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Minmatar Citizen 534612187
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.04.17 17:42:21 -
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I have a choice:
- Go the route of the Mining Barge, Retriever. This will net ~8mil. ISK/h
- Go the route of ninja Gas Mining in the Venture. This can potentially net ~20mil. ISK/h
I'd like to go the route of ninja gas mining, and have done a lot of looking into it. The only problem is, I don't know how viable this actually is. I've read a lot of talk about it, but can't find any statements regarding the likelihood of:
a) Actually finding valuable gas. b) Surviving long enough to mine that gas. c) Surviving the trip back.
If there's a high chance that Venture gas mining won't work, then I'd rather not do it (it'd end up in me spending 24mil. to train the skill, spending another 10mil. to fit a Venture, getting it blown up, then having to mine the money back).
How viable do you folks think ninja mining in a Venture actually is? |
Redael Rats
Darkness Consumed
0
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Posted - 2015.04.17 18:02:28 -
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It depends on where you gas harvest. If you don't mind going into a while and ninja mining the gas sites there you can make upwards of 200m an hour mining c320. However you have to scan down the wh entrance and then the gas site which isn't all that hard even in a heron. Do be aware that the sleepers will spawn about 15 minutes after you activate the site so do be prepared to warp out but in that time you should have made more than enough to pay for your venture and then some. |
Freya Sertan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
39
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Posted - 2015.04.17 19:30:55 -
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Minmatar Citizen 534612187 wrote:I have a choice:
- Go the route of the Mining Barge, Retriever. This will net ~8mil. ISK/h
- Go the route of ninja Gas Mining in the Venture. This can potentially net ~20mil. ISK/h
I'd like to go the route of ninja gas mining, and have done a lot of looking into it. The only problem is, I don't know how viable this actually is. I've read a lot of talk about it, but can't find any statements regarding the likelihood of: a) Actually finding valuable gas. b) Surviving long enough to mine that gas. c) Surviving the trip back. If there's a high chance that Venture gas mining won't work, then I'd rather not do it (it'd end up in me spending 24mil. to train the skill, spending another 10mil. to fit a Venture, getting it blown up, then having to mine the money back). How viable do you folks think ninja mining in a Venture actually is?
60m per Venture of C50. Yeah, it's viable. Day tripping in wormholes, huffing C50 is easy ISK. |
Minmatar Citizen 534612187
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2015.04.17 23:17:58 -
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Holy ****. What are you guys doing to be able to mine gas?
I just lost my 2nd venture and have no money left. I've been as careful as possible, but 9/10 wormholes are highly populated (checked 'em from High-Sec all the way to .5).
I should have bought the retriever. It's been several hours and I'm down 30 mil. plus the couple million of fittings, without a single successful gas run. |
Paranoid Loyd
4782
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Posted - 2015.04.17 23:21:04 -
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Go in through low sec.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23639
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Posted - 2015.04.17 23:27:48 -
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^^ They're using their directional scanner all the time to keep an eye out for incoming ships or probes, and GTFOing to a safe spot when they see other players within a certain range.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Minmatar Citizen 534612187
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2015.04.17 23:32:01 -
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I was D-scanning like mad, following all the rules, wasting most of my time scouting out several wormholes before even trying to harvest in one.I just don't want to waste another day throwing money at getting blown up again without any return. It's difficult for me to raise 10m just to refit something; it takes me hours.
I feel like I've been duped. I am filled with rage. |
Paranoid Loyd
4782
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Posted - 2015.04.17 23:36:01 -
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Calm down, this is a video game and not worth getting worked up over. Just stick with it, it will be worth it once you get it figured out. I will send you a care package when I get home in a few hours to cover your losses.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Minmatar Citizen 534612187
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2015.04.17 23:41:23 -
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It's ok. That's nice of you, but don't worry about it. I'll make everything back in a bit.
It's natural to be annoyed when you spend a lot of time doing something, and it turns out to not work. I was just stomping my feet a little. |
Paranoid Loyd
4782
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Posted - 2015.04.17 23:43:27 -
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Ok, hard to tell over the internet how "filled with rage" someone actually is.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Freya Sertan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
41
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Posted - 2015.04.17 23:45:58 -
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Minmatar Citizen 534612187 wrote:I was D-scanning like mad, following all the rules, wasting most of my time scouting out several wormholes before even trying to harvest in one.I just don't want to waste another day throwing money at getting blown up again without any return. It's difficult for me to raise 10m just to refit something; it takes me hours. I feel like I've been duped. I am filled with rage.
No, not duped at all. D-scan, GTFO skills and, most importantly, situational awareness. These will get you what you need to vacuum space gas. Well, those and patience. Patience enough to track down a good wormhole. Patience enough to scout it for a day or 3 and bookmark the living hell out of it. Patience enough to watch your game and not try to AFK. EVER.
I guess patience is most important.
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Wormhole_Gas_Sites
and
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Gas_Cloud_Mining
Study them, if you haven't already. |
Minmatar Citizen 534612187
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2015.04.17 23:49:53 -
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Oh, ho ho, sir. I've studied the hell out of those.
Thank you, though.
Thanks for your help, guys. I'm going to try to refit another Venture tonight and approach a WH from lowsec. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23639
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Posted - 2015.04.17 23:50:30 -
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If you find a nice WH it may be worthwhile sitting in there with your scanning ship cloaked for a while to gather intel, particularly with regards to when they're active. Other sources of info are corp descriptions, some corps advertise their TZ in their corp description or recruitment threads and killboards can give you an idea of when they play.
I used to spelunk for sleepers and didn't bother pillaging any sites unless I knew there was a good chance the occupants were asleep or at work.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Jan van Riebeeck
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.04.18 04:55:23 -
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On my alt I ninja gas mine almost every day. I get roughly 50 mil per hour (including the travel and scouting time). I havent died once, so maybe you have just been unlucky? I d-scan every 5 seconds and I do not stay in a hole that has players in it. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
7884
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Posted - 2015.04.18 06:50:32 -
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OP... use this kind of fit:
[Venture, New Setup 1] Warp Core Stabilizer I
1MN Afterburner II Medium Shield Extender II EM Ward Amplifier II
Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Hornet EC-300 x2
NOTES:
- if you can't fit Tech 2 stuff, that is okay. Just find and fit the highest equipment you can reasonably purchase
- always keep in motion... never stand still. Orbit anything as close as you can to the object you are mining (jettison a single item from your cargo to create such an object if you have to).
- teach yourself how to impulsively warp to something if someone appears near / next to you (this does require you to fiddle with your overview a bit so you have all the warpable objects you need to click and mash buttons for)
- the tank and drones are there to buy you time. The Afterburner is there in case someone double-scrams you... which is the only way to keep you from warping**
**FYI #1: the Venture has an inherent warp immunity of +2... which means it will require 3 warp disruptors or 2 warp scramblers to prevent you from escaping. With the added warp core stabilizer, you have +3 warp immunity... which means it will require 4 warp disruptors or 2 warp scramblers to prevent you from escaping.
FYI #2: Warp Disruptors and Warp Disruption Bubbles (see: AoE Warp disruptors) will not affect any propulsion module you fit. However a Warp Scrambler can shut down a Microwarpdrive even if you have enough warp core "immunity" to counter it. Afterburners are immune to everything except stasis webifiers.
How did you start?
The SP System
IFW
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1152
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Posted - 2015.04.18 09:02:02 -
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Might actually help us advise what you're doing wrong if you told us how you died instead of just saying "IM DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT, YOU GAIZ LIED TO ME!" |
Man Milk
Ugly Duckling Inc
20
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Posted - 2015.04.18 11:16:11 -
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Simplest solution is to join a corporation that uses/lives inside a wormhole.
Any sites/connections will be scanned down within minutes of them spawning and you will have other people also spamming dscan.
I saw from an earlier post you don't really want to join a player corp but sometimes a small compromise and a bunch of friends will make Eve life much easier.
Stay relaxed and have fun outsmarting the bad guys fella.
Peace. xxx
'Fail we may. Sail we must.'
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2405
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Posted - 2015.04.18 13:40:49 -
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Gas harvesting beats mining when it comes to fun.
The choice is obvious.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Minmatar Citizen 534612187
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2015.04.18 14:15:03 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Gas harvesting beats mining when it comes to fun.
The choice is obvious.
I spent something like 8 hours yesterday roaming the depths of null-sec, finding a wormhole (I'm terrible at scanning, apparently), finding gas within that wormhole; then getting locked in, roaming chains of wormholes connecting to other wormholes with a 20-mil. cargo until I found one that miraculously popped out in High Sec, kind of close to where I wanted to go to sell. It was a huge endeavor; I ran from a lot of people and a lot of sleepers.
If I just stayed steady in a Retriever, I probably would have made more than twice that amount.
But I'd gas harvest over piloting a Retriever any day of the week, ever.
(I also found a new home deep in Null-Sec. I'll have to slowly move my other **** over.) |
13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
96
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Posted - 2015.04.18 14:26:10 -
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If you find the right type of gas, tis very profitable.
Learn your market and all about the pricing on various gasses out there, and you can cherry pick your way to riches. I used to venture WH gas mine solo for giggles and it netted me quite a bit of isk.
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
96
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Posted - 2015.04.18 14:33:38 -
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Minmatar Citizen 534612187 wrote:I was D-scanning like mad, following all the rules, wasting most of my time scouting out several wormholes before even trying to harvest in one.I just don't want to waste another day throwing money at getting blown up again without any return. It's difficult for me to raise 10m just to refit something; it takes me hours. I feel like I've been duped. I am filled with rage.
Honestly, though. You're playing the game for fun, right? Its not all about isk, its about fun. Is it fun to explore, dodge pirates, and maybe make some isk at the end? I feel yes, so I dont afk mine in a hi-sec retriever. And if you lose stuff, just hike up the prices of your goods on market to cover the losses.
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1152
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Posted - 2015.04.18 15:21:25 -
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Minmatar Citizen 534612187 wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Gas harvesting beats mining when it comes to fun.
The choice is obvious. I spent something like 8 hours yesterday roaming the depths of null-sec, finding a wormhole (I'm terrible at scanning, apparently), finding gas within that wormhole; then getting locked in, roaming chains of wormholes connecting to other wormholes with a 20-mil. cargo until I found one that miraculously popped out in High Sec, kind of close to where I wanted to go to sell. It was a huge endeavor; I ran from a lot of people and a lot of sleepers. If I just stayed steady in a Retriever, I probably would have made more than twice that amount. But I'd gas harvest over piloting a Retriever any day of the week, ever. (I also found a new home deep in Null-Sec. I'll have to slowly move my other **** over.)
so you jumped into an end of life wormhole and sucked gas for 20 minutes expecting it to still be up when you got back.
Why do you need to run from sleepers if you're not doing any sites?
Like a lot of what you're writing makes no sense. |
Minmatar Citizen 534612187
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2015.04.18 17:07:38 -
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Some gas sites had spawns there already, and to get a full cargo of gas requires more than one site (thus: more than one encounter with sleepers). I wasn't complaining, I was having a lot of fun.
I feel like you're trying hard to criticize me (for... some reason?) and doing a very bad job at it. |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2569
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Posted - 2015.04.18 18:01:27 -
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Minmatar Citizen 534612187 wrote:Some gas sites had spawns there already, and to get a full cargo of gas requires more than one site (thus: more than one encounter with sleepers). I wasn't complaining, I was having a lot of fun.
I feel like you're trying hard to criticize me (for... some reason?) and doing a very bad job at it. I agree with you. There's many people who are infected with the GD disease. It's a contageous mental disease which befalls you after having continous, daily contact with General Discussions.
It makes you stop thinking ... ... and just reacting to what is written.
Most people who suffer from the GD disease are easily spottable by looking for the main symptom: Hate.
It can express itself in various forms, including hypocrisy, direct attacks and passive aggressiveness.
You have been warned.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Freya Sertan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
41
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Posted - 2015.04.20 16:32:16 -
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Minmatar Citizen 534612187 wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Gas harvesting beats mining when it comes to fun.
The choice is obvious. I spent something like 8 hours yesterday roaming the depths of null-sec, finding a wormhole (I'm terrible at scanning, apparently), finding gas within that wormhole; then getting locked in, roaming chains of wormholes connecting to other wormholes with a 20-mil. cargo until I found one that miraculously popped out in High Sec, kind of close to where I wanted to go to sell. It was a huge endeavor; I ran from a lot of people and a lot of sleepers. If I just stayed steady in a Retriever, I probably would have made more than twice that amount. But I'd gas harvest over piloting a Retriever any day of the week, ever. (I also found a new home deep in Null-Sec. I'll have to slowly move my other **** over.)
Sounds like you're looking for instant gratification kind of ISK making. Mining is right up your alley, then. Gas mining requires patience, like I stated before. You can't just find a WH, pop in and expect to make 50m an hour huffing. You MUST do research of the wormhole, you MUST bookmark it and you MUST be willing to wait a while before making your money.
Going into an unscouted WH, flying to the first gas site you scan down is a surefire way to get blapped. Likely by Sleepers! |
Minmatar Citizen 534612187
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2015.04.20 17:45:16 -
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My process has been this:
Enter wormhole, mini-warpdrive far away. D-scan to make sure no other player ships are there, then probe-scan and bookmark everything appropriately.
I've been deleting all my bookmarks for a particular wormhole when it goes away (when I get locked out of it or something). Is this a smart thing to do? Or is there some way to re-visit the same wormhole? |
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
328
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Posted - 2015.04.20 18:48:04 -
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Scout scout scout. Who is in the WH, what does the killboard look like, what TZ do they operate on? How many members are they... etc. These give you a good idea of the relative activity in a WH. Lots of sigs also indicate a lack of activity.
Scout the WH, scan down all sigs to the point of identifying them. Scan down and scout all WH connections.
Thing about WH space is you die. But you typically make more isk than ship loses. A venture is hard to catch without a Saber or something. To the point where i don't bother unless i have bubbles.
On a low SP toon (about 2M) i gas minnied fine in low and null no probs, and then move to WHs. Had to run away a few times, but mostly been fine.
Death and Glory!
Well fun is also good.
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Daerrol
Furtherance.
115
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Posted - 2015.04.20 20:13:56 -
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Go to Thera. We have tons of Wormhole connectons a day. Go 1-2 jumps into anhy and you'll get to gas mine with a station (Thera) nearby. |
Skelos Kalkoken
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1
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Posted - 2015.04.22 02:04:07 -
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Keep at it. When I was new I joined a high sec mining corp. Soon I found myself bored and was always wandering off into low and null sec for more interesting space rocks. My corp members would be online making steady isk while i was out having fun in unsafe space. I made about the same amount of isk/hour as they did but I had a hell of a lot more fun. When you fly back home it feels like you actually did something. Unlike high sec mining where you mine while cleaning the house or watching a movie. |
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