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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.30 08:51:00 -
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"I, James Lyrus, do solemnly swear that I consider log in and log out to be separate from game mechanics.
I shall log off only when I am finished playing, and shall, as far as is possible, only do so when I am somewhere safe, in that it would be improbable that someone would accidentally find (and kill) me if I stayed logged in.
Given that I am logged off somewhere safe and convenient, I will therefore not use my logging on to create an ambush."
You may or may not have an opinion about this issue. I'm not too fussed either way. I'm well aware that there are groups who are more than happy to do this, or even proud to do so.
I've seen many discussions of whether it's an exploit or not. Again, I don't care. What I'm looking for is enough people who _do_ feel that it's 'unethical behaviour' to pledge, and make the case to those that aren't sure yet.
So. Are you going to pledge, or not?
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2006.10.30 08:55:00 -
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I pledge it and hope that anyone I meet along the line has taken the pledge as well. It really bothers me that some people have perfected the logon/logoff stuff so that they in essence never die. It seriously has the potential to completely ruin the game. It is one of the most well known, perhaps one of the fastest growing and most popular exploits in EVE atm.
Oh, and it sucks.
~~~~~~~~~ I wish my lawn was EMO so it would cut itself. I approve of this message. |
Thor Xian
Vertigo One
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Posted - 2006.10.30 09:00:00 -
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Between Logoff 'tactics' and Instas, CCP has their work cut out for them.
~TX |
James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.30 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Thor Xian Between Logoff 'tactics' and Instas, CCP has their work cut out for them.
Instas there's a fix. The only reason it hasn't been implemented is because it would cause a large shift in gameplay, and trigger whinge central. I know many people who refuse to go anywhere if they don't have instas. (Which to my mind, is actually part of the problem)
Logging off is unavoidable. It's just a question of where and when. Whatever restrictions you impose on it, fundamentally you still have to have some kind of mechanism. That mechanism will always be open to abuse. Thus, the Pledge.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.10.30 09:23:00 -
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i take the pledge heck i take losses all the time but a lot dont and wont
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Shadowsword
Gallente COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2006.10.30 09:54:00 -
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If I ever find myself outnumbered inside a bubble, with a combat ship, I shall type BANZAI! in local, and engage the enemy.
------------------------------------------ Nuhwall: Why are some Amarr ships warping backward? Shadowsword: whatever happen, if they need to flee they can honestly say the faced the enemy. |
Laythun
Undercover Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.30 10:21:00 -
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I, Laythun, 3rd Baron of Coolness, do solemnly swear to abide by the same terms as James Lyrus'
should i find myself outnumbered and outgunned i will go down fighting.
Undercover Brothers It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö |
Vicarrah
Minmatar Three Kind Buds
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Posted - 2006.10.30 11:26:00 -
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I, Vicarrah of the Tahiri, do pledge my honour to this cause.
I request my Tahiri brethren to do the same and will endeavour to canonise this in Tahiri lore.
Vicarrah Tahiri Advisor |
Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.30 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 30/10/2006 11:29:27
I, Dark Shikari, do solemnly swear to abide by the same terms as James Lyrus.
Should i find myself outnumbered and outgunned I will go down fighting also.
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.10.30 11:31:00 -
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/pledge
This corp is recruiting.
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Skarsnik
Caldari A.W.M
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Posted - 2006.10.30 11:36:00 -
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I also pledge to those exact terms. See you in space not logged off ------------- EVE-CCG Pre-orders EVE-Ink Tattoo Project |
Gaius Spectre
Caldari Solarflare Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.30 11:37:00 -
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/pledge
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Gavin Tanner
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Posted - 2006.10.30 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: Gavin Tanner on 30/10/2006 11:43:49
I Gavin Tanner do solemly swear to do anything in my power to p i $ $ off gatecampers, snipers, and gate w h o r e s, every chance I get using whatever means comes to hand.
So in a word, if its near a gate...no, I'll tell you straight up.
I do not do this to save my crappy Badger II BPO I am transporting that is worth 1/2 of my total net worth; I will do it to deny satisfaction to people who I consider are losers, lamers, and bored tools who if they were true pie rats would be in 0.0 and not ganking noobs right and left in low sec.
Catch me in a belt? Fine,lets go at it,or try to scram me before I jet. Using your sensor to find me in my ss?Damn your good with that thing,lets go at it,or try to run me down at least.
Perhaps your seeing a pattern here? Perhaps my loathing for gateganks is showing? Oops. |
Deva Blackfire
DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.30 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword If I ever find myself outnumbered inside a bubble, with a combat ship, I shall type BANZAI! in local, and engage the enemy.
Please tell the same to Ghost Eagle. He should learn from you :)
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Dern Morrow
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.10.30 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Gavin Tanner I Gavin Tanner do solemly swear to do anything in my power to p i $ $ off gatecampers, snipers, and gate w h o r e s, every chance I get using whatever means comes to hand.
So in a word, if its near a gate...no, I'll tell you straight up.
As a pirate who sits around in lowsec ganking newbs who come through... don't be such a newb and you won't die! I can't tell you how many haulers I've popped that have been flying without instas and without stabs.
Anyway. Even if you log, you're dead. Your pod may escape, but hell, I'm more interested in your ship and cargo.
Back to the OP... I /sign. I don't log. If you get me, I was stupid and need to be smarter next time. GG.
-- C'mon guys. Get some instas and stabs, or you will get ganked. <3 |
Camperific
Vindication Angels
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Posted - 2006.10.30 11:55:00 -
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/pledge
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Helplessandlost
Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.30 11:57:00 -
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/Pledge
As a part of this we should also pledge to pop anyone we see not following the pledge regardless of who they are.
"Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!"
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.30 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Gavin Tanner
I Gavin Tanner do solemly swear to do anything in my power to p i $ $ off gatecampers, snipers, and gate w h o r e s, every chance I get using whatever means comes to hand.
So in a word, if its near a gate...no, I'll tell you straight up.
I do not do this to save my crappy Badger II BPO I am transporting that is worth 1/2 of my total net worth; I will do it to deny satisfaction to people who I consider are losers, lamers, and bored tools who if they were true pie rats would be in 0.0 and not ganking noobs right and left in low sec.
Catch me in a belt? Fine,lets go at it,or try to scram me before I jet. Using your sensor to find me in my ss?Damn your good with that thing,lets go at it,or try to run me down at least.
Perhaps your seeing a pattern here? Perhaps my loathing for gateganks is showing? Oops.
See, this is the attitude I'm trying to discourage. I think I can safely claim to not be any of the things you list. I've only ever lost sec status once, and that was mostly by accident.
A gate camp is actually not all that dangerous if you're careful. Yes, every now and then you will run into someone who by ill fortune you didn't spot with your scout, nor notice the 'recent kills' on the map, or listen to friendly intel sources. But much more often avoiding camps, or just dodging through them is entirely achievable.
Look at it the other way. The hypothetical case that your friend just got pirated in a belt. You lock down the only gate out of the system, as you know the pirate as to go that way. You bring a few ships, a couple of tacklers, a battleships and maybe a few probe ships. You set up to try and find him, and flush your quarry.
And then he logs. Or he runs to the gate, sees you've got him dead to rights, because you've put in time and effort to catching him, and logs off there.
Stabs, instas, MWDs, fast ships, scouting, cloaks, the map are all ways IN GAME to avoid getting killed in camps if used right. There are also countermeasures to all of the above, which have a varying degree of success, and again rely on being used effectively.
There is no countermeasure to logging off. In all honesty, there never can be - you'll _always_ have people who lose link, log, or otherwise crash 'normally'.
What I'm trying to put forth is that the 'quit client' button is not a fittings choice, ship choice or intel failure. If you leave a game of chess halfway through you forfeit.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.30 12:18:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 30/10/2006 12:19:47
Now I remember defending logoff tactics before. I suggested that as long as you warped off and disappeared with nobody around, you could argue from a roleplaying point of view that you had simply shut your ship down, making scanning for the transponder impossible and severing communications with local.
Personally, I'd like to see an after-effect if you log on in space. For example, a sensor recalibration time of 60 or 120 seconds in which you cannot target, warp or activate offensive modules. That would make logon camps ineffective while letting ships that disconnect in the midst of npcs to continue running their tanks when they get back.
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Nigh7F0x
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Posted - 2006.10.30 12:27:00 -
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/signed
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Taram Caldar
Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.10.30 12:30:00 -
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I don't use it but I do get dumped sometimes when jumping into systems so yeah I sign and take the pledge but i do get dumped when zoning from time to time. If I hav emy instas closed it happens MUCH less frequently though.
Bottom line: Devs need to fix bubbles so they prevent warp... PERIOD, just like scramblers do.
Problem solved.
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Fubear
Vogon Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:18:00 -
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I pledge to continue to logout to save my ship and pod whenever the opportunity arises until such time that CCP actually fixes the bugs in their game!
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:20:00 -
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Fixing the game to make CAMPing a lot less easy, safe and profitable. That would fix logging. Sorry for the controversy.
Sadly, it can't be done, because not only did the community EMBRACE lameness, they turned round and called it UBER. So you can't take CAMPing off Eve players any more than you can take the tutu off a ballerina. They just love sucking all the "cargo" out of the "holds" of other male's "ships", and woe betide any person getting in the way of a MINCING CAMP.
I vow to LOGOFF as far away as possible from CAMPers to preserve my "cargo" for the sake of my self respect. Keep your CAMPing hands off my "ship" and it's "hold".
I lame only to outlame, as the CAMPers taught me, why be truely uber when you can just lame instead?
You want a killmail, get out there and EARN it. Pansies.
Put home addresses in loss and killmails. Maybe then the community will find a way to control themselves a bit better. |
Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:22:00 -
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I pledge my loyality to Mr. Lyrus' ethical statement.
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Pestillence
Chav-Scum
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:24:00 -
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I'll adhere to that worthy pledge too.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:25:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Blands on 30/10/2006 13:25:02
Originally by: James Lyrus
If you leave a game of chess halfway through you forfeit.
This is common CAMPer rhetoric.
In chess, you have a go after your opponent, and you have to MOVE. Camping is no option. But thanks for the worthless comparison. It so NEARLY convinced me to jump into the nearest CAMP and offer myself as a sacrifice to the virgins.
Put home addresses in loss and killmails. Maybe then the community will find a way to control themselves a bit better. |
Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands
This is common CAMPer rhetoric.
In chess, you have a go after your opponent, and you have to MOVE. Camping is no option. But thanks for the worthless comparison. It so NEARLY convinced me to jump into the nearest CAMP and offer myself as a sacrifice to the virgins.
Wooo, its an ad hominem attack
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Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON! |
Crovan
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:31:00 -
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I so pledge, and also wish to state my belief that Mr. Lyrus is a sexy beast.
Originally by: Seleene
Client - "You smash them." MC - "Ooooh! Good! Like to smash!"
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Hano 137
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:31:00 -
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Better to go down fighting rather than this chicken livered running away nonsense. Nelson's last signal at Trafalgar was 'Engage The Enemy More Closely!' which is as good a motto as any. Ok so we lose a few ships here and there, but I'd rather keep my self respect.
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Gray Carmicheal
Caldari Es and Whizz
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:33:00 -
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I, Gray Carmicheal and Alts, do solemnly swear to abide by the same terms as James Lyrus.
Should I find myself outnumbered and outgunned I will go down fighting also, as is usual.
Mmm Boobies.
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