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Vic Jefferson
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
234
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Posted - 2015.04.21 18:31:55 -
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There's only a few chokes where they would be looking for you really. Why not have another set of ships for everything north of Uedama and Niarja, and one for everything south? If you never need to run the pipe, you may fare better.
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Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
1553
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Posted - 2015.04.21 18:39:27 -
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DaReaper wrote:they used to be. in 04 your missles would smash into roids and do splash damage. the issue was, it was not predicatable when you would hit a roid or not, so they removed it
It still isn't predictable! Some of those collision spheres are epic. There's nothing quite like watching your ship hump vacuum when you're (visually) more than a kilometer from the nearest obstacle.
It's one of the last remaining WTF aspects of the game.
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
138
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Posted - 2015.04.21 18:39:50 -
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Tenchi Sal wrote:Nah theres no real way around it other than some luck. CCP hasn't a clue how to fix it so its part of the official game play now.
Correct. They tried years ago, and couldn't make it work.
It's actually a lot less bumping now than it used to be.
You still have MWD frigates bumping titans kilometers out of where they used to be but heh... |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
867
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Posted - 2015.04.21 19:34:28 -
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The triple web only works as a forward strategy. If you web down before they ever bump you it will slingshot you insta warp but if you get bumped and the spooling begins, it's pretty much I-Win for the bump guy. They can hold you using bump mechanic for as long as they want. It's as good as tackle.
You can get a perspective of how bump spooling works by trying to web down large ships as they undock. The web mechanic won't work there because you undock with negative inertia unless you have an insta bookmark. Then it works with or without web assistance.
I will give CCP credit where it is due. The mass changes removed most ships from the bump brigade. Machariel is the only one that really does it well now but it does it with such certainty that anyone who wants to play that ransom game simply needs to own a Machariel and they are good to go. Bumping isn't hostile and they have no fear of retribution for passive tackle. My strategy has been to seek out A6 wormholes that let me avoid the cow pastures but they are random and rare. Some months I only see two and they aren't always useful. Sometimes taking you from one remote region to another, forcing you through a pipe, just from another spot in the game.
short version, you need two accounts, same corp, one to web you down. |
Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
121
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Posted - 2015.04.21 21:32:40 -
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LOLZ!!
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Tesal
443
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Posted - 2015.04.21 22:06:15 -
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If you are alone, just log off. Bumping doesn't cause aggression and you will emergency warp out. Stay logged off for 15 minutes, go make a sandwich or a cup of coffee, come back and resume your trip. |
Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2015.04.21 22:07:01 -
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Xoceac wrote:As an almost 24/7 incursion runner, I am always on the move between incursion spawns. With my orca and bowhead pilot I move all my stuff from one spawn to another, always being targets of ganking attempts.
I never get targeted, until yesterday. I thought it was quite funny, some joker in a machariel bumping my orca out of alignment, asking for a ransom. I tried to give myself some more time by talking to him, waiting for a buddy to come with mwd battleship to bump him, so I can warp off. (Another alt with a webber didn't really help)
I got out safe.
Anything else I can do to stop this?
- Fit a MWD should be nice - Use the webber alt to get a faster warp Fit a MWD and know how to over heat it.
Last I knew you could still bump people who logged off which prevents them from warping off. |
Zealous Miner
163
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Posted - 2015.04.21 22:10:58 -
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Tesal wrote:If you are alone, just log off.
You can't log off safely in space if you're being targetted. Your ship will continue to sit in space until they un-target you and the 30 second countdown timer completes.
www.minerbumping.com
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Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
332
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Posted - 2015.04.21 22:31:11 -
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Tesal wrote:If you are alone, just log off. Bumping doesn't cause aggression and you will emergency warp out. Stay logged off for 15 minutes, go make a sandwich or a cup of coffee, come back and resume your trip. I have seen this work multiple times even during burn jita events.
You have 30 seconds before you become invulnerable assuming you have no timers, which would mostly be the case. There are plenty of other fish in the sea, so they move on to more stupid targets.
Death and Glory!
Well fun is also good.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
1075
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Posted - 2015.04.21 22:39:28 -
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Elenahina wrote:Tenchi Sal wrote:Nah theres no real way around it other than some luck. CCP hasn't a clue how to fix it so its part of the official game play now. I love how when there's a mechanic at play people don't like, they blame CCP's inability to fix a non-existent problem.
Until there's a valid counter to being bumped out of alignment indefinitely it's a bad mechanic, plain and simple. There's such a thing as balance. If one ship can bump another ship out of alignment for as long as they like, the victim ship needs to have some sort of mechanic to counter it. Just because the aggressor doesn't perceive it as a problem doesn't mean it isn't one
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2162
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Posted - 2015.04.21 22:41:50 -
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Professor Maddoc wrote:The tactics an realizing what ppl actually do in this game after joining depress the **** out me, i thought i was getting into some epic space opera fueled by the players, instead all i ever see is one grief one system after the next.
Reading an watching eve, sigh sometimes i just wish to go back to that than having the games reality in my face What were you expecting conflict between players to look like?
It ranges from gigantic space battles to petty backstreet crime. You just have to remember that dodixie is literally Mos Eisley. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15622
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Posted - 2015.04.21 22:44:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:
Until there's a valid counter to being bumped out of alignment indefinitely it's a bad mechanic, plain and simple
Webs.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
36219
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Posted - 2015.04.21 22:58:28 -
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Zealous Miner wrote:Tesal wrote:If you are alone, just log off. You can't log off safely in space if you're being targetted. Your ship will continue to sit in space until they un-target you and the 30 second countdown timer completes. I don't think she is saying to safe logoff, just to logoff.
She will emergency warp and remain in space for 1 minute without any other timer.
Plenty of time to scan the ship and agress it with a rookie ship if one is ready and it seems like a head in the sand approach (ship loses bonuses gained from the pilots skills, cannot activate any modules, cannot do anything at all), but it probably works in many situations.
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
20836
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Posted - 2015.04.21 23:20:30 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Professor Maddoc wrote:The tactics an realizing what ppl actually do in this game after joining depress the **** out me, i thought i was getting into some epic space opera fueled by the players, instead all i ever see is one grief one system after the next.
Reading an watching eve, sigh sometimes i just wish to go back to that than having the games reality in my face What were you expecting conflict between players to look like? It ranges from gigantic space battles to petty backstreet crime. You just have to remember that dodixie is literally Mos Eisley. He would better understand if ...
... he had the stories of hundreds of people, readable, like a book. ... he himself actually had any friends who do anything worth talking about.
The former exists in a huge amount of blogs ... ... and the latter doesn't.
Jokarz > you got owned?
Chris Justice > just a bit
Chris Justice > They were pulsing smart bombs at the point we all warped in. insta death.
Lev Arturis > pervs got 59 killmails
PERVS doing lowsec DD
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1971
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Posted - 2015.04.21 23:28:30 -
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Newt BlackCompany wrote:Bumping should damage both ships. Jita undock.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
352
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Posted - 2015.04.21 23:31:50 -
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Proper Tank MWD Trick Webber Alt Instawarps out of Stations "Safe" warpins to Stations Not being Stupid Expensive Avoid moving between chock points during Prime Times. x10 on Weekends.
Most of those things will help you out, but it's all chance. If someone wants to hold you there they can, if they want to gank you they can, etc. All that can be done is mitigating the risk by flying safe :) |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6592
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Posted - 2015.04.21 23:36:37 -
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Isn't there some rig that makes you literally web yourself?
(web, not wet)
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Zealous Miner
164
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Posted - 2015.04.21 23:40:57 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Isn't there some rig that makes you literally web yourself?
(web, not wet) Higgs Anchor, yes.
-55% Inertia. 100% Mass. -75% Velocity.
This + Low Friction Nozzle Joints will make even a Bowhead pretty speedy.
www.minerbumping.com
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6592
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Posted - 2015.04.21 23:42:07 -
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Zealous Miner wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Isn't there some rig that makes you literally web yourself?
(web, not wet) Higgs Anchor, yes. -55% Inertia. 100% Mass. -75% Velocity. This + Low Friction Nozzle Joints will make even a Bowhead pretty speedy, and bump resistant against smaller ships. Might still have difficulties with Machariels though.
Thank you.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Otso Bakarti
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2015.04.22 06:55:09 -
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This mechanic is rather infantile, especially when being used on ships that can pass through planets. Is there something in Iceland's water that causes chronic arrested development? Always with something a child can do. |
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GetSirrus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
95
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Posted - 2015.04.22 07:16:36 -
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Just remove the necessity of alignment as a requirement of warp drive. Retain the spin up timer, regulated by skills, implants or fit. There is no aerodynamics in space.
Bumping - one bad mechanic, webbing into warp another bad mechanic - Eve proving two wrongs can make a right. |
SilentAsTheGrave
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
191
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Posted - 2015.04.22 08:17:36 -
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If the new $20 ship skins made you immune to being bumped by neutral ships - they might be worth the price.
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1596
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Posted - 2015.04.22 08:23:20 -
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Zappity wrote:Newt BlackCompany wrote:Bumping should damage both ships. Jita undock. For some reason RL big chokepoints (markets? airports? ...) have no such problem even using RL mechanics when 'bumping hurts'....
But yeah, in CCPs Eve Online "when bumping makes damage it will blow all the Jita undock"
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1975
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Posted - 2015.04.22 08:53:11 -
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SilentAsTheGrave wrote:If the new $20 ship skins made you immune to being bumped by neutral ships - they might be worth the price. Pay to win.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1704
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Posted - 2015.04.22 08:59:45 -
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Elenahina wrote:Tenchi Sal wrote:Nah theres no real way around it other than some luck. CCP hasn't a clue how to fix it so its part of the official game play now. I love how when there's a mechanic at play people don't like, they blame CCP's inability to fix a non-existent problem.
Well.. Its kind of an agression from one character to another character with both parties being neutral, without any CONCORD intervention. I can understand how that's an issue.
Pretty sure IRL if I randomly and willingly run into(bump) people with a bike(MWD), I'm gonna get POLICEd(CONCORDed).
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Varyah
I am Forever of the Stars
9
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Posted - 2015.04.22 10:20:19 -
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Milan Nantucket wrote:Brutus Utama wrote:Such a bad mechanic really its like trying to stop a van from moving by smashing a car into it.... wouldnt work in real life so should work in the game its unfair and i think they should crack down on this. Except there is no friction nor gravity in space. Smash the van with a car that has an mwd and in space, you now have Physics 1. Put a shield on them and voila it works just like ingame. I think if people are deadset on comparing real life to game they should compare apple to apples instad of apples to oranges.
If there weren't gravity in space the universe would fall apart. And friction is also just some force that slows velocity; the difference to gravity is just the geometrical definition. And when the two ships/cars crash into each other there is definitely friction in play, even if you have shields. Macroscopically frictionless collision is just a theoretical approximation of reality. Except for collisions between elementary particles you always loose some energy in collisions and thus velocity. |
Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
20860
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Posted - 2015.04.22 11:14:39 -
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Zappity wrote:SilentAsTheGrave wrote:If the new $20 ship skins made you immune to being bumped by neutral ships - they might be worth the price. Pay to win. And besides... as you said already ... Jita Undock. Mission undocking: Impossible.
Jokarz > you got owned?
Chris Justice > just a bit
Chris Justice > They were pulsing smart bombs at the point we all warped in. insta death.
Lev Arturis > pervs got 59 killmails
PERVS doing lowsec DD
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
20860
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Posted - 2015.04.22 11:15:39 -
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Altrue wrote:Elenahina wrote:Tenchi Sal wrote:Nah theres no real way around it other than some luck. CCP hasn't a clue how to fix it so its part of the official game play now. I love how when there's a mechanic at play people don't like, they blame CCP's inability to fix a non-existent problem. Well.. Its kind of an agression from one character to another character with both parties being neutral, without any CONCORD intervention. I can understand how that's an issue. Pretty sure IRL if I randomly and willingly run into(bump) people with a bike(MWD), I'm gonna get POLICEd(CONCORDed). I suggest you self destruct your ship every time someone bumps into you.
That'll increase realism and immersion. :)
Jokarz > you got owned?
Chris Justice > just a bit
Chris Justice > They were pulsing smart bombs at the point we all warped in. insta death.
Lev Arturis > pervs got 59 killmails
PERVS doing lowsec DD
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Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
241
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Posted - 2015.04.22 11:28:04 -
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Bumping takes players away from the immersive science fiction experience that is what Eve wants to be. It is not so much the consequence that is an issue (not being able to warp by lack of alignment), but the silly display of bowling with spaceships...
imho, it is one of the remaining dinosaurs and should be revisited. I am not saying that there should not be any neutral way to prevent a ship from aligning, even in high sec, but it should be a way that makes more sense and looks better from a sci-fi experience point of view.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15626
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Posted - 2015.04.22 11:42:12 -
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Altrue wrote:Elenahina wrote:Tenchi Sal wrote:Nah theres no real way around it other than some luck. CCP hasn't a clue how to fix it so its part of the official game play now. I love how when there's a mechanic at play people don't like, they blame CCP's inability to fix a non-existent problem. Well.. Its kind of an agression from one character to another character with both parties being neutral, without any CONCORD intervention. I can understand how that's an issue. Pretty sure IRL if I randomly and willingly run into(bump) people with a bike(MWD), I'm gonna get POLICEd(CONCORDed).
Jita undock.
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