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Jean Moreau
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.13 14:21:52 -
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So I've been looking at a ton of the ships and after coming across the Ferox, I thought "Wow, that's a good looking ship, I want to fly that thing." I looked at the bonuses and it looks like Railguns are the go-to weapon for it, which also happen to be my favorite weapon type. So what I was coming to ask is: Is the Ferox a decent fleet ship? Is it something I could bring into a casual fleet and do somewhat decent damage with? If you guys think it's a somewhat decent ship, i'll probably pick it up, so a fitting would be immensely helpful as i'm not too good at deciding what to fit on ships yet. Consider that i'm fairly new and am only able to use the first tier of railguns, and most of my combat skills are not very high.
Thanks for any help guys. |
Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
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Posted - 2015.04.13 18:31:21 -
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ferox is a solid ship, just generally battlecruisers are not popular atm due to being too slow and cruisers generally doing everything they can do but better. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
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Posted - 2015.04.13 20:42:40 -
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It's a really bad eagle with rails, can jump 100k every so often but got some serious buffer with all the downsides of being a battleship sized target. Looks like a bomber's wet dream of a target. |
Arthur Aihaken
Jormungand Corporation
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Posted - 2015.04.13 23:53:24 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:It's a really bad eagle with rails, can jump 100k every so often but got some serious buffer with all the downsides of being a battleship sized target. Looks like a bomber's wet dream of a target. It looks nice, though.
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Caligula Gaius Claudian
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.14 01:49:52 -
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It is like smaller rokh, but you can't squize much dps from rail set up. Better go for tengu or either rokh. |
Silence Dubensky
Ultramar Independent Contracting
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Posted - 2015.04.14 01:57:31 -
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Yes, it's quite useful in the right fleet. A blaster fit when you have some smaller ships to give you points and webs can do some decent dps and you can pack 70k+ ehp on one if it's fitted right. biggest problem of course is speed and agility, it's not much better than a battleship. If nothing else it has decent tracking.
On my phone I can't give you my exact ferox fit, but it's more or less this:
[Ferox, fleet ferox] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Warrior SW-300 x5
Absolutely useless on its own, but it does some alright dps (585 with all skills at 5) and has 80-odd thousand ehp.
You can try rails but you'll only get 400 |
To mare
Advanced Technology
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Posted - 2015.04.14 09:31:28 -
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the Ferox is one the best BC, the problem it`s the class itself it`s pretty screwed. |
Ozz Burtus
Anomalous Existence Low-Class
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Posted - 2015.04.14 18:00:08 -
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The Ferox is just fine. If you're going for a blaster fit I would make sure you have an MWD on there though, so you can apply damage before your fleet-mates pop the target. Rails are favoured because you can typically start shooting usefully as soon as you get on grid. People often forget that 800dps is nice if you can apply it, but if you're flying about out of range for half the fight 400dps that you can project is just as good. |
Jean Moreau
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.14 18:32:04 -
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Ozz Burtus wrote:The Ferox is just fine. If you're going for a blaster fit I would make sure you have an MWD on there though, so you can apply damage before your fleet-mates pop the target. Rails are favoured because you can typically start shooting usefully as soon as you get on grid. People often forget that 800dps is nice if you can apply it, but if you're flying about out of range for half the fight 400dps that you can project is just as good. What would be some good Rails for use on a Ferox? I'm only able to use medium tier-1 hybrids, so I can't be using fancy weapons. I would think 250mm or 200mm would be best because of range, but I'm also fairly unaware of benefits of different ammo types. All I really know is Antimatter which apparently cuts your effective range in half. |
Ozz Burtus
Anomalous Existence Low-Class
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Posted - 2015.04.14 20:22:54 -
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Jean Moreau wrote:Ozz Burtus wrote:The Ferox is just fine. If you're going for a blaster fit I would make sure you have an MWD on there though, so you can apply damage before your fleet-mates pop the target. Rails are favoured because you can typically start shooting usefully as soon as you get on grid. People often forget that 800dps is nice if you can apply it, but if you're flying about out of range for half the fight 400dps that you can project is just as good. What would be some good Rails for use on a Ferox? I'm only able to use medium tier-1 hybrids, so I can't be using fancy weapons. I would think 250mm or 200mm would be best because of range, but I'm also fairly unaware of benefits of different ammo types. All I really know is Antimatter which apparently cuts your effective range in half.
It's at this point you should go and have a look at the stats of the weapons and ammo and play in a fitting tool like pyfa or EFT. Trial a few fits against the rats in easy combat sites or your corp mates. If the in-game stats make you queasy, go look at the eve university website there's lots there. |
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To mare
Advanced Technology
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Posted - 2015.04.14 20:30:02 -
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Jean Moreau wrote:Ozz Burtus wrote:The Ferox is just fine. If you're going for a blaster fit I would make sure you have an MWD on there though, so you can apply damage before your fleet-mates pop the target. Rails are favoured because you can typically start shooting usefully as soon as you get on grid. People often forget that 800dps is nice if you can apply it, but if you're flying about out of range for half the fight 400dps that you can project is just as good. What would be some good Rails for use on a Ferox? I'm only able to use medium tier-1 hybrids, so I can't be using fancy weapons. I would think 250mm or 200mm would be best because of range, but I'm also fairly unaware of benefits of different ammo types. All I really know is Antimatter which apparently cuts your effective range in half. [Ferox, rail] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge M [empty high slot]
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
something like this, of course use T1 where you dont have the skills for T2, if you cant fit all of it use 200mm rails, you can even put a shield link in the last high slot if you have the skills for it |
Duke Karas
P47
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Posted - 2015.04.19 15:42:03 -
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Ferox is my favorite BC
Only thing it does not do well is move as has been said. Bonuses make it a great passive shield tank, and the hybrid optimal range bonus makes the use of blasters and rails with normally short range ammo (antimatter) much less painful |
To mare
Advanced Technology
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Posted - 2015.04.20 07:54:35 -
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Duke Karas wrote:Ferox is my favorite BC
Only thing it does not do well is move as has been said. Bonuses make it a great passive shield tank, and the hybrid optimal range bonus makes the use of blasters and rails with normally short range ammo (antimatter) much less painful not only passive, the active tank it`s as good as the cyclone
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.20 13:11:19 -
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To mare wrote:the Ferox is one the best BC, the problem it`s the class itself it`s pretty screwed.
This, to be honest. The Ferox is a solid ship, and I know Provi-bloc occasionally drags out fleets of them, with reasonable effect.
The real issue, as others have said, is that battlecruisers are in a poor place right now as a class of ships. They have uses, but in a lot of cases they are simply outperformed by other classes of ships, particularly HACs and T3s.
Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
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abrasive soap
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.20 16:18:50 -
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Is there really a point to the blaster ferox? The moa has about the same damage since it is bonused and the ferox is not. This is ignoring all the other problems with bc's for real pvp |
Duke Karas
P47
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Posted - 2015.04.21 14:33:45 -
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abrasive soap wrote:Is there really a point to the blaster ferox? The moa has about the same damage since it is bonused and the ferox is not. This is ignoring all the other problems with bc's for real pvp
Well..
You get slightly more optimal. But it is slower. So Moa probably ties there.
7 guns vs 5 bonused guns. Pretty even.
Big advantage is the extra shield buffer. That can def be worth it. |
Praxis Ginimic
Best Kept Frozen.
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Posted - 2015.04.22 01:17:35 -
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Jean Moreau wrote:Ozz Burtus wrote:The Ferox is just fine. If you're going for a blaster fit I would make sure you have an MWD on there though, so you can apply damage before your fleet-mates pop the target. Rails are favoured because you can typically start shooting usefully as soon as you get on grid. People often forget that 800dps is nice if you can apply it, but if you're flying about out of range for half the fight 400dps that you can project is just as good. What would be some good Rails for use on a Ferox? I'm only able to use medium tier-1 hybrids, so I can't be using fancy weapons. I would think 250mm or 200mm would be best because of range, but I'm also fairly unaware of benefits of different ammo types. All I really know is Antimatter which apparently cuts your effective range in half.
Faction thorium is a great ammo. You get good projection, decent damage and no tracking penalty.
Edit: I would add my voice to the "use a cruiser" crowd as well. A couple rail moa aren't bad in a small gang and the blaster moa is scary when flown well. |
Fenris Orion
Rapid Withdrawal
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Posted - 2015.04.22 22:20:58 -
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Elenahina wrote:To mare wrote:the Ferox is one the best BC, the problem it`s the class itself it`s pretty screwed. This, to be honest. The Ferox is a solid ship, and I know Provi-bloc occasionally drags out fleets of them, with reasonable effect. The real issue, as others have said, is that battlecruisers are in a poor place right now as a class of ships. They have uses, but in a lot of cases they are simply outperformed by other classes of ships, particularly HACs and T3s.
I beg to differ. Since performance is subjective to the mission you're trying to accomplish, keep in mind that BC's cost 1/3 of what a HAC cost, 1/10th of a T3, and most importantly, aren't nearly as skill intensive. In terms of raw dps/ehp figures, Battlecruisers are way more cost effective.
Essentially, battlecruisers exist for those who lack the skill points or the isk to field HACs. I think the reason you don't see many BC's employed is because those that have the SP/isk to fly shinier toys usually do, cost-effectiveness be d*mned. |
Fenris Orion
Rapid Withdrawal
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Posted - 2015.04.22 22:35:03 -
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Jean Moreau wrote:Ozz Burtus wrote:The Ferox is just fine. If you're going for a blaster fit I would make sure you have an MWD on there though, so you can apply damage before your fleet-mates pop the target. Rails are favoured because you can typically start shooting usefully as soon as you get on grid. People often forget that 800dps is nice if you can apply it, but if you're flying about out of range for half the fight 400dps that you can project is just as good. What would be some good Rails for use on a Ferox? I'm only able to use medium tier-1 hybrids, so I can't be using fancy weapons. I would think 250mm or 200mm would be best because of range, but I'm also fairly unaware of benefits of different ammo types. All I really know is Antimatter which apparently cuts your effective range in half.
To answer your original question, the Ferox is essentially a giant Cormorant. Both get exceptional optimal range (setting them apart from Gallente boats), whick makes them excellent sniper platforms, but terrible brawlers as smaller ships will evade your tracking.
I would recommend getting lots of practice in the 150mm rail Cormorant until you have all of your core skills up to IV and can use T2 medium railguns. Better gear before bigger ships seems to be the number one rule in Eve. Then try using 250mm rails on the Ferox. Good luck! |
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