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Wendrika Hydreiga
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Posted - 2015.04.12 02:07:12 -
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Well, this isn't giving me a good impression of my "home team". Picking fights, being mean, using kill reports as badges of merit in a conversation. Just awful! You should be ashamed.
Maybe I should switch just sides and beg Miss Kim to take me as her student (or be admonished, either is fine). At least in her political fervor, she manages be modest and consistent with her ideals.
And according to her, all these shenenigans in Okkamon are amounting to nothing! I for one believe her! |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
596
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Posted - 2015.04.12 02:14:00 -
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Please do. Maybe if we had as many opponents in space as we do on the forum we'd be too busy for "grandstanding!" |
Vikarion
State Trade Consortium
808
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Posted - 2015.04.12 02:21:38 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:You should have seen the party Soter hosted for GMVA pilots who attended the Yulai Conference. It was quite the hot ticket.
Interesting. I didn't realize that he could, ah, last long enough to...entertain...you all.
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
596
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Posted - 2015.04.12 02:34:11 -
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Oh, not just us. There plenty of capsuleers in attendance. Even a few CONCORD officers. Good drinkers them! To be honest, Soter wasn't quite able to keep up. He made a valiant effort though. I was a constant disappointment to the HildCo guys refusing to take shots of some awful herbal liquor they all seem to love. |
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
257
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Posted - 2015.04.12 02:42:15 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:Does Soter plan on jamming or otherwise intercepting all communications out of the blockaded system? My future supplier of Jackdaws are many regions away. Unless the hope is the Caldari have all the blueprints in one station and they can somehow magically contain that data, I don't see how this is going to effect production at all.
Best of luck, though. Hours after the blueprint is released to the public, shall I fly my own Jackdaw down to the blockaded system to see how it is going? I do not exactly understand what their plan is here. Yes, Okkamon contains a CalMil assembly plant... but assembly plants are not research and prototyping facilities. There are only three testing facilities in Black Rise. If the ship was being researched and prototyped at all, it would be happening at one of these facilities. And even if it was being developed at one of these stations, we are all networked. If in the off chance that one of the facilities fell, we could easily upload the schematics and blueprints to any of our sister stations.
But what are the odds that a prototype T3 ship is being developed in the warzone? Not likely. |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
596
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Posted - 2015.04.12 02:45:21 -
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It's really more of a punitive operation than anything else. Easy concept. Not sure why y'all seem so mystified. |
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
257
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Posted - 2015.04.12 02:56:06 -
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Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Well, this isn't giving me a good impression of my "home team". Picking fights, being mean, using kill reports as badges of merit in a conversation. Just awful! You should be ashamed.
Maybe I should switch just sides and beg Miss Kim to take me as her student (or be admonished, either is fine). At least in her political fervor, she manages be modest and consistent with her ideals.
And according to her, all these shenenigans in Okkamon are amounting to nothing! I for one believe her! The State could always use more scientists. |
Vikarion
State Trade Consortium
808
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Posted - 2015.04.12 02:59:47 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:To be honest, Soter wasn't quite able to keep up. He made a valiant effort though.
I'm told that the Gallente are experts in the sort of...prosthetics...necessary to carry on in spite of such a disability.
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1687
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Posted - 2015.04.12 03:00:10 -
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Nothing so mystifying for me here. I think it's probably just a difference as to what one could consider relevant and substantive. Myself, I think results will always speak for themselves thus requiring nothing further. I suppose the GMVA preference is one of verbose claims and intentions made in public when a simple, "We're pushing Okkamon because it's a STPRO home system and attacking it will hopefully provoke a response," Would have sufficed to ensure as Ms. Vero put it, "Opponents in space." |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
6809
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Posted - 2015.04.12 03:23:24 -
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Gesakaarin-haani; when they started this push, Okkamon was standing at a dangerously-exposed 2%, and now is a slightly less-dangerously-exposed 0%. I can only assume that they're too busy with, well, who knows what to be bothered pushing Okkamon in the face of lily-livered, ineffectual resistance.
That said, I was in Yulai for that convention. Actually? That 'Black Death' they were pushing wasn't bad. I still didn't have the nerve to try that fermented fish, though.
Ugh.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1675
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Posted - 2015.04.12 03:50:53 -
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Incompetence of gallentean pilots is really astonishing. I came to system to kill some galletean occupants and defend civilians from gallentean atrocities, but most of the time there's not even a single frog passing by.
If there is a blockade of Okkamon, it is a blockade from gallenteans. Meanwhile I feel like I need to look me for different hunting ground, where gallenteans aren't that scaredy yet. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4625
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Posted - 2015.04.12 05:00:05 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:It's really more of a punitive operation than anything else. Easy concept. Not sure why y'all seem so mystified.
Why you'd talk about it before your blockade was in place? The only punitive aspect thus far has been the time wasted reading about it - is it a psyops campaign? Cunning!
Perhaps the REAL blow will fall where we least expect?
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Kalaratiri
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
549
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Posted - 2015.04.12 12:03:09 -
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Obviously, this announcement was a move of tactical brilliance. By declaring an invasion of Okkamon, then immediately not invading Okkamon and attacking Reitsato instead, the GalFed have shown their mastery of misinformation and subterfuge!
Who could have foreseen such a stroke of genius?!
She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
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Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
863
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Posted - 2015.04.12 13:37:54 -
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So how long has it taken the Gallente to realize the testing is in
UMOKKA
And has nothing to do with
OKKAMON
I look forward to the GMVA taking their blockade to Caldari High Sec. |
Thea Isotalo
Black Rise Colonial Exploration
33
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Posted - 2015.04.12 14:50:21 -
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And that about sums it up.
We really don't need an excuse to detain Gallente spies in Black Rise, we do that anyway.
See Soter, we have these things called COMPUTERS and we can use them to hold and even transmit data through a thing called a NETWORK. The Jackdaw has been in production for a while now. And while we of course resent your trespassing into our home, there is really no way you can stop us from developing new and interesting ways to kill trespassing Gallente.
We here in the Rise have gotten very good at it.
BRCE: Mission Statement!
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1677
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Posted - 2015.04.12 15:26:09 -
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Are there still peoples who think gallenteans aren't just petty pirates and criminals?
Foiritan came with stupid excuses as well when Noir rammed his nyx. And Roden came with stupid excuses for his operation "Highlander".
They are just coming to kill civilians as always, while telling some ridiculous propaganda, and, as Ms. Vero noticed, to get some loot.
But don't worry, many and many Caldari pilots are ready to fight and die to protect colonists and peaceful entrepreneurs from gallentean menace! |
Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
869
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Posted - 2015.04.12 16:32:24 -
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Eagerly awaiting Soter's response. |
Blue spy
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2015.04.12 18:15:58 -
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Julianus Soter wrote:FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE ATTN CONCORD DIRECT ENFORCEMENT DIVISION ATTN CALDARI STATE PROTECTORATE ATTN FEDERAL DEFENSE UNION
END TRANSMISSION
I'm sure Commander Kim is delighted to discover that she won't have to travel too far off her doorstep to find and shoot at enemies of the state. |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
596
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Posted - 2015.04.12 21:15:04 -
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What are ya'll even talking about with this implication we think Okkamon is directly involved in the Jackdaw development?
Although the development of a new weapons system was the impetus for our current deployment, Okkamon wasn't picked as a target because we thought it was in any way connected. It was picked because it is a base of operations for some of the few active State Protectorate aligned organizations still engaged in the warzone.
Operation Erinyes is, as I said earlier, and is clearly apparent by the description in Soter's OP, a punitive strike at Caldari State aligned military forces and economic infrastructure. |
Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
870
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Posted - 2015.04.12 21:42:31 -
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It is sunny outdoors today.
DECLARATION OF INTENT TO SIEGE RENS
Everyone read Soter's post as being connected. If it really is a non sequitur as you say then I don't know what to say. Get all mad and blockade a system in no way connected to the production of a class of ship that each of the big four announced a long time ago that they were working on? Do you realize how bizzare that seems to the world outside of GMVA? We were trying to give him the benefit of the doubt and assumed he was trying to interfere with Jackdaw production.
But if he is not trying to stop production, it looks like he is just making a pathetic excuse for spinning a wheel and picking a random system in space that is not his to **** with. |
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1680
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Posted - 2015.04.12 22:05:23 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:It is sunny outdoors today.
DECLARATION OF INTENT TO SIEGE RENS
Everyone read Soter's post as being connected. If it really is a non sequitur as you say then I don't know what to say. Get all mad and blockade a system in no way connected to the production of a class of ship that each of the big four announced a long time ago that they were working on? Do you realize how bizzare that seems to the world outside of GMVA? We were trying to give him the benefit of the doubt and assumed he was trying to interfere with Jackdaw production.
But if he is not trying to stop production, it looks like he is just making a pathetic excuse for spinning a wheel and picking a random system in space that is not his to **** with. Gallente |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
596
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Posted - 2015.04.12 22:22:21 -
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Is it really that hard to grasp? News breaks about Jackdaw development. GMVA leadership starts discussing how we should respond. The idea that we can interfere in research being done in Caldari Hisec is silly.
So, we look at our options for things we can do in range of our operations. Okkamon has Caldari living there who might actually fight if we go there and start causing trouble. So now we are causing trouble. |
Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
265
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Posted - 2015.04.12 23:19:04 -
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Trying to use logic with the Statists is rather impossible, unfortunately....
Rinai Vero wrote:Is it really that hard to grasp? News breaks about Jackdaw development. GMVA leadership starts discussing how we should respond. The idea that we can interfere in research being done in Caldari Hisec is silly.
So, we look at our options for things we can do in range of our operations. Okkamon has Caldari living there who might actually fight if we go there and start causing trouble. So now we are causing trouble.
Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter
https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/
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Bourbon Limoges
Maison Ceramique Limoges Chocolatiers
38
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Posted - 2015.04.12 23:21:28 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:So now we are causing trouble.
Unscrupulous! |
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
33827
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Posted - 2015.04.12 23:34:17 -
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Julianus Soter wrote:FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE ATTN CONCORD DIRECT ENFORCEMENT DIVISION ATTN CALDARI STATE PROTECTORATE ATTN FEDERAL DEFENSE UNION The Villore Accords General Staff has approved, for immediate execution, a system-wide interdiction, blockade, and asset seizure operation inside the Okkamon System. This operation has been designated GÇ£OPERATION ERINYESGÇ¥ Following unsettling Scope News reports of a prototype tech-three destroyer, codenamed GÇ£JACKDAWGÇ¥, GMVA military commanders have deemed the development and testing of this new warship a direct escalation of the Second Caldari-Gallente war, and requires a full retaliatory response. All civilian vessels and non-combatant capsuleers are hereby ordered to avoid the Okkamon system, as it is now designated a war zone. Any vessel entering the system, regardless of military value, equipment loadout, weapons configuration, or security status, will be targeted and destroyed by GMVA combat patrols. Once the system perimeter is secured, all planetary customs offices currently in orbit of Okkamon planets will be dismantled and confiscated. The planets will be blockaded and no trade shall be conducted to or from the surface of these planets without GMVA General Staff authorization. A humanitarian corridor will be established to assist all non-combatant populations onboard the two Okkamon stations and on the colony worlds inside the system. Food, medicine, and basic housing materials will be deposited on-site at regular intervals. Our goal here is not collateral damage, but to secure the system and prevent any military access by the Caldari State or their forces. The Chief Executive Panel must be made to understand their reckless warmongering will do nothing but hurt their own cause. GMVA will coordinate with Federal Union coalition members to execute this operation. Updates and addenda to this declaration will be posted to this thread. Executor Julianus Soter Vice Executor Der Bischof END TRANSMISSION
So Okkamon is _JUST NOW_ being declared a warzone.
I... I...
Actually, nevermind.
Why do bad threads happen to good people?
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Kyoko Sakoda
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
211
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Posted - 2015.04.13 00:01:29 -
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This is why we can't have nice things, Soter! |
Aedre Lafisques
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
32
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Posted - 2015.04.13 00:35:24 -
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Makoto Priano wrote: You seem like a nice fellow, Lafisques. Let me spell this out for you.
The Caldari are well aware of how military actions work, and how the military ought conduct itself. The State is a significantly more militarized society than your Federation, after all, as we did have to fight for our independence from Gallente hegemony over a century ago.
Even I, one of those lily-livered Liberals, have had basic training and performed my mandatory period of State service. It might have been ages since I've had to break down a rifle with a drill instructor yelling at me, but rest assured that I do still have a sidearm in my locker that I periodically service.
That said, what we mock is this: that Soter puts this in terms of a 'dramatic escalation,' an 'unsettling report,' when Maker knows we were all invited to contribute to our respective nation's research in late YC116, when all of us knew very well that each state is developing next-generation destroyers to bolster their navies. Clearly, then, Caldari intransigence is in doing what everyone else is doing, and in doing it better than the Gallente. Even more hilarious is that Soter then bristles and grumbles about how he's a better nationalist by having ignored his Federation's call for support. This, from a man who was a reputation for commanding fleets, cloaked, a hundred kilometers away. No wonder the Federation came last!
By all means. Carry on fighting and invading sovereign Caldari territory, saving Caldari people from their cruel Caldari overlords, prancing about talking about freedom and liberation of a people from themselves, and then telling us we don't know what we're talking about when we laugh in your face for being drunk on your own dogma.
'The thread is not taking full consideration the various reasons a document like this might be released', was really my only point.
I'm a paramilitary officer at best, and have virtually no training with arms at all, for example (except the minimum required during Capsuleer training and such, which for me was hilariously little from what I understand of some systems), but we both have some experience with operations, so though it seems this sort of thing is obvious, it can't be assumed it's obvious to everyone I suppose. I'm still surprised to see such a confused reaction to this - and perhaps that's simply not fair.
Still, a publicly published Operation should be viewed with a grain of salt and some inquiry as to why it was published. This wasn't a "leak" and that in itself is something to be concerned about for all parties. It's a little disappointing the discussion got so frazzled so quickly when we are all policy makers to some degree here as Capsuleers. This wasn't, however, aimed at anyone in particular.
I had some concern for the thread itself, and I addressed it in hopes that its contents would be taken in several new ways by the more generous among us. You may direct your anger at my fellows that are somewhat more willing to shout about 'freedom' and liberation for Caldari - or whoever else - but I for one, will step aside of that. There are more reasons to be out here than simple hatred or dogma.
For the record, it doesn't affect me one way or the other if you mock Gen. Soter for what he has or has not done. It is as much your job to elaborate discreditations of his character as it is his job to make operations sound particularly important. (But I might as well put forward that I have not so far seen him do this cloaking tactic myself for what little that is worth, so it doesn't appear to be a standard procedure. --Though it is amusing to imagine that perhaps he was being primaried so quickly off the field that this has been used. I'm somewhat curious as to when this was for archival reasons.).
His work will speak for itself, or it won't - Just as it is with the rest of us. We are all equals in a certain sense. You might find my disinterest at odds with my position, but I think it's the long and short of it. Ultimately, I'm not a soldier, so I feel no particular compunction to defend my superiors' characters beyond what I personally understand to be true, just out of decency. Contention, however, is valuable information.
That said, it was not in our plans at any time to attempt to win the race started by a suspicious Tukoss message. We were more interested in developing doctrines around what came out, and very few of us care what the administration wants us to do. It's very likely that Federals that did collect those items for him gave them to that fifth party that I hear rumour about. But I don't think our 'failure' has to do with a lack of national conviction or the State is in a worse position than I assume - We should both simply applaud ourselves for not getting caught up in a race that was entirely a status symbol and ultimately surely serves some nefarious future incident I have no imagination for. Between us, we have an eye for what is a gaudy show. All our governments' R&D have really done is given us flavours of T3 toys to continue all this with. People will just use which ever one they like best regardless of the order. The Amarr didn't have an ahead for even a day with markets the way they are. It's a little bit ridiculous to think about.
One more fact remains, I was clearly short-tempered the other day and snipped in my post. Given the short patience understandable around here, I should have held my tongue better and I apologize - it was a needless addendum to the discussion, and the sort of thing that frequently derails perfectly good subjects. |
Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
873
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Posted - 2015.04.13 00:46:19 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:So now we are causing trouble. Do something good with your life instead. |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
597
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Posted - 2015.04.13 01:34:32 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:Rinai Vero wrote:So now we are causing trouble. Do something good with your life instead.
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Ookaay?
The Scope wrote:
This just in, Luminaire General Rinai Vero spotted petting cute puppy. No further news at this time.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
213
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Posted - 2015.04.13 01:36:07 -
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Eeee! Puppy! |
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