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Jennifer Starfall
Repracor Industries
134
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Posted - 2015.04.10 20:09:05 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote:So, are weapons permitted in the Elysion or not?
I'm uncertain where the lack of clarity lies.
Weapons, whether purpose-built or improvised, are not allowed to be brought into The Elysion. Patrons and visitors violating this policy will be dealt with in a manner appropriate to the situation.
Acts of violence, whether or not they are claimed to be in self defense, are also not tolerated inside The Elysion. Visitors violating this policy will be removed from the premises and banned at the discretion of the management.
It bears noting that the incident on 117-04-08 was only the second time The Elysion has found it necessary to enforce these policies. This would indicate that the clear majority of the patrons of The Elysion understand and, by some extension, appreciate these policies.
If there is a further need from clarification, please contact me via EVE mail.
Jennifer Starfall
Media & Communications, Chief Diplomat
Repracor Industries
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1133
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Posted - 2015.04.10 20:20:44 -
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Jennifer Starfall wrote:Ashlar Vellum wrote:So, are weapons permitted in the Elysion or not? I'm uncertain where the lack of clarity lies. Weapons, whether purpose-built or improvised, are not allowed to be brought into The Elysion. Patrons and visitors violating this policy will be dealt with in a manner appropriate to the situation. Acts of violence, whether or not they are claimed to be in self defense, are also not tolerated inside The Elysion. Visitors violating this policy will be removed from the premises and banned at the discretion of the management. It bears noting that the incident on 117-04-08 was only the second time The Elysion has found it necessary to enforce these policies. This would indicate that the clear majority of the patrons of The Elysion understand and, by some extension, appreciate these policies. If there is a further need from clarification, please contact me via EVE mail. Sooooooooooo........ Can I bring a Drake?
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4622
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Posted - 2015.04.10 21:16:16 -
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Jennifer Starfall wrote: I'm uncertain where the lack of clarity lies.
Weapons, whether purpose-built or improvised, are not allowed to be brought into The Elysion. Patrons and visitors violating this policy will be dealt with in a manner appropriate to the situation.
Actually, I find the above rule impossible to enforce. Whilst I often find myself in places where I cannot be armed, there are a number of things I carry that could be an improvised weapon that I cannot easily divest myself of. Some of these things are even, possibly, definable as purpose-built weapons - such as fists, feet and teeth.
Better to say that acts of aggression are simply not permitted and that those perpetrating them will be ejected with whatever force internal security troops deem to be appropriate. Then not quote your security regulations chapter and verse and leave people a little unsure as to the specifics. Keep 'em wondering.
Experience leads me to believe that if you provide hard and fast rules it just leads to rules lawyering.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
591
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Posted - 2015.04.10 22:07:24 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote: Sooooooooooo........ Can I bring a Drake?
Don't worry, FC says its fine to bring a Drake. |
Jennifer Starfall
Repracor Industries
134
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Posted - 2015.04.10 22:29:43 -
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Mr. Tuulinen,
I am not quoting our secuity regulations, chapter and verse. I'm providing elaboration, as there appears to be uncertainty as to what "no weapons are allowed" means.
Our goal is to provide a safe environment for our patrons. A ban on violence is not sufficient. A person armed with a weapon is inclined to use it. If weapons are allowed, there will be an escalation, and patrons will feel a need to be armed, "just in case." This is not an environment we want to propagate.
We are not asking you to enforce our rules, Mr. Tuulinen, only to follow them. I understand that you are trying to be helpful; however, if you have an actual concern of running afoul of our no weapons policy, please contact me privately.
Jennifer Starfall
Media & Communications, Chief Diplomat
Repracor Industries
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Jennifer Starfall
Repracor Industries
134
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Posted - 2015.04.10 22:32:34 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote: Sooooooooooo........ Can I bring a Drake?
Don't worry, FC says its fine to bring a Drake.
I'm pretty sure in this case, our opinion on the matter would be moot, as the Federal Navy would have a strenuous objection.
Jennifer Starfall
Media & Communications, Chief Diplomat
Repracor Industries
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Ashlar Vellum
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
169
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Posted - 2015.04.10 22:46:00 -
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Jennifer Starfall wrote:Ashlar Vellum wrote:So, are weapons permitted in the Elysion or not? I'm uncertain where the lack of clarity lies. Weapons, whether purpose-built or improvised, are not allowed to be brought into The Elysion. Patrons and visitors violating this policy will be dealt with in a manner appropriate to the situation. Acts of violence, whether or not they are claimed to be in self defense, are also not tolerated inside The Elysion. Visitors violating this policy will be removed from the premises and banned at the discretion of the management. It bears noting that the incident on 117-04-08 was only the second time The Elysion has found it necessary to enforce these policies. This would indicate that the clear majority of the patrons of The Elysion understand and, by some extension, appreciate these policies. If there is a further need from clarification, please contact me via EVE mail. Thank you for the clarification Mrs. Starfall.
So, when Toralen said that Mrs. Raske had a minmatar blade whatever that is and then something about bullets he is flat-out lying or am I misunderstanding something? |
Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1136
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Posted - 2015.04.10 23:48:09 -
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Jennifer Starfall wrote:Rinai Vero wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote: Sooooooooooo........ Can I bring a Drake?
Don't worry, FC says its fine to bring a Drake. I'm pretty sure in this case, our opinion on the matter would be moot, as the Federal Navy would have a strenuous objection. Why would the Federation navy object? I don't think I've pissed them off that much....... Was it the tacks on Blake's chair?
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Jennifer Starfall
Repracor Industries
134
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Posted - 2015.04.10 23:50:13 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Jennifer Starfall wrote:Rinai Vero wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote: Sooooooooooo........ Can I bring a Drake?
Don't worry, FC says its fine to bring a Drake. I'm pretty sure in this case, our opinion on the matter would be moot, as the Federal Navy would have a strenuous objection. Why would the Federation navy object? I don't think I've pissed them off that much....... Was it the tacks on Blake's chair?
They would object because they own the station that you'd be attempting to jam that battlecruiser into.
Jennifer Starfall
Media & Communications, Chief Diplomat
Repracor Industries
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Bourbon Limoges
Maison Ceramique Limoges Chocolatiers
36
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Posted - 2015.04.11 00:09:54 -
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Jennifer Starfall wrote:They would object because they own the station that you'd be attempting to jam that battlecruiser into.
That and it is a fashion nightmare. |
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1138
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Posted - 2015.04.11 00:11:35 -
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Jennifer Starfall wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Jennifer Starfall wrote:Rinai Vero wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote: Sooooooooooo........ Can I bring a Drake?
Don't worry, FC says its fine to bring a Drake. I'm pretty sure in this case, our opinion on the matter would be moot, as the Federal Navy would have a strenuous objection. Why would the Federation navy object? I don't think I've pissed them off that much....... Was it the tacks on Blake's chair? They would object because they own the station that you'd be attempting to jam that battlecruiser into. I just want to bring a drake, not jam it into anything! Poor Drake doesn't deserve that kind of treatment......
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Jennifer Starfall
Repracor Industries
137
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Posted - 2015.04.11 00:27:37 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote:Thank you for the clarification Mrs. Starfall.
So, when Toralen said that Mrs. Raske had a minmatar blade whatever that is and then something about bullets he is flat-out lying or am I misunderstanding something?
Yes, Ms. Ranske was armed with a blade. I haven't inquired into its specific make; they're not my thing. And yes, Mr. Vicious and and our security personnel did use lethal force. In their assessment of the situation, it was warranted.
Repracor Industries personnel are a trusted adjunct to The Elysion's security forces. Given that The Elysion is a capsuleer establishement, this is only prudent.
So, to answer your question, no he was not lying about that.
Jennifer Starfall
Media & Communications, Chief Diplomat
Repracor Industries
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Zenariae
Little Butterfly Enterprises
196
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Posted - 2015.04.11 02:21:13 -
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Dailar Toralen wrote: My formal apologies have been submitted to Jeniffer Starfall and most of the major staff of Repracor Industries. And as to Zenariae, I hope this do not disturb our dealings with the art I bought.
I will honour our transaction Mr Dailar, the funds will go towards a worthy cause, but I kind of doubt the veracity of your claims in anything, including you being an art dealer. A syringe filled with acid is a rather specific kind of thing to smuggle into an establishment and demonstrates intent on your part to circumvent and deceive and displays a clear disrespect for the patrons of the Elysion who place confidence in the safety of its environment. You will have to arrange your own pickup of the works you purchased however with the establishment owners, as I simply don't trust you. |
Lasairiona Raske
Repracor Industries
181
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Posted - 2015.04.11 09:36:41 -
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Jennifer Starfall wrote:Ashlar Vellum wrote:Thank you for the clarification Mrs. Starfall.
So, when Toralen said that Mrs. Raske had a minmatar blade whatever that is and then something about bullets he is flat-out lying or am I misunderstanding something? Yes, Ms. Ranske was armed with a blade. I haven't inquired into its specific make; they're not my thing. And yes, Mr. Vicious and and our security personnel did use lethal force. In their assessment of the situation, it was warranted. Repracor Industries personnel are a trusted adjunct to The Elysion's security forces. Given that The Elysion is a capsuleer establishement, this is only prudent. So, to answer your question, no he was not lying about that.
I should clarify, it was not a minmatar blade (clearly he needs to do better research on his knives) and it was only drawn after I was threatened by him. Miss Starfall is correct. I established the situation as warranting that kind of reaction. I did not strike him as security was able to intervene before then. He did attempt to throw the syringe at my person, but that was a rather weak attack tactic. |
Viron Tash-Murkon
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.04.11 12:09:35 -
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Anybody want popcorn? |
Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
24
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Posted - 2015.04.11 12:12:24 -
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Jennifer Starfall wrote:Ashlar Vellum wrote:Thank you for the clarification Mrs. Starfall.
So, when Toralen said that Mrs. Raske had a minmatar blade whatever that is and then something about bullets he is flat-out lying or am I misunderstanding something? Yes, Ms. Ranske was armed with a blade. I haven't inquired into its specific make; they're not my thing. And yes, Mr. Vicious and and our security personnel did use lethal force. In their assessment of the situation, it was warranted. Repracor Industries personnel are a trusted adjunct to The Elysion's security forces. Given that The Elysion is a capsuleer establishement, this is only prudent. So, to answer your question, no he was not lying about that.
Perhaps they could have better assessed the situation if Raske had not disabled security cameras. Also, I was the first one to be threatened. Raske purely stated a threat, and I responded by stating I was armed. She responded by drawing. Also, the needle was thrown as I was being littered with bullets.
On a sidenote, I am glad I will still be able to own the art. I have a contact (Cakzad Arcashiri) who wishes to purchase the art for his estate on Eclipticum.
We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
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Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
118
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Posted - 2015.04.11 13:45:04 -
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Dailar Toralen wrote:Jennifer Starfall wrote:Ashlar Vellum wrote:Thank you for the clarification Mrs. Starfall.
So, when Toralen said that Mrs. Raske had a minmatar blade whatever that is and then something about bullets he is flat-out lying or am I misunderstanding something? Yes, Ms. Ranske was armed with a blade. I haven't inquired into its specific make; they're not my thing. And yes, Mr. Vicious and and our security personnel did use lethal force. In their assessment of the situation, it was warranted. Repracor Industries personnel are a trusted adjunct to The Elysion's security forces. Given that The Elysion is a capsuleer establishement, this is only prudent. So, to answer your question, no he was not lying about that. Perhaps they could have better assessed the situation if Raske had not disabled security cameras. Also, I was the first one to be threatened. Raske purely stated a threat, and I responded by stating I was armed. She responded by drawing. Also, the needle was thrown as I was being littered with bullets. On a sidenote, I am glad I will still be able to own the art. I have a contact (Cakzad Arcashiri) who wishes to purchase the art for his estate on Eclipticum.
You smuggled a weapon into my bar and broke my rules. Further more you smuggled in a weapon that would be used for assassination more than defence. Stop acting the victim. |
Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
24
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Posted - 2015.04.11 16:47:48 -
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Assissination? Really? What would be the point of that if the purpose would just wake up again?
We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
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Jennifer Starfall
Repracor Industries
137
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Posted - 2015.04.11 17:02:53 -
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Dailar Toralen wrote:Assissination? Really? What would be the point of that if the purpose would just wake up again?
Ms. Ember wasn't commenting on your intentions but on the utility of your weapon. Which was a weapon in an establishment that bans weapons. In the course of corporate espionage. You've acknowledged both of these points. I'm not exactly sure where you're going from here. Perhaps you'd like to salvage what shreds of your credibility remain and set an appointment with me to discuss anything further?
Jennifer Starfall
Media & Communications, Chief Diplomat
Repracor Industries
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Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
24
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Posted - 2015.04.11 17:43:49 -
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Perhaps I would.
We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
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Ashlar Vellum
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
171
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Posted - 2015.04.12 20:58:38 -
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Jennifer Starfall wrote:Ashlar Vellum wrote:Thank you for the clarification Mrs. Starfall.
So, when Toralen said that Mrs. Raske had a minmatar blade whatever that is and then something about bullets he is flat-out lying or am I misunderstanding something? Yes, Ms. Ranske was armed with a blade. I haven't inquired into its specific make; they're not my thing. And yes, Mr. Vicious and and our security personnel did use lethal force. In their assessment of the situation, it was warranted. Repracor Industries personnel are a trusted adjunct to The Elysion's security forces. Given that The Elysion is a capsuleer establishement, this is only prudent. So, to answer your question, no he was not lying about that. Once again thank you for clarifying things.
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Cakzad Arcashiri
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.04.13 00:15:17 -
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I recently found out that Misses Raske is the adopted sister of a Holder (I think Raske is a holder to, but as I am not certain I will not include this information).
Mister Toralen recently expressed strong Anti-Holder views in several ways. Perhaps this could be a possible motive, or a secondary motive if Toralen did indeed attempt to insert a spy in Repracor Industries.
For those interested, I am conducting a personal investigation into this incident. Anyone with information or who would like to see what I have on this case, feel free to message me. |
Lasairiona Raske
Repracor Industries
183
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Posted - 2015.04.13 14:53:51 -
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You were given no authority to publish my personal, undocumented information. Please cease and desist or I will enlist legal support of my own. |
Sixx Vicious
Repracor Industries
14
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Posted - 2015.04.13 15:06:22 -
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Cakzad Arcashiri wrote:I recently found out that Misses Raske is the adopted sister of a Holder (I think Raske is a holder to, but as I am not certain I will not include this information).
Mister Toralen recently expressed strong Anti-Holder views in several ways. Perhaps this could be a possible motive, or a secondary motive if Toralen did indeed attempt to insert a spy in Repracor Industries.
For those interested, I am conducting a personal investigation into this incident. Anyone with information or who would like to see what I have on this case, feel free to message me.
You have been ousted as a fraud, imposter and a liar already. What credibility you had has long since been washed away with that. Your "investigation" seems at this point nothing more than a sad attempt at harassment on behalf of a knob-jockey who got his butt hurt when dealing with grown ups.
Hawk style Thukk Life.
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1144
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Posted - 2015.04.13 15:29:20 -
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Cakzad Arcashiri wrote:I recently found out that Misses Raske is the adopted sister of a Holder (I think Raske is a holder to, but as I am not certain I will not include this information).
Mister Toralen recently expressed strong Anti-Holder views in several ways. Perhaps this could be a possible motive, or a secondary motive if Toralen did indeed attempt to insert a spy in Repracor Industries.
For those interested, I am conducting a personal investigation into this incident. Anyone with information or who would like to see what I have on this case, feel free to message me. I have also conducted, and concluded, my own investigation. Results: everyone is guilty and I don't care.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Bourbon Limoges
Maison Ceramique Limoges Chocolatiers
39
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Posted - 2015.04.13 16:31:55 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote: I have also conducted, and concluded, my own investigation. Results: everyone is guilty and I don't care.
You're just bitter about the Drake. |
Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1144
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Posted - 2015.04.13 16:34:53 -
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Bourbon Limoges wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote: I have also conducted, and concluded, my own investigation. Results: everyone is guilty and I don't care.
You're just bitter about the Drake. Q.Q why does nobody like the drake.......
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Jennifer Starfall
Repracor Industries
141
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Posted - 2015.04.13 16:38:12 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Q.Q why does nobody like the drake.......
I love my Drake. It's just not something I would bring along as a drinking buddy.
Jennifer Starfall
Media & Communications, Chief Diplomat
Repracor Industries
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1144
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Posted - 2015.04.13 16:46:18 -
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Jennifer Starfall wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Q.Q why does nobody like the drake....... I love my Drake. It's just not something I would bring along as a drinking buddy. Lil' fella works hard. He deserves it.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Cakzad Arcashiri
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.04.13 18:39:46 -
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Lasairiona Raske wrote:You were given no authority to publish my personal, undocumented information. Please cease and desist or I will enlist legal support of my own.
I apologize. |
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