable and are never disclosed in advance.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
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Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
101
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Posted - 2015.04.08 05:36:06 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Traejun DiSanctis wrote: Beyond that, carrying anything of value in a lowbie indy tends to bring on the vultures. You're just such easy pickings.
I don't call them vultures. I term them educators. They teach valuable lessons indeed. The costs may be considerable and are never disclosed in advance.
Oh, don't get me wrong... I've been the vulture/educator on many occasions. I've since come to find that sort of thing distasteful and rather uninspiring. I'd prefer a good fight to a stomping. Besides, in most situations, what I've received from the kill is worth way less than what I've taken from that (likely new) player.
Getting ganked at a gate just forces people to hate EvE. I'd prefer new people stick around so I can kill them later... when they're in something worth killing. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4950
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Posted - 2015.04.08 07:50:49 -
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Oh, don't get me wrong... I've been the vulture/educator on many occasions. I've since come to find that sort of thing distasteful and rather uninspiring. I'd prefer a good fight to a stomping. Besides, in most situations, what I've received from the kill is worth way less than what I've taken from that (likely new) player.
Getting ganked at a gate just forces people to hate EvE. I'd prefer new people stick around so I can kill them later... when they're in something worth killing.
CCP's own research indicates that players under fifteen days old are more likely to be retained if they lose at least one ship in PVP, and whether it is Crimewatch sanctioned PVP or a gank does not change that. (Source - CCP Fozzie, FanFest this year).
I was thrilled as a newbie when someone attacked me illegally under lowsec station guns, I wasn't expecting it and it got the blood pumping, especially given that I escaped.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
465
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Posted - 2015.04.08 10:39:32 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote: CCP's own research indicates that players under fifteen days old are more likely to be retained if they lose at least one ship in PVP, and whether it is Crimewatch sanctioned PVP or a gank does not change that. (Source - CCP Fozzie, FanFest this year).
I'm sure there is a certain amount of truth to that but he kind of left out the fact that a certain type of player is going to wind up in situations that are more likely to end up in PvP. I think this game has an appeal to the explorer types. People who like to try stuff out and see what happens. Those are the type of person that I think will like eve and also the type more likely to jump into questionable situations.
I saw Fozzie's fan fest NPE presentation and I had a chicken and egg type questioning of the stats when he said them. Not that I think it matters much because the type of player that would leave eve just because he got ganked probably would not have like the game anyway even if he / she had not gotten ganked.
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1628
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Posted - 2015.04.08 18:56:12 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:The Sun's Anvil wrote:So visiting there a couple times a week for a few months and never been targeted is just pure luck (or perhaps "getting lost in the crowd")? Should one expect to, sooner or later, get caught in some sort of cross fire? Oh, you've been targeted, scanned, prodded, considered, and ultimately decided to not be worth it. Give it time
^^this Nowhere in eve is 100% safe, after all, and things wouldn't be very interesting if they were. Don't worry, your cargo has been scanned many times. People are looking for targets they judge worth losing their usually-for-that-purpose-anyway ship for and perhaps some other factors. They're looking for that frigate or shuttle carrying plex or a hauler packed with valuable cargo.
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