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Amarrchecko
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.16 18:28:55 -
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I'm not too up on the changes that have taken place in Eve over the last 3+ years. Pretty frequently I see mention, usually on the forums but sometimes ingame, of players who make boatloads of isk doing different activities. People who say they make hundreds of millions of isk per hour with 1-3 accounts running escalations or station trading or in some manufacturing or PI niche, or in a few other activities.
How much truth is there to these claims? What percentage of Eve players really make that much isk that quickly?
Personally I run 5 accounts in small mining ops that I am the only real player involved in, and I generally enjoy doing so because it lets me play when I want to for how long I want to with the amount of effort that I feel like putting into the game during that time. While actively mining, my handful of characters (who have like 4-5 months of skill training each) can make perhaps 60 million isk per hour in high sec, but I'm not "actively mining" all the time since there's some logistics to do and I spend some of my play time working on other things ingame that don't make me much (or any) isk.
Despite generally enjoying what I do, it bums me out a little when I think that what I'm working towards, amassing wealth, is being done so much better by others. Please spare me the "well play smarter then" comments though, because I know that if I have the will, there are ways to do "better" for myself. I'm just curious how many people really are out there generating that kind of wealth compared to how many people are just running level 4s solo or mining somewhere or another with a single account or dabbling in station trading or roaming around lowsec trying to ransom random people, and more likely making just a bit more isk than they need to get by rather than stockpiling isk and other assets. |
DaReaper
Net 7
1943
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Posted - 2015.04.16 18:30:20 -
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lots of truth.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2197
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Posted - 2015.04.16 18:33:41 -
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Hm, that might be a longer one.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
Ron Gilbert made me cry.
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Paranoid Loyd
4736
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Posted - 2015.04.16 18:34:38 -
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The key is to get/take other people's isk/assets, not farming them out of the game.
If you let you RL morals get in the way, the path of least resistance for this is station trading.
If you understand this is a game and doing what is considered "bad" in RL is not bad in game, the path of least resistance will be scamming.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
443
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Posted - 2015.04.16 18:39:32 -
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Speaking from experience, yes you can make hundred of millions of ISK an hour. Depending on how you try and do that however, you may come to hate the game itself.
Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
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Seven Koskanaiken
Positive Failure Black Legion.
1476
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Posted - 2015.04.16 18:51:27 -
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It's possible but I'd say few are doing it. Either because they don't know, don't want to, or can't be bothered. The game is full of poors that have a few bil or "sell a plex when they need to", because selling plex allows them more free time to cure cancer or create great artwork, or something. |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2197
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Posted - 2015.04.16 18:53:56 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:It's possible but I'd say few are doing it. Either because they don't know, don't want to, or can't be bothered. The game is full of poors that have a few bil or "sell a plex when they need to", because selling plex allows them more free time to cure cancer or create great artwork, or something. ... cure cancer ... create great artwork ... something ...
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Daerrol
Furtherance.
105
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Posted - 2015.04.16 18:54:42 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:It's possible but I'd say few are doing it. Either because they don't know, don't want to, or can't be bothered. The game is full of poors that have a few bil or "sell a plex when they need to", because selling plex allows them more free time to cure cancer or create great artwork, or something. Some of us just aren't poor IRL cause we have jobs that make some good cash. |
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
4330
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Posted - 2015.04.16 18:54:54 -
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The trick is to find the right balance for yourself between 'Making lots of Isk' and 'Making lots of fun'. Some players are really having fun while going all the way and through a lot of effort to find the optimum in (insert activity here) for their maximum Isk/hour ratio, while others are equally having as much fun doing something entirely different while always on the edge of bankruptcy.
The tipping point is different for everyone and for you to find out were yours lies. The thing is, making/having fun should always be on top of the list, above making Isk.
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Paranoid Loyd
4741
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Posted - 2015.04.16 19:03:35 -
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Daerrol wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:It's possible but I'd say few are doing it. Either because they don't know, don't want to, or can't be bothered. The game is full of poors that have a few bil or "sell a plex when they need to", because selling plex allows them more free time to cure cancer or create great artwork, or something. Some of us just aren't poor IRL cause we have jobs that make some good cash. To each his own but I make plenty of RL money and I would never buy a PLEX, then again I make plenty of isk in game so it's not even a consideration.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10751
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Posted - 2015.04.16 19:06:19 -
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Amarrchecko wrote:I'm not too up on the changes that have taken place in Eve over the last 3+ years. Pretty frequently I see mention, usually on the forums but sometimes ingame, of players who make boatloads of isk doing different activities. People who say they make hundreds of millions of isk per hour with 1-3 accounts running escalations or station trading or in some manufacturing or PI niche, or in a few other activities.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=410322
Quote: How much truth is there to these claims? What percentage of Eve players really make that much isk that quickly?
Some times people exxagerate, intnetionally or based on fault memories. I was in an incursion fleet a coupel weeks ago when a guy clamed he made 7 billion isk per day "in null sec doing anomalies and their escalations 4 years ago" lol, I had to bite my tongue, 7 bil isn't theoretically impossible, but it 4 years ago it would have required getting like 3 10/10s in a day and all of them dropping the rarest and thus most expensive loot. Hell it highly improbable that this has happened more than once or twice in the entire lifespan of the game lol.
As for how many people do what, that's not just unknowable by us with access to CCPs data bases, it's irrelevant. It doesn't change your personal facts. CCP recently said that they were aware of carriers speed blitzing lvl 5 s for insane amounts of isk , but they weren't concerned because there wasn't a lot of people doing it. I think they are wrong, but they are the DEVs not me.
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Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
52
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Posted - 2015.04.16 19:07:11 -
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Amarrchecko wrote:...stuff...
Well first off, you've chosen the least paying trade in the game. Not sure if there's anything out there paying less than mining. Second, you've chosen a trade that doesn't seem to scale well.
Now for your question, if I measure my isk/hour based on how long I'm logged in and doing my isk making activities, then I guess I'm around 150-300 m/hour. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1692
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Posted - 2015.04.16 19:09:55 -
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It's also important to know that a lot of "I make X isk in Y hours" have at least soft caps that would start being lower and lower if more people actually joined on that bandwagon of ISK making.
If many more people were trading, the margins would go down and with it the profits. If many more people were ratting, lesser anoms would ahve to be cleared for lesser income. If many more people were running missions, the LP store items would overflow the market. More people mining, less isk/m3. More people running incursion, not enough sites to run HQ fleet at peak efficiency or contest with potential 0 isk sites.
It basicly applies to everything not hard capped in the game. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10751
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Posted - 2015.04.16 19:10:34 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Daerrol wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:It's possible but I'd say few are doing it. Either because they don't know, don't want to, or can't be bothered. The game is full of poors that have a few bil or "sell a plex when they need to", because selling plex allows them more free time to cure cancer or create great artwork, or something. Some of us just aren't poor IRL cause we have jobs that make some good cash. To each his own but I make plenty of RL money and I would never buy a PLEX, then again I make plenty of isk in game so it's not even a consideration.
+1
I know people in game who do buy plex. They are usually way to impatient to figure out ways to make isk (and want what they think of as 'fun' right away), very bad at making isk, or find all of the isk making things to be boring. That's ok, to each their own, what honestly bugs me is that the same kinds of people tend to look down on others for using isk to play the game 'for free', which is stupid because we aren't the ones shoveling actual money at a video game that lets you play it for free lol.
Whales in F2P games are the exact same way personality wise. |
Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
52
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Posted - 2015.04.16 19:10:47 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Daerrol wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:It's possible but I'd say few are doing it. Either because they don't know, don't want to, or can't be bothered. The game is full of poors that have a few bil or "sell a plex when they need to", because selling plex allows them more free time to cure cancer or create great artwork, or something. Some of us just aren't poor IRL cause we have jobs that make some good cash. To each his own but I make plenty of RL money and I would never buy a PLEX, then again I make plenty of isk in game so it's not even a consideration.
Same.. Mainly I like the challenge of making my ISK ingame only, it's part of my "fun" :) |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2199
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Posted - 2015.04.16 19:11:36 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Daerrol wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:It's possible but I'd say few are doing it. Either because they don't know, don't want to, or can't be bothered. The game is full of poors that have a few bil or "sell a plex when they need to", because selling plex allows them more free time to cure cancer or create great artwork, or something. Some of us just aren't poor IRL cause we have jobs that make some good cash. To each his own but I make plenty of RL money and I would never buy a PLEX, then again I make plenty of isk in game so it's not even a consideration. The combination of being stoned and being able to buy PLEX for ISK is the most awesome ... ... and most dangerous ... ... combination I ever had the pleasure of enjoying in any game whatsoever.
Instead of touching my wallet for SPONTANEOUSBRILLIANTIDEA ... ... I just get me a PLEX and use that money.
This way I can't possibly regret it later on.
Like, when I was so damn ******* high I thought it's a MARVELOUSLY BRILLIANT IDEA to buy ... ... a huge part of all the catalysts available ... ... in The Forge ... ... during Burn Jita.
I think I still have them ..........................
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1692
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Posted - 2015.04.16 19:14:30 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Daerrol wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:It's possible but I'd say few are doing it. Either because they don't know, don't want to, or can't be bothered. The game is full of poors that have a few bil or "sell a plex when they need to", because selling plex allows them more free time to cure cancer or create great artwork, or something. Some of us just aren't poor IRL cause we have jobs that make some good cash. To each his own but I make plenty of RL money and I would never buy a PLEX, then again I make plenty of isk in game so it's not even a consideration. The combination of being stoned and being able to buy PLEX for ISK is the most awesome ... ... and most dangerous ... ... combination I ever had the pleasure of enjoying in any game whatsoever. Instead of touching my wallet for SPONTANEOUSBRILLIANTIDEA ... ... I just get me a PLEX and use that money. This way I can't possibly regret it later on. Like, when I was so damn ******* high I thought it's a MARVELOUSLY BRILLIANT IDEA to buy ... ... a huge part of all the catalysts available ... ... in The Forge ... ... during Burn Jita. I think I still have them ..........................
Being poor in game and not willing to dump more than base sub money on the game prevent me from doing such thing. But then again, some people could consider this as bad as I will probably never know what it feels like to do such things.
Oh well... |
Marsha Mallow
2076
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Posted - 2015.04.16 19:18:58 -
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Amarrchecko wrote:I'm not too up on the changes that have taken place in Eve over the last 3+ years. Pretty frequently I see mention, usually on the forums but sometimes ingame, of players who make boatloads of isk doing different activities. People who say they make hundreds of millions of isk per hour with 1-3 accounts running escalations or station trading or in some manufacturing or PI niche, or in a few other activities.
How much truth is there to these claims? What percentage of Eve players really make that much isk that quickly? I hear this a lot too. The people making seriously massive amounts of ISK are likely to be posters on Market Discussions or don't comment on forums at all. They are not ratters or miners (although they may have started as one).
The people you are talking about who babble on about ISK/ph are 'elite farmers' who like to show off to validate the fact that they play 100s of hours a week grinding as a second job. Fair play to them for learning the mechanics of whatever niche they are in, some of the best PVPers are also grinders in some form. Some do it because they enjoy the PVE side too, which is fine. But they're really only talking about a NAV (Net Asset Value) of <100b, which in EvE terms is lower middle class. It's also a massive time sink which burns people out and can't be sustained without seriously impacting your other interests ingame or your RL.
Amarrchecko wrote:Personally I run 5 accounts in small mining ops that I am the only real player involved in, and I generally enjoy doing so because it lets me play when I want to for how long I want to with the amount of effort that I feel like putting into the game during that time. This is what counts. It's a competitive environment, and you can pump out ISK as a hobby to see how fast you can reach personal targets (or to beat someone else) but it is always about how much you enjoy the activity. The trick is to learn how to manage passive income streams, and how to walk away from projects when they stop being entertaining and turn into a hassle. 'ISK efficiency' is often referred to in terms of battles, but 'time efficiency' is the key to large scale ISK making.
Amarrchecko wrote:Despite generally enjoying what I do, it bums me out a little when I think that what I'm working towards, amassing wealth, is being done so much better by others. Please spare me the "well play smarter then" comments though, because I know that if I have the will, there are ways to do "better" for myself. I'm just curious how many people really are out there generating that kind of wealth compared to how many people are just running level 4s solo or mining somewhere or another with a single account or dabbling in station trading or roaming around lowsec trying to ransom random people, and more likely making just a bit more isk than they need to get by rather than stockpiling isk and other assets. See the 'play smarter' remarks as a challenge and try rise to it rather than a put down
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Amarrchecko
Hedion University Amarr Empire
41
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Posted - 2015.04.16 19:35:12 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:But they're really only talking about a NAV (Net Asset Value) of <100b, which in EvE terms is lower middle class.
You think the majority of Eve players own more than 100 billion in assets? Or do you not have the same definition of "lower middle class" as I do?
It seems like a lot of you are reading into my post too much. I really am not too interested in changing what I do, hearing about how mining is a profession for peasants, or really receiving any kind of advice at all, since I didn't try to solicit any. I'm just wondering what approximate percentage of people actually make 200m+ per hour of active playtime.
I do appreciate the posts, though. |
Amarrchecko
Hedion University Amarr Empire
41
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Posted - 2015.04.16 19:37:10 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:You are doing it wrong.
This, especially, annoyed me.
There's only one "wrong" way to play a game, and as I stated repeatedly in my OP, I have fun playing Eve the way I play Eve. So... no. I'm not doing anything wrong. |
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Marsha Mallow
2076
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Posted - 2015.04.16 19:38:21 -
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Amarrchecko wrote:You think the majority of Eve players own more than 100 billion in assets? Or do you not have the same definition of "lower middle class" as I do? No. Long term players with a brain probably do in assets and wallet, plus their characters which should always be counted.
Amarrchecko wrote:It seems like a lot of you are reading into my post too much. I really am not too interested in changing what I do, hearing about how mining is a profession for peasants, or really receiving any kind of advice at all, since I didn't try to solicit any. I'm just wondering what approximate percentage of people actually make 200m+ per hour of active playtime. Well, since you asked so politely, I just made a hand gesture at you which explains everything you need to know.
o7
Benny Ohu wrote:
fire up the argument calibrators set phasers to outraged overheat keyboards reinforce the thread
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Amarrchecko
Hedion University Amarr Empire
41
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Posted - 2015.04.16 19:38:56 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:it's irrelevant.
It's irrelevant to... what?
Cause, ya know, I asked the question specifically. So the answer to that question is actually quite relevant in this thread. |
DaReaper
Net 7
1943
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Posted - 2015.04.16 19:39:12 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:The trick is to find the right balance for yourself between 'Making lots of Isk' and 'Making lots of fun'. Some players are really having fun while going all the way and through a lot of effort to find the optimum in (insert activity here) for their maximum Isk/hour ratio, while others are equally having as much fun doing something entirely different while always on the edge of bankruptcy.
The tipping point is different for everyone and for you to find out were yours lies. The thing is, making/having fun should always be on top of the list, above making Isk.
i'm a perfect exsample of this. I ran two alliances, both the same way. I tended to do all the boring task, like diplomacy, recruit, run pos', etc. I always had just enough isk to buy what i wanted at the time, but never enough to get something big. Like i need a BS i can get and fit that, but a nyx? that was laughable.
I was poor, never cleared 1b isk in this game, for the first 6 years i played.
Everyone else in corp got money, and i did not. Every other ceo in my alliance got isk, i did not. I decided, and still believe this, that my idea of fun is creating an enviorment for my members to have fun.
My corps and alliances were WAY too laid back, but they worked at the time.
So yea, you have to decide what you find fun. And sometimes decideing between fun and isk is the question
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Amarrchecko
Hedion University Amarr Empire
41
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Posted - 2015.04.16 19:44:29 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Well, since you asked so politely, I just made a hand gesture at you which explains everything you need to know.
o7
Lol
Amarrchecko wrote:How much truth is there to these claims? What percentage of Eve players really make that much isk that quickly?
I did ask about as politely as anyone ever does. I only got a bit snippy about unsolicited advice after a bunch of you started offering it to me, even though I mentioned that isn't what I was looking for in the first post of the thread :p
Going to stop replying though. I get the impression nobody really has an answer to my question and the thread is going in a direction I didn't intend. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10751
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Posted - 2015.04.16 19:47:54 -
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Amarrchecko wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:it's irrelevant. It's irrelevant to... what? Cause, ya know, I asked the question specifically. So the answer to that question is actually quite relevant in this thread.
Irrelevant in general. You're basically asking "how many people are doing better than me".
We don't know. The answer is probably that most players who are: -playing to make isk, -use as many characters as you do, and -have been in the game as long as you
are probably making more than you, but without access to CCP.s databases, we can't know for sure. It's also an intensely silly question. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10751
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Posted - 2015.04.16 19:49:14 -
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Amarrchecko wrote:Marsha Mallow wrote:Well, since you asked so politely, I just made a hand gesture at you which explains everything you need to know.
o7 Lol Amarrchecko wrote:How much truth is there to these claims? What percentage of Eve players really make that much isk that quickly? I did ask about as politely as anyone ever does. I only got a bit snippy about unsolicited advice after a bunch of you started offering it to me, even though I mentioned that isn't what I was looking for in the first post of the thread :p Going to stop replying though. I get the impression nobody really has an answer to my question and the thread is going in a direction I didn't intend.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbage_in,_garbage_out |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
928
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Posted - 2015.04.16 19:55:44 -
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So here's my way of making ISK.
I work 7:30 to 4:00 at a desk job.
I remote desktop to my home PC.
I rat with 2 accounts at 60 mil an hour.
I usually get about 6 hours of ratting a day in between my work. Sometimes more, sometimes less.
(60 x 2) x 6 = 720 million a day 720 x 5 = 3.6 bil
I get a 10/10 escalation about once a day usually and maybe 100 mil a week from faction spawns so call it 4 billion a week.
If I rat at work then break out the capitals and rat at home I can easily make 12-15 billion a week.
All these people that tell you it doesn't take any time are excluding 1 major detail which I like to call 'No Life Status' or NLS. It all takes time its just how much time do you have to put into it.
It's like Clint Eastwood says in Gran Torino 'Even a knucklehead like you can understand that man acquires these things of a period of time' or something like that.
Not today spaghetti.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1351
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Posted - 2015.04.16 19:58:40 -
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Try and fulfil something
Example: Mine ore Join a Null Sec alliance Get T2 stuff Run a POS Make Ishtars Sell them with modules
If you have ore -> to complete ships and get as many efficient and cheap parts you can make a lot of ISK
... or move into a worm hole and try the same sort of thing but at greater risk, use BPCs there.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Daerrol
Furtherance.
107
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Posted - 2015.04.16 20:25:42 -
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Ha OP I make 120m/hr when I try to make ISK. I don't know how to count the hauling/trading. I sell high end gear in Thera. Some days I literally make 200m - 500m passively many days I make 0. |
Paranoid Loyd
4744
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Posted - 2015.04.16 20:36:08 -
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Amarrchecko wrote:How much truth is there to these claims? What percentage of Eve players really make that much isk that quickly? There are a few problems with the question you are asking.
First of all, you asked the question in it's most basic form: Do people exaggerate when they are trying to make a point? If you really don't know the answer to this I have a rare albino Fedo to sell you.
Second, how do you define isk/hr? There is no activity in this game that can be directly translated to isk/hr (except maybe ratting). For example, you said you can make 60mil isk/hr. Most people would assume you took the amount of ore you can mine from one cycle of your stripminers x the market value of the ore x the amount of stripminers =isk/hr. When in reality the calculation should account for the time you were not mining and bringing the ore to market, the time it takes to put up sell orders for the ore, the time it takes to drop off the ore in the station and go back to the belt? These all eat into the time you could be mining and therefore should be calculated in the isk/hr number. So were you exaggerating the actual amount?
Then you get to activities like mine. I kill haulers for profit. The actual gank from scanning the target to docking with the loot is completed in minutes, but I have to sit there and scan sometimes for many hours to find a target. Then again this activity allows for many other things to be done so should I count those many hours of scanning in the calculation even though I am technically not even playing besides once in a while for a few seconds when a hauler shows up on the overview? Once I have collected the loot to actually get isk, I need to take it to market and sell it. So should I include that in my isk/hr calculation?
I could claim depending on definition of isk/hr that I make billions an hour, or I can normalize and account for all of the things that actually count towards converting my activity to isk and come up with a number that is not much higher than yours. Then again if I were to mine for all the hours that I counted toward the calculation that weren't really spent playing I would go absolutely insane so should it really count towards the number when comparing your isk/hr to mine?
I hope this gives you some insight into your inquiry and why you are not getting the answers you want.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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