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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.30 08:51:00 -
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"I, James Lyrus, do solemnly swear that I consider log in and log out to be separate from game mechanics.
I shall log off only when I am finished playing, and shall, as far as is possible, only do so when I am somewhere safe, in that it would be improbable that someone would accidentally find (and kill) me if I stayed logged in.
Given that I am logged off somewhere safe and convenient, I will therefore not use my logging on to create an ambush."
You may or may not have an opinion about this issue. I'm not too fussed either way. I'm well aware that there are groups who are more than happy to do this, or even proud to do so.
I've seen many discussions of whether it's an exploit or not. Again, I don't care. What I'm looking for is enough people who _do_ feel that it's 'unethical behaviour' to pledge, and make the case to those that aren't sure yet.
So. Are you going to pledge, or not?
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2006.10.30 08:55:00 -
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I pledge it and hope that anyone I meet along the line has taken the pledge as well. It really bothers me that some people have perfected the logon/logoff stuff so that they in essence never die. It seriously has the potential to completely ruin the game. It is one of the most well known, perhaps one of the fastest growing and most popular exploits in EVE atm.
Oh, and it sucks.
~~~~~~~~~ I wish my lawn was EMO so it would cut itself. I approve of this message. |
Thor Xian
Vertigo One
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Posted - 2006.10.30 09:00:00 -
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Between Logoff 'tactics' and Instas, CCP has their work cut out for them.
~TX |
James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.30 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Thor Xian Between Logoff 'tactics' and Instas, CCP has their work cut out for them.
Instas there's a fix. The only reason it hasn't been implemented is because it would cause a large shift in gameplay, and trigger whinge central. I know many people who refuse to go anywhere if they don't have instas. (Which to my mind, is actually part of the problem)
Logging off is unavoidable. It's just a question of where and when. Whatever restrictions you impose on it, fundamentally you still have to have some kind of mechanism. That mechanism will always be open to abuse. Thus, the Pledge.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.10.30 09:23:00 -
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i take the pledge heck i take losses all the time but a lot dont and wont
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Shadowsword
Gallente COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2006.10.30 09:54:00 -
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If I ever find myself outnumbered inside a bubble, with a combat ship, I shall type BANZAI! in local, and engage the enemy.
------------------------------------------ Nuhwall: Why are some Amarr ships warping backward? Shadowsword: whatever happen, if they need to flee they can honestly say the faced the enemy. |
Laythun
Undercover Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.30 10:21:00 -
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I, Laythun, 3rd Baron of Coolness, do solemnly swear to abide by the same terms as James Lyrus'
should i find myself outnumbered and outgunned i will go down fighting.
Undercover Brothers It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö |
Vicarrah
Minmatar Three Kind Buds
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Posted - 2006.10.30 11:26:00 -
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I, Vicarrah of the Tahiri, do pledge my honour to this cause.
I request my Tahiri brethren to do the same and will endeavour to canonise this in Tahiri lore.
Vicarrah Tahiri Advisor |
Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.30 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 30/10/2006 11:29:27
I, Dark Shikari, do solemnly swear to abide by the same terms as James Lyrus.
Should i find myself outnumbered and outgunned I will go down fighting also.
-[23] Member-
Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON! |
Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.10.30 11:31:00 -
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/pledge
This corp is recruiting.
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Skarsnik
Caldari A.W.M
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Posted - 2006.10.30 11:36:00 -
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I also pledge to those exact terms. See you in space not logged off ------------- EVE-CCG Pre-orders EVE-Ink Tattoo Project |
Gaius Spectre
Caldari Solarflare Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.30 11:37:00 -
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/pledge
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Gavin Tanner
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Posted - 2006.10.30 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: Gavin Tanner on 30/10/2006 11:43:49
I Gavin Tanner do solemly swear to do anything in my power to p i $ $ off gatecampers, snipers, and gate w h o r e s, every chance I get using whatever means comes to hand.
So in a word, if its near a gate...no, I'll tell you straight up.
I do not do this to save my crappy Badger II BPO I am transporting that is worth 1/2 of my total net worth; I will do it to deny satisfaction to people who I consider are losers, lamers, and bored tools who if they were true pie rats would be in 0.0 and not ganking noobs right and left in low sec.
Catch me in a belt? Fine,lets go at it,or try to scram me before I jet. Using your sensor to find me in my ss?Damn your good with that thing,lets go at it,or try to run me down at least.
Perhaps your seeing a pattern here? Perhaps my loathing for gateganks is showing? Oops. |
Deva Blackfire
DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.30 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword If I ever find myself outnumbered inside a bubble, with a combat ship, I shall type BANZAI! in local, and engage the enemy.
Please tell the same to Ghost Eagle. He should learn from you :)
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Dern Morrow
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.10.30 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Gavin Tanner I Gavin Tanner do solemly swear to do anything in my power to p i $ $ off gatecampers, snipers, and gate w h o r e s, every chance I get using whatever means comes to hand.
So in a word, if its near a gate...no, I'll tell you straight up.
As a pirate who sits around in lowsec ganking newbs who come through... don't be such a newb and you won't die! I can't tell you how many haulers I've popped that have been flying without instas and without stabs.
Anyway. Even if you log, you're dead. Your pod may escape, but hell, I'm more interested in your ship and cargo.
Back to the OP... I /sign. I don't log. If you get me, I was stupid and need to be smarter next time. GG.
-- C'mon guys. Get some instas and stabs, or you will get ganked. <3 |
Camperific
Vindication Angels
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Posted - 2006.10.30 11:55:00 -
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/pledge
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Helplessandlost
Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.30 11:57:00 -
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/Pledge
As a part of this we should also pledge to pop anyone we see not following the pledge regardless of who they are.
"Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!"
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.30 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Gavin Tanner
I Gavin Tanner do solemly swear to do anything in my power to p i $ $ off gatecampers, snipers, and gate w h o r e s, every chance I get using whatever means comes to hand.
So in a word, if its near a gate...no, I'll tell you straight up.
I do not do this to save my crappy Badger II BPO I am transporting that is worth 1/2 of my total net worth; I will do it to deny satisfaction to people who I consider are losers, lamers, and bored tools who if they were true pie rats would be in 0.0 and not ganking noobs right and left in low sec.
Catch me in a belt? Fine,lets go at it,or try to scram me before I jet. Using your sensor to find me in my ss?Damn your good with that thing,lets go at it,or try to run me down at least.
Perhaps your seeing a pattern here? Perhaps my loathing for gateganks is showing? Oops.
See, this is the attitude I'm trying to discourage. I think I can safely claim to not be any of the things you list. I've only ever lost sec status once, and that was mostly by accident.
A gate camp is actually not all that dangerous if you're careful. Yes, every now and then you will run into someone who by ill fortune you didn't spot with your scout, nor notice the 'recent kills' on the map, or listen to friendly intel sources. But much more often avoiding camps, or just dodging through them is entirely achievable.
Look at it the other way. The hypothetical case that your friend just got pirated in a belt. You lock down the only gate out of the system, as you know the pirate as to go that way. You bring a few ships, a couple of tacklers, a battleships and maybe a few probe ships. You set up to try and find him, and flush your quarry.
And then he logs. Or he runs to the gate, sees you've got him dead to rights, because you've put in time and effort to catching him, and logs off there.
Stabs, instas, MWDs, fast ships, scouting, cloaks, the map are all ways IN GAME to avoid getting killed in camps if used right. There are also countermeasures to all of the above, which have a varying degree of success, and again rely on being used effectively.
There is no countermeasure to logging off. In all honesty, there never can be - you'll _always_ have people who lose link, log, or otherwise crash 'normally'.
What I'm trying to put forth is that the 'quit client' button is not a fittings choice, ship choice or intel failure. If you leave a game of chess halfway through you forfeit.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.30 12:18:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 30/10/2006 12:19:47
Now I remember defending logoff tactics before. I suggested that as long as you warped off and disappeared with nobody around, you could argue from a roleplaying point of view that you had simply shut your ship down, making scanning for the transponder impossible and severing communications with local.
Personally, I'd like to see an after-effect if you log on in space. For example, a sensor recalibration time of 60 or 120 seconds in which you cannot target, warp or activate offensive modules. That would make logon camps ineffective while letting ships that disconnect in the midst of npcs to continue running their tanks when they get back.
Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources. |
Nigh7F0x
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Posted - 2006.10.30 12:27:00 -
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/signed
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Taram Caldar
Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.10.30 12:30:00 -
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I don't use it but I do get dumped sometimes when jumping into systems so yeah I sign and take the pledge but i do get dumped when zoning from time to time. If I hav emy instas closed it happens MUCH less frequently though.
Bottom line: Devs need to fix bubbles so they prevent warp... PERIOD, just like scramblers do.
Problem solved.
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Fubear
Vogon Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:18:00 -
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I pledge to continue to logout to save my ship and pod whenever the opportunity arises until such time that CCP actually fixes the bugs in their game!
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:20:00 -
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Fixing the game to make CAMPing a lot less easy, safe and profitable. That would fix logging. Sorry for the controversy.
Sadly, it can't be done, because not only did the community EMBRACE lameness, they turned round and called it UBER. So you can't take CAMPing off Eve players any more than you can take the tutu off a ballerina. They just love sucking all the "cargo" out of the "holds" of other male's "ships", and woe betide any person getting in the way of a MINCING CAMP.
I vow to LOGOFF as far away as possible from CAMPers to preserve my "cargo" for the sake of my self respect. Keep your CAMPing hands off my "ship" and it's "hold".
I lame only to outlame, as the CAMPers taught me, why be truely uber when you can just lame instead?
You want a killmail, get out there and EARN it. Pansies.
Put home addresses in loss and killmails. Maybe then the community will find a way to control themselves a bit better. |
Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:22:00 -
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I pledge my loyality to Mr. Lyrus' ethical statement.
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Pestillence
Chav-Scum
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:24:00 -
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I'll adhere to that worthy pledge too.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:25:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Blands on 30/10/2006 13:25:02
Originally by: James Lyrus
If you leave a game of chess halfway through you forfeit.
This is common CAMPer rhetoric.
In chess, you have a go after your opponent, and you have to MOVE. Camping is no option. But thanks for the worthless comparison. It so NEARLY convinced me to jump into the nearest CAMP and offer myself as a sacrifice to the virgins.
Put home addresses in loss and killmails. Maybe then the community will find a way to control themselves a bit better. |
Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands
This is common CAMPer rhetoric.
In chess, you have a go after your opponent, and you have to MOVE. Camping is no option. But thanks for the worthless comparison. It so NEARLY convinced me to jump into the nearest CAMP and offer myself as a sacrifice to the virgins.
Wooo, its an ad hominem attack
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Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON! |
Crovan
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:31:00 -
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I so pledge, and also wish to state my belief that Mr. Lyrus is a sexy beast.
Originally by: Seleene
Client - "You smash them." MC - "Ooooh! Good! Like to smash!"
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Hano 137
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:31:00 -
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Better to go down fighting rather than this chicken livered running away nonsense. Nelson's last signal at Trafalgar was 'Engage The Enemy More Closely!' which is as good a motto as any. Ok so we lose a few ships here and there, but I'd rather keep my self respect.
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Gray Carmicheal
Caldari Es and Whizz
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:33:00 -
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I, Gray Carmicheal and Alts, do solemnly swear to abide by the same terms as James Lyrus.
Should I find myself outnumbered and outgunned I will go down fighting also, as is usual.
Mmm Boobies.
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands It so NEARLY convinced me to jump into the nearest CAMP and offer myself as a sacrifice to the virgins.
What gatecamps have hordes of virgins camping them?
Certainly none of the ones in Syndicate / Placid anyway. you just get an 4 - 10 man blob of pain.
...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative.
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr The Drekla Consortium New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:49:00 -
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I'd still like to see more fighting WITHIN systems than at gates. Right now a majority of PVP takes place at gates when people are travelling. That's boring to me.
Make fighting over resources, interesting objects, structures, all kinds of stuff more viable.
It's usually gang vs gate camp or gang vs npcer. Occaaaaassionally it's gang vs gang (because one guy got popped and told his friends). And even more rarely it's gang vs POS.
I don't know. I just think it would be interesting to remove stargates all together and re-work how travelling functions in EVE. Move more towards how capital ships function now. Jump drives are more fun. Just get rid of the cyno field aspect for the current ships (other than the cap ships) and make them jump into a random spot in a system within a certain distance from the star. Then give ships a way to use those scanners to find people. Requires some balancing but I think it would be more interesting and entertaining than me getting t2 snipers at gates in low sec out of range of the sentry guns to pop people. Or getting a huge gate camp and killing solo travellers you don't even know or have standings with. ---
Lisento Slaven wants to be a Space Whaler in EVE.
Put in space whales!
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: James Lyrus on 30/10/2006 14:01:49
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Gaven Blands
This is common CAMPer rhetoric.
In chess, you have a go after your opponent, and you have to MOVE. Camping is no option. But thanks for the worthless comparison. It so NEARLY convinced me to jump into the nearest CAMP and offer myself as a sacrifice to the virgins.
Wooo, its an ad hominem attack
The irony being, of course, that I'm a professional carebear in EVE. The only time I've ever 'gate camped' is after one of my own has been attacked and I'm after some payback.
Much in line with what's in the ISS Charter. Now your opinions of relative carebearishness may vary, but at the end of the day I am not a hard core PvPer. I am not a pirate. Some days I mine with my corp. More often I haul, because I can fly transport ships. Others days I go and run missions. My corp maintains a POS network, I tend to take care of freighter duty. I used to operate a POS network of 5 towers in MKD-08 and surrounding constellation. For those that don't know, that's the 'corridor' across the top of Querious, that leads to Delve. BoB space.
So I certainly know what it's like to run into gate camps. I have in my time, lost several haulers both T1 and T2, full of 10s, if not hundreds of millions of isks of POS fuel and advanced materials, to a whole string of people.
Then I learned to take a few more precautions, and the loss rate dropped.
Yes, in 0.0 there's PvP. It's unavoidable, and ... well basically part of the point. I take part in that too, but I'm not very good at it. Not once have I considered logging out to avoid losing a ship. Well, ok, maybe I've considered it, but not seriously enough to actually do it.
So please, spare me the 'omg you're a gate camping griefer' lines. I'm not. Never have been. About the only time I consider the idea is each time I see statements like '... but then I logged out and got away'.
I'll re-iterate. All manner of stuff 'could be done' to reduce/remove/alter logon mechanics. It'll never fix all the problems, because quite simply, people always have to log, and sometimes they lose connection. What I'm looking for is a unified statement to the EVE Community that your login and logout SHOULD NOT be treated as part of the game environment.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2006.10.30 13:58:00 -
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Lisento. I like it, fight for resource and control. Not for killmails.
I don't have a problem with territotial defence gate camps, but 10 man blobs for solo travellers. That is worse than carebears. It's called PvP, not PvPPPPPPPPPPPP.
When they fix the reasons to log, I'll stop logging.
Anyway, does anybody arrange regular gate camp busting raids? How does it go? Do they log out the moment they are outnumbered 10 to 1? Or did they log out as soon as it looked like it was on the way to becoming a fair fight?
Put home addresses in loss and killmails. Maybe then the community will find a way to control themselves a bit better. |
d'hofren
Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.30 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands
..Drivel..
Could you go and post somewhere else please?
Hof signs the OP's pledge.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2006.10.30 14:07:00 -
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Sure can, watch this....
Put home addresses in loss and killmails. Maybe then the community will find a way to control themselves a bit better. |
Kaganis Warmonkey
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.30 14:16:00 -
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Edited by: Kaganis Warmonkey on 30/10/2006 14:17:59 Edit: Grrr.... Silly forum.
Originally by: Gaven Blands Anyway, does anybody arrange regular gate camp busting raids?
ISSN have been known to.
Quote: How does it go? Do they log out the moment they are outnumbered 10 to 1? Or did they log out as soon as it looked like it was on the way to becoming a fair fight?
Depends on who's doing the camping. Some log, some don't. Camping != Lame. Logging to save yourself = Lame. Some people do both, some people only do the former.
/pledge BTW.
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Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.10.30 14:17:00 -
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I once got into a very laggy fleet fight (the 10 vs 10 against the MC in Istodard) and logged when I lost my Typhoon and couldn't even click anything for over a minute while in a pod.
I felt so bad I logged right back in - maybe hoping for better UI response - and got promptly sent to a cloning facility - which I felt I deserved at about that point.
I'll never try to log again. --
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Mark Weston
Caldari The Graduates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.30 14:51:00 -
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I, Mark Weston, do solemnly sign this pledge.
New to EVE? Join channel: "Eve University" or read here |
Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.30 14:52:00 -
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I Gariuys AimT Legard, Evil Stranger, and all those under my command do solemnly swear to abide by the same terms as James Lyrus.
Should I find myself outnumbered ( hey outgunning is pretty unlikely ) I will go down fighting, or they will... ;-D
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Lo3d3R
Implant Liberation Front Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.30 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: Lo3d3R on 30/10/2006 15:13:18
solution: every corp/alliance member that logs in, in the same system within the same minute of the previous one to log in gets a minute delay of warping to last point when in space or undocking. This minute wait will add up to every new corp/alliance member that enters system within said minute.
so if 30 people log on at the same place at the same time, no. 14 will have to wait 13 minutes before he can do anything.
the 1 minute rule could also be 30 seconds or whatever, in any normal situation of loggin on and off this could in the worst case cause a small waiting periode, but hey like i said the factor doesnt have to be a minute. Or the stacking penalty only starts from 5 or more a the same time, the possibility's are endless.
so a stacking penalty for simeltanious logging on in the same system for corp/alliance members. ___________________
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Ki An
Gallente Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2006.10.30 15:17:00 -
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I, Ki An, pledge to never log off in face of the enemy. Moreso, I pledge to never allow into any corp of mine, any lamers who utilizes this tactic, and to, by way of alts, actively hunt down and suicide those who would sink that low. That's my pledge.
/Ki
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Sgt Napalm
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.30 15:19:00 -
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No AAA members in here huh? I wonder why.
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Detavi Kade
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Posted - 2006.10.30 15:24:00 -
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I am a carebear, and I try to escape camps all the time, by warping off and trying not to get caught in them in the first place...
But logoff/login tactics are cheesy, and I pledge to never use them. Would rather lose my ship and pod than to lose my self-respect.
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Solarienne
Caldari Steel Frontier Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.30 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Solarienne on 30/10/2006 15:25:25 /Pledge
Totally agreed - just because it is exploitable, does not mean it should be exploited.
For those lamers trying to defend their tattered shreds of dignity with 'I do it to annoy people' that is called Greifing. Not the 'OMG you blew me up' Griefing (bwahahahaha) but the true, to the core, 'I want to P*** you off IRL' Greifing.
Grow up, grow a Pair, go down fighting or use your BRAIN to avoid camps (map/scan/protocloak on a badger 2 anyone?).
Solarienne Gotta get an FLA banner sorted... EVE Animation Project |
Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.10.30 15:40:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 30/10/2006 15:43:36
Originally by: Gaven Blands Fixing the game to make CAMPing a lot less easy, safe and profitable. That would fix logging. Sorry for the controversy.
Not true. Most people log out anyway, when they think their odds are bad or they think it's unfair. Bad odds, being outnumbered sometimes, being outsmarted, that people sometimes don't have a chance, when they are aggressed, is something that's part of the game and meant to be a part of it. Some people don't like it and log, some people just always log, when they think, they lose and some use it as a tactics for traps.
EVE isn't 'fair' in a way that you are supposed to have a 50/50 chance, once you are aggressed. We are no brave knights, who duel all day long. EVE is meant to be a harsh universe without a magic I-log-I-escape trick. Since many people don't get it, it's on CCP to solve it and make EVE, what it's supposed to be.
Beyond that /signed. Although I don't say that I will always go down fighting, I might just try to get out of a bubble and run.
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Rirro Darkmist
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Posted - 2006.10.30 15:52:00 -
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Ill log off whenever the hell i want, thanks.
If im cruising along in 0.0 with my 3 mil SP and i stumble upon a gatecamp with a bubble and 3+ pilots, and the only option i have to save my ship is to log off, then im doing it. And theres nothing you scumbags can do or say to stop me. Too bad eh?
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Asboh
Gallente Kal'Torno Holdings
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Posted - 2006.10.30 15:56:00 -
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Possibly an expensive error , but /pledge.
Would this suggestion: Accounting for Logoff help?
(Apologies for the self-promotion)
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Ki An
Gallente Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: Ki An on 30/10/2006 16:10:01
Originally by: Rirro Darkmist Ill log off whenever the hell i want, thanks.
If im cruising along in 0.0 with my 3 mil SP and i stumble upon a gatecamp with a bubble and 3+ pilots, and the only option i have to save my ship is to log off, then im doing it. And theres nothing you scumbags can do or say to stop me. Too bad eh?
So, you think that the people who used in-game mechanics to get you are worth less than you? You would rather disrespect your fellow players than actually learn how to play the game? People like you are what is wrong with EVE today. Not lag, not imbalance, but you and your ilk. For the love of the game, and everyone in it, please quit. Cancel your account and play a single-player game. You are ruining this game for all of us. Just go away.
/Edit: Also, it is interesting to note that, while you take tone to try to justify your lameness, you dare not do it with your main.
/Ki
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:10:00 -
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Bullpies. Everybody else ruined it before I had chance to.
Put home addresses in loss and killmails. Maybe then the community will find a way to control themselves a bit better. |
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Ki An
Gallente Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands Bullpies. Everybody else ruined it before I had chance to.
Then quit. If you don't like it, stop playing. Do the rest of us a favor.
/Ki
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Ethidium Bromide
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:13:00 -
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i don't even log when drunk *hic*
Originally by: George Petsch Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
My sig is blue not pink although i can't argue with the slave part - Xorus wth whats this blue stuff all of a sudden? Did I miss a mail? -eris Bwahahahaha!11 Immy was here
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:15:00 -
[53]
Do I OWE you a favour? Not that I know of. I shall do as I choose. Eve community made it's choices. Now I get to make mine. Perhaps Eve community should have chosen more wisely.
Put home addresses in loss and killmails. Maybe then the community will find a way to control themselves a bit better. |
Takahashi Arran
Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:17:00 -
[54]
this is my position- if i'm in my ship I stay logged on- the explosion is cool and it makes a fair fight. Once i'm stuck in my escape pod in a SS with 20 hostiles in local waiting for me i'll log off and limp home another day I see no advantage to suicidally staying around now that i've lost. Does that sound fair?
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Ki An
Gallente Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:23:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Gaven Blands Do I OWE you a favour? Not that I know of. I shall do as I choose. Eve community made it's choices. Now I get to make mine. Perhaps Eve community should have chosen more wisely.
You don't owe anyone a favor, but you need to learn to respect other people. EVE is not a single-player game. It's a community driven multiplayer-game. You chose to flip off everyone an say "I'll play as I want", and in doing so, you are essentially demonstrating your bad character and failure to adhere to social structures. This has nothing to do with RL, and I do not insinuate that you are somehow a bad person there. However, in EVE you simply chose to cheat, just because you can get away with it.
What you, in your selfish bubble, fail to see is how your behaviour, and the behaviour of those like you, is ruining the game. You obviously cannot see the effects of logging, so I'll try to make it clear to you. Imagine EVE where no ship ever gets destroyed. As soon as someone realises that they are in over their head, they log, saving their ship and pod. This leads to no new ships being needed, crashing the ship and module market, and in effect, the entire market system. Now miners, traders, producers and everyone else looses their ability to make any isk, and the game itself looses any worth. This is what will happen if everyone would do like you.
/Ki
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Roshan longshot
Gallente Order of the Arrow
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:40:00 -
[56]
Oh come on now, your trying to get people to beleave in this pledge?
What does this prove? Nothing as far as I can see. Whats holding you to this pledge?
Me If I am caught with my shorts down...so be it. But dont expect anyone to really beleave this hype.....
Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter pirate or mixture of them all.
[i]As read from the original box.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:46:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Ki An
You don't owe anyone a favor, but you need to learn to respect other people.
Is blowing up every lone traveller in a 10 man blob "respecting them"?
Originally by: Ki An EVE is not a single-player game. It's a community driven multiplayer-game. You chose to flip off everyone an say "I'll play as I want", and in doing so, you are essentially demonstrating your bad character and failure to adhere to social structures.
The community chose its own level. I am absolutely staggered that gate camping for any reason other than territorial defence or war strategy became an accepted norm. They are saying "I'll play as I want", so I take my cue from them. Chicken & Egg. Well, they came first. I respond to lame with more lame.
Originally by: Ki An This has nothing to do with RL, and I do not insinuate that you are somehow a bad person there. However, in EVE you simply chose to cheat, just because you can get away with it.
I appreciate that. Remarkably diplomatic for a forum post. Quite unusual.
The doomsday prophecy bit was a tad extreme. There can be destruction without resorting seriously lame gate camping. Again I stress how sad it is to see an open ended game like Eve get dragged down to the levels it has, where killing as much as possible, as fast as possible, with as little risk as possible, when the opportunity to have a much cleaner society had existed, it tells you a lot about people, and just how much respect they deserve.
Put home addresses in loss and killmails. Maybe then the community will find a way to control themselves a bit better. |
Ki An
Gallente Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2006.10.30 16:49:00 -
[58]
Alright, I must admit my failure to get through to you here. I give up. Continue being lame and maybe CCP will eventually solve this problem. The more open the problem gets, the sooner it should be fixed, so, thanks for that I guess.
/Ki
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Ma'lice
Minmatar Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.30 17:03:00 -
[59]
In any case, PLEDGED.
Although, Logging out is never an option. My loss record would validate the definitiveness of that.
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
And I'll whine all I like, I pay to use this forum, and I will use it. At least until you need to gang up to post here. |
Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.30 17:06:00 -
[60]
I /sign such a pledge. -----------------------------------------------
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T'Renn
Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.30 17:42:00 -
[61]
I have been station camped for three days trying to make a trip somewhere. In recent previous attempts I lost my first 2 (and only owned ever) megathrons to gatecamps - even after properly scouting. Apparently in one of them there was a covops ship at the gate on the other side of the system and when they saw me approaching to jump through they all logged on at once at the other side and the disruption field went up - making scouting pointless.
Yes they logged on to kill me. No I did not log off to avoid dying.
I abhor logoff tactics and people who use them. I have never used them and never will - even if I did lose 150 million in modules (and about 16 hours of game time procuring said modules) in one 24 hour period. Yes it aggravates me that I've owned two megathrons and never fired a shot with either, but to be honest that's part of the game. I don't need to cheat to win. Others like to cheat because a kill is a kill, but I prefer to get mine the old fashioned way.
I'll get to my destination eventually. I've got patience - something loggers don't have. People are free to live without honor in Eve - just do me a favor and don't call it tactics. -- Eh... 24k? I can't make a sig that doesn't suck and keep it under 24k. Oh well.
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Rayvonuk
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Posted - 2006.10.30 19:32:00 -
[62]
/pledge
I find it funny that idiots such as Gavan blands dont actually understand why people have to do gatecamps. how are people suppose to protect their space ? some people eh
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Anfelina Adante
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.10.30 19:45:00 -
[63]
Never have and I pledge not to.
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Itaro Flagg
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.10.30 20:00:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Itaro Flagg on 30/10/2006 20:20:23
Originally by: James Lyrus "I, Itaro Flagg, do solemnly swear that I consider log in and log out to be separate from game mechanics.
I shall log off only when I am finished playing, and shall, as far as is possible, only do so when I am somewhere safe, in that it would be improbable that someone would accidentally find (and kill) me if I stayed logged in.
Given that I am logged off somewhere safe and convenient, I will therefore not use my logging on to create an ambush."
Boo logoff/login tactics
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2006.10.30 20:53:00 -
[65]
Pledged, signed, sealed.
And I also hope that CCP adjusts their rules and the mechanics of logoff/logon to make it more difficult to use as an exploit. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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Veryl
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Posted - 2006.10.30 21:36:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Rayvonuk
I find it funny that idiots such as Gavan blands dont actually understand why people have to do gatecamps. how are people suppose to protect their space ?
Why does everyone immediately equate "gate camps" with "defending space"? There are PLENTY of lame griefers that setup in Empire low-sec systems where defending space has nothing to do with their motivation.
They are just like little kiddies, dancing around on the sidewalk and stepping on ants and other bugs. Their only motivation is killing others, usually those who do not represent even the slightest challenge for them.
I can see both sides of the debate here, but get very tired of the automatic assumption that gate camps equate to defending territory. I think many of the posters here have been in 0.0 so long that they may have forgotten what it's like in Empire space.
I often read people saying "Eve is about risk" - it certainly is. But setting up with 3 battleships in a 0.4 system, next to a newbie starter system, or next to a system where people obtain level 2 missions is not assuming risk - it's cowardly behavior and nothing less.
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Nikolus Wrighte
Caldari JuBa Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.30 22:01:00 -
[67]
"I, Nikolus Wrighte, do solemnly swear that I consider log in and log out to be separate from game mechanics.
I shall log off only when I am finished playing, and shall, as far as is possible, only do so when I am somewhere safe, in that it would be improbable that someone would accidentally find (and kill) me if I stayed logged in.
Given that I am logged off somewhere safe and convenient, I will therefore not use my logging on to create an ambush."
what? So i used copy and paste. Moderators. sign my sig or the kitten gets it! |
Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2006.10.30 22:01:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Rayvonuk /pledge
I find it funny that idiots such as Gavan blands dont actually understand why people have to do gatecamps. how are people suppose to protect their space ? some people eh
Protect their space in .4? There is no "My space" in .4 friend...
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Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2006.10.30 22:01:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Gaven Blands Edited by: Gaven Blands on 30/10/2006 13:25:02
Originally by: James Lyrus
If you leave a game of chess halfway through you forfeit.
This is common CAMPer rhetoric.
In chess, you have a go after your opponent, and you have to MOVE. Camping is no option. But thanks for the worthless comparison. It so NEARLY convinced me to jump into the nearest CAMP and offer myself as a sacrifice to the virgins.
Very nice man, I like. Although i don't usually log off, I think I will very much start to.
This is due to couple of recent events in low sec, where I have been ambushed by log on's after the initial intys have scrambled me. Unfortunately for them I had bombs and broke away. I still consider this a lame attack tactick to unbalance the odds to 7 vs 1. At least have the balls to be in local before attacking. Lame asses !
Oh yeah, so next time, I'll simply log off, much like they logged on on me. I think it's only fair!
As for the ganks.. it is plain stupid. Ganking in .3 with your -10 buddies,, aaahh uuuhhh we're uber.. we're the f-ing great. Well you're not. So next time when people simply pass through, they will eigher use a shuttle to scout you out or simply log off. There's really no reason to lose a 200mil ship as is there no honor of killing a ship in 4+v1 odds.
Apparently it is all about maximizing the profit in Eve, so.. so be it!
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Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2006.10.30 22:03:00 -
[70]
Originally by: T'Renn I have been station camped for three days trying to make a trip somewhere. In recent previous attempts I lost my first 2 (and only owned ever) megathrons to gatecamps - even after properly scouting. Apparently in one of them there was a covops ship at the gate on the other side of the system and when they saw me approaching to jump through they all logged on at once at the other side and the disruption field went up - making scouting pointless.
Yes they logged on to kill me. No I did not log off to avoid dying.
I abhor logoff tactics and people who use them. I have never used them and never will - even if I did lose 150 million in modules (and about 16 hours of game time procuring said modules) in one 24 hour period. Yes it aggravates me that I've owned two megathrons and never fired a shot with either, but to be honest that's part of the game. I don't need to cheat to win. Others like to cheat because a kill is a kill, but I prefer to get mine the old fashioned way.
I'll get to my destination eventually. I've got patience - something loggers don't have. People are free to live without honor in Eve - just do me a favor and don't call it tactics.
Well you apparently enjoy endless mining/missions/ratting/R&D-ing for no apparent reasons only to benefit other players. Probably this is fun for some. Not for me!
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Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2006.10.30 22:04:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Black Scorpio
Originally by: Rayvonuk /pledge
I find it funny that idiots such as Gavan blands dont actually understand why people have to do gatecamps. how are people suppose to protect their space ? some people eh
Protect their space in .4? There is no "My space" in .4 friend...
Sure there is. Just like in 0.0... I've got the guns, so it's my space. You see anyone else with a gun? No? OK then. Who's going to argue? ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
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Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2006.10.30 22:05:00 -
[72]
In conclusion I will pledge for sure as I am doing up to now, the moment CCP prevent "wannabe pirates" from blogging people due to synchronized logons and logoffs when they see the fat end of the stick.
Then I will gladly revert to regular game mechanics!
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Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2006.10.30 22:07:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Locke DieDrake
Originally by: Black Scorpio
Originally by: Rayvonuk /pledge
I find it funny that idiots such as Gavan blands dont actually understand why people have to do gatecamps. how are people suppose to protect their space ? some people eh
Protect their space in .4? There is no "My space" in .4 friend...
Sure there is. Just like in 0.0... I've got the guns, so it's my space. You see anyone else with a gun? No? OK then. Who's going to argue?
Dude, sure you can hold off a system for a day or two, maybe a week, that will be all. Eventually you'll be jumped by a 'slighly' more potent group of people, that will make you feel sorry you said it's 'your' system. In 0.0 it's not that simple!
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Novan Leon
Caldari Goat Raiders
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Posted - 2006.10.30 22:22:00 -
[74]
I pledge I will not use logging as a game mechanic for avoiding conflict EXCEPT when jumping through a gate into another system.
If I'm cloaked and no other players are aware of my presence, I feel I have full authority to log-in and out as I see fit (until CCP provides an acceptable alternative).
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Mak'shar Karrde
Minmatar UK Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.31 01:14:00 -
[75]
I would rather lose all my in-game wealth in .3 seconds than log-out to save myself.
So I pledge that stuff in the Op too.
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2006.10.31 02:01:00 -
[76]
I ThaMa Gebir, do solemnly swear that I will follow the precedent put forth by fellow capsuleer James Lyrus. (ISS, Lyrus Associates).
Even in my usual setting of being completely outgunned and insanely outnumbered and death is the only certainty, I shall (in the appropriate channels) scream my RDEX Roughnecks war scream and pop in dignity and glory.
I will not go quietly into the night, rather shall re-group at the clonevats.
There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus pwnt - Immy
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ZEN ichiro
Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.31 02:10:00 -
[77]
/signed
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.31 09:01:00 -
[78]
Edited by: James Lyrus on 31/10/2006 09:01:49
Originally by: Novan Leon I pledge I will not use logging as a game mechanic for avoiding conflict EXCEPT when jumping through a gate into another system.
If I'm cloaked and no other players are aware of my presence, I feel I have full authority to log-in and out as I see fit (until CCP provides an acceptable alternative).
You'd log from gatecloak? Despite the fact that they've set a trap for you, and quite possibly had a scout in the previous system? Why exactly?
Or do you mean finding a safespot, cloaking there and then logging? That's actually less an issue IMO - they wouldn't be able to find you anyway.
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.31 09:15:00 -
[79]
The pledge is a good idea, but somehow I feel it would be more effective if it targeted corporations rather than individuals.
Since Coreli has a zero tolerance policy on loggin/logoff tactics already it doesn't cost me a lot to /signed. -----
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Frogzuk
Dragonian Freelancers
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Posted - 2006.10.31 11:30:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Lo3d3R Edited by: Lo3d3R on 30/10/2006 15:13:18
solution: every corp/alliance member that logs in, in the same system within the same minute of the previous one to log in gets a minute delay of warping to last point when in space or undocking. This minute wait will add up to every new corp/alliance member that enters system within said minute.
so if 30 people log on at the same place at the same time, no. 14 will have to wait 13 minutes before he can do anything.
the 1 minute rule could also be 30 seconds or whatever, in any normal situation of loggin on and off this could in the worst case cause a small waiting periode, but hey like i said the factor doesnt have to be a minute. Or the stacking penalty only starts from 5 or more a the same time, the possibility's are endless.
so a stacking penalty for simeltanious logging on in the same system for corp/alliance members.
Thats one of the best ideas i have heard in a while and would solve the issue of ctd !
I sign the pledge too !
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Taram Caldar
Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.10.31 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Hano 137 Better to go down fighting rather than this chicken livered running away nonsense. Nelson's last signal at Trafalgar was 'Engage The Enemy More Closely!' which is as good a motto as any. Ok so we lose a few ships here and there, but I'd rather keep my self respect.
Personally I prefer Patton's Quote: "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." - Attributed to General George Patton Jr
Now... I don't use logoff tactics. But telling people to 'fight no matter what' is just stupid.
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Taram Caldar
Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.10.31 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An Alright, I must admit my failure to get through to you here. I give up. Continue being lame and maybe CCP will eventually solve this problem. The more open the problem gets, the sooner it should be fixed, so, thanks for that I guess.
/Ki
Just a point: I don't, and never will, use logoff tactics. That said please explain how it's "lame" to not want to engage in a suicidal fight? People don't enjoy being blown up. Much as you'd like them to. People don't enjoy spending hours refitting their ships/etc. (yes preparation can reduce that time but still).
Like I said... I've never dropped link or logged off. But I can certainly understand WHY people to it. Insulting him for it is just silly. He's no more lame than the group of 5-6 people who throw a bubble up for no reason other than to gank every unsuspecting newb that happens by. And usually they are in their 4xStabbed snipers outside the bubble so they can get away if any force strong enough happens to bounce in.
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Ki An
Gallente Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2006.10.31 13:09:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Taram Caldar
Originally by: Ki An stuff
Just a point: I don't, and never will, use logoff tactics. That said please explain how it's "lame" to not want to engage in a suicidal fight? People don't enjoy being blown up. Much as you'd like them to. People don't enjoy spending hours refitting their ships/etc. (yes preparation can reduce that time but still).
Like I said... I've never dropped link or logged off. But I can certainly understand WHY people to it. Insulting him for it is just silly. He's no more lame than the group of 5-6 people who throw a bubble up for no reason other than to gank every unsuspecting newb that happens by. And usually they are in their 4xStabbed snipers outside the bubble so they can get away if any force strong enough happens to bounce in.
*Sighs* Well, if you don't understand why it is lame and cheating to log off when jumped, you'll probably not understand it after I've tried to explain to you anyway, but as I like slamming my head in brick walls, here goes.
It is not lame to not want to engage in a suicide fight. It is, however both lame and cheating to, when ambushed by prepared players, use an out-of-game mechanic to safe your pixels. That is disrespectful to the ambushers, to all users of EVE's market and to other people destroyed by gate-camps. The people in the camp has used in-game methods to catch you. You where not paying attention, and so you got caught.
I would agree with you that it is kind of stupid to engage a blob of enemies when heavily outnumbered, but then you would probably have a choice not to. In the case of logging out of bubbles, or when scouted out on a safe-spot or in a sniper-camp or whatever, you have already failed to avoid your enemy, and as such, they have won, and you take away their victory by logging. I hope you understand why I think this is lame.
/Disclaimer: In this post, instead of "the one who logs" I have put "you". I do not insinuate that YOU would log in combat.
/Ki
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Taram Caldar
Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.10.31 13:13:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Taram Caldar
Originally by: Ki An stuff
Just a point: I don't, and never will, use logoff tactics. That said please explain how it's "lame" to not want to engage in a suicidal fight? People don't enjoy being blown up. Much as you'd like them to. People don't enjoy spending hours refitting their ships/etc. (yes preparation can reduce that time but still).
Like I said... I've never dropped link or logged off. But I can certainly understand WHY people to it. Insulting him for it is just silly. He's no more lame than the group of 5-6 people who throw a bubble up for no reason other than to gank every unsuspecting newb that happens by. And usually they are in their 4xStabbed snipers outside the bubble so they can get away if any force strong enough happens to bounce in.
*Sighs* Well, if you don't understand why it is lame and cheating to log off when jumped, you'll probably not understand it after I've tried to explain to you anyway, but as I like slamming my head in brick walls, here goes.
It is not lame to not want to engage in a suicide fight. It is, however both lame and cheating to, when ambushed by prepared players, use an out-of-game mechanic to safe your pixels. That is disrespectful to the ambushers, to all users of EVE's market and to other people destroyed by gate-camps. The people in the camp has used in-game methods to catch you. You where not paying attention, and so you got caught.
I would agree with you that it is kind of stupid to engage a blob of enemies when heavily outnumbered, but then you would probably have a choice not to. In the case of logging out of bubbles, or when scouted out on a safe-spot or in a sniper-camp or whatever, you have already failed to avoid your enemy, and as such, they have won, and you take away their victory by logging. I hope you understand why I think this is lame.
/Disclaimer: In this post, instead of "the one who logs" I have put "you". I do not insinuate that YOU would log in combat.
/Ki
I can buy off on that. But I still understand why people do it. Bottom line: Nothing you or I says is going to stop those who choose to log off from doing so. Onlly CCP can fix this by making bubbles prevent emergency warp. It's not like that can't be done. Scramblers already prevent it.
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Lubomir Penev
Gallente Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2006.10.31 14:14:00 -
[85]
Originally by: James Lyrus
nor notice the 'recent kills' on the map
Am I the only one finding the 'recent kills' taking a lot of time to update on the map? As an experiment take a system where no killing happened recently and blow a ship up. From my experience it can take as long as 20 minutes to update, time to get a hell lots of kill for a good camp.
Last time I died (podded, don't mind the ship losses ;-)), I was trying to make it to Outer Ring from Syndicate and stumbled on a camp in a system that looked clear on the map. But then maybe I was the first caught in it.
And about scouting, I don't think using a sacrificial lamb alt make sense from a roleplay point of view, not counting the logistics of quiting game logging to your alt etc, especially as the cluster does not always get you in immediately.
The whole emergency warpout, getting back ther on reconnection mechanism is inviting abuse anyway, people may log off less if login traps where not possible.
/me takes the pledge, but mostly because he's too busy looking for the best warpable object to think of logging out ;-)
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente CURSED LEGION OF DOOM Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.31 21:40:00 -
[86]
/pledge
The Best Thing I've ever seen in local chat [15:17:21] sotmassacer > can someone give me a big battleship for a while
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Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2006.10.31 22:06:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Lubomir Penev
Originally by: James Lyrus
nor notice the 'recent kills' on the map
Am I the only one finding the 'recent kills' taking a lot of time to update on the map? As an experiment take a system where no killing happened recently and blow a ship up. From my experience it can take as long as 20 minutes to update, time to get a hell lots of kill for a good camp.
Last time I died (podded, don't mind the ship losses ;-)), I was trying to make it to Outer Ring from Syndicate and stumbled on a camp in a system that looked clear on the map. But then maybe I was the first caught in it.
And about scouting, I don't think using a sacrificial lamb alt make sense from a roleplay point of view, not counting the logistics of quiting game logging to your alt etc, especially as the cluster does not always get you in immediately.
The whole emergency warpout, getting back ther on reconnection mechanism is inviting abuse anyway, people may log off less if login traps where not possible.
/me takes the pledge, but mostly because he's too busy looking for the best warpable object to think of logging out ;-)
Precisely, when I am given a game that works off a 1sec or less lag, and updates real time, then I can be expected to fully utilize the tools in it.
Im my example, last time it took me to select a second target at a gate camp took me 25 sec. close to the time it took to get my ship blown up.
I guess lag counts also as a gate mechanic for the campers.. oh wait, the ambushers that I should respect.. ahahahahhaha.. i still can't get over that .. ahhahhahhahhahahhhh
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.10.31 22:17:00 -
[88]
I pledge that CCP should get it over with and just fix this ****.
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Beef Hardslab
AlphaHivE New Eden Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.31 22:29:00 -
[89]
I never have and never will log out to save my arse. I've been ganked for what meager things a newb such as I have earned in my few months, but I just sit there and take it. Not that I had much choice, mind you.
One thing I do have to note here... It's silly to make the argument that logging out is metagaming and in the same breath speak of using alt scouts to avoid the camps in the first place. Makes one look rather ignorant.
Logging is lame... irregardless of metagaming.
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Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2006.10.31 22:31:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Beef Hardslab I never have and never will log out to save my arse. I've been ganked for what meager things a newb such as I have earned in my few months, but I just sit there and take it. Not that I had much choice, mind you.
One thing I do have to note here... It's silly to make the argument that logging out is metagaming and in the same breath speak of using alt scouts to avoid the camps in the first place. Makes one look rather ignorant.
Logging is lame... irregardless of metagaming.
You apparently like taking it from behind from gate campers, hope you're not same way in RL for your own's sake...
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Ki An
Gallente Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2006.10.31 22:36:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Black Scorpio
AAHAHAHhahaHAHAHAHHAa,,, oohhh ... aahahahahha, no more air.. ahahhahahha.......
Disrespectful to the ambushers... ahahhahhahhahahhahhhhahhha... that was the most stupid thing EVER !!!!... ahh aaahahhah.. hhahhahahahhah
Sad. Really sad.
/Ki
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Beef Hardslab
AlphaHivE New Eden Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.31 22:39:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Black Scorpio You apparently like taking it from behind from gate campers, hope you're not same way in RL for your own's sake...
LOL Oh no, I don't like it one bit. I have an in-game note with the names of everyone who has ever ganked me. Sooner or later, I will laugh last.
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Kraven Kor
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2006.10.31 22:52:00 -
[93]
Not that anyone will ever really know that I did this, but here:
"I, Kraven Kor, do solemnly swear that I consider log in and log out to be separate from game mechanics.
I shall log off only when I am finished playing, and shall, as far as is possible, only do so when I am somewhere safe, in that it would be improbable that someone would accidentally find (and kill) me if I stayed logged in.
Given that I am logged off somewhere safe and convenient, I will therefore not use my logging on to create an ambush."
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Rowan Mayfair
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Posted - 2006.10.31 23:00:00 -
[94]
I pledge to use any and all tactics to bring down those who prey on the weak. I will bring the lame to the lamers. I will sink below their level, grab them by the ankles and make them choke on my depraved celebration of the utterly lame. I will make them whine, cry, **** and moan.
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.01 00:34:00 -
[95]
I won't ever log in a fight, or break a ransom, or backstab a corp, etc...
I will however pirate to my heart's extent within the game's mechnics.
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CamMan
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.01 02:47:00 -
[96]
Pledged
Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
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Spaja Saist
Gallente Knights of Retribution
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Posted - 2006.11.01 04:18:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Black Scorpio
Originally by: Beef Hardslab I never have and never will log out to save my arse. I've been ganked for what meager things a newb such as I have earned in my few months, but I just sit there and take it. Not that I had much choice, mind you.
One thing I do have to note here... It's silly to make the argument that logging out is metagaming and in the same breath speak of using alt scouts to avoid the camps in the first place. Makes one look rather ignorant.
Logging is lame... irregardless of metagaming.
You apparently like taking it from behind from gate campers, hope you're not same way in RL for your own's sake...
Tell me oh wise forum mods that I despise. Why is this guy still allowed to post when he just made a homophobic statement? I have noticed that in this game making fun of someones sexuality is tolerate by the GMs and forum mods alike.
Oh and signed to the pledge. I notice no RA or AAA in here.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.01 05:04:00 -
[98]
Originally by: James Lyrus "I, James Lyrus, do solemnly swear that I consider log in and log out to be separate from game mechanics.
I shall log off only when I am finished playing, and shall, as far as is possible, only do so when I am somewhere safe, in that it would be improbable that someone would accidentally find (and kill) me if I stayed logged in.
Given that I am logged off somewhere safe and convenient, I will therefore not use my logging on to create an ambush."
I pledge the same with the addition that if I do CTD / Lock-up in combat or after a jump I will log right back in and face my fate like a player of games.
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NewYorker
Minmatar Sleepy Willow Brook
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Posted - 2006.11.01 05:08:00 -
[99]
Edited by: NewYorker on 01/11/2006 05:08:08 You guys whining about the logoffski technique is making me wet my pants.
The CCP seem to condone the behavior and haven't attempted to address it. Considering that fact, please refrain from calling it a cheat. It is part of the game mechanic for people to use as are the bubbles.
Proposing a social change in the game mechanic and throwing a fit when others disagree is ridiculous. Going to the level of asking the heretic to leave the game, when you aren't a owning interest in the game itself...
I can see all these self-righteous players setting up the bubble and waiting for newbies (not just enemies) to fall victim to their trap. Keeping a safe distance while sniping them in their overpowering ships(which costs a fraction of what it would cost their newbie victim to replace...including fittings). Drooling stopping only to fight each other to post the kill in their respective killboard.
When setting up bubble camps, make sure a few of your friends are tacklers with scramblers. Boo hoo
I swear to use logoffski with all my characters til its against the rules!!!
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Quinn Oron
The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.01 08:03:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Crovan I so pledge, and also wish to state my belief that Mr. Lyrus is a sexy beast.
What he said. It is our duty, as men of ho-nar.
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Rick Dentill
Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.01 08:23:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Rick Dentill on 01/11/2006 08:23:39 I the undersigned do solemnly promise to you my family, more quality time spent together as one. Catching up, chatting about the stuff of life, doing what families do. Which is why I make this pledge. To change my routine and set aside ONE NIGHT A WEEK where I leave work on time/come home on time and sit up at the table, eating proper food with a PROPER GRAVY. TOGETHER WITH YOU, MY FAMILY, MY OWN. And so henceforth, from this day forward, this night will be 'AAH NIGHT'
Rick Dentill
ooops sorry wrong pledge. /signed _______
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Trigger64
Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.01 22:26:00 -
[102]
/signed
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DefJam101
Gallente Praxiteles Inc. E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.11.01 22:30:00 -
[103]
I, DefJam101, do solemnly swear that I log in and out to be seperate from game mechanics.
Take this you 0.0 bubblecamps!!!!! AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR *charges in with small Tech 1 frigate hybrids*
...although you probably could've just done a barrel roll. ***
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Syrann
Caldari The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.01 22:32:00 -
[104]
/signed
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R3dSh1ft
Caldari FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.01 22:34:00 -
[105]
/signed
respects ______________________________________
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Something Random
Gallente Crusader Naval Technologies Lmtd
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Posted - 2006.11.01 22:41:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Shadowsword If I ever find myself outnumbered inside a bubble, with a combat ship, I shall type BANZAI! in local, and engage the enemy.
AMEN
Who's wants cookies ?
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Redemption Jones
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.01 22:49:00 -
[107]
I'll happily take that pledge.
Pirates will always find some way to jump the unsuspecting (says I as someone who's happily participated in a gate camp or several in my time), but that's an in-game mechanic, and I'll use all the in-game mechanics at my disposal to avoid 'em. If I get caught out from time to time, so be it. I see gate camps as the equivalent of the RL 'dark alley' ambush. You can carry a torch, use the well-lit but longer route, or you can take a chance...
R.J.
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G'Kar Nomad
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:06:00 -
[108]
Edited by: G''Kar Nomad on 01/11/2006 23:06:52 When you're dealing with gate camping scum, it's by ANY means necessary! If CCP says log-outs are not against the ToS, then I'm going to town with that! It's been great fun ****ing off PK scum camping at gates, and no amount of begging or whinning will get me to stop!
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Flitz Farseeker
Gallente Eve guardians
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:10:00 -
[109]
I, Flitz Farseeker, do solemnly swear that I consider log in and log out to be separate from game mechanics.
I shall log off only when I am finished playing, and shall, as far as is possible, only do so when I am somewhere safe, in that it would be improbable that someone would accidentally find (and kill) me if I stayed logged in.
Given that I am logged off somewhere safe and convenient, I will therefore not use my logging on to create an ambush.
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Essential 12939
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:28:00 -
[110]
I Essential 12939 consider logging off to be separate from game mechanics. But I consider low sec gate campers to be the lowest form of scum that ever had the indecency to populate a community. For them, no loss of self respect is too high a price to pay. Defend territory, or wait for war targets are quite possibly the only two possible excuses for resorting to such pathetic and weak minded tactics in the low sec and zero sec areas.
And suicide ganking for isk is probably the only acceptable high sec arrangement,
Quite how any of you got to the point of doing it, agreeing with it being uber, and supporting those who do it is frankly amazing. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Perhaps somebody should arrange a "Log Off on a Camper Week". Nobody waiting for war targets or defending territory is going to be too mad should somebody pull the stunt on an invalid target, but the amount of misery that could be created in a week could only be a tiny retalliation for the wasted time, misery and just general inconvenience these weak players have inflicted on everybody else for way too long.
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Tavor Jeager
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:46:00 -
[111]
A most honourable sentiment, I vow to abide by this.
Tavor Jeager Tahiri Warrior |
Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn Placid Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.02 07:39:00 -
[112]
I find it silly to even consider that tactics and would be highly annoyed if someone pulled it on me, thus I will never do it to someone else.
Corporation RP channel: "PlacidReborn" |
Nicholai Pestot
Gallente Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.02 08:56:00 -
[113]
/pledge
Though i do think i should point out that log-on tactics simulate what this game would be like without local. Im not advocating log on tactics (scummeh! ) but its food for thought ________________ What you do is you store up the rage, let it fester while you gain strength, then use it to gank those weaker than you... and so the circle of life is complete |
Kazan Bho
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.02 09:08:00 -
[114]
Edited by: Kazan Bho on 02/11/2006 09:07:54 /pledge.
I only log out of the game when I have finished playing. If I am in the middle of a fight (even one I am losing), I HAVEN'T FINISHED PLAYING!
Kazan Bho Proud Tahiri Warrior of the Ushra'Khan
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David H'Levi
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.11.02 09:09:00 -
[115]
I pledge my life for Aiur and Shamis. Shamis says we're forbidden from logging into or out of combat, so by the transitive property of mathematics, I pledge my life to your pledge-y-mado.
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Mr Neutron
Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.02 10:21:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Mr Neutron on 02/11/2006 10:23:15 Edited by: Mr Neutron on 02/11/2006 10:22:09 We, the brave bunch of BRUCEs do not use such low tactics as log on/off. If you will use such tactics when fighting against us, you will land on our priority target list and we will put a lot of extra effort in huntig you down whenever we see you.
Although we do hunt outlaws and pirates in lowsec systems where we reside we do have respect for privateers that fight using fair game mechanics.
Gate camping is perfectly fair wherever it's done (if not using log on). There are ways to avoid it. If a noob is catched by one he is supposed to learn something from it. Stay in high sec or learn the game.
strength & honour
Mr Neutron ---- Take my love, take my land Take me where I cannot stand I don't care, I'm still free You can't take the sky from me |
Trahern Twrgadarn
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Posted - 2006.11.02 10:59:00 -
[117]
I've always and will always go down with my ship, doing otherwise would kill eve for me.
Quote: Creana > u`r momma is so fat , that BOB mistaken her for a region and claimed her
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Garrick Konquero
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Posted - 2006.11.02 12:07:00 -
[118]
I pledge.
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Shiraz Merlot
Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.02 13:22:00 -
[119]
I pledge to log off when I **** well feel like it, including in a bubble if necessary, and all you whinging puritan asshats can stick it.
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Helplessandlost
Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:01:00 -
[120]
Edited by: Helplessandlost on 02/11/2006 14:01:07 Hey James since you started it I'm curious whats the tally up to now for and against...
/me hopes people like the above are Razored by their alliance for making such statements
"Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!"
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:15:00 -
[121]
Edited by: SwindonBadger on 02/11/2006 14:17:09 I pledge to pod anyone in my corp that does this and eat them alive that and you can be assured Id never vouche for anyone trying to get into outbreak who does this esp when they brag about it.
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Karass Sayfo
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:29:00 -
[122]
Thread cleaned from blatant trolling and flaming. Please remember to stay on-topic with the opening post, and please remember that replies consisting of only "/signed" is considered spamming. Future replies to this thread that only include "/signed" may be liable to be removed as spam, so please add a more meaningful reply, and why you decide to endorse the original poster's pledge.
Thanks!
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Billy Sastard
Amarr Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:53:00 -
[123]
/pledge
and
Quote: Personally, I'd like to see an after-effect if you log on in space. For example, a sensor recalibration time of 60 or 120 seconds in which you cannot target, warp or activate offensive modules. That would make logon camps ineffective while letting ships that disconnect in the midst of npcs to continue running their tanks when they get back.
^^ QFT ^^ -=^=-
My Bookmarking Guide |
Shiraz Merlot
Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.02 20:12:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Helplessandlost /me hopes people like the above are Razored by their alliance for making such statements
Nothing cuts me like bad peer pressure pledges. What's next, Landmark? Scientology? Brainwashing your friends is fun now?
Use some critical thinking, people, not garbage statements like this pompous rubbish.
/sm
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SonOTassadar
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.02 20:21:00 -
[125]
I, Sir SonOTassadar, do solemnly swear to abide by the same terms set forth by James Lyrus'
Should I find myself outnumbered and outgunned, I will fight my way through, or die trying. ----- Griffin -- 100,000 ISK ECM - Multispectral Jammer Is -- 20,000 ISK Standar Missile Launcher Is -- 10,000 ISK War target sobbing over losing a fight in his T2 fitted Battleship -- priceless |
Elvarien
Caldari The Night's Watch THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2006.11.02 22:24:00 -
[126]
/pledge
unfortunately intenret pledgings have little worth. >----
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StarCasher
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.03 18:22:00 -
[127]
O/
I have never and will never use the log off or log in trick. On my honor i do pledge.
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Arondor
GalacTECH Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.11.03 18:28:00 -
[128]
/signed
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RedClaws
Amarr Dragon's Rage Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.03 18:32:00 -
[129]
Yup i'm in
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Khan Farshatok
Caldari Occam's Razor Combine Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.03 22:30:00 -
[130]
Never did and never will use this questionable tactics.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.03 23:03:00 -
[131]
We need an emergency warp button :/. People log out to emergency warp all the time.
Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources. |
Darksaber64x
Ecchi co.
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Posted - 2006.11.03 23:12:00 -
[132]
I pledge to never log out to avoid pvp, unless I'm in a station... which I don't think counts.
I don't think I'll ever attack a random person in my eve playtime, I couldn't handle the guilt it would bring to me. But I find that people copping out and just logging off instead of finding REAL ways to avoid a death is pathetic. Accept the loss, try something else. You aren't forced into pvp encounters.
You choose to go into lowsec.
If you run into your first gate camp, shame on the camper.
If you run into your second gate camp, shame on you.
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Turas Kain
Minmatar Dark Moon Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.03 23:57:00 -
[133]
I, Turas Kain, also agree to the pledge. For what little its worth.
I will however log out if I am camped in a system at a safe after any aggro timers wear down, and take a break for a few hours (days). Not sure fully how this fits in with the pledge but this is as close to logging off as I get.
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Brock Armstrong
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Posted - 2006.11.06 20:53:00 -
[134]
Why not add a 30 or 60 second countdown if you logoff while in space? Other MMO's have a similar mechanism for exactly the same reason. If you activate any modules or try to move, the timer resets.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.07 08:45:00 -
[135]
Edited by: James Lyrus on 07/11/2006 08:50:44
Originally by: Nyphur We need an emergency warp button :/. People log out to emergency warp all the time.
I've debated the point with you several times - I still don't consider 'quitting client' to be a fair part of game play. You're probably right, 'emergency warp' would be quite handy, but really how's that different from warping to 'something' in system?
Unless it's the 'disappears and becomes invulnerable' part, which is the bit I take objection to.
Originally by: Brock Armstrong Why not add a 30 or 60 second countdown if you logoff while in space? Other MMO's have a similar mechanism for exactly the same reason. If you activate any modules or try to move, the timer resets.
There's a lot of mechanics that could be implemented around the logging in and out. Each has pros and cons. Fundamentally though, people do have to log out when real life calls. So there must always be a mechanism, and if there is one, then there will be a measure of abuse.
Which is part of the point of starting the thread in the first place - to make it known to EVE players that there are many who consider logging off inappropriate gameplay.
Originally by: Shiraz Merlot
Originally by: Helplessandlost /me hopes people like the above are Razored by their alliance for making such statements
Nothing cuts me like bad peer pressure pledges. What's next, Landmark? Scientology? Brainwashing your friends is fun now?
Use some critical thinking, people, not garbage statements like this pompous rubbish.
/sm
Given I started the thread, I feel I should respond. Peer pressure you say is a bad thing? Do you think that because it's not illegal to do something, you should therefore do it?
Do you dress up to go out with friends, to a nice restaurant? That's peer pressure too. After all, clearly jeans and a t-shirt is more comfortable.
Now, in MY OPINION logging out of EVE to avoid combat for for some metagame reason is wrong. Much like urinating in the street. Chances are that if you've never done the latter, it's not because you're worried that the police might take exception, it's much more likely because it's just not the 'done thing'.
Online games have more anonymity, more 'I can do what I like' and less traceability. I can't stop you from doing something I don't like. I can make it clear that I consider it unacceptable, in the hopes that will modify your behaviour next time.
In a general sense, there's all kind of 'lame' in EVE. The difference is that all of them, apart from logging off use in game facilities to achieve an effect. If you want to cloak, you get sensor penalties. If you want to fit stabs, they take slots and CPU (and soon also sensor penalties). If you want to log off, it takes ... nothing at all.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2006.11.07 12:16:00 -
[136]
Originally by: James Lyrus The difference is that all of them, apart from logging off use in game facilities to achieve an effect. If you want to cloak, you get sensor penalties. If you want to fit stabs, they take slots and CPU (and soon also sensor penalties). If you want to log off, it takes ... nothing at all.
I've also heard that some evil HAXPLOIT METAGAMING SCUM are running low sec milk delivery missions in the first few minutes after DT before the gate campers get the last tent pegs in.
CCP should put a stop to that too. It takes no skill, and it's super lame. Nobody should be allowed to use a Jump Gate unless it is camped on at least one end, yeah, that should do it.
Put home addresses in loss and killmails. Maybe then the community will find a way to control themselves a bit better. |
Hyoid
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Posted - 2006.11.07 13:33:00 -
[137]
I pledge not to log out when the fight is fair, i also pledge to logout when im getting ganked agan by 6 gatecamped BC in my shuttle.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.07 13:49:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Gaven Blands
Originally by: James Lyrus The difference is that all of them, apart from logging off use in game facilities to achieve an effect. If you want to cloak, you get sensor penalties. If you want to fit stabs, they take slots and CPU (and soon also sensor penalties). If you want to log off, it takes ... nothing at all.
I've also heard that some evil HAXPLOIT METAGAMING SCUM are running low sec milk delivery missions in the first few minutes after DT before the gate campers get the last tent pegs in.
CCP should put a stop to that too. It takes no skill, and it's super lame. Nobody should be allowed to use a Jump Gate unless it is camped on at least one end, yeah, that should do it.
That's an asnine response if ever I saw one. Are you saying that my objections to using metagaming are somehow invalid because of some other form of metagaming?
Or are you trying to imply that I gate camp and just want fish to jump in my net?
Sadly, neither is correct.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2006.11.07 14:10:00 -
[139]
No, I am saying that CCP should stop people logging in before the gate campers who want their cake, everybody elses, and eat it too.
It's not fair on the campers, clearly.
I also believe that gate campers should be able to forcibly log in accounts and forcibly warp them into the camped area without the players consent or knowledge, the sooner CCP do this the better for us all.
Put home addresses in loss and killmails. Maybe then the community will find a way to control themselves a bit better. |
Phyrr
Minmatar The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2006.11.07 15:10:00 -
[140]
I, Phyrr, do solemnly swear that I consider log in and log out separate from game mechanics. I shall log off only when I am finished playing, and shall, as far as is possible, only do so when I am somewhere safe, in that it would be improbable that someone would accidentally find (and kill) me if I stayed logged in.
/me signed
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Blue Rider
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.07 16:10:00 -
[141]
Others' killmails on me attest to my honor
but, to make my game play ethics official I sign this pledge o7
I will only log when RL gets in the way, when my node crashes, or when playing the 'sitting' game is lasting way too long.
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Bhaal
Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.07 16:15:00 -
[142]
Edited by: Bhaal on 07/11/2006 16:16:32 I have not read all of the replies, have any RA peeps made this pledge yet? ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
My Hero I give this sig 3/10 for creativity and 10/10 for having me in it :) - Xorus
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.07 16:15:00 -
[143]
"I, Crumplecorn, do solemnly swear that I consider log in and log out to be separate from game mechanics.
I shall log off only when I am finished playing, and shall, as far as is possible, only do so when I am somewhere safe, in that it would be improbable that someone would accidentally find (and kill) me if I stayed logged in.
Given that I am logged off somewhere safe and convenient, I will therefore not use my logging on to create an ambush." ----------
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Tovran
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2006.11.07 17:40:00 -
[144]
I swear by the same terms as James Lyrus. My main ship atm is named "Defiant Stand" for a reason.
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Bill Harrison
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Posted - 2006.11.07 19:24:00 -
[145]
Still, nobody has explained why we should take a pledge instead of just fixing the broken game mechanics. Make your ship sit vulnerable for 30 or 60 seconds when you logout before it warps away. Why does there have to be a massive debate about an issue so easy to fix?
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Mistress Dana
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Posted - 2006.11.07 23:36:00 -
[146]
I'll log off as soon as the ships gone.... you can bloody well kill it, but not the implants
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Sloth's son
Minmatar Three Kind Buds
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Posted - 2006.11.22 19:48:00 -
[147]
Count me in on this one :)
Just me, my corp and every one around me...
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