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Aya Silverye
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.14 12:01:38 -
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Hallo, I returned to the game after a long time - my last active period I was only training skills didn't have time to play at all and now I find that every bit of knowledge, fitting, etc that I took to be absolute are gone due to all the rebalancing done during the last 6-8 months. So I am here asking for help in choosing ships for 1) L4 mission blitzing - no salvaging in Caldair/Amarr hi-sec 2) running anoms against Sansha in null sec. For now I have a raven and can manage to somehow buy and fit a ship for about 800-900 mill.
My skilset can be seen here : http://eveboard.com/pilot/Aya_Silverye
My skillset is a bit spread out since this is my first character but I primarily trained missile and laser skills since I usually operate out of Amarr null sec. I intend to run L4's without salvaging (read in forums that it's not profitable anymore after changes) in Caldari/Amarr hi-sec and cosmic anoms in null sec. My Core/Support skills are reasonably high leveled especially power/cpu so I can manage tight fits.
Also, is it still faster to gain reputation by L2/L3's or has that also changed?
Thank you in advance for all your help! |
Daerrol
Furtherance.
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Posted - 2015.04.14 12:13:35 -
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I use a combination of ships. An Executioner with a Micro Warp Drive, a Paladin, Tachyon Oracle, and a Stabber fleet issue (could easily be Aug Navy or Nomen). The executioner is used for missions such as The Recon, or Cargo Delivery. I use the SFI for other pick ups missions where there is actual DPS or I have to shoot soething... Recon p3, The Anomoly come to mind.
The oracle is used for missions where I need to kill 1-2 thing sand get out such as Eliminate the Pirate Slavers and Duo of Death. The paladin is used for The Blockade (I can hit near incursion level ISK from this) and Pirate Invasion, both single room warp ins with no gates. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.14 13:28:27 -
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Looking at your skills, I would recommend a Raven for now, and a Raven Navy Issue after you get some isk. If you work on your laser skills, a Nightmare would be a nice higher end ship if you continue to train Cladari and Amarr BS skills. If you want to work toward a long term goal, I would recommend a Paladin. |
Aya Silverye
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.14 14:57:51 -
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@Estella Osoka and Daerrol - Thank you...I am setting the Nightmare as my next goal and Paladin as a long term goal. Can you post some fits for the ships you recommended? like Nightmare, Paladin, Oracle, Stabber Fleet Issue and Raven? It would greatly help me in setting a baseline or atleast get an idea of what to fit for what.
Battleclinic and other fitting sites have fits from 2008 mixed in as well so most are not relevant to the current day EVE combat. |
Daerrol
Furtherance.
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Posted - 2015.04.14 20:22:01 -
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Aya Silverye wrote:@Estella Osoka and Daerrol - Thank you I just checked out those ships and a lot of forums and topics. I feel that for the price range I am seeing - hull about 500 mill and total cost less than 900mill - the best L4 mission ships/anomaly runners are Nightmare (only against Blood and Sansha) or Rattlesnake (missiles/drones/massive tank to prevent ganking in mission/null sec).
Though I have one last question - are my drone skills enough to use a drone boat for L4 missions or Null sec anomaly hunting? Rattlesnake is not a -great- blitzer. Mostly I blitz in my Executioner and a cruiser. ABC (oracle) hull. Blitzing usually refers to missions you can do in a matter of minutes, rattlesnake esp. is more of a bounty-collection ship (IE: Warp in, kill all the rats.) When I blitz I mission I try to shoot as few times as possible ;)
Edit: This is what Mission Blitzing looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OErbAASTZw8 |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.14 20:42:39 -
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Aya Silverye wrote:@Estella Osoka and Daerrol - Thank you I just checked out those ships and a lot of forums and topics. I feel that for the price range I am seeing - hull about 500 mill and total cost less than 900mill - the best L4 mission ships/anomaly runners are Nightmare (only against Blood and Sansha) or Rattlesnake (missiles/drones/massive tank to prevent ganking in mission/null sec).
Though I have one last question - are my drone skills enough to use a drone boat for L4 missions or Null sec anomaly hunting?
They aren't abysmal, but for a Rattlesnake your drone skills really won't shine until you can use T2 sentries and have Gallente BS skill to at least 4. |
Aya Silverye
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.14 22:42:09 -
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@ Daerrol Mmmm...okay I thought bltizing and quickly killing all bounties was the same. Thanks for the heads up now I know what I want. I want to clear out all the bounties as quickly as possible for isk. Though my drone skills are not yet at that high T2 level.
@ Estella Osoka - thanks for the heads up - I have been meaning to get that sentry to T2 but for a long time but one thing after another keeps popping up lol...I have decided I wills start full scale drone training...get all my relevant skills to V asap. Going to train in using drones with a drone cruiser/BC...do you have any suggestion for that? need a training drone boat. |
Aplysia Vejun
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.15 09:15:14 -
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BC / cruiser and drones: this would be gallente ships. Vexor, navy vexor or ishtar with cruiser V. |
Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
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Posted - 2015.04.15 09:54:24 -
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Aya Silverye wrote:Rattlesnake (missiles/drones/massive tank to prevent ganking in mission/null sec).
they dont really prevent ganking, a fleet of blops will tear anything apart in nullsec but if you have been doing it already pretty safe then you may be ok for a while, have you tried a tengu? being able to fit covops and interdiction nullifier will help for moveing through null systems and they are a little safer than faction bs's
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Selune Starlight
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.15 10:04:35 -
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Aya Silverye
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.15 10:06:06 -
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@Aplysia Vejun : Gallente ships are the best droneboats but is it okay to use them without Hybrid weapon skills? Thats the only thing I am worried about. Also, is it possible to get a fit for the Vexor and Ishtar? (especially Ishtar). I have heard everyone praising this little cruiser very much in-game and in the forums so I am pretty curious about it.
@Lan Wang : True - a fleet of gankers can kill anything big but they also trip the Intel channels like a midday streaker at Times Square :) so we all dock up before they come within 3 jumps. Usually the ones that are dangerous and I am really worried about are those skilled lone wolf players who calmly infiltrate any space and blow stuff up quickly. I have lost quite a bit of ships to these people. So a rattlesnake puts me at ease in that regard.
I do want a Tengu but I am still skilling up and earning ISK for it. It's quite expensive with all the fits and most of all - it requires quite a bit of skill to fly. I borrowed and flew one before - it was really hard to prevent damage while inflicting maximum dmg on the enemy. |
Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
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Posted - 2015.04.15 10:14:07 -
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i use my tengu for most things and take very little damage, they can be t2 fit with only a a-type repper being the expensive mod, bringing the price to much lower than a rattlesnake fitted, with a tengu the speed is the tank so make sure its afterburner fit, good fun though
ishtar is also fine ship, no guns required (highs have neuts incase or pesky, t2 or faction sentries and they work fine, i used one in null for a while doing serpentis missions till i was bubble ganked by the locals (not really an expensive loss tbh but i dont fly blingy stuff in nullsec)
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Aya Silverye
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.15 12:24:19 -
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@ Lan Wang - Tengu with HAM's is atleast 50 days away from me. I am curious to see how the new HAM Tengu performs.
As for the Ishtar - I don't think I will use it since it requires me to train Gallente which I haven't done except for the Gallente BC's. Going to try either the Vexor or the Prophecy from Amarr.
Regarding less populated missioning systems I have been searching and scouting the locations for a while but no luck...almost all L4's agent and missions systems are fully populated - so trying for minor NPC corps now. Since they have out of the way bases, hopefully it will have fewer players.
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.15 14:26:00 -
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I personally don't use expensive ships for nullsec mission running. Dominix works fine, is cheap, and with good drone skills gets nice dps. |
Aya Silverye
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.15 14:29:13 -
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@Estella Same here I primarily use basic T1 ships for null sec. The ships and fittings I am asking about here are for hi-sec L4 mission running. |
GordonO
Evil Guinea Pigs
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Posted - 2015.04.17 01:46:31 -
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User a nighmare to run lvl4's. If you don't have the isk use a raven, on navy raven or navy scorp. You can use it in null also, just depends where you are and if you hold sov and what anoms you plan on running.
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Duke Karas
P47
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Posted - 2015.04.17 04:02:36 -
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Aya Silverye wrote:@Estella Same here I primarily use basic T1 ships for null sec. The ships and fittings I am asking about here are for hi-sec L4 mission running.
Maybe try a Prophecy. Amarr drone BC
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2015.04.17 06:06:40 -
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tengu is super boring imo, and a pita to fly. Heavy missiles do meh dps, and HAMS have short range and cycle super fast.
looks like you can use t2 large lasers, so I'd go with the nightmare. That deals very well with most missions in caldari/amarr space. and probably keep a secondary ship around for the few missions where damage mismatch is a pita, looks like you can raven somewhat decently, although with BS3 I'd much prefer a navy raven.
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Aya Silverye
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.17 07:44:46 -
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@GordonO - Initially I also want to progress in that order - T1 ships (200 million hulls) to Navy variants (500 million hulls) to Pirate Ships (1bil+). But with all the new changes and massive drop in Pirate BS price (all of them are around 500 mill now and Rattlesnake is only 350 mil) I thought I should just skip the Navy variations and get Pirate Ships since they have better bonuses and abilities.
For now I am looking at a fully fit Rattlesnake at 550 mil as a start. It's has good dps, damage switching ability and great tank so that I don't lose my ship due to a mistake. Going to earn for a Nightmare from there on. Playing purely with missiles is boring.
@Duke Karas - Prophecy is good. I am using one now to get a hang of using Drone boats in battle. But my Drone skills are still not at that peak level - have to get Sentry and many support skills to V which will take atleast another 2-3 months. So only using it for L3's now. But like you suggested I will move it to L4 commissioning when I am fully trained.
@Chainsaw Plankton - Like you said, I am starting with a fully fitted Rattlesnake and will get a Nightmare later on. My T3 skills are also in queque and so the Tengu is not in my immediate purchase list.
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Duke Karas
P47
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Posted - 2015.04.17 17:09:50 -
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You could move to an Armageddon for L4s |
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Aya Silverye
Atlantis Kingdom ArK Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.17 17:45:05 -
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@Duke Karas - Never realized that Armageddon was a missile boat - i thought it was also a typical laser boat like the Apoc and Abaddon. Just checked it now lol. Can't believe CCP completely changed a ship from laser to missile. Thanks for the heads up. I am going to see if any other race ship got changed as well.
By the way - do you have any fits for this new missile Armageddon? |
Jonn Duune
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve WormHole Occupation and Resource Exploitation
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Posted - 2015.04.19 15:06:20 -
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I know marauders are a long way off, but you can also look at a golem eventually, with cruises you can hit out past 200km for decent dps, or torps you can blap stuff within 40-50km. and with the MJD, you can move yourself around decently quick without burning cap for a MWD |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2015.04.19 17:40:25 -
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Aya Silverye wrote:@Duke Karas - Never realized that Armageddon was a missile boat - i thought it was also a typical laser boat like the Apoc and Abaddon. Just checked it now lol. Can't believe CCP completely changed a ship from laser to missile. Thanks for the heads up. I am going to see if any other race ship got changed as well.
By the way - do you have any fits for this new missile Armageddon?
more of a drone boat that can use missiles or guns. I'd mostly fit for drones and treat the missiles as a bonus.
as for the golem comment: from what I remember at 40-50km you are doing more damage with cruise. Just looked in EFT and with 1x speed, 1x flight time rigs + bastion looks like faction torps hit just over 50km. Javs hit out to about 80, but do less damage than cruise. then there are all the application issues you get with torps. So I'd say torps are viable in many missions, but in general I'd probably lean to cruise.
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Aya Silverye
Atlantis Kingdom ArK Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.19 19:43:17 -
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@John Duune - It has great DPS and will make life easy but sadly gankers population seems to have risen greatly. Anything flown by a PvE'er which costs around 900-1000mil is shot down immediately. So I am forced to keep my ships cheap enough that it's not worth their effort. In that regard, the reduction of Pirate Faction BS is a serious blessing.
Thats why I am searching really hard for good fits that cost less than 800mil total. Also, cruise missiles seem to do more DPS and damage application than torps. Had my friend fit both types and run Sansha Forsaken Hub. Cruises are better for PvE. Torps have been nerfed badly.
@Chainsaw Plankton - Ah thats sad - I thought we finally had a Missile/armor ship. Turns out it's more like a rattlesnake. I am starting to realize that regardless of ship/weapons platform - Drones are the most important for PvE. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.26 05:02:45 -
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If you want to blitz missions then there are a few golden rules.
The mach is king, nothing will beat it.
While you can blitz with missiles and drones turret boats will be far better.
If you want to stick to an amarr ship then the Paladin or Nightmare are the ones to aim for long term. Short tem the Apoc is a solid boat, trick to using it is to blap the frigates first with use pulse lasers or fit a LMJD and go with beams and range.
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Aya Silverye
Atlantis Kingdom
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Posted - 2015.04.26 07:54:03 -
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@ baltec1 - hmm....I am currently trying out a Artycane in missions and it's okay. Skilling up for a Nightmare and going to try it out later. Thank you for the advice. |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.26 14:14:52 -
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Aya Silverye wrote:@ baltec1 - hmm....I am currently trying out a Artycane in missions and it's okay. Skilling up for a Nightmare and going to try it out later. Thank you for the advice. Paladin dps manages to match nightmare dps if you take marauder to V (lol) but even at IV at least you get better range tankiness and ewar immunity which is priceless. |
Aya Silverye
Atlantis Kingdom Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.27 18:16:33 -
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@Hakaari Inkuran True - better tank and ewar immunity but the price tag is too high for me - not to mention the skilling time. A fully fit Nightmare which can be used for anom/incursion is only about 900 mil total compared to atleast 1 billion for marauder hulls. I don't want to fly something I can't afford to lose. |
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