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Twilight Moon
Minmatar Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands It so NEARLY convinced me to jump into the nearest CAMP and offer myself as a sacrifice to the virgins.
What gatecamps have hordes of virgins camping them?
Certainly none of the ones in Syndicate / Placid anyway. you just get an 4 - 10 man blob of pain.
...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative.
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr The Drekla Consortium New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:49:00 -
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I'd still like to see more fighting WITHIN systems than at gates. Right now a majority of PVP takes place at gates when people are travelling. That's boring to me.
Make fighting over resources, interesting objects, structures, all kinds of stuff more viable.
It's usually gang vs gate camp or gang vs npcer. Occaaaaassionally it's gang vs gang (because one guy got popped and told his friends). And even more rarely it's gang vs POS.
I don't know. I just think it would be interesting to remove stargates all together and re-work how travelling functions in EVE. Move more towards how capital ships function now. Jump drives are more fun. Just get rid of the cyno field aspect for the current ships (other than the cap ships) and make them jump into a random spot in a system within a certain distance from the star. Then give ships a way to use those scanners to find people. Requires some balancing but I think it would be more interesting and entertaining than me getting t2 snipers at gates in low sec out of range of the sentry guns to pop people. Or getting a huge gate camp and killing solo travellers you don't even know or have standings with. ---
Lisento Slaven wants to be a Space Whaler in EVE.
Put in space whales!
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: James Lyrus on 30/10/2006 14:01:49
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Gaven Blands
This is common CAMPer rhetoric.
In chess, you have a go after your opponent, and you have to MOVE. Camping is no option. But thanks for the worthless comparison. It so NEARLY convinced me to jump into the nearest CAMP and offer myself as a sacrifice to the virgins.
Wooo, its an ad hominem attack
The irony being, of course, that I'm a professional carebear in EVE. The only time I've ever 'gate camped' is after one of my own has been attacked and I'm after some payback.
Much in line with what's in the ISS Charter. Now your opinions of relative carebearishness may vary, but at the end of the day I am not a hard core PvPer. I am not a pirate. Some days I mine with my corp. More often I haul, because I can fly transport ships. Others days I go and run missions. My corp maintains a POS network, I tend to take care of freighter duty. I used to operate a POS network of 5 towers in MKD-08 and surrounding constellation. For those that don't know, that's the 'corridor' across the top of Querious, that leads to Delve. BoB space.
So I certainly know what it's like to run into gate camps. I have in my time, lost several haulers both T1 and T2, full of 10s, if not hundreds of millions of isks of POS fuel and advanced materials, to a whole string of people.
Then I learned to take a few more precautions, and the loss rate dropped.
Yes, in 0.0 there's PvP. It's unavoidable, and ... well basically part of the point. I take part in that too, but I'm not very good at it. Not once have I considered logging out to avoid losing a ship. Well, ok, maybe I've considered it, but not seriously enough to actually do it.
So please, spare me the 'omg you're a gate camping griefer' lines. I'm not. Never have been. About the only time I consider the idea is each time I see statements like '... but then I logged out and got away'.
I'll re-iterate. All manner of stuff 'could be done' to reduce/remove/alter logon mechanics. It'll never fix all the problems, because quite simply, people always have to log, and sometimes they lose connection. What I'm looking for is a unified statement to the EVE Community that your login and logout SHOULD NOT be treated as part of the game environment.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:58:00 -
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Lisento. I like it, fight for resource and control. Not for killmails.
I don't have a problem with territotial defence gate camps, but 10 man blobs for solo travellers. That is worse than carebears. It's called PvP, not PvPPPPPPPPPPPP.
When they fix the reasons to log, I'll stop logging.
Anyway, does anybody arrange regular gate camp busting raids? How does it go? Do they log out the moment they are outnumbered 10 to 1? Or did they log out as soon as it looked like it was on the way to becoming a fair fight?
Put home addresses in loss and killmails. Maybe then the community will find a way to control themselves a bit better. |
d'hofren
Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.30 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands
..Drivel..
Could you go and post somewhere else please?
Hof signs the OP's pledge.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2006.10.30 14:07:00 -
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Sure can, watch this....
Put home addresses in loss and killmails. Maybe then the community will find a way to control themselves a bit better. |
Kaganis Warmonkey
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.30 14:16:00 -
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Edited by: Kaganis Warmonkey on 30/10/2006 14:17:59 Edit: Grrr.... Silly forum.
Originally by: Gaven Blands Anyway, does anybody arrange regular gate camp busting raids?
ISSN have been known to.
Quote: How does it go? Do they log out the moment they are outnumbered 10 to 1? Or did they log out as soon as it looked like it was on the way to becoming a fair fight?
Depends on who's doing the camping. Some log, some don't. Camping != Lame. Logging to save yourself = Lame. Some people do both, some people only do the former.
/pledge BTW.
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Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.10.30 14:17:00 -
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I once got into a very laggy fleet fight (the 10 vs 10 against the MC in Istodard) and logged when I lost my Typhoon and couldn't even click anything for over a minute while in a pod.
I felt so bad I logged right back in - maybe hoping for better UI response - and got promptly sent to a cloning facility - which I felt I deserved at about that point.
I'll never try to log again. --
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Mark Weston
Caldari The Graduates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.30 14:51:00 -
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I, Mark Weston, do solemnly sign this pledge.
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.30 14:52:00 -
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I Gariuys AimT Legard, Evil Stranger, and all those under my command do solemnly swear to abide by the same terms as James Lyrus.
Should I find myself outnumbered ( hey outgunning is pretty unlikely ) I will go down fighting, or they will... ;-D
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Lo3d3R
Implant Liberation Front Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.30 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: Lo3d3R on 30/10/2006 15:13:18
solution: every corp/alliance member that logs in, in the same system within the same minute of the previous one to log in gets a minute delay of warping to last point when in space or undocking. This minute wait will add up to every new corp/alliance member that enters system within said minute.
so if 30 people log on at the same place at the same time, no. 14 will have to wait 13 minutes before he can do anything.
the 1 minute rule could also be 30 seconds or whatever, in any normal situation of loggin on and off this could in the worst case cause a small waiting periode, but hey like i said the factor doesnt have to be a minute. Or the stacking penalty only starts from 5 or more a the same time, the possibility's are endless.
so a stacking penalty for simeltanious logging on in the same system for corp/alliance members. ___________________
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Ki An
Gallente Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2006.10.30 15:17:00 -
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I, Ki An, pledge to never log off in face of the enemy. Moreso, I pledge to never allow into any corp of mine, any lamers who utilizes this tactic, and to, by way of alts, actively hunt down and suicide those who would sink that low. That's my pledge.
/Ki
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Sgt Napalm
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.30 15:19:00 -
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No AAA members in here huh? I wonder why.
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Detavi Kade
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Posted - 2006.10.30 15:24:00 -
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I am a carebear, and I try to escape camps all the time, by warping off and trying not to get caught in them in the first place...
But logoff/login tactics are cheesy, and I pledge to never use them. Would rather lose my ship and pod than to lose my self-respect.
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Solarienne
Caldari Steel Frontier Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.30 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Solarienne on 30/10/2006 15:25:25 /Pledge
Totally agreed - just because it is exploitable, does not mean it should be exploited.
For those lamers trying to defend their tattered shreds of dignity with 'I do it to annoy people' that is called Greifing. Not the 'OMG you blew me up' Griefing (bwahahahaha) but the true, to the core, 'I want to P*** you off IRL' Greifing.
Grow up, grow a Pair, go down fighting or use your BRAIN to avoid camps (map/scan/protocloak on a badger 2 anyone?).
Solarienne Gotta get an FLA banner sorted... EVE Animation Project |
Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.10.30 15:40:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 30/10/2006 15:43:36
Originally by: Gaven Blands Fixing the game to make CAMPing a lot less easy, safe and profitable. That would fix logging. Sorry for the controversy.
Not true. Most people log out anyway, when they think their odds are bad or they think it's unfair. Bad odds, being outnumbered sometimes, being outsmarted, that people sometimes don't have a chance, when they are aggressed, is something that's part of the game and meant to be a part of it. Some people don't like it and log, some people just always log, when they think, they lose and some use it as a tactics for traps.
EVE isn't 'fair' in a way that you are supposed to have a 50/50 chance, once you are aggressed. We are no brave knights, who duel all day long. EVE is meant to be a harsh universe without a magic I-log-I-escape trick. Since many people don't get it, it's on CCP to solve it and make EVE, what it's supposed to be.
Beyond that /signed. Although I don't say that I will always go down fighting, I might just try to get out of a bubble and run.
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Rirro Darkmist
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Posted - 2006.10.30 15:52:00 -
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Ill log off whenever the hell i want, thanks.
If im cruising along in 0.0 with my 3 mil SP and i stumble upon a gatecamp with a bubble and 3+ pilots, and the only option i have to save my ship is to log off, then im doing it. And theres nothing you scumbags can do or say to stop me. Too bad eh?
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Asboh
Gallente Kal'Torno Holdings
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Posted - 2006.10.30 15:56:00 -
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Possibly an expensive error , but /pledge.
Would this suggestion: Accounting for Logoff help?
(Apologies for the self-promotion)
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Ki An
Gallente Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: Ki An on 30/10/2006 16:10:01
Originally by: Rirro Darkmist Ill log off whenever the hell i want, thanks.
If im cruising along in 0.0 with my 3 mil SP and i stumble upon a gatecamp with a bubble and 3+ pilots, and the only option i have to save my ship is to log off, then im doing it. And theres nothing you scumbags can do or say to stop me. Too bad eh?
So, you think that the people who used in-game mechanics to get you are worth less than you? You would rather disrespect your fellow players than actually learn how to play the game? People like you are what is wrong with EVE today. Not lag, not imbalance, but you and your ilk. For the love of the game, and everyone in it, please quit. Cancel your account and play a single-player game. You are ruining this game for all of us. Just go away.
/Edit: Also, it is interesting to note that, while you take tone to try to justify your lameness, you dare not do it with your main.
/Ki
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:10:00 -
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Bullpies. Everybody else ruined it before I had chance to.
Put home addresses in loss and killmails. Maybe then the community will find a way to control themselves a bit better. |
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Ki An
Gallente Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands Bullpies. Everybody else ruined it before I had chance to.
Then quit. If you don't like it, stop playing. Do the rest of us a favor.
/Ki
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Ethidium Bromide
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:13:00 -
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i don't even log when drunk *hic*
Originally by: George Petsch Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
My sig is blue not pink although i can't argue with the slave part - Xorus wth whats this blue stuff all of a sudden? Did I miss a mail? -eris Bwahahahaha!11 Immy was here
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:15:00 -
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Do I OWE you a favour? Not that I know of. I shall do as I choose. Eve community made it's choices. Now I get to make mine. Perhaps Eve community should have chosen more wisely.
Put home addresses in loss and killmails. Maybe then the community will find a way to control themselves a bit better. |
Takahashi Arran
Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:17:00 -
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this is my position- if i'm in my ship I stay logged on- the explosion is cool and it makes a fair fight. Once i'm stuck in my escape pod in a SS with 20 hostiles in local waiting for me i'll log off and limp home another day I see no advantage to suicidally staying around now that i've lost. Does that sound fair?
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Ki An
Gallente Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands Do I OWE you a favour? Not that I know of. I shall do as I choose. Eve community made it's choices. Now I get to make mine. Perhaps Eve community should have chosen more wisely.
You don't owe anyone a favor, but you need to learn to respect other people. EVE is not a single-player game. It's a community driven multiplayer-game. You chose to flip off everyone an say "I'll play as I want", and in doing so, you are essentially demonstrating your bad character and failure to adhere to social structures. This has nothing to do with RL, and I do not insinuate that you are somehow a bad person there. However, in EVE you simply chose to cheat, just because you can get away with it.
What you, in your selfish bubble, fail to see is how your behaviour, and the behaviour of those like you, is ruining the game. You obviously cannot see the effects of logging, so I'll try to make it clear to you. Imagine EVE where no ship ever gets destroyed. As soon as someone realises that they are in over their head, they log, saving their ship and pod. This leads to no new ships being needed, crashing the ship and module market, and in effect, the entire market system. Now miners, traders, producers and everyone else looses their ability to make any isk, and the game itself looses any worth. This is what will happen if everyone would do like you.
/Ki
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Roshan longshot
Gallente Order of the Arrow
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:40:00 -
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Oh come on now, your trying to get people to beleave in this pledge?
What does this prove? Nothing as far as I can see. Whats holding you to this pledge?
Me If I am caught with my shorts down...so be it. But dont expect anyone to really beleave this hype.....
Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter pirate or mixture of them all.
[i]As read from the original box.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An
You don't owe anyone a favor, but you need to learn to respect other people.
Is blowing up every lone traveller in a 10 man blob "respecting them"?
Originally by: Ki An EVE is not a single-player game. It's a community driven multiplayer-game. You chose to flip off everyone an say "I'll play as I want", and in doing so, you are essentially demonstrating your bad character and failure to adhere to social structures.
The community chose its own level. I am absolutely staggered that gate camping for any reason other than territorial defence or war strategy became an accepted norm. They are saying "I'll play as I want", so I take my cue from them. Chicken & Egg. Well, they came first. I respond to lame with more lame.
Originally by: Ki An This has nothing to do with RL, and I do not insinuate that you are somehow a bad person there. However, in EVE you simply chose to cheat, just because you can get away with it.
I appreciate that. Remarkably diplomatic for a forum post. Quite unusual.
The doomsday prophecy bit was a tad extreme. There can be destruction without resorting seriously lame gate camping. Again I stress how sad it is to see an open ended game like Eve get dragged down to the levels it has, where killing as much as possible, as fast as possible, with as little risk as possible, when the opportunity to have a much cleaner society had existed, it tells you a lot about people, and just how much respect they deserve.
Put home addresses in loss and killmails. Maybe then the community will find a way to control themselves a bit better. |
Ki An
Gallente Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:49:00 -
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Alright, I must admit my failure to get through to you here. I give up. Continue being lame and maybe CCP will eventually solve this problem. The more open the problem gets, the sooner it should be fixed, so, thanks for that I guess.
/Ki
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Ma'lice
Minmatar Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.30 17:03:00 -
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In any case, PLEDGED.
Although, Logging out is never an option. My loss record would validate the definitiveness of that.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.30 17:06:00 -
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I /sign such a pledge. -----------------------------------------------
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