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arkarsk
Provenance.
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Posted - 2006.11.02 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Amon 'Chakai
That's just my view of things, if you want to believe otherwise feel free to do so but to stereotype things even worse here's my personal opinion about eastern-europeans:
" BS "
Get your belligerent, ignorant crap out of here - I'm Polish and reading your grossly inaccurate, downright insulting post almost gave me an aneurysm
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Chochko
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.02 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Amon 'Chakai
And what I know abour russia, If they aren't ebaying to get RL money they aren't playing unless they'r middle class or above players all as tbh 15 dollars is quite much.. atleast I can drink easily 1-3 nights with that amount of cash in St.Peterburgs top class bars so that equels about 100-150 euro's for me atleast in Finland. So i'm not personally suprised if this would be true.
You dont know nothing about Russia, believe me... May be this was true 10 years before, but now it is not. Try to update your information and use facts not asumptions.
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Nebba Kenezzer
Minmatar
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.02 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dungar Loghoth
The whole EBay thing is flawed because in order to know it's Red Alliance selling isk, someone from the coalition had to buy isk off of Ebay and get it directly from someone in Red Alliance.
Have you ever heard of FDCOM? Had you ever been in CA?
Zloba and the rest of RUS have a very long history, which you're obviously not privy to.
While were on the subject, I'd like to correct you on a few things:
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth
Past
- Curse Alliance begins to break- One faction gets behind Duke Droklar, another behind Foyle - Shinra + Co leave over a dispute with Foyle, goes to Period Basis. A month or so later, Foyle's faction leaves for Vale of the Silent and Tribute.
Shinra + Co did not leave over a dispute with Foyle; VOTF announced to the entire council that they were leaving in early January 2005, hence why the entire alliance decided to go their seperate ways. Foyle had no "faction"--she hooked up with a few ex-CA corps and created F.O.E. Other CA corps developed a new alliance and based in GW.
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth
- ATUK comes down from Venal and Tenal after Phoenix Alliance surrenders to a Pre- BoB Alliance (RKK, EVOL, ATUK). Conquers Detorid, Curse Alliance offically dead. This is why ATUK went back to BoB after forming DICE - most of them are old, old friends.
ATUK had strong ties with SA, BOB, etc. They lived in PO4 (in Curse).
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth
- Pre-Five Form (Known as The Breakfast Burrito Alliance, or BBA): ATUK and Shinra enter into talks, invite BOS, Black Reign, Supremacy - All but ATUK are ex-CA members or made of up ex-CA members. Very few people know how ATUK and Shinra got talking.
Hmm, perhaps ATUK were CA members? Yes, indeed.
SNRA + ATUK strengthened relations even more whilst conquering Fountain, Delve, & Period Basis with BOB.
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth
- XETIC tries to lay down ground rules for BBA to follow, ****ing everyone in .5. off.
No; XETIC basically went to all of our allies (SE, etc.) and said that if we fired on XETIC, they would declare us hostile.
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth
4/20/05 - The Five go to war with Xetic over the shooting of a .5. hauler. The hauler was empty and auto-piloted around XETIC space until it was blown up. The Five take the first station that same night.:
The hauler belonged to Shredder and it was blown up in KLMT (1 jump from HLW in Curse).
Nebba - The Vocal Majority
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Amon 'Chakai
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.02 09:00:00 -
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Edited by: Amon ''Chakai on 02/11/2006 09:04:51
Originally by: La Tortura
Edited by: La Tortura on 02/11/2006 07:21:49
Originally by: Amon 'Chakai
logging off as tactic and crashing nodes as strategy aren't that far away from each other.
And what I know abour russia, If they aren't ebaying to get RL money they aren't playing unless they'r middle class or above players all as tbh 15 dollars is quite much.. atleast I can drink easily 1-3 nights with that amount of cash in St.Peterburgs top class bars so that equels about 100-150 euro's for me atleast in Finland.
15 bucks for a 3 nights in SPB top class bars? lol. I would say this is just blatant lie, and everybody who lives here would agree with me.
Just FYI: 1 pint of Ginness = $5-$6 here, a bottle of cheap whiskey (Red Label) in bar - about $35 at least etc. And these prices are not for top-class bars, but for very democratic middle-class ones. For $15 (about 380 roubles) you could drink a couple pints of cheap domestic beer here and have a frugal meal in a cheap cafe, no more.
Been to London 2 weeks ago, and found that prices in middle and low class bars and restaurants are pretty equal in London and Moscow. In continental Europe prices are usually lower. So please, stop all this bullsh*t about things you you've read in massmedia which you personally know nothing about.
In short, $15 here is next to nothing, at least in large cities.
Those aren't russian drinks, do you even know what yer students/construction workers drink there..
(I think I specifically said something about non-middle/non-high class)and it for sure as hell isn't import stuff as it costs x 10 in comparison to russian drinks. Bit wierd when I was the last time was last january I think and I used at worst 250euro's in week and I was in hotel moscow and drunk 24/7 for a week and eated out... dunno maybe I drink just little. Though the week after that I was supervising the construction areas and as I think I particularly mentioned what fits russian style and what lead to my stereotyping whole eastern-europe almost just because about ~100ish people.
Anyways I don't blame if you have students or low paid people selling stuff on ebay with those incomes what they got to pay for the game and earn a bit more but it's more than likely than not than comparison to people in other countries.
And to the polish guy, As I said based on my personal experience then again I haven't been in poland but that happens in russia. Hmm that eastern-europe might have been too much was wondering it earlier, as I only have RL experience of hungary/bulgary/lithuania and Russia.
As I said those are my own experiences is it my own fault that I always hit the bad sides when I don't find the good.
Prove me wrong, but if this logging off/grey tactics etc continue what's the frigging point to try proving me in forums with just few people when ingame actions of many more state clearly otherwise.
edited addition: Yes there's loads of grammar mistakes but i'm in hurry and bored. And the heritaged thingy vs russians might be influencing me a bit aswell if no-one has noticed my nationality yet.
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Treebeard dk
M. Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.02 09:07:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Fubear
Originally by: Treebeard dk
you dont really know what you talk about here m8, its generally known that goon crash nodes on purpose or at least tries to, in case you didnt know, if logging on 450 people in a system with the state the servers are currently in was a serious attempt to fight and not crash the node and the goon forum post stating that they can do it again to crash the nodes and keep their POS's from being taken by the coalition is not proof enough, then I dont know what more you need.
EDIT: just to add, yes it IS nessesary to bring this many people to fight, if you wanna take a serious hit at a hostile POS, you need some dreads and a lot of support so bringing 100 people in from each side aint many tbh and its only a **** shame its not playable as I find it only amasing that so many people have an interest and a dediation to wanna be in the same system all at the same time in a virtual world :)
So what proof do you have that Goon purposely try to crash nodes?
You have a quote from their CEO saying that they have the capability to bring so many people to a fight that the servers cannot cope. Stating they have that capability does not mean they have ever deliberately tried to crash a node by doing so, and does not mean they do it regularly.
You have a single shuttle kill in their home system weeks ago that was carrying bookmarks. There are a number of reasons to carry bookmarks in your cargo hold, yet you automatically assume it was a bookmark bomb designed to crash the node, and again say that it is something they do regularly without any proof to back it up.
The reason people generally assume that the Goons crash (or attempt to) nodes is because of people like you who regularly make the accusations without any sort of proof whatsoever, or very weak circumstantial evidence at the most.
I dare you to prove me wrong!
Please give specific cases of them DELIBERATELY trying to crash the node. You examples have to have concrete evidence that proves without a shadow of a doubt that the attempt was deliberate.
For proof, check Jaabaa Prime's post on page 3, the quote on the "goonleader" is from a forum post in goon forum, what more proof do you need than the writing of a goonleader posting it as a weapon?
The entire section of that propaganda-post looks like this:
"If RA and GS begin to get deathstars up in places like KZF, RYC, 1V-, or any KOS/LV/V outpost/station system, it will mean the beginning of the end for that system. A deathstar POS will be virtually impossible to kill because we can 1) time the stront to come out when we have 400 GS pilots online to fight the
SoCo, 2) jump capitals in to defend the POS directly from RA prime, 3) almost certainly crash the node if we choose to do so (hello XZH), 4) use the deathstar as a platform to launch even more attacks against in-system POSs, requiring the entire Southern Coalition to camp that system 24 hours a day to prevent us
from doing so."
I rest my case.
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La Tortura
Infinite Style Incorporated
Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.02 09:35:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Amon 'Chakai
Those aren't russian drinks, do you even know what yer students/construction workers drink there..
Man, I know what they drink, and I yself was a student 7 years ago, but please don't call these bars where they drink "top class" bars. If you ever happen to be in the real top class bar, prices there would unpleasantly surprise you, even if you're a son of Rockfeller. Middle class are similar to London and usually a bit more expensive than continental Western Europe ones.
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(I think I specifically said something about non-middle/non-high class)
You said that $15 is enought to boose in top class bar. That's a lie.
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and it for sure as hell isn't import stuff as it costs x 10 in comparison to russian drinks. Bit wierd when I was the last time was last january I think and I used at worst 250euro's in week and I was in hotel moscow and drunk 24/7 for a week and eated out... dunno maybe I drink just little.
You probably saved and drank some cheap sh*t, that no self-respected Russian would do. Btw, 250 euro / 7 = 35.5 euro a day, that's about $48 a day. Nowhere near $15 a nite you mentioned before.
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Though the week after that I was supervising the construction areas and as I think I particularly mentioned what fits russian style and what lead to my stereotyping whole eastern-europe almost just because about ~100ish people.
Construction workers usually don't play videogames and definitelly they don't have time to play for enough time to earn enough.
Students do tho, but you probably haven't communicated with them a lot, just generalizing things instead.
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Anyways I don't blame if you have students or low paid people selling stuff on ebay with those incomes what they got to pay for the game and earn a bit more but it's more than likely than not than comparison to people in other countries.
Again, you pick low payment people who definitelly don't play videogames, students, who do, but who usually have another sources of income, like parents etc, and other people, who has not-so-low-paid jobs (and there's much more people who earns quite a few atm here than poor ones) and trying to make stupid generalisations.
Tbh, when I see (in RL) how you Western people save each penny comparing to us, who are ready to spend much more even when we have less than you, I would say that most e-bayers should be westerners.
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As I said those are my own experiences is it my own fault that I always hit the bad sides when I don't find the good.
Of course, when you choose to spend $15 for a night on business trip in Moscow/Spb you would have bad experiences.
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Prove me wrong, but if this logging off/grey tactics etc continue what's the frigging point to try proving me in forums with just few people when ingame actions of many more state clearly otherwise.
Everyone and his mother do it now. And the more and more people will do it, as it is the ultimate tactics atm. Blame Canada, uhh, CCP.
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edited addition: Yes there's loads of grammar mistakes but i'm in hurry and bored. And the heritaged thingy vs russians might be influencing me a bit aswell if no-one has noticed my nationality yet.
That's strange, but Russians don't have the same "heritage thingies" against, say, Germans. Probably that shows the difference between the strong nations, who can forgive the evils of the past, and the weak ones, who are ready to spend their lifes in such vain hatred and are to repeat mistakes of their past.
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Chochko
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.02 09:40:00 -
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La Tortura
Awesome post...
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Fubear
Vogon Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.02 09:48:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Treebeard dk
For proof, check Jaabaa Prime's post on page 3, the quote on the "goonleader" is from a forum post in goon forum, what more proof do you need than the writing of a goonleader posting it as a weapon?
The entire section of that propaganda-post looks like this:
"If RA and GS begin to get deathstars up in places like KZF, RYC, 1V-, or any KOS/LV/V outpost/station system, it will mean the beginning of the end for that system. A deathstar POS will be virtually impossible to kill because we can 1) time the stront to come out when we have 400 GS pilots online to fight the
SoCo, 2) jump capitals in to defend the POS directly from RA prime, 3) almost certainly crash the node if we choose to do so (hello XZH), 4) use the deathstar as a platform to launch even more attacks against in-system POSs, requiring the entire Southern Coalition to camp that system 24 hours a day to prevent us
from doing so."
I rest my case.
Stating that you have the capability to do something is not the same as doing it.
I will challenge you again to prove me wrong. When have Goonswarm deliberately tried to crash a node, and how do you know it was a deliberate attempt rather than simply more people showing up than the server can cope with!
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Fubear
Vogon Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.02 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Amon 'Chakai
And what I know abour russia, If they aren't ebaying to get RL money they aren't playing unless they'r middle class or above players all as tbh 15 dollars is quite much..
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That's just my view of things, if you want to believe otherwise feel free to do so but to stereotype things even worse here's my personal opinion about eastern-europeans:
" They defend eachother to death even if the other one would be cheating he's ass off and it can be proven 99,99%-100%" After that they might be quiet but don't expect and apology or admission that he was wrong in public. Oh yeah and the fact that if it's not forbidden it's allowed or can be bended fits Russian mentality for sure as hell, There's no **** doubt about it if there is, you haven't been in russia or worked there in construction areas.
These are my stereotyped in my head due to 7 years of online gaming/RL experience, sadly no-one has proven false yet this stereotype and thus forcing me to change my attitude.
Anyways just my personal views of the situation and didn't bother to claim anything what requires facts to back it up so don't even bother yelling "show me da proof".
This is the most inaccurate and openly racist post I have ever read on this forum. I assume you strongly believe that there is nobody on the Chinese server except macro-miners and ISK farmers 
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Amon 'Chakai
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.02 09:58:00 -
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Huoh, So atm your saying that all russians who play the game are funded by they'r parents or are already rich and they don't need to sell at ebay ok. If that's the case ok I hope it is so then we can forget the ebay:ing to certain extent.
About bars, I used maybe 15euro's at bar rest of the amount during day time while eating out etc. Hell I was out with russian students and construction engineers not with my own country mates. Can't say I would live with 15 euro's per day in russia or maybe I could depends on standards.
Anyways any objections to the "If it's not forbidden it's allowed or can be gone around" argument as I used that to descripe russian people. If i'm wrong there, i'm gonna laugh myself to hospital and after that ask how frigging much money you make or your parents do make because you seem to be out of touch with normal workers or how things work in construction area.
About grudges towards nations, I don't think you could have any grudges against those who loose in the end. We lost no surprise there but atleast we didn't bomb civilians on purpose or send raiding parties/paratroopers with orders to terrorize and kill civilian population behind lines.
Anyways we lost quite significant proportion of population and prolly much everyones grandfather served during that time in army and died/wounded or still talks about those times.. yeah grudges last long when especially in small countries. Not to mention we paid few years of war debt to russians and gave land as compensation because "we started the war" anyways it was worth of it but grudges live on still for 50-100 years I think, might be better then as generations change.
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Amon 'Chakai
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.02 10:00:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Fubear
Originally by: Amon 'Chakai
And what I know abour russia, If they aren't ebaying to get RL money they aren't playing unless they'r middle class or above players all as tbh 15 dollars is quite much..
<snip>
That's just my view of things, if you want to believe otherwise feel free to do so but to stereotype things even worse here's my personal opinion about eastern-europeans:
" They defend eachother to death even if the other one would be cheating he's ass off and it can be proven 99,99%-100%" After that they might be quiet but don't expect and apology or admission that he was wrong in public. Oh yeah and the fact that if it's not forbidden it's allowed or can be bended fits Russian mentality for sure as hell, There's no **** doubt about it if there is, you haven't been in russia or worked there in construction areas.
These are my stereotyped in my head due to 7 years of online gaming/RL experience, sadly no-one has proven false yet this stereotype and thus forcing me to change my attitude.
Anyways just my personal views of the situation and didn't bother to claim anything what requires facts to back it up so don't even bother yelling "show me da proof".
This is the most inaccurate and openly racist post I have ever read on this forum. I assume you strongly believe that there is nobody on the Chinese server except macro-miners and ISK farmers
hehe, if you want me to stereotype, then yes. If talking about other things than stereotypes in gaming community there will be players ofc but that doesn't change the image of stereotype of chinese player in online games what is farmer or macroer.
Anyways I'm not talking about inviduals, just stereotypes. What is the image what comes to your head first "when someone says russian/chinese/finnish etc" player.
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Treebeard dk
M. Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.02 10:03:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Fubear
Originally by: Treebeard dk
For proof, check Jaabaa Prime's post on page 3, the quote on the "goonleader" is from a forum post in goon forum, what more proof do you need than the writing of a goonleader posting it as a weapon?
The entire section of that propaganda-post looks like this:
"If RA and GS begin to get deathstars up in places like KZF, RYC, 1V-, or any KOS/LV/V outpost/station system, it will mean the beginning of the end for that system. A deathstar POS will be virtually impossible to kill because we can 1) time the stront to come out when we have 400 GS pilots online to fight the
SoCo, 2) jump capitals in to defend the POS directly from RA prime, 3) almost certainly crash the node if we choose to do so (hello XZH), 4) use the deathstar as a platform to launch even more attacks against in-system POSs, requiring the entire Southern Coalition to camp that system 24 hours a day to prevent us
from doing so."
I rest my case.
Stating that you have the capability to do something is not the same as doing it.
I will challenge you again to prove me wrong. When have Goonswarm deliberately tried to crash a node, and how do you know it was a deliberate attempt rather than simply more people showing up than the server can cope with!
Logging in 400 people is for one purpose only as far as I know, to crash the node, deliberatly or not there is no proof of other than if a node crashes 6 times within a couple of hours when someone is close to take down some POS's I would say its on purpose. You seems to have an interest in proving that goon are angels, whats your interest in this conflict (not ingame so cant check if you are in any alliance)?
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Rythm
Caldari
Privateers
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Posted - 2006.11.02 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Amon 'Chakai
And what I know abour russia, If they aren't ebaying to get RL money they aren't playing unless they'r middle class or above players all as tbh 15 dollars is quite much.. atleast I can drink easily 1-3 nights with that amount of cash in St.Peterburgs top class bars so that equels about 100-150 euro's for me atleast in Finland. So i'm not personally suprised if this would be true.
Man i live in spb and 15 dollars (around 400 roubles give or take) == 2 beers/1 shot of congac/2.5 shots of tequila.
So either it takes just to smell spirits for you to get drunk, or you're talking out of your arse.
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Fubear
Vogon Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.02 10:50:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Treebeard dk
Logging in 400 people is for one purpose only as far as I know, to crash the node, deliberatly or not there is no proof of other than if a node crashes 6 times within a couple of hours when someone is close to take down some POS's I would say its on purpose. You seems to have an interest in proving that goon are angels, whats your interest in this conflict (not ingame so cant check if you are in any alliance)?
Where did this 400 person number come from? I heard that the number of people was 200, and it must have been roughly equal numbers for an engagement to happen. My intel comes from the thread that was posted by LV on that topic.
I also would not consider logging on 400 people to defend a POS dishonorable or an exploit at all.
Finally, to answer your questions about myself, I don't have a personal interest in the conflict at all. My corp is a two person production corp run by myself and my sister, no alliance. I used to have a PvP character in IRON, but I sold it (for ISK) when I realised I much preferred the production and logistics aspect of this game to PvP. I still PvP over the weekends with a bunch of people I know in real life.
I am posting because I hate to see entire groups of people stereotyped as cheaters and exploiters without any proof by their enemies.
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Rythm
Caldari
Privateers
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Posted - 2006.11.02 10:54:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Amon 'Chakai
Edited by: Amon ''Chakai on 02/11/2006 09:04:51
Those aren't russian drinks, do you even know what yer students/construction workers drink there..
(I think I specifically said something about non-middle/non-high class)and it for sure as hell isn't import stuff as it costs x 10 in comparison to russian drinks. Bit wierd when I was the last time was last january I think and I used at worst 250euro's in week and I was in hotel moscow and drunk 24/7 for a week and eated out... dunno maybe I drink just little. Though the week after that I was supervising the construction areas and as I think I particularly mentioned what fits russian style and what lead to my stereotyping whole eastern-europe almost just because about ~100ish people.
Man you're either very brave or very stupid to drink "russian" spirits made in Dagestan from technical ethanol and god knows what else in extremly antisanitary conditions.
As for food you took i assume that it was fresh, and barked before it died :)
Otherwise i dont get how you managed to live on 1k roubles /day eating and drinking in _moscow_ restaurants ^^
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Pastora
Russian SOBR
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:08:00 -
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Amon 'Chakai...
Mister, you are a racist. That's the first thing.
Second, don't get me started about Finnish people... Yes, I have very many Finnish friends -- I like them, I respect them. But there is another part of the population as well, that I don't want to mess around with. Are you one of them?
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Pastora
Russian SOBR
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:10:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Treebeard dk
you dont really know what you talk about here m8, its generally known that goon crash nodes on purpose or at least tries to
Commonly known by whom? By you alone? Or have you heard some whispers on the winds?
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Treebeard dk
M. Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:18:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Pastora
Originally by: Treebeard dk
you dont really know what you talk about here m8, its generally known that goon crash nodes on purpose or at least tries to
Commonly known by whom? By you alone? Or have you heard some whispers on the winds?
common known by anyone who fights against you :)
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Pastora
Russian SOBR
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:20:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Pastora on 02/11/2006 11:21:20
Originally by: Treebeard dk
Originally by: Pastora
Originally by: Treebeard dk
you dont really know what you talk about here m8, its generally known that goon crash nodes on purpose or at least tries to
Commonly known by whom? By you alone? Or have you heard some whispers on the winds?
common known by anyone who fights against you :)
Then I presume I can state that the very same thing - you crashing the nodes - is very commonly known by anybody who fights against you.
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If ifs and ands were pots and pans,
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Treebeard dk
M. Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:20:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Treebeard dk on 02/11/2006 11:20:52
Originally by: Fubear
Originally by: Treebeard dk
Logging in 400 people is for one purpose only as far as I know, to crash the node, deliberatly or not there is no proof of other than if a node crashes 6 times within a couple of hours when someone is close to take down some POS's I would say its on purpose. You seems to have an interest in proving that goon are angels, whats your interest in this conflict (not ingame so cant check if you are in any alliance)?
Where did this 400 person number come from? I heard that the number of people was 200, and it must have been roughly equal numbers for an engagement to happen. My intel comes from the thread that was posted by LV on that topic.
I also would not consider logging on 400 people to defend a POS dishonorable or an exploit at all.
Finally, to answer your questions about myself, I don't have a personal interest in the conflict at all. My corp is a two person production corp run by myself and my sister, no alliance. I used to have a PvP character in IRON, but I sold it (for ISK) when I realised I much preferred the production and logistics aspect of this game to PvP. I still PvP over the weekends with a bunch of people I know in real life.
I am posting because I hate to see entire groups of people stereotyped as cheaters and exploiters without any proof by their enemies.
Info on the 400 people is in the same post as the other proof you asked for before, read it again.
And noone ever said it was an exploit or dishonorable to do, just crashing the node on purpose.
Enough said.
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Treebeard dk
M. Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:22:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Pastora
Originally by: Treebeard dk
Originally by: Pastora
Originally by: Treebeard dk
you dont really know what you talk about here m8, its generally known that goon crash nodes on purpose or at least tries to
Commonly known by whom? By you alone? Or have you heard some whispers on the winds?
common known by anyone who fights against you :)
Then I presume I can state that the same thing is very commonly known by anybody who fights against you.
you can pressume all you want m8, it wont change the fact of what have happend so far.
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Pastora
Russian SOBR
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:23:00 -
[112]
Edited by: Pastora on 02/11/2006 11:23:25
Originally by: Treebeard dk
you can pressume all you want m8, it wont change the fact of what have happend so far.
Like when your fleet was the cause of node crash a few days ago?
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Chochko
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:53:00 -
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I can /sign this - 2 days before 1 LV Black bird and one Craptor Crashed the node infront of me! They were scared of My Caracal of Noob-doom!
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Treebeard dk
M. Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: Treebeard dk on 02/11/2006 11:58:19
Originally by: Pastora
Edited by: Pastora on 02/11/2006 11:23:25
Originally by: Treebeard dk
you can pressume all you want m8, it wont change the fact of what have happend so far.
Like when your fleet was the cause of node crash a few days ago?
Yes, we crash nodes on purpose when we are shooting POS's because it makes sence
Even it that were true, what point are you trying to make that has anything to do with this topic?
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Serathu
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.11.02 12:25:00 -
[115]
Thread cleaned.
Discussion of RL politics or stereotypes is not allowed on the forums, let alone in here. Continuing to discuss the kind of things that have come up in this thread could earn you a very swift forum warning or ban.
Now, back on-topic please!
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Tecam Hund
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.02 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Minh
And its not just that attack a few weeks ago. They seem to be taking the game quite seriously now. It isn't uncommon to see an entire fleet of goons logoff instead of fight. A solid tactic to be sure. A complete 180 from when I fought them in S-U and they would attack and fight almost any numbers at any time. I personally think the Goons are a force to be taken very seriously now.
-- Steve
Wow, this makes me want to cry.  Personally, if my enemy would employ tactics like logging their fleets off, I would just hand them the stations and move on to better things.
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Boonaki
Caldari
Suffoco Noctis
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:47:00 -
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What are the standings like between the goons and ASCN?
Fear the Ibis of doom!
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Cupdeez
Vengeance of the Fallen
Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.02 15:58:00 -
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People are saying Goon lack skilled player and experinces... Although I don't find this to be true
But if you beleave that then you might be supprised when a fleet with 200 players 70 from Red, 100 from Goon, and 30 from IMP show up.
Also if Goon did lack any skilled players or experinces they are getting it from there alliances
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.02 21:59:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 02/11/2006 22:01:20
Edited by: Plutoinum on 02/11/2006 21:59:29
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth
The whole EBay thing is flawed because in order to know it's Red Alliance selling isk, someone from the coalition had to buy isk off of Ebay and get it directly from someone in Red Alliance.
I'm currently in the believe that some Ex-RA complex-runners sold indeed isk on ebay. But I don't say it was an RA as a whole or that most of the isk has ended on ebay and not in the war. Why do I think so ? Because it was a well-known RA, who said in local that he was there to kill those ex-ra guys in the complex and called them ebayers himself.
I wasn't there, I just have seen that part chat-log, Ok, true, might be faked too or he just smacked.
But it turned out that the guy was not joking about that the RA was really there to kill the other ex-ra guys in the plex, since it appears on the killboard. So that part was true.
I have a personal opinion about it and no, it's not that I believe that RA currently does such things on alliance level, because I know nothing that leads to the conclusion.
Maybe some people, but you might find those in other alliances, too.
So well, that my current view is based on. I'm not saying RA and currently, I'm have just my doubts about some indiduals. I'm neither neutral in this war, nor objective. But I don't claim to no the truth. So it's also just blabla somehow. 
And this thing is of no real importance in this war anyway. I believed also from some ex-blue plus-standing guys that they have been makroing/farming, because they did their thing 23/7. I've petitioned them. Nothing happened, but after some weeks they lost their standings anyway and my corp mates killed them a few times. 
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Nebuchadnezzar I
Grettistak
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.02 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Fubear
Originally by: Treebeard dk
you dont really know what you talk about here m8, its generally known that goon crash nodes on purpose or at least tries to, in case you didnt know, if logging on 450 people in a system with the state the servers are currently in was a serious attempt to fight and not crash the node and the goon forum post stating that they can do it again to crash the nodes and keep their POS's from being taken by the coalition is not proof enough, then I dont know what more you need.
EDIT: just to add, yes it IS nessesary to bring this many people to fight, if you wanna take a serious hit at a hostile POS, you need some dreads and a lot of support so bringing 100 people in from each side aint many tbh and its only a **** shame its not playable as I find it only amasing that so many people have an interest and a dediation to wanna be in the same system all at the same time in a virtual world :)
So what proof do you have that Goon purposely try to crash nodes?
You have a quote from their CEO saying that they have the capability to bring so many people to a fight that the servers cannot cope. Stating they have that capability does not mean they have ever deliberately tried to crash a node by doing so, and does not mean they do it regularly.
You have a single shuttle kill in their home system weeks ago that was carrying bookmarks. There are a number of reasons to carry bookmarks in your cargo hold, yet you automatically assume it was a bookmark bomb designed to crash the node, and again say that it is something they do regularly without any proof to back it up.
The reason people generally assume that the Goons crash (or attempt to) nodes is because of people like you who regularly make the accusations without any sort of proof whatsoever, or very weak circumstantial evidence at the most.
I dare you to prove me wrong!
Please give specific cases of them DELIBERATELY trying to crash the node. You examples have to have concrete evidence that proves without a shadow of a doubt that the attempt was deliberate.
Aha, so what you basically are saying: "Just because they include their own ability to crash nodes in their tatical assesments doesnt mean they'll do it"
Why mention a tatical option if you are not actively using it/prepared to do so?
Anyone with insight into the SA community need no evidence of how far goons are willing to go in games though, im not even sure they will deny this themselves.
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