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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1671
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Posted - 2015.04.11 07:21:58 -
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Xadiran wrote:On a completely different note, Kim's dislike of Makoto just raised my opinion of Ms. Priano. I don't think I have stated my attitude to her here clearly, but that you have raised opinion of a known dishonored liar (which can be supported by evidence for anyone who can search this forum), speaks a lot about you as a gallentean. |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
593
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Posted - 2015.04.11 07:30:51 -
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Xadiran wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Xadiran wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Xadiran wrote:10 isk?! What the hell did you put in there, gold?
..I'll take a bag
*hands a large tub of popcorn* The butter is spiked with only the finest Drop! ..... *gives back tub* No refunds. I was afraid of that Edit: Who wants some drugged popcorn?
*staggers view of a Scope holocam crew waiting outside a posh Caille nightclub.
"Offensive in Okkamon? Why, Villore Accords has our Top Men assigned to the task. Top Men."
*Rinai staggers away in the company of what appears to be an entire Sebiestor rust grrl band.
"So, who wants to go for a ride in my Navy Comet...?" |
KaRa DaVuT
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
291
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Posted - 2015.04.11 08:59:05 -
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What did I read now...
Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is in your heart and on your mind... And what you decide to do every day, makes you - not your race - a good man - or not.
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Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
264
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Posted - 2015.04.11 13:02:32 -
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Reitsato has been liberated, in between numerous engagements with the Caldari State Protectorate, Snuffbox, and other military organizations inside the region. 771 ships have been destroyed in the past 24 hours, and 170 ships have been destroyed in the past hour alone.
We are coming for Okkamon.
Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter
https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/
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Utari Onzo
13. Enigma Project
187
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Posted - 2015.04.11 13:04:20 -
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Oh damn, and I'd booked to take a vacation that way...
New York, Paris, Peckham, Jita
13. is recruiting
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
918
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Posted - 2015.04.11 14:58:34 -
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Thank you for taking the time declaring yourself as vulgar lowsec pirates... I guess... ? |
Aelisha
Achura-Waschi Exchange Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
486
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Posted - 2015.04.11 16:15:04 -
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The only thing this farcical proclamation would achieve, were it anything but words, would be the more expedient release of limited licenses to produce the Jackdaw to T3D producers. This is of course very much in the interests of the capsuleer industrial population and of special interest to key elements of the 24th IC and SPROT militias who will benefit every bit as much as anyone else from the release of designs to the public market.
I'd thank you for your service, but as you're a grandstanding disgrace I'll reserve that for those who actually contribute to progress in the cluster.
CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange
Intaki Reborn
Independent Capsuleer
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Aedre Lafisques
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
31
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Posted - 2015.04.11 16:48:29 -
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I get this feeling from the comments here that people here aren't very sure what the military does or what it is for other than zipping about being evil.
Military might is an extension of politics (and must return to politics). I think this is a fairly basic tenant everyone here has probably come across once or twice. It's easy to forget, when feeling attacked or just generally appalled by an action. I can't fault anyone for that. One hopes policy makers on both sides remember it. But you know who has forgotten it? CONCORD. If there's some institution or side to be furious with, it is the Star - the supposed face of law.
I'm increasingly frustrated by Capsuleers, who certainly know better, slinging mud at each other over an issue whose fault is very obvious. It's transparent that people use activity in the War Powers Act to further Nationalistic agendas and stir sentiment. I find it appalling; it undermines the issues actually at hand and furthers justification of the conflict. It's purely emotional and helps no one.
I also cannot understand that people are still surprised the militia is comprised of mostly pirates. I don't have to like it, the Eleutherian Guard does not have to like it, and you don't have to like it, but it is true until CONCORD says otherwise. All of our militias are like this. This is not really a talking point. Pirates are going to pirate, and there is very little any of us can do about any of our most remiss. CONCORD sees fit to allow this sort of activity within the ranks of our institutions, probably for padding. The Eleutherian Guard does not admit the type, for example, and our ranks prove comparatively small for it.
Further, anyone who sees an operational document and expects its contents to be happening concurrently doesn't realize what these documents are actually for. Expect it to take a couple of days at least or be backdated at least that much. Does the Caldari Militia not issue these...?!
The final thing is the consideration of why OpSec would have been violated so early in the first place this time, when I have an inbox full of these.
Firstly, if Soter has good reason to believe the Jackdaw is present at this system, then it would be militarily remiss to ignore that intelligence, which seems to be so widely known it was reported on The Scope. Not planning an Operation would be next to impossible. Releasing a document saying 'we will act' really should not be surprising anyone. A military currently at war has no choice but to move against visible arming. This isn't about anyone's feelings about aggression or any current diplomatic talks. Those discussions can proceed regardless of operations. Diplomatic discussions are much larger and take far more into account than a single Operation over a tactical target that now everyone and literally their mother knows about.
But more importantly, because of the need to move against this particular target and the severity of our lockdown of the system, leadership is organizing and encouraging humanitarian aid to this system for Civilians. I would hope some Capsuleers - if such Capsuleers even browse these angry forums - would pick up the torch and provide aid, regardless of what side they are on, whether they agree with the mobilization or not. Again, this is not a matter of what should be happening but what is. To sling mud at leadership or the militia at large is a waste of your time when a venue for helping is open to you. Leadership saw fit to release this information, likely not for a single purpose but for several. To tinfoil why and not accept crucial information when it is presented seems short-sighted.
Please consider helping and aim your vitriol at CONCORD for refusing to lift or change the way this war works. To tell any side that they are bad or evil for not putting down weapons first shows a misunderstanding of how the entire process works. CONCORD understands it - and they are putting all of our people in danger for it. |
Jukko Riis
Black Rise Colonial Exploration
90
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Posted - 2015.04.11 17:17:00 -
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Aedre Lafisques wrote:
Please consider helping and aim your vitriol at CONCORD for refusing to lift or change the way this war works. To tell any side that they are bad or evil for not putting down weapons first shows a misunderstanding of how the entire process works. CONCORD understands it - and they are putting all of our people in danger for it.
No.
Consider a full retreat from the Rise and do it now.
Until such a time as Soter pulls his forces out of Black Rise, we the residents will consider the presence of any Gallente citizen to mean the individual is engaging in espionage. They will be treated accordingly. Man, woman, child. Any Gallente in any Black Rise system without the proper State clearance will be taken as a prisoner of war and charged as a spy.
You and yours will not dictate terms in our home Soter.
BRCE: Mission Statement!
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
6801
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Posted - 2015.04.11 17:17:55 -
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You seem like a nice fellow, Lafisques. Let me spell this out for you.
The Caldari are well aware of how military actions work, and how the military ought conduct itself. The State is a significantly more militarized society than your Federation, after all, as we did have to fight for our independence from Gallente hegemony over a century ago.
Even I, one of those lily-livered Liberals, have had basic training and performed my mandatory period of State service. It might have been ages since I've had to break down a rifle with a drill instructor yelling at me, but rest assured that I do still have a sidearm in my locker that I periodically service.
That said, what we mock is this: that Soter puts this in terms of a 'dramatic escalation,' an 'unsettling report,' when Maker knows we were all invited to contribute to our respective nation's research in late YC116, when all of us knew very well that each state is developing next-generation destroyers to bolster their navies. Clearly, then, Caldari intransigence is in doing what everyone else is doing, and in doing it better than the Gallente. Even more hilarious is that Soter then bristles and grumbles about how he's a better nationalist by having ignored his Federation's call for support. No wonder the Federation came last!
By all means. Carry on fighting and invading sovereign Caldari territory from their cruel Caldari overlords, and prancing about talking about freedom and liberation of people from themselves, and then telling us we don't know what we're talking about when we laugh in your face for being drunk on your own dogma.
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art.
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
919
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Posted - 2015.04.11 17:19:56 -
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I am... unsure why people would be surprised to notice that the militias are full of pirates, and rather unsure either why you speak about military, when the militias actually are everything else but military... ? |
Bourbon Limoges
Maison Ceramique Limoges Chocolatiers
37
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Posted - 2015.04.11 17:38:14 -
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Rinai Vero wrote: *Rinai staggers away in the company of what appears to be an entire Sebiestor rust grrl band.
OMGICBI! I love that band! |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
594
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Posted - 2015.04.11 18:40:09 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:This, from a man who was a reputation for....
Hah, at least Soter has a reputation for combat. What have you got? Aside from zero kills in the last two months.
By the way, when capsuleer combat history is public record that anyone can view you look pretty ridiculous disparaging someone as being risk averse who has flown in quadruple the engagements every month than you have this entire year.
Stick to bragging about your science projects.
In other news I honest to gods passed out at the helm of my Vexor last night in Reitsato after the iHub battle. Woke up on an outbound trajectory 8.5 AU away with my drones still idle at the Hub. No idea how I got there. Suffice to say, I've been flying hung over today. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
6802
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Posted - 2015.04.11 18:50:26 -
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Please. Continue telling me how the only measure of a Capsuleer is their kill history. I'd love to hear more.
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art.
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1139
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Posted - 2015.04.11 19:16:09 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Please. Continue telling me how the only measure of a Capsuleer is their kill history. I'd love to hear more. ****. I'm a horrible Capsuleer......
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
6803
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Posted - 2015.04.11 19:19:14 -
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As am I, Osyn. As am I.
Maker forgive me for my insatiable curiosity, as it so rarely puts antimatter on target.
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art.
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
594
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Posted - 2015.04.11 19:19:58 -
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If you don't like getting smacktalked about your pitiful combat record maybe don't start combat related smack. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
6803
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Posted - 2015.04.11 19:33:46 -
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What's not to like? This is hilarious. I mean, I knew you were a bit dense, but this may as well be a comedy routine.
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art.
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
594
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Posted - 2015.04.11 20:42:16 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:
It's business as usual.
Get back to it.
See, that's the funny part. When it comes to your usual business of science things and pondering whatever cosmic mystery you've taken a fancy to... these things are worthy of your lengthy bloviating on the IGS.
You don't see us gassing about how worthless and insignificant to the important business of killing wartargets your profession is.
On the other hand, any time GMVA makes a statement hi lighting the efforts of our pilots in our chosen business it brings out howls of indignation from a certain element of Caldari capsuleers better suited to making forum posts than flying spaceships.
Admittedly, we do derive plenty of entertainment from such ineffectual bleating. |
Liam Antolliere
University of Caille Gallente Federation
307
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Posted - 2015.04.11 22:15:50 -
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Hm. It is somewhat disappointing to see a declaration of militia action devolve into a circus of bickering back and forth.
While I respect an open policy regarding militia action and the justification behind it, I think it would have been more prudent to keep surveillance and reconnaissance active over the research and production of new technology and weapons rather than declare and take to the offensive using it as justification.
If you truly would prefer to see a peaceful resolution to the ever ongoing conflict between our peoples, taking offensive military action (regardless of your justification) is counter intuitive to this goal.
Silent reconnaissance and counter strategy would have been a far more intuitive approach to the situation.
As this thread has proven, all your actions have done is sparked yet another round of back-and-forth hostilities that only serve to reinforce the ongoing tension between us.
Please do not misunderstand this as a criticism of your organization or your choice to begin counter operations, as I am clearly in no position to do so being both inexperienced in capsuleer combat and with no service record to speak of; rather it is simply an expressed sentiment of an onlooker.
"Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
953
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Posted - 2015.04.11 23:09:33 -
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Well, Soter, wouldn't this be relevant if your job wasn't already fighting over systems in the warzone? Furthermore, if you declare a system in a warzone you're already fighting in a warzone again. Is it more of a warzone than before or does it counter each other out somehow?
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
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Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
287
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Posted - 2015.04.11 23:15:29 -
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Desiderya wrote:Well, Soter, wouldn't this be relevant if your job wasn't already fighting over systems in the warzone? Furthermore, if you declare a system in a warzone you're already fighting in a warzone again. Is it more of a warzone than before or does it counter each other out somehow? Yo dawg, we heard you like warzones, so we put a warzone in your warzone so you can be in the warzone while your in the warzone.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Aelisha
Achura-Waschi Exchange Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
488
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Posted - 2015.04.11 23:16:40 -
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Desiderya wrote:Well, Soter, wouldn't this be relevant if your job wasn't already fighting over systems in the warzone? Furthermore, if you declare a system in a warzone you're already fighting in a warzone again. Is it more of a warzone than before or does it counter each other out somehow?
He's declared double war on you. I believe tradition demands you declare triple dog war with no backsies in return.
CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange
Intaki Reborn
Independent Capsuleer
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Heiian Conglomerate
1415
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Posted - 2015.04.11 23:19:16 -
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Julianus Soter wrote:Reitsato has been liberated, in between numerous engagements with the Caldari State Protectorate, Snuffbox, and other military organizations inside the region. 771 ships have been destroyed in the past 24 hours, and 170 ships have been destroyed in the past hour alone.
We are coming for Okkamon.
TY for padding my Killboard.
Was it 8 hours for your 30-40 dudes to move it that extra 2% because 'Church of Awesome' ?
https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
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Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
287
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Posted - 2015.04.11 23:22:58 -
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So, aside from a huge breach of OPSEC, have we accomplished anything in Okkamon?
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1683
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Posted - 2015.04.11 23:52:17 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:
On the other hand, any time GMVA makes a statement hi lighting the efforts of our pilots in our chosen business it brings out howls of indignation from a certain element of Caldari capsuleers better suited to making forum posts than flying spaceships.
Admittedly, we do derive plenty of entertainment from such ineffectual bleating.
On that note though, wouldn't such a grand proclamation on the part of GMVA be better served after Okkamon is taken by the FDU? That is of course unless the intention was to provide some posturing in public along the lines of, "We intend to conduct some form of military operation in Okkamon," Which given the fact that GMVA is enlisted in the FDU and that Okkamon is a STPRO held system in the CEWMPA zone would appear to be a given. Why even designate Okkamon a warzone when it was designated as such by CONCORD treaty over seven years ago? Was stating the obvious intended?
If so, all I can offer is a slow clap conducted at approximately thirty beats per minute as outlined in the Kaalakiota Corporate Guide to Body Language for Senior Management, Fifth Edition, to imply sufficient sarcasm and a lack of being impressed.
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Vikarion
State Trade Consortium
808
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Posted - 2015.04.12 00:42:48 -
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Oh. No.
Whatever will we do?
Besides the fact that, unlike with the Gallente, Black Rise is a backwater province of the State, recently discovered and little exploited, how, exactly, do you expect this to effect anything?
Given that the State is the strongest militarily and economically of the empires according to CONCORD and the SCC((OOC: taken from EvE:Source)), even after Operation Highlander, exactly what do you expect the State to do?
You claim it is "re-arming".
It isn't. The State is already armed. Taking a backwater station means nothing to the might of the Caldari Navy and the fortress-worlds of the Citadel. And we all know that both the State and the Federation will be following Amarr and Minmatar discoveries in the T3 destroyer line.
No, no, this is all too obvious. "Blockading" Okkamon means nothing...unless Soter can make it to mean something. So, the real question is, what office is Soter planning on running for?
Hopefully President. Soter is arrogant, but unlike Roden, has little interest in prolonging a settled war. Or maybe a Senator. That might be good too. Or perhaps Soter wasn't getting invited to enough parties - that would be a pity, as the man has much more insight into the new environment of wormholes and drifters than Roden seems to.
Nonetheless, what is clear is that this is solely a PR move. Good for Moira: they probably need to keep morale up. But it's nothing but that. |
Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
860
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Posted - 2015.04.12 01:20:25 -
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Does Soter plan on jamming or otherwise intercepting all communications out of the blockaded system? My future supplier of Jackdaws are many regions away. Unless the hope is the Caldari have all the blueprints in one station and they can somehow magically contain that data, I don't see how this is going to effect production at all.
Best of luck, though. Hours after the blueprint is released to the public, shall I fly my own Jackdaw down to the blockaded system to see how it is going? |
Graelyn
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
703
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Posted - 2015.04.12 01:25:42 -
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Soter, stop making Pilot Kim look sensible. It makes the Good Lord Weep.
Cardinal Graelyn
Owner/Operator, "The Summit"
AM Conclave, Speaker
Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
"Am I losing touch? No. It is the children who are wrong."
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
594
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Posted - 2015.04.12 01:51:19 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:So, aside from a huge breach of OPSEC, have we accomplished anything in Okkamon?
I got a Diana Kim killmail. Who doesn't love those?
Vikarion wrote:Oh. No.
Whatever will we do?
If history is any indication most of y'all will keep posting on the forums rather than fight on behalf of the State Protectorate.
Vikarion wrote:Or perhaps Soter wasn't getting invited to enough parties - that would be a pity, as the man has much more insight into the new environment of wormholes and drifters than Roden seems to.
Nonetheless, what is clear is that this is solely a PR move. Good for Moira: they probably need to keep morale up. But it's nothing but that.
You should have seen the party Soter hosted for GMVA pilots who attended the Yulai Conference. It was quite the hot ticket. |
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