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kraken11 jensen
The Gallant Collective Requiem Eternal
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Posted - 2015.04.08 10:12:59 -
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i'm wondering what you guys think about training battlecruiser lvl 5 or destroyer lvl 5 (racial) after the change where they splitted from non racial.. to racial..And i'm curious how it make you guys feel? (personally it's demotivating maby? i feel like not training it. because of that reson that some people did indeed only have to train battlecruiser/destroyer once. so, yeah. idk what to say. (this is no way meant to be any ''tears/rage'' thing. :) |
ChromeStriker
Out of Focus Odin's Call
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Posted - 2015.04.08 10:22:11 -
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hmmm .... sounds like sneaky tears to me...
"Older players dont have to train 4 racial skills *sniff*"
.... yup tears
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
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Posted - 2015.04.08 10:29:12 -
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It makes me feel smug and very satisfied to have trained BC and Destroyers to level 5 prior to the change. In fact, it is a driving force behind my superiority complex. I saved so much time training those skills once compared to what lowly newbies have to go through now. I don't know how you manage to even play the game now after that change.
How does it make you feel OP?
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
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Xylem Viliana
Protomonolithic
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Posted - 2015.04.08 10:32:29 -
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Anyone around before the change should have trained them if they were smart. A few people made alts and trained them just to sell them after IIRC. If you didnt because you didnt want to or whatever.... tough.
New players are a little different, for you its always been that way. Just because a change happened a year before you started playing doesnt mean it should all revert back, EVE moves forward. if you want all BC's at level 5 train them. If you dont, then dont. Fact is there are now 4 skills for dessy and BC. And unless CCP decide to change it thats the way it will stay. |
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.04.08 10:54:40 -
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The question is why would you train BC to 5 as they stand now.
Why do bad threads happen to good people?
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Niobe Song
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.08 11:06:59 -
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Because command ships are so pretty? And they are going to get to warp faster in the next expansion? |
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.04.08 11:07:08 -
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This thread has been moved to Skill Discussions.
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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ChromeStriker
Out of Focus Odin's Call
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Posted - 2015.04.08 11:07:59 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:The question is why would you train BC to 5 as they stand now.
Instablap Tornado's.....
Edit theres a skill discussion forum!!....
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Xylem Viliana
Protomonolithic
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Posted - 2015.04.08 11:09:48 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:The question is why would you train BC to 5 as they stand now.
freightergank talos instablap tornado pos bash oracle the naga though..... meh |
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
292
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Posted - 2015.04.08 12:12:51 -
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I have destroyer 5 and Battle cruiser 5 for all 4 because I had them from before the change . You jelly? My alts do not though but meh, It only really matters if you plan to cross train everything like I am doing.
I had the command ships trained before you were required to train all those leadership skills as well, So even though I can pilot all the command ships I can't really master them yet. |
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
343
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Posted - 2015.04.08 15:06:35 -
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Xylem Viliana wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote:The question is why would you train BC to 5 as they stand now. freightergank talos instablap tornado pos bash oracle the naga though..... meh Don't forget Commandships.
I don't mind the chance, is it more work now? Yes. But it also makes sense this way. And if you don't see the need for it, then don't train them to 5.. problem solved. |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.08 15:38:00 -
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It was kind of odd before, that the skill helped all races. I mean, there isn't a Frigate V that helps all races, nor a Battleship V that helps all races. Those kind of skills are more of the T2 variety. Like Logistics V, Command ships V, etc. etc. But: It was odd in a good way, so I trained it early on, even though all I flew was a Drake at the time.
That was then, and this is now. If you want an average/sub-par BC, just train it to IV. If you want the best BC you can field, you better train the skill to V. Chances are, the guy shooting at you has his trained to V.
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kraken11 jensen
The Gallant Collective Requiem Eternal
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Posted - 2015.04.08 16:06:11 -
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Well, for older players that have destroyer lvl 5 (before split) witch means now (when) the different t3 destroyers come out they can directly start training the t3 destroyers. So, personally it have just ended up with that I don't bother training that skills (that was only 2 skills before) more than necessarily (like, to unlock battleships 'etc) I could've trained it if it still was 1 skill (not racial) (to lvl 5) but its not. :P
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Sheeth Athonille
Baconic Plague Hofmann's Heroes
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Posted - 2015.04.08 17:02:25 -
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What were the prerequisites before the change? Now you need to have racial cruiser to lvl 3, did you need them all to lvl 3 back then? And if you didn't have them trained, did you also those bumped up? Something I just thought of and was curious |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2015.04.08 18:44:04 -
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Sheeth Athonille wrote:What were the prerequisites before the change? Now you need to have racial cruiser to lvl 3, did you need them all to lvl 3 back then? And if you didn't have them trained, did you also those bumped up? Something I just thought of and was curious
iirc, the Battlecruiser and Destroyer skills just required a certain level of Spaceship Command, then the ships required both levels in Battlecruiser/Destroyer and the racial Cruiser/Frigate |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
343
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Posted - 2015.04.08 19:03:52 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:Sheeth Athonille wrote:What were the prerequisites before the change? Now you need to have racial cruiser to lvl 3, did you need them all to lvl 3 back then? And if you didn't have them trained, did you also those bumped up? Something I just thought of and was curious iirc, the Battlecruiser and Destroyer skills just required a certain level of Spaceship Command, then the ships required both levels in Battlecruiser/Destroyer and the racial Cruiser/Frigate Correct. Dessy and BC skills required only Spaceship Command, so you could train them whenever. But the Hull itself required lvl4 of the Racial Cruiser skill (and the skills needed to get to it..)
So you could have BCV and be unable to fly any BC's :) |
Sheeth Athonille
Baconic Plague Hofmann's Heroes
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Posted - 2015.04.08 21:40:50 -
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Ahh cool, thanks for the clarification |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2015.04.10 05:44:26 -
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I didn't like the change at the time and I still don't like it now. I thought then (and still think) that having race-agnostic ship options was a great way to introduce players to the strengths and weaknesses of other races without much commitment.
However, that's gone and it's likely to stay gone. Under the current system you're mad not to train ship command skills you use to 5 regardless of how things used to be. Ship bonuses are huge compared to most skills. If you can't muster up the motivation be prepared to be shredded by those who can. |
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