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Jelan
Caldari Fusion Enterprises Ltd
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Posted - 2006.10.29 10:12:00 -
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A massive load of macro'ers in hurt ice mining right now! See us at www.fusion-enterprises.co.uk |
Morphed Override
Brotherhood in Light
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Posted - 2006.10.29 10:14:00 -
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well i suggest you use the petition function :)
use the exploit way and tell their names, their roles (ie. miner, hauler) and what ships.
Thats what my corp normally do, before going ore thieving and hope we get kill rights >:)
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.10.29 10:15:00 -
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I hope you petitioned them.
And we do notneed a new thread everytime people spot macroers. The forum would be full of macroer sightings.
Petition and let the GM's investigate. Don't expect a response or an instant ban on them because they have to investigate, when they have done with all the other investigations they have right now.
In the mean time feel free to bump them around and make life difficult for them or break their macro. ------
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Soulita
Gallente Inner Core
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Posted - 2006.10.29 11:27:00 -
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Join the 'MACROINTEL' channel in game to report sightings like that. Macrohunters hang out there.
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Adoro
adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.29 11:33:00 -
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Make a alt in a destroyer and suicide gank em --------
Bailian Moxtain:
Quote:
Who needs pride when there's isk to be made
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phillip duncan
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2006.10.29 13:20:00 -
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another tactic is get them to use offencive laugage again you (babel fish web translation is your friend) then you cna patition them under harresment for there comments. They normally start to post insulse after you relocate there ore/ice to your hanger a few times.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari Mintaka Mining Inc
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Posted - 2006.10.29 18:41:00 -
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We simply orbit their retrievers waiting for the drop. Also state in local that they will not make their quota as you intend to thieve and bump. They will relocate.
Some have said that you need to file a petition first, or you could be misconstrued to be a harrasser.
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Galk
Gallente Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.10.29 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: phillip duncan another tactic is get them to use offencive laugage again you (babel fish web translation is your friend) then you cna patition them under harresment for there comments. They normally start to post insulse after you relocate there ore/ice to your hanger a few times.
You mean like back in my old school days... the bullies get away with making peoples lifes a missery... soon as the victim gets upset.. he appears to be the aggressor when boiled to a point...
Tbh i despise people that do that, it brings back memories of sometimes upseting time in my life.
Seriously, i know what your going to say, it's only a game.. right.
Thats not youre motive though is it, the people that do that of the above make me sick inside.... it's disgusting.
Sadly like the teachers, the gm's will fall for it... despite the fact they can see the obvious provocation.... it won't matter, they have been painted black allready ______
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Big Al
Another Lame Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.29 19:38:00 -
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Edited by: Big Al on 29/10/2006 19:38:43
Originally by: Galk
Sadly like the teachers, the gm's will fall for it... despite the fact they can see the obvious provocation.... it won't matter, they have been painted black allready
It's the only way to get anything done, GMs don't care - even if they have admitted OPENLY to using macros and selling isk ("we'll look into it"). They have shown they are unwilling to ban obvious isk farmers there is only one alternative currently viable solution - inflict enough damage so it's no longer profitable for them to remain in the game.
I know it may seem like a trivial amount to a lot of people, but I've killed 2b worth of macro/farmer mackinaws in the past couple weeks, they IMMEDIATELY buy new ships are and out mining again. Rarely do you see any smack or anything at all in local. If there is any it's in those chinese characters interlaced with some nice 4 letter words in english. I've been fortunate for the last 11 kills or so, some of them got stuck in a player corp and apparently can't figure out how to leave. Suiciding macros really lays a hurt on your sec status afterall.
If everyone who gave a damn about the farmers (especially ice farmers) who has a sec status over 5 went out and suicided ONE smartbombing battleship on a group of 4 miners maybe you would see some serious pain being inflicted.
Since most people (I do love the few exceptions with all my heart) are unwilling to do this, and CCP is unwilling to ban this cashcow that doesn't crash nodes I guess they will just go on selling isk and causing massive inflation.
The solution?
Remove high quality high sec lvl 4 agents (plenty of mission farmers now, this will of course upset the other people who run high sec missions, but it really does need a nerf - before you cry about this let me say that I was a high sec mission runner, and I pulled out about 20b in 4 months) Remove high sec ores of a better quality than scordite Remove high sec ice fields Buff low sec ore Buff low sec rats (increases the incentive to for players to rat, and makes it harder to afk mine via automated script)
These changes will make it easier for players who wish to engage in mining to make money while crippling the earning potential of macros. Most likely what would happen is they would double the number of accounts mining veld/scordite in empire (really this won't hurt anyone as mining veld is a necessity for the game and boring as hell). CCP makes more money with more active accounts, everyone wins.
and finally...
STOP BUYING ISK OFF EBAY.
ok, so that's not going to happen, but I can dream can't I?
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.10.29 19:40:00 -
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big al is just another witch hunter, thank god the gms dont buy into this bull****
This corp is recruiting.
Billboard Project |
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Big Al
Another Lame Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.29 19:48:00 -
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Let me clarify, I don't petition myself, even when they are swearing at me in local (and honestly profanity in local doesn't deserve any kind of account action imo).
Feel free to continue to let the farm unabated though, enjoy your 400m hacs.
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.10.29 19:52:00 -
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Edited by: Samirol on 29/10/2006 19:51:56 you cant ban all people that look like macros because they might be farmers. Unless you have complete and total conclusive evidence that they are selling isk on ebay, then going on a witch hunt to get them all is ridiculous.
And what do farmers have to do with high priced HACs anyway? that is based off of supply and demand.
This corp is recruiting.
Billboard Project |
Epidemis
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Posted - 2006.10.29 20:00:00 -
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The price people willing to pay (demand) is based on the ease and amount of ISK they have.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.10.29 20:04:00 -
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i think ppl have started posting batches of names here as petitions of macroers generally go unnoticed and more importantly unreacted
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Big Al
Another Lame Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.29 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Samirol Edited by: Samirol on 29/10/2006 19:51:56 you cant ban all people that look like macros because they might be farmers. Unless you have complete and total conclusive evidence that they are selling isk on ebay, then going on a witch hunt to get them all is ridiculous.
Which is why I offered my solution to cripple their earning potential while getting more tar.. happy people into low sec. It's easy enough to conclusively proove that these people are breaking the EULA, in the belts 23/7 - still no action will be taken. I suppose they can't go banning people who only need 1hr of sleep though.
Originally by: Samirol
And what do farmers have to do with high priced HACs anyway? that is based off of supply and demand.
The mission farmers create a larger pool of isk in the economy that goes to ebay for straight cash, this isk then floods the economy causing rampant inflation. The plex exploits mangnified this to a certain extent, but a large amount of the isk generated from those came in the form of item sales - ie it wasn't fresh isk coming into the game.
Like you said, it is an issue of supply and demand, right now there is a glut of isk - 3 months ago I believe it was on ebay for around 180 bucks for 1b. Looking now it's down to about 100 for a 1b.
Of course there are other factors too, GTC sales for isk, selling the isk on ebay for a profit, buying more GTCs - once again at least that isn't isk purely created for sale.
In the end I guess it really doesn't matter too much to me, I have everything I could want in this game.
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phillip duncan
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2006.10.29 20:19:00 -
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You mean like back in my old school days... the bullies get away with making peoples lifes a missery... soon as the victim gets upset.. he appears to be the aggressor when boiled to a point...
Tbh i despise people that do that, it brings back memories of sometimes upseting time in my life.
Seriously, i know what your going to say, it's only a game.. right.
Thats not youre motive though is it, the people that do that of the above make me sick inside.... it's disgusting.
Sadly like the teachers, the gm's will fall for it... despite the fact they can see the obvious provocation.... it won't matter, they have been painted black allready
I don't see that big a problem with reporting them for the laugange, it was not the objective but he started the chat and I was board. I had already report them last month for marco use so stealing ore was perfectly legal, I even explained the can the can flagging rules to him as well as discusing Eve-china (boss would not let him play). I told him that if he left the system I would not follow as I was only intrested in protecting the system I was mining in. Other then offering my money he would take no action.
I had been chatting to him on the privite chat about the fact he was an isk farmer, he was complaining about the low rate of pay his boss was paying him. I was stealing from one account while while chatting to a different one. I sent over a 2 hour sitting next to the same account stealing each jet can, one launch every 3 minutes even when I left there existing cans in place. I was only stealing form one of his 5 mining accounts (all created with in a 15 minute time frame).
Normally he started swearing then I beet his hauler to a load, even manged to empty a can while he was tractoring it. I even reminded him that the TOS were and that if he continued swearing I would report him. I explain to him while I was stealing his ore and did not insult him at all. I was nmore intrested in his option of eve and how his boss operated, other then the insults we had a nice chat about eve. I also informed the GM why I was stealing ore, which is legal once you have patitioned them. This is that I did to him last month. he striped all the belts out of the system so there was almost no ore left.
Then you steal there ore you normally get a get a group of chinese characters, usely related obsense if you translate it. I also explained to the GM that picked up the patiton that I was stealing his ore and that I had patitioned him seperately, I exchanged several notes with the GM about that had happened and he had access to the full chat and the logs so he could see that I was doing in that system.
I may have worded my prevous statement badly, but if they break the TOS on laugage that is offencive you are suposed to report the account. Eve is PVP and ore thief is allowed, I told him that he need to do to get me to stop which was fairly reasonable given he was planning to more on anywhy after stripping the whole system.
Are you saying that we should let them break the rules of the game by swearing just because they are a isk farmer?
Other then stealing there ore or beaking the EULA how are we supposed to protect the systems we operate in?
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phillip duncan
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2006.10.29 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Big Al
Which is why I offered my solution to cripple their earning potential while getting more tar.. happy people into low sec. It's easy enough to conclusively proove that these people are breaking the EULA, in the belts 23/7 - still no action will be taken. I suppose they can't go banning people who only need 1hr of sleep though.
how would you deal with the cloaking macro'ed ravens that rat in 0.0? as soon as someone else enters the system they safespot and cloak. If the person stay for any length of time they log. There has been several diffrent reported sightings of them over the last few months.
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Big Al
Another Lame Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.29 20:27:00 -
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Edited by: Big Al on 29/10/2006 20:30:29
Originally by: phillip duncan
how would you deal with the cloaking macro'ed ravens that rat in 0.0? as soon as someone else enters the system they safespot and cloak. If the person stay for any length of time they log. There has been several diffrent reported sightings of them over the last few months.
If they safespot immediately then there is nothing you can do about this, however they cannot to this with impunity as they can with missions in empire. Any decent drops would still need to make it to a station to be sold. Going solely on bounty earnings missions are many times more profitable.
Basically there is nothing you can do to an empire mission runner in an NPC corp unless they have smartbombs equipped, and good luck scanning down a deadspace gate of that particular ship in a busy mission hub.
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Galk
Gallente Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.10.29 20:50:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 29/10/2006 20:51:04
Originally by: phillip duncan
Are you saying that we should let them break the rules of the game by swearing just because they are a isk farmer?
Other then stealing there ore or beaking the EULA how are we supposed to protect the systems we operate in?
The one and only action you're responsible for is reporting a suspected macro user.
Nothing more.
You protect nothing, and given your described manner on how you deal with things, thank **** for that.
Your words say it all, youre nothing but a manipulative bully.
As i said before, youre not doing this out of any sence of roleplaying within the game boundary (pvp/ore theft) youre doing it purely to harrass people with prerogative statement in an attempt to get them to break the tos/eula.
I know exactly how easily led the gm's are in eve, it's so sad they fall for people such as yourself. ______
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.10.30 11:24:00 -
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crippling high sec wont make high sec people move to low sec unforutunately...
This corp is recruiting.
Billboard Project |
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JabJabVVV
Total Mayhem. Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.30 12:10:00 -
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Is it just me that sees no problem with empire macro miners? If you want to avoid them then just join a decent corp and move to 0.0. You're free to mine high end ores or shoot high end rats for a shed load of profit and the empire macro miners mean you get your ice and tritanium dirt cheap meaning you don't have to mine vedlspar or ice (probably the two most tedious activities in Eve) and that can only be a good thing as far as I'm concerned. So why not just leave the macroers alone? Personally I like being able to run my POS's for relatively little money and being able to replace my ship losses for a reasonable cost. If people are too unimaginative to be able to get their isk any other way than buying it then that is their loss as far as I'm concerned but in the mean time they help keep my (and everyone else's) costs down by keeping the macro miners going as well as putting more money into the game through the macro miners subs.
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Golden Lady
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: JabJabVVV Is it just me that sees no problem with empire macro miners?
Uhm...they r cheating, and violating the EULA....Can't see WHY u don't see that as a problem...And they destroy the market value for minerals for miners...
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phillip duncan
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2006.10.30 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Galk Edited by: Galk on 29/10/2006 20:51:04
Your words say it all, youre nothing but a manipulative bully.
As i said before, youre not doing this out of any sence of roleplaying within the game boundary (pvp/ore theft) youre doing it purely to harrass people with prerogative statement in an attempt to get them to break the tos/eula.
I know exactly how easily led the gm's are in eve, it's so sad they fall for people such as yourself.
I never said I was role playing, part of this game is competing for resources. I have no problem with sharing the system with other players. The ore was of little worth to me, I could have mined the same amount in 30 minutes that I stole from him, I was in the middle of a mining op then all his accounts entered system. I regulaly see these accounts stripping other systems at all hours of the day form down time to 1am and from 6am to 7am (they are on my "freinds" list that I tend to check then I log in).
As for getting him to swear, if I want him to, why did I warn him that he was breaking the TOS and only report him after he did it again? Also remember he started the privite chat not me.
Normal swearing would not have been reported but his statements were obscene and sexually explicite. This breaks section 2 of the TOS.
As I said in the second post, my first one was badly worded and I admitted that.
May I ask how much mining you do in empire?
Also that "prerogative statement" did I use to get him to break the TOS?
He asked me that it would take for me to stop stealing from one of his accounts and I told him. As I had already had this coeversation with "him" a month eariler (were "he" swear but did not use obscence laugange, so was onlt reported as a suspeced isk farmer and could speak very good English, his spelling was better then mine) I did not see this as prerogative.
I had nothing against him personally otherwise I would not have chatted to him, I just dislike his job.
As for the GM's being easly led, were have I tried to deceive them? I stated I had patitioned was stealing the guys ore and he could see the full chat session. I have checked since reporting and he has not been banned yet (currently logged in), so if CCP are going to take action it will after its investigated.
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