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Kassidus
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2006.10.28 10:29:00 -
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Just wunder why everyone is saying these are going to be so expensive?
I just dont see the reason for a high price tag?
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Glumpumpkin
House Elf Liberation Front
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Posted - 2006.10.28 10:30:00 -
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Everything is expensive at first.
If you want to use different rig configurations on different ships you'll need multiple ships of the same type.
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express The Guardian Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.28 10:40:00 -
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Greed
The same reason the current tech 2 ships sell for ten times what you can insure them for. Pure and simple Greed.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.28 10:43:00 -
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I dont know much about how to create rigs, but if alot of people can do it, prices will fall. If only a few people can do it, prices will rise.
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Dread Phantom
Caldari Project-Chaos
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Posted - 2006.10.28 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Mecinia Lua Greed
The same reason the current tech 2 ships sell for ten times what you can insure them for. Pure and simple Greed.
Shame that is not true
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Araxmas
Caldari Imperial Space Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.28 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dread Phantom
Originally by: Mecinia Lua Greed
The same reason the current tech 2 ships sell for ten times what you can insure them for. Pure and simple Greed.
Shame that is not true
Yes it is, a HAC does not require about 100-300 mill in materials to make but the price is amped to that for a profit.....heck if i had a HAC bpo i'd do the same thing. --------
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express The Guardian Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.28 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dread Phantom
Originally by: Mecinia Lua Greed
The same reason the current tech 2 ships sell for ten times what you can insure them for. Pure and simple Greed.
Shame that is not true
Yes it is, you can call it supply and demand, capitilism whatever you like but in essence when you boil it down to the basics its Greed. .
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HiroAntagonist
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Posted - 2006.10.28 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mecinia Lua Greed
The same reason the current tech 2 ships sell for ten times what you can insure them for. Pure and simple Greed.
I'm sure you've never actually bothered to figure out the build cost on T2 ships, they're not supposed to fully insure.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.10.28 11:01:00 -
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HAC prices will fall quite substantially based on t2 frig prices u can expect a pullback to 80m once peeps get skills and supply goes up
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire
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Posted - 2006.10.28 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Mecinia Lua Greed
The same reason the current tech 2 ships sell for ten times what you can insure them for. Pure and simple Greed.
No, it's not greed, it's curiosity, and curiosity is expensive.
Curiosity has a huge pricetag when things are brand new. If you want to be one of the first to play with it, buy it! If you want to produce them yourselves, get on it, then charge what you think is fair!
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BBQ
Gallente Suicidal Tendencies Ltd
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Posted - 2006.10.28 11:16:00 -
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Edited by: BBQ on 28/10/2006 11:17:31 Rigs will either go to silly prices because people will be shuttling them around to different systems (presuming that things like shield bonus ones wont drop in armor tanking areas etc) and people will look at the skills needed and just not bother with them.
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Rigs will start high and very very quickly fall as more and more people work out that the 2 lvl 5 skills needed are actually not to much work and then they can then start producing rigs.
I have been playing with rigs on the test server, currently once fitted the only way to remove a rig is to repackage the ship but this destroys the rig. There is no way to remove a rig once fitted without destroying it. If there are cheap enough rigs then repackaging the ship to change the role it has wont cost to much (appart from insurance problems).
Personally I am looking forward to rigs as they will allow customisation of ships beyond what we have now. I am currently training up the last lvl 5 skill thats needed (6 days training from lvl 4) so will just need the salvage skill when Kali hits TQ. ----
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.28 13:02:00 -
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Like everyone, I say it'll be very high at the start, but will drop down in time. When demand is at it's highest (every single pilot in the game will suddenly want rigs for their favourite combat ships- every single ship in the game is, at the start, rig-free) and supply is at it's lowest (not everyone who WILL produce will actually be producing from the word go) will lead to high prices. When most ships have been rigged, so onl the newly built ships will need new rigs, and more poeple have started producing- the price will stabilise. -----------------------------------------------
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Reiisha
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2006.10.28 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Mecinia Lua Greed
The same reason the current tech 2 ships sell for ten times what you can insure them for. Pure and simple Greed.
Tech 2 ships are insured for their recycled mineral value. The original component values are a lot higher, but this is not taken into account.
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Monica Foulkes
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2006.10.28 14:49:00 -
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What will determine the price is simply how many PvP people that will salvage other peoples wrecks since the materials for the more advanced rigs only will come from dead T2 ships.
Guess pirates/gankers finally will have a nice source of income. Ransoms will definitely go up in price or just completely cease to exist in favor of "Wreck mining"
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Calio
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.28 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Mecinia Lua
Originally by: Dread Phantom
Originally by: Mecinia Lua Greed
The same reason the current tech 2 ships sell for ten times what you can insure them for. Pure and simple Greed.
Shame that is not true
Yes it is, you can call it supply and demand, capitilism whatever you like but in essence when you boil it down to the basics its Greed. .
OK. Then I suppose if you have 3 people interested in buying your house, you will sell it to the one who offers the least (instead of the one who offers the most) because it only cost half the lowest offer to build. Right? After all, you're not greedy like those damn T2 bastards.
Sheeesh! gotta love the people who slept through their economics classes. When they ask for top price, it's only fair. when others do, it's greed.
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Siege
Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting
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Posted - 2006.10.28 21:03:00 -
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I was under the impression that rigs were something that were going to be drops only, and there was no production method for them at all. That, and people won't be able to un-fit them from ships and sell them (though they could always blow up the ship and hope the rigs survive). So, supply will be rather limited.
Its probably going to vary from rig to rig, with the rare, powerful and popular ones being very pricey. But common and not-so-great ones being cheap.
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zeKzn
Empire of Destiny
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Posted - 2006.10.28 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mecinia Lua Yes it is, you can call it supply and demand, capitilism whatever you like but in essence when you boil it down to the basics its Greed. .
And nobody gives a crap.
Your argument is as childish as calling people names instead of addressing their points.
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Imechal Ravpeim
Amarr International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.28 21:24:00 -
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They'll probably cost about the same as the skill implants... maybe a little more since ships obviously blow up more than pods. But if the supply is higher then it'll probably be about the same.
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Quin Tal
Fort Knox Inc Expeto Libertas Foedus
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Posted - 2006.10.28 21:28:00 -
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With power, comes money. With money, comes greed.
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.28 21:31:00 -
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Lol... with all NPC wrecks from belts/missions as well as any loot-dropping mission structure and sentry guns creating wrecks, there's going to be an overabundance of t1 rig components.
Seeing as T2 BPs can only be achieved by invention, that part of the market is self-regulating as well...
I expect the price or T1 rigs to be trivial, a few million at most. ----------------
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MuffinsRevenger
EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2006.10.28 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: keepiru Lol... with all NPC wrecks from belts/missions as well as any loot-dropping mission structure and sentry guns creating wrecks, there's going to be an overabundance of t1 rig components.
Seeing as T2 BPs can only be achieved by invention, that part of the market is self-regulating as well...
I expect the price or T1 rigs to be trivial, a few million at most.
unless some part of the proces requires items only aquireble in 0.0 cosmos constelations, like they where talking about the boosters beeing
in that case, camping is going to ensure and nobody exept for the people controlling those areas are going to pay resonble prices
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ObiDoom Kenobi
Gallente The Senators of The Confederation Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.28 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Overlord HAC prices will fall quite substantially based on t2 frig prices u can expect a pullback to 80m once peeps get skills and supply goes up
I don't know about that. When i started playing this time last year people were complaining about how HAC's were almost as expensive as Battleships. Compare that to now.
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Cez
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Posted - 2006.10.28 22:04:00 -
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Whoa! easy fellas... nice hijack of a thread... I don't think the op anywhere started beeotching about HAC pricies...chill out... LOL.
Oh, btw... HAC prices are so high cause supply is purposely limited to create demand... nuff said. Oh, and cost to build is around 40mil... yups.
Cheers, you greedy Bill Gates wannabes.
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Shugo Kazuma
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Posted - 2006.10.29 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: Cez Oh, btw... HAC prices are so high cause supply is purposely limited to create demand... nuff said. Oh, and cost to build is around 40mil... yups.
I'm not sure that people mind that so much as that the number of BPOs released probably aren't realistically matched with the rapid growth the game has had since their introduction. What was the player to BPO ratio that was envisioned when they started releasing compared to what the Player BPO ratio is right now?
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2006.10.29 03:59:00 -
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well - as long as the prices are paid, thre's no reason for them to drop. be that HACs, rigs or +5 Imps.
and since there will always be someone with too much money going for the ultimate ship, there's nothing wrong with trying a high price.
there's no such thing as greed. just stupidity/stubbornness that pays high prices when theres heaps of other options. yes, you do have the option of simply not buying a HAC, rig, +5 imp
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Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2006.10.29 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: Calio
Originally by: Mecinia Lua
Originally by: Dread Phantom
Originally by: Mecinia Lua Greed
The same reason the current tech 2 ships sell for ten times what you can insure them for. Pure and simple Greed.
Shame that is not true
Yes it is, you can call it supply and demand, capitilism whatever you like but in essence when you boil it down to the basics its Greed. .
OK. Then I suppose if you have 3 people interested in buying your house, you will sell it to the one who offers the least (instead of the one who offers the most) because it only cost half the lowest offer to build. Right? After all, you're not greedy like those damn T2 bastards.
Sheeesh! gotta love the people who slept through their economics classes. When they ask for top price, it's only fair. when others do, it's greed.
Oddly enough, you managed to stay awake in economics class, but ethics classes must have been low priority.
Selling anything for "top price" is in fact GREEDY. Especially when "top price" is about 500% above what it cost to make the product.
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Beatrus
Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.29 05:54:00 -
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Originally by: Locke DieDrake Edited by: Locke DieDrake on 29/10/2006 04:15:56
Originally by: Calio
Originally by: Mecinia Lua
Originally by: Dread Phantom
Originally by: Mecinia Lua Greed
The same reason the current tech 2 ships sell for ten times what you can insure them for. Pure and simple Greed.
Shame that is not true
Yes it is, you can call it supply and demand, capitilism whatever you like but in essence when you boil it down to the basics its Greed. .
OK. Then I suppose if you have 3 people interested in buying your house, you will sell it to the one who offers the least (instead of the one who offers the most) because it only cost half the lowest offer to build. Right? After all, you're not greedy like those damn T2 bastards.
Sheeesh! gotta love the people who slept through their economics classes. When they ask for top price, it's only fair. when others do, it's greed.
Oddly enough, you managed to stay awake in economics class, but ethics classes must have been low priority.
Selling anything for "top price" is in fact GREEDY. Especially when "top price" is about 500% above what it cost to make the product.
You can sit there and say that it's just simple economics, but it's not. It's simple capitalism. And capitalism has only one tenant. GREED. Get a clue. OH, and please don't try and define capitalism or economics as the same thing, they are very different.
And the fact that people are willing to pay that mark up has nothing to do with the price??? Yes if its greed for the seller to sell to the highest bidder what does that make the person willing to buy it for that price? Its a two way street here if no ones willing to buy it for those prices the price will fall.
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Inen
Minmatar OLE Mining Corp Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2006.10.29 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Locke DieDrake
Oddly enough, you managed to stay awake in economics class, but ethics classes must have been low priority.
Selling anything for "top price" is in fact GREEDY. Especially when "top price" is about 500% above what it cost to make the product.
You can sit there and say that it's just simple economics, but it's not. It's simple capitalism. And capitalism has only one tenant. GREED. Get a clue. OH, and please don't try and define capitalism or economics as the same thing, they are very different.
On your point of capitalism, you are right. Capitalism is "an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market." From Webster.
On your point of greed, you are wrong. Greed is "a selfish and excessive desire for more of something (as money) than is needed." From Webster. Who are you to say what is needed and what is not. Perhaps said T2 producer needs more money to fund his alliance war. Perhaps said T2 producer needs more money because he would like to buy other expensive toys because that is his thrill, flying around in a multi-billion isk ship. For you to judge the "need" of something in a game is ridiculous. You do not like the state of T2 or the prices, then fly T1 or cancel.
But for you to point fingers at someone for producing a T2 BPO and calling it greed is no better than a kid throwing a tantrum and calling someone stupid because they cannot get there way.
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zeKzn
Empire of Destiny
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Posted - 2006.10.29 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Locke DieDrake Oddly enough, you managed to stay awake in economics class, but ethics classes must have been low priority.
Selling anything for "top price" is in fact GREEDY. Especially when "top price" is about 500% above what it cost to make the product.
You can sit there and say that it's just simple economics, but it's not. It's simple capitalism. And capitalism has only one tenant. GREED. Get a clue. OH, and please don't try and define capitalism or economics as the same thing, they are very different.
You ignore, however, the point that there is nothing ethically wrong with greed.
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Illuminaty
ISS Logistics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.29 11:06:00 -
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The problem isn't T2 prices.
Rare = expensive. Fine.
The problem is T2 BPOs.
What did a person who wins the T2 lotto do to deserve having giant wads of cash handed to them on a daily basis? They got lucky. And people complain about ECM being a 'dice roll' to win 1 combat. The T2 lotto is someone winning EVE with a dice roll.
No skill was involved with talking to a couple stupid agents and collecting your daily RPs with zero work on your part. The most anyone did was train up more alts and collect more RPs than the other guy, sacrafice a chicken in a good luck ritual, and pray that the guy with 15 RPs isn't the guy with the winning lotto ticket.
No matter how expensive rigs are, it will be because they are rare and work is involved. Nobody is getting an I-WIN button for life where they make billions of isk for about the same level of work that a T1 producer gets peanuts for.
Anyone who gets rich off rigs (and people will), will get rich because they -played- the game, and were -better- at the game, instead of just getting lucky and winning the lottery.
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