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Helison
Gallente Times of Ancar THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2006.11.06 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Makhan It's been asked before but I'll ask again, are deadspace signatures supposted to be ultrarare? And where are they anyway?
My experiences: 1) One deadspace signature in a 0.0 COSMOS-constellation, which lead me to a COSMOS-site with several agents. I first saw the site on directional scanner, than scanned for it and got it on the first try (but canŠt remember which probe). 2) Several other deadspace-signatures on directional scanner in 0.0 COSMOS constellations. No success with probing them. Used several probes, scanned many times. 3) One deadspace-signature in a normal 0.0 NPC-claimed system on directional scanner. No success with probing it. I havnŠt found any other deadspace-signature.
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Makhan
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Posted - 2006.11.06 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Helison
Originally by: Makhan It's been asked before but I'll ask again, are deadspace signatures supposted to be ultrarare? And where are they anyway?
My experiences: 1) One deadspace signature in a 0.0 COSMOS-constellation, which lead me to a COSMOS-site with several agents. I first saw the site on directional scanner, than scanned for it and got it on the first try (but canŠt remember which probe). 2) Several other deadspace-signatures on directional scanner in 0.0 COSMOS constellations. No success with probing them. Used several probes, scanned many times. 3) One deadspace-signature in a normal 0.0 NPC-claimed system on directional scanner. No success with probing it. I havnŠt found any other deadspace-signature.
So what you're saying is... They are only in 0.0? Oh god.
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Brolly
Caldari The Department of Justice
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Posted - 2006.11.06 03:14:00 -
[63]
What skills reduce the time required to get info, atm it's taking 320 seconds with astrometrics at 4 and signal acquisition at 1 using the first load of probes which came out and I'm flying a cheetah. Are they normally this slow?
If I had ú1 for every intelligent comment posted in general discussion, I'd be hideously in debt |
Sunaria
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Posted - 2006.11.06 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Helison
Originally by: Makhan It's been asked before but I'll ask again, are deadspace signatures supposted to be ultrarare? And where are they anyway?
My experiences: 1) One deadspace signature in a 0.0 COSMOS-constellation, which lead me to a COSMOS-site with several agents. I first saw the site on directional scanner, than scanned for it and got it on the first try (but canŠt remember which probe). 2) Several other deadspace-signatures on directional scanner in 0.0 COSMOS constellations. No success with probing them. Used several probes, scanned many times. 3) One deadspace-signature in a normal 0.0 NPC-claimed system on directional scanner. No success with probing it. I havnŠt found any other deadspace-signature.
What I think happend is that he didn't had the deadspace-signatures enabled in overview, cause each COSMOS constelation allready has complexes in it that are visible to all. Fly to an empire COSMOSS const. if you think I'm wrong
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Xcom
Gallente Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.06 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Aertuun Edited by: Aertuun on 05/11/2006 14:04:52 Spent a few hours last night working out how signal strength was calculated, with help from the beautiful assistants wapacz and Gli Liphon.
Signal strength is the percentage chance a ship within your probe's range will be found. It also is used in determining result inaccuracy.
Signal strength = (Signature radius of ship * Probe sensor strength * Ship Distance from probe (as a % of probe range)) divided by (Ship Sensor Strength * 100)
So for a Raven being found with a Snoop probe at negligible range from the probe:
Signal = (460 * 20 * 1.00 ) / (22 * 100) = 4.18
Currently unsure about:
How the probe's range is converted into a percentage. At 9.77 AU range on a 10 AU probe, signal strength is reduced by 0.1895 (18.9%). It's possible there's a rock bottom of 15-16% signal strength exists for absolute max range.
Also unsure how it scales between the two values (from zero range to max range). May do some tests today on that.
Can you pleas explain what you describe here.
Signal = (460 * 20 * 1.00 ) / (22 * 100) = 4.18
1. What is 4.18? ItÆs just a number. Please describe what it means. 2. How does that affect the percentage of finding an object? 3. How does it affect the distance you will end up from the target after warping to it?
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Hoshi
DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.06 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Xcom
Can you pleas explain what you describe here.
Signal = (460 * 20 * 1.00 ) / (22 * 100) = 4.18
1. What is 4.18? ItÆs just a number. Please describe what it means. 2. How does that affect the percentage of finding an object? 3. How does it affect the distance you will end up from the target after warping to it?
From what I understand 4.18 is the chance to find the target and the range you will end up from it. More than 1 = 100% chance and you can warp in at 0km. At 0.5 you would have 50% chance, not sure at the distance but probably around 50% of max deviation for that probe.
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Helison
Gallente Times of Ancar THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2006.11.06 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: Helison on 06/11/2006 12:19:38
Originally by: Sunaria
Originally by: Helison
Originally by: Makhan It's been asked before but I'll ask again, are deadspace signatures supposted to be ultrarare? And where are they anyway?
My experiences: 1) One deadspace signature in a 0.0 COSMOS-constellation, which lead me to a COSMOS-site with several agents. I first saw the site on directional scanner, than scanned for it and got it on the first try (but canŠt remember which probe). 2) Several other deadspace-signatures on directional scanner in 0.0 COSMOS constellations. No success with probing them. Used several probes, scanned many times. 3) One deadspace-signature in a normal 0.0 NPC-claimed system on directional scanner. No success with probing it. I havnŠt found any other deadspace-signature.
What I think happend is that he didn't had the deadspace-signatures enabled in overview, cause each COSMOS constelation allready has complexes in it that are visible to all. Fly to an empire COSMOSS const. if you think I'm wrong
I havnŠt checked any empire COSMOS const, so no warpable deadspace-signatures. I was only flying through a few low-sec systems and many 0.0 systems (but not the new regions).
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Monty Burns
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Posted - 2006.11.06 12:40:00 -
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Perleeeeassse!!!! I beg of you, leave the ranges in the probe title (and add it for the new ones).
Makes zero diference to the game except making it less annoying when buying them Darwin 4tw
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Aertuun
Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.06 14:11:00 -
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Edited by: Aertuun on 06/11/2006 14:12:58
Originally by: Hoshi
Originally by: Xcom
Can you pleas explain what you describe here.
Signal = (460 * 20 * 1.00 ) / (22 * 100) = 4.18
1. What is 4.18? ItÆs just a number. Please describe what it means. 2. How does that affect the percentage of finding an object? 3. How does it affect the distance you will end up from the target after warping to it?
From what I understand 4.18 is the chance to find the target and the range you will end up from it. More than 1 = 100% chance and you can warp in at 0km.
Yes, this is the right interpretation. The reason "divide by 100" is in the formula above is to convert the percentage into what you see in game.
Quote: At 0.5 you would have 50% chance, not sure at the distance but probably around 50% of max deviation for that probe.
0.5 is 50%, but what effects the inaccuracy of a result is currently unknown. What we do know is that greater than 1.0 signal strength = 0km inaccuracy. We also know the inaccuracy of probe results vary from scan to scan.
We also don't know for sure how the distance works, in terms of the distance between the ship and the probe.
At zero range, there is no effect on signal strength due to range (signal is "full" or 100%). At max range of probe, I'm fairly sure signal strength is reduced to 35% of what it otherwise would be (this has been updated from the post before, where I thought max range = 16% due to mixing up results).
In between, I think, based on what a poster said before, can be worked out with:
Effect on signal strength due to range is based around sin(x), where x is the percentage of the probe's range.
Will test this once home.
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Kai Lae
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.06 14:40:00 -
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I know this will make me sound like an idiot, but could someone provide a step-by-step how you actually use probes these days? I tried it last night but was unable to do anything. I assume this was because:
1. I don't know what I was doing
OR
2. I was bugged
It would help to know which one it was.
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Cinnamon Red
Euphoria and Co.
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Posted - 2006.11.06 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Llyando Autora Not sure if this is the right place for this but nm here goes...
I will start by saying that I am quite capable of using scan probes on TQ, I have the skills, Astrometrics 2, Science is at 5 so that is not an issue and basically any other skill needed on TQ, I have. On SiSi I can launch a 5AU probe from either the recon or scan probe launcher, I go to my scanner and select the probe, try to select a group to scan for... and can't. It will not let me select a group, I click on a group but unlike TQ it does not highlight my selection. I click the analyse button and nothing happens (although the notice saying that I must select one group is still present at the top of the scanner). I have tried all sorts of random combinations of the above, from lauching 3 seperate scan probes in 3 locations, selcting all of them and continuing, different sequences of selecting probes, and destroying my current probe and starting again. Nothing seems to help.
Anyone else had this problem or is it just me? (And if this isnt the place for this post could someone direct me to the correct spot?)
Thanks,
Llyando Autora
I am still having precisely this problem myself. No matter what probe and launcher I try, I can't select a scanning group. I've tried each time I've been on the test server (about four or five times now) and it's failing to work every time.
Any update from a dev about what's up and how the fix is going please?
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Llyando Autora
The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.06 20:24:00 -
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Just to add fun to the mix... Scan probes now work for me, I have no idea why, I just logged on today and they worked.
BTW the new scanning system is amazing and I love it :)
Thanks for the suggestions and good luck to people still trying,
Llyando
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dizzycow
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Posted - 2006.11.06 22:38:00 -
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I have been trying to find a hidden complex I know the location from before. I have used snoop scanners but Im unsure if they even can find complexes.
so what configuration should I use drone & probe scrap ship cosmic signature or structure?
been trying to scan now for 4 hours with out luck (600sec each scan! ) and I have been 0,3 au from the target not found one bit
are there any ting Im doing wrong?
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Brolly
Caldari The Department of Justice
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Posted - 2006.11.07 01:59:00 -
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Edited by: Brolly on 07/11/2006 01:59:29 /me has a cunning plan
I actually put together something for my corps forums, just a quick and dirty 'how I did it, i'll post again here incase it becomes useful.
*******
First off, here we have the system scanner pannel
Lets launch us a probe, note, only 1 probe is required now instead of 3 (I have used a single probe and managed to get results, please correct me if my methodology is wrong)
***NOTE*** Before trying to scan with your probe, wait for your probe launcher to de-activate, also, set it to manual.
We now want to select what we want to scan for. We can select one group for every level of astrometris is trained (yes, I only have it trained to 4)
Once done, select our probe and select analyze
now to play the waiting game
Woohoo!, we have stuff!
By opening system map we can see where everything is
If I had ú1 for every intelligent comment posted in general discussion, I'd be hideously in debt |
Uuve Savisaalo
Umbra Congregatio
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Posted - 2006.11.07 05:34:00 -
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What is needed is a corelative selection between scanner results and system map blip displays, ergo:
John pops out a probe, runs scan whilst switching into system view, receives overlay of results in system view, rolls mouse over scan result in scanner window and/or selects it, corresponding with a blip on system map that lights up a shade brighter accordingly.
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wapacz
Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.07 05:43:00 -
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For those of you having problem selecting a a type to scan, may want to try deleting your macho net folder. This solved the problem when I was having it.
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Moonaru Izu
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Posted - 2006.11.07 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Brolly
By opening system map we can see where everything is
Nice overview of how to scan. I've been on it also for a few days and for some reason I have a very hard time to warp to Ibis classed ships. Others seem to be fine, i.e. I jump "in there face" whenver the accuracy is below 100km but for Ibis I always end up in Limbo..nothing there after jump. Even with an accuracy of 0km.
I wonder if you are able to do this succesfully, seeing as you have an Ibis on your scan results aswell.
Otherwise the Ibis class might become the new Covert Ops
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Joerd Toastius
Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2006.11.07 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Uuve Savisaalo What is needed is a corelative selection between scanner results and system map blip displays, ergo:
John pops out a probe, runs scan whilst switching into system view, receives overlay of results in system view, rolls mouse over scan result in scanner window and/or selects it, corresponding with a blip on system map that lights up a shade brighter accordingly.
You should be able to extrapolate which result is which given that the systemmap lets you know type and distance; this change would make life a mite easier but the functionality's basically already there.
Also, I don't recommend using snoops to look for cosmic signatures, they don't have the power.
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Sunaria
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Posted - 2006.11.07 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Joerd Toastius
Also, I don't recommend using snoops to look for cosmic signatures, they don't have the power.
what do you recommend then ?
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Dahin
Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.07 12:54:00 -
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I'm repeating my tests for the apparent extreme accuracy currently on the probes.
I have just launched an observator probe 13-20au away from the pvp areas in FD- (p9). Scanned for ships and I got the following results:
1 Drake with 0m deviation 2 frig/cruiser with 200-500km deviation 3 dread/bs with 1-3k km deviation 5 bc/bs with 7-9k km deviation
The average of those numbers is about 3.000 kilometers. The average of those numbers in the curren system is (95au/2)7.125.000.000 kilometers That's a 2.375.000x boost over the old ones
The numbers seem very wrong, quite possibly mistaken entries.
I would appreciate the GM's placing ships in random far-off supersafes (from like 30 au off the system up to 1.000 au's off) so people can try this? In FD-MLJ that is. Mebbe place a can directing people not to move those ships since they are for test purposes?
I tried bugging the color-lettered person in local but he was too buys :/
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Nemtar Nataal
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Posted - 2006.11.07 14:05:00 -
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....................ohhh mighty CCP please let me complet just a single scan ..............................
I might just be daft....but are a single scan with a probe suppose to out last the lifetime of your probes?
(As you can properly figure i can quait confirm if the scanning system workes because i havent had a succesfull scan yet....)
BTW the thing about deleting the MacroNET folder workes like a charm...problem solved...as i wasnt able to sellect a category to scan in before.
If anyone wonders im using a Heroi (lvl5 frigate) and i have 5 survay and 5 astrometrics....and well if a scan with my current skills out last the life time of a probe i can only imagin how many porblems other players might have testing the scanning features of kali.
Well your are most welcom to try and tell me what im doing wrong
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Moonaru Izu
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Posted - 2006.11.07 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Nemtar Nataal ....................ohhh mighty CCP
Well your are most welcom to try and tell me what im doing wrong
You are most likely using the wrong probe launcher for what you are trying to achieve. Make sure that you use the Recon Probe Launcher
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Joerd Toastius
Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2006.11.07 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sunaria
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
Also, I don't recommend using snoops to look for cosmic signatures, they don't have the power.
what do you recommend then ?
Sift probe + scan probe launcher + covops + covops skill 4 + signal acquisition skill 3. Only way to get a reliable result.
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Hoshi
DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.07 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dahin Edited by: Dahin on 07/11/2006 13:03:28 Edited by: Dahin on 07/11/2006 13:02:37 I'm repeating my tests for the apparent extreme accuracy currently on the probes.
I have just launched an observator probe 13-20au away from the pvp areas in FD- (p9). Scanned for ships and I got the following results:
1 Drake with 0m deviation 2 frig/cruiser with 200-500km deviation 3 dread/bs with 1-3k km deviation 5 bc/bs with 7-9k km deviation
The average of those numbers is about 3.000 kilometers. The average of those numbers in the curren system is (95au/2)7.125.000.000 kilometers That's a 2.375.000x boost over the old ones
One can argue that there should be a nerf in the result deviation rather than a boost. Getting a result 50au off the target today doesn't mean much, but with the kali system a 50 au result is a major step ahead. One should expect to see a min<->max deviation on the observator based on the 192au probe stats. I don't remember the new stat on this probe, but a 50 au average deviation sounds reasonable, with mebbe as minimum the maximum range of the 48 au probes. So a lucky or highly skilled prober can skip one step of the scanning probes under the new system.
If you check the stats the oberservetor probe now has a max scan deviation of just 10.000 km. But it only have 1 sensor strenght so you might have to probe a several (10-20) times before you find the target.
Only the sensor specifik probes have max scan deviation which is counted in AUs and even there it's around 6au at most.
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Andargor theWise
Disbelievers of Fate The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.07 20:29:00 -
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I wonder if it would be possible for launched probes to be used by gang members having the proper skills?
It would give "recon squad" a whole new meaning.
- Got grief?
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Hoshi
DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.08 00:51:00 -
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Someone good with math who wants to take a shot at making a function for signal strength/range?
Currently too tired to even think how I should start and was too long ago I did stuff like this that I think I forgotten how to :)
Anyway here is my test data: 0 2.12 3.08 5.27 7.39 8.92 11.19 14.19 15.65 17.92 20.99 23.19 23.99 26.26 28.46 30.73 32.26 33.73 36.73 38.99 40
1 0.997 0.994 0.983 0.966 0.951 0.925 0.881 0.858 0.818 0.759 0.714 0.698 0.650 0.603 0.554 0.522 0.491 0.430 0.386 0.350
First row is range from probe to ship in AU, max range of the probe is 40AU. Second row is how much Signal Strength is left at that range (1=100%, 0.35=35).
My first thought is -x*log(x) but might be completely wrong.
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wapacz
Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.08 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: Nemtar Nataal ....................ohhh mighty CCP please let me complet just a single scan ..............................
I might just be daft....but are a single scan with a probe suppose to out last the lifetime of your probes?
(As you can properly figure i can quait confirm if the scanning system workes because i havent had a succesfull scan yet....)
BTW the thing about deleting the MacroNET folder workes like a charm...problem solved...as i wasnt able to sellect a category to scan in before.
If anyone wonders im using a Heroi (lvl5 frigate) and i have 5 survay and 5 astrometrics....and well if a scan with my current skills out last the life time of a probe i can only imagin how many porblems other players might have testing the scanning features of kali.
Well your are most welcom to try and tell me what im doing wrong
Try the recon launcher. It has a smaller size so can't fit the new bigger probes but it cuts down the scan time of a snopes to 2 minutes on a ship with no bonuses.
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Helison
Gallente Times of Ancar THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2006.11.08 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi Someone good with math who wants to take a shot at making a function for signal strength/range?
Currently too tired to even think how I should start and was too long ago I did stuff like this that I think I forgotten how to :)
Anyway here is my test data: 0 2.12 3.08 5.27 7.39 8.92 11.19 14.19 15.65 17.92 20.99 23.19 23.99 26.26 28.46 30.73 32.26 33.73 36.73 38.99 40
1 0.997 0.994 0.983 0.966 0.951 0.925 0.881 0.858 0.818 0.759 0.714 0.698 0.650 0.603 0.554 0.522 0.491 0.430 0.386 0.350
First row is range from probe to ship in AU, max range of the probe is 40AU. Second row is how much Signal Strength is left at that range (1=100%, 0.35=35).
My first thought is -x*log(x) but might be completely wrong.
A quite good fit (but not perfect) for this would be 1-(x/1.3)^1.6, where x is actual range / max range. But I would need a few datapoints for above 40AU so I can check if the exponential function is behaving ok.
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Hoshi
DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.08 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Helison
A quite good fit (but not perfect) for this would be 1-(x/1.3)^1.6, where x is actual range / max range. But I would need a few datapoints for above 40AU so I can check if the exponential function is behaving ok.
Not possible, it's hard limited at max probe range (40au for that probe), if you have a target at 40.1 AU the probe won't find it.
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Andargor theWise
Disbelievers of Fate The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.08 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Helison
Originally by: Hoshi Someone good with math who wants to take a shot at making a function for signal strength/range?
Currently too tired to even think how I should start and was too long ago I did stuff like this that I think I forgotten how to :)
Anyway here is my test data: 0 2.12 3.08 5.27 7.39 8.92 11.19 14.19 15.65 17.92 20.99 23.19 23.99 26.26 28.46 30.73 32.26 33.73 36.73 38.99 40
1 0.997 0.994 0.983 0.966 0.951 0.925 0.881 0.858 0.818 0.759 0.714 0.698 0.650 0.603 0.554 0.522 0.491 0.430 0.386 0.350
First row is range from probe to ship in AU, max range of the probe is 40AU. Second row is how much Signal Strength is left at that range (1=100%, 0.35=35).
My first thought is -x*log(x) but might be completely wrong.
A quite good fit (but not perfect) for this would be 1-(x/1.3)^1.6, where x is actual range / max range. But I would need a few datapoints for above 40AU so I can check if the exponential function is behaving ok.
Is signal strength flat per probe type, or is it modified by skills?
- Got grief?
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