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CCP Lebowski
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.10 17:45:17 -
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Greetings test loving pilots!
As some of the more inquisitive of you may have already noticed, the current build on Singularity contains two new burner missions, one Serpentis and one Blood Raiders!
As of today we'll be disabling all missions except for the Serpentis Burner to allow for easier testing (The Blood Raiders mission is still undergoing some balance tweaks and will likely be available early next week). These missions will be available from any level 4 agent, though other missions may initially be offered.
We'll leave the rest of the details for you to find out for yourselves, but as before expect these to be pretty challenging!
As always please try them out, give us some feedback here & submit bug reports for any issues you find. I'll add any known issues to this post as we go.
Known issues/features yet to be implemented
- Mission name & description.
- NPC names.
Happy Testing,
CCP Lebowski | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Five-0
@CCP_Lebowski
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1024
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Posted - 2015.04.10 19:25:59 -
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now would be a good time to install sisi so I can explode a whole lot when I get home from work
@ChainsawPlankto
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Abavus Durden
Pukin' Dogs
78
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Posted - 2015.04.10 22:24:29 -
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Hello Mr. Lebowski! Thanks for the official post. I decided at work today I was going to start this thread if it didn't exist by the time I got online... glad you beat me to it.
Have been playing with the Serp Talos a bit the past few evenings. I like that the fight feels "bigger" in terms of play area and grid compared to the frigate burners. The matrix of sentries helps give that play area some depth; is easier to mentally "see" the distances involved with the matrix for reference.
I'm also hoping that we get a little more wiggle room in terms of viable fits and overall . The frigate versions feel like there are 1 or 2 ships/fits that seem to work.
I've been trying to keep a log of testing to date over at http://evedogsbreath.blogspot.com/
I almost had him down in a Sacri 2 nights ago and thought I could get there with some adjustment to the fit. Last night I was surprised to see 3x Talos after the SISI patch (was that a bug?). They melted my face so fast it might stay that way.
More to follow.
// Aba
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Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
139
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Posted - 2015.04.11 00:26:36 -
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So is this the "Cruiser" missions referred to at Fanfest and the o7 Show?
Because "Cruiser" and "Battlecruiser" are not quite the same, or did they intent to say "Battlecruiser" and we aren't going to be getting actual "Cruiser" burners? Cause there was never a mention of "Battlecruiser" burners before the thread the other day saying they found it before any announcements were made. |
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn
2498
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Posted - 2015.04.11 02:10:18 -
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Cruiser burner missions?
I'm assuming T3's are locked out of participating.
Not that it matters to me, personally, because it'll be a good long time before this toon sees anything but nullsec....
That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...
[#savethelance]
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1024
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Posted - 2015.04.11 04:40:41 -
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just got home and DT in ~19 mins, Hopefully get one go in!
@ChainsawPlankto
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Miali Askulf
Black Rise Freight
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Posted - 2015.04.11 04:48:57 -
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Ok so the three talos version is annoying but easy enough in a deimos, although damage was still quite noticeable on a ~2k dps hybrid tank. Seems like it'd be quite hard for ships without the T2 caldari/gallente resist profile to get enough tank.
The talos have extreme (>>100k but not infinite) range, seemingly very high tracking and do a ton of damage as well as damp. They warp disrupt at about 24k. They're active tanked but 450 dps or so was able to break them pretty quickly. I'm assuming they're currently bugged as I never saw them break 80m/s or so.
The sentry towers won't aggress unless you get very close, so can be ignored. You can however warp to them (at which point the one you land on will aggress), which is handy for getting in range as they're quite far apart. Looks like they have a chance to drop faction stuff as I got some guardian ammo.
I don't think these missions focusing on one or two damage types is a great idea as T2 resists are simply far too big of a factor - if they do enough kin/thermal damage to threaten T2 gallente resists almost anything else will get obliterated. |
Jori McKie
New Caldari Bureau of Investigation
229
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Posted - 2015.04.11 06:35:43 -
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Thx CCP Lebowski.
One thing as overall balance issue, please make sure that Bomber with Torps against any BC Burner will be a pain in the ass. I know that Bomber aren't that good against BC but FW lvl 4 missions are the prime example of abusing Bombers. Luckily CCP is fixing the FW missions soon.
I actually liked the 1x BC + 2x Frig combo, the 2x Frigs threatens any kiting doctrine but won't make it unusable. I won't mind if you throw in 3x BC + tackle of any kind hadn't to be Frigs but something that threatens kiting at least. As bonus a Frig wing makes sure you can't use swarms of TD3 to easy.
As kiting example: VNI or Ishtar, both can be fitted without tank at all have ~750DPS with insane drone speed and tracking. Not mentioning you could use sentries on both. Either the BC Burner have a tackle wing or targeting Drones as priority.
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."
--áAbrazzar
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Maichin Civire
83
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Posted - 2015.04.11 06:40:22 -
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Can we get standing boost on sisi against some serpentis sites? Or just do, that I can fight against them. At the moment I can't fly any of lvl 4 missions, and grinding for it on sisi seems to be counterproductive. |
Miali Askulf
Black Rise Freight
1
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Posted - 2015.04.11 08:55:46 -
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Jori McKie wrote:Thx CCP Lebowski.
One thing as overall balance issue, please make sure that Bomber with Torps against any BC Burner will be a pain in the ass. I know that Bomber aren't that good against BC but FW lvl 4 missions are the prime example of abusing Bombers. Luckily CCP is fixing the FW missions soon.
I actually liked the 1x BC + 2x Frig combo, the 2x Frigs threatens any kiting doctrine but won't make it unusable. I won't mind if you throw in 3x BC + tackle of any kind hadn't to be Frigs but something that threatens kiting at least. As bonus a Frig wing makes sure you can't use swarms of TD3 to easy.
As kiting example: VNI or Ishtar, both can be fitted without tank at all have ~750DPS with insane drone speed and tracking. Not mentioning you could use sentries on both. Either the BC Burner have a tackle wing or targeting Drones as priority.
The serpentis burner in it's current form is all but unkitable (they're rail talos and hit out to at least 120-140k or so with seemingly good tracking). Maybe a max range cerberus could, but a bomber will likely be alpha'd and a no tank ishtar won't last much longer. |
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Legion40k
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
92
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Posted - 2015.04.11 10:38:33 -
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holy sentry turrets batman xD
screenshot with a portable potato
doable with a basic t2 fit Deimos, though gotta be careful with piloting skills - was not expecting that alpha!
pretty fun, I like it =D |
Jori McKie
New Caldari Bureau of Investigation
229
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Posted - 2015.04.11 11:52:22 -
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Miali Askulf wrote:Jori McKie wrote:Thx CCP Lebowski.
One thing as overall balance issue, please make sure that Bomber with Torps against any BC Burner will be a pain in the ass. I know that Bomber aren't that good against BC but FW lvl 4 missions are the prime example of abusing Bombers. Luckily CCP is fixing the FW missions soon.
I actually liked the 1x BC + 2x Frig combo, the 2x Frigs threatens any kiting doctrine but won't make it unusable. I won't mind if you throw in 3x BC + tackle of any kind hadn't to be Frigs but something that threatens kiting at least. As bonus a Frig wing makes sure you can't use swarms of TD3 to easy.
As kiting example: VNI or Ishtar, both can be fitted without tank at all have ~750DPS with insane drone speed and tracking. Not mentioning you could use sentries on both. Either the BC Burner have a tackle wing or targeting Drones as priority. The serpentis burner in it's current form is all but unkitable (they're rail talos and hit out to at least 120-140k or so with seemingly good tracking). Maybe a max range cerberus could, but a bomber will likely be alpha'd and a no tank ishtar won't last much longer.
It depends on the tracking, 100MN VNI/Ishtar is an option i will test that later on. Through in a high grade snake + links and see were that goes. However i didn't specifically meant the Serpentis, i meant it in generally as the Blood Raider was far to easy to kite.
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."
--áAbrazzar
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Jori McKie
New Caldari Bureau of Investigation
229
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Posted - 2015.04.11 13:35:32 -
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@CCP Lebowski
All agents offer the Burner Serpentis only 1x time after that the agents don't offer any missions at all as if my standing is to low.
Clear Cache doesn't help either ;)
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."
--áAbrazzar
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Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
140
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Posted - 2015.04.11 15:05:10 -
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Same as above. They don't give me more missions.
Also those guys really hate drones. Like you can tank them with drones. No, seriously. As soon as I drop valks, they switch aggro and leave me be. Which is fun because they can't hit the drones until the target explodes and drones stop.
So minus 2 valks for 3... taloses? talosii? talii?
Done in a blaster deimos with voids and about 1500 thermal tank (2 T2 aux nano, 2 T2 Thermic hard, single Reactive hard, single rep).
P.S.: No. shooting talos-shaped turrets is NOT fun. Even if there are many of them. The initial version was much much better. I even had devious plans involving MJD structures and gimmick fitted Tier3s that probably could work given the similar trick worked with a vargur. |
Seamus Donohue
EVE University Ivy League
66
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Posted - 2015.04.11 17:53:33 -
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The mission is not covered by a deadspace. While this does allow warping to the sentry guns to quickly move about within the grid, it also means that a shuttle can enter first, bookmark the grid, leave, and then come back directly to the bookmark in a Marauder, bypassing the acceleration gate.
My Kinetic/Thermal-tanked Kronos with Railguns and a Bastion module was able to deal with the Taloses easily.
Outside High Security, this means that a carrier can also warp into the mission and curbstomp the Taloses.
Survivor of Teskanen. -áFan of John Rourke.
I have video tutorials for EVE Online on my YouTube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/SeamusDonohueEVE
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Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
232
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Posted - 2015.04.11 19:00:21 -
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Seriously ? 180 turrets ? and 3 battlecruisers ?
Turrets: Group of ( 6 x 5 ) in grid of 6 = 180
Maybe you should put in 50000 aoe doomsdaying titans and 20000 smart bombing battleships, that's better for level 4 mission that can only be done in a cruiser.
ScreenShots: http://www.netsky.org/eve/burnercruiserlevel4spc.png http://www.netsky.org/eve/burnercruiserlevel4spc1.png http://www.netsky.org/eve/burnercruiserlevel4spc2.png
This is nuts. No wonder no one does these missions. |
Seamus Donohue
EVE University Ivy League
66
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Posted - 2015.04.11 23:43:50 -
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Relax, the turrets have really short range. Unless something changed, only one turret will shoot you at a time.
Survivor of Teskanen. -áFan of John Rourke.
I have video tutorials for EVE Online on my YouTube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/SeamusDonohueEVE
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Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
232
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Posted - 2015.04.12 00:00:56 -
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Seamus Donohue wrote:Relax, the turrets have really short range. Unless something changed, only one turret will shoot you at a time. Well i can't tank this in normal t-2 fit paladin, so it's not possible to do with a cruiser.
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Locke DieDrake
The Arrow Project
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Posted - 2015.04.12 00:42:53 -
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Spc One wrote:Seamus Donohue wrote:Relax, the turrets have really short range. Unless something changed, only one turret will shoot you at a time. Well i can't tank this in normal t-2 fit paladin, so it's not possible to do with a cruiser.
First of all, what you can do isn't relevant to what anyone else could do.
Second, yes it can be done in a cruiser, with links, drugs and a perfect fit/skills. Others have done it already.
Lastly, they are ridiculous, that is without a doubt true. |
Drosal Inkunen
Harmonic Discord
35
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Posted - 2015.04.12 01:07:14 -
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Are they going to make it so you can't just warp into it with a pod, grab bookmarks near the cruisers, and then warp directly on top of them? While it got the mission done, it made me feel incredibly dirty. |
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KanonKongen
66
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Posted - 2015.04.12 01:51:26 -
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They seem very broken and wayyy too easy.
Talos only go 80m/s (bug?) You can warp to the towers while inside the mission so you can land directly ontop of them (bug?) You can warp a frigate in, then have a friend/alt warp a bigger combat ship that cant take the gate directly inside the mission, earlier today I warped a Nyx inside (bug?)
In the style of burners they seem way too easy, ccplease ner- I mean make them harder!
Kanon |
Seamus Donohue
EVE University Ivy League
66
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Posted - 2015.04.12 01:54:15 -
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By the way, after completing the Serpentis Burner mission for the agent in Frarn, any further attempt to ask for a mission results in the agent text "I'm sorry, but what I've got is promised to another pilot already. Could you come back later?" Is this expected for Singularity?
Drosal Inkunen wrote:Are they going to make it so you can't just warp into it with a pod, grab bookmarks near the cruisers, and then warp directly on top of them? While it got the mission done, it made me feel incredibly dirty. Why? Warping in on a target at zero to ambush it is a time-honored PvP tradition, I thought? :P
Survivor of Teskanen. -áFan of John Rourke.
I have video tutorials for EVE Online on my YouTube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/SeamusDonohueEVE
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Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
140
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Posted - 2015.04.12 07:05:48 -
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Locke DieDrake wrote: Second, yes it can be done in a cruiser, with links, drugs and a perfect fit/skills. Others have done it already.
Don't exaggerate. They can be done in a HAC with T2 fit and no links/drugs. |
Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
139
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Posted - 2015.04.12 13:33:15 -
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Just a silly question here, if they have 180 turrets on grid, spread far enough away to warp in between, but only 1 turret can shoot you at once...
Why the increased load on systems with that many turrets if only 1 of them are ever going to be utilized at the same time? Or is that a bug and they really want all 180 turrets to agro you at once? |
Abavus Durden
Pukin' Dogs
78
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Posted - 2015.04.12 19:52:55 -
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I've now gotten on the Deimos bandwagon and completed the encounter.
The business about warping around inside the pocket seems odd, somehow, and I really don't like the idea of bookmarking and returning in a different ship.
Now that I've completed the mission, I can't get the agent to give me a repeat. |
Seamus Donohue
EVE University Ivy League
66
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Posted - 2015.04.12 22:57:22 -
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Dangeresque Too wrote:Just a silly question here, if they have 180 turrets on grid, spread far enough away to warp in between, but only 1 turret can shoot you at once...
Why the increased load on systems with that many turrets if only 1 of them are ever going to be utilized at the same time? Or is that a bug and they really want all 180 turrets to agro you at once? I think the turrets are there so that you can warp to them.
Come to think of it, Large Collidable Objects would also have worked just as well for this purpose; skip the turrets entirely.
Survivor of Teskanen. -áFan of John Rourke.
I have video tutorials for EVE Online on my YouTube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/SeamusDonohueEVE
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Valterra Craven
534
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Posted - 2015.04.13 02:45:48 -
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Just curious, do they start hitting you the moment you warp in, aka around 245km? Or really what is the max range of their damage?
Been playing around in EFT. (I'm sure there are better ways to do this) Also I'm really sad that both the naga and talos are hybrids, a cruise naga woulda been hella awesome for this type of thing.
[Tornado, New Setup 1] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Power Diagnostic System II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
Medium Ionic Field Projector II Medium Ionic Field Projector II Medium Ionic Field Projector II
All lvl 5 That targets at 143k and does 593 dps (also is no boosts/implants/anything besides skills) |
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
159
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Posted - 2015.04.13 06:54:46 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Just curious, do they start hitting you the moment you warp in, aka around 245km? Or really what is the max range of their damage?
Also I'm really sad that both the naga and talos are hybrids, a cruise naga woulda been hella awesome for this type of thing.
we've already discussed long time age why naga doesn't use cruises. also if you want to, you can fit naga with 250k optimal |
Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
232
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Posted - 2015.04.13 09:16:21 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Just curious, do they start hitting you the moment you warp in Yes, the moment you warp in they apply full damage from 230km range.
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Arthur Aihaken
Jormungand Corporation
4345
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Posted - 2015.04.13 10:10:43 -
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I'm not sure if it was mentioned, but I'm assuming Strategic Cruisers are locked out despite being 'cruisers'?
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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