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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.21 14:18:38 -
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How many humans are there in the EVE universe, total? 100 billion? 500? |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.04.21 14:26:33 -
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Well, we seem to be able to find fresh crew for every ship we jump into, so that would suggest that the population across the whole cluster is fairly high, given all the other, much more numerous activities that must also be going on within the NPC environment (compared to capsuleer activites because we are really just a small population even by RL Earth standards. All capsuleers could fit in a small city)
I have no clue how many inhabitable planets there are in New Eden, but it would have to be high given the amount of activity going on. So even if it's a thousand or so planets that are heavily populated, that would maybe get to a few trillion people.
6-7 trillion perhaps, just plucking a number from my backside.
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
20776
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Posted - 2015.04.21 14:28:34 -
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Jandice .... damnwhatshername .... might know a good estimate.
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
788
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Posted - 2015.04.21 14:30:24 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Well, we seem to be able to find fresh crew for every ship we jump into, so that would suggest that the population across the whole cluster is fairly high, given all the other, much more numerous activities that must also be going on within the NPC environment (compared to capsuleer activites because we are really just a small population even by RL Earth standards. All capsuleers could fit in a small city)
I have no clue how many inhabitable planets there are in New Eden, but it would have to be high given the amount of activity going on. So even if it's a thousand or so planets that are heavily populated, that would maybe get to a few trillion people.
6-7 trillion perhaps, just plucking a number from my backside. 7 trillion just seems like an absurdly high number of people to me... but then again so does 7 billion, and yet that's how many people there are in reality.
But yeah, there's like, what? A million capsuleers, at most? |
Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
20777
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Posted - 2015.04.21 14:44:56 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Well, we seem to be able to find fresh crew for every ship we jump into, so that would suggest that the population across the whole cluster is fairly high, given all the other, much more numerous activities that must also be going on within the NPC environment (compared to capsuleer activites because we are really just a small population even by RL Earth standards. All capsuleers could fit in a small city)
I have no clue how many inhabitable planets there are in New Eden, but it would have to be high given the amount of activity going on. So even if it's a thousand or so planets that are heavily populated, that would maybe get to a few trillion people.
6-7 trillion perhaps, just plucking a number from my backside. 7 trillion just seems like an absurdly high number of people to me... but then again so does 7 billion, and yet that's how many people there are in reality. But yeah, there's like, what? A million capsuleers, at most?
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
20777
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Posted - 2015.04.21 14:45:59 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Well, we seem to be able to find fresh crew for every ship we jump into, so that would suggest that the population across the whole cluster is fairly high, given all the other, much more numerous activities that must also be going on within the NPC environment (compared to capsuleer activites because we are really just a small population even by RL Earth standards. All capsuleers could fit in a small city)
I have no clue how many inhabitable planets there are in New Eden, but it would have to be high given the amount of activity going on. So even if it's a thousand or so planets that are heavily populated, that would maybe get to a few trillion people.
6-7 trillion perhaps, just plucking a number from my backside. 7 trillion just seems like an absurdly high number of people to me... but then again so does 7 billion, and yet that's how many people there are in reality. But yeah, there's like, what? A million capsuleers, at most? Typing this a third time. There was a fuckup with quotes and they had HTML in them.
Anyhow, not typing it all again.
Paging CCP Falcon might help. He usually knows all kind of lore things!
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Null Infinity
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.21 14:46:12 -
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Is there any inhabitable planets in null sec? Most of the temperate planets I saw so far have no pressure or deadly gravity
Rand V could be populated, but seems to be totaly depleted, resources exhausted. Pressure is still rather low, just little above half of the earth sea level... Oris has triple gravity. Amarr prime... no idea about air pressure on it. But both caldari prime and Gallente prime suffer under enormous presure.
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
20777
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Posted - 2015.04.21 14:47:53 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:a href=https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4177877#post4177877 Go to last post/a by Actually it's a really low number.
We have seven billion on our planet alone. There are 5000 systems with planets.
A trillion isn't unreasonable. There are gigantic planets who could support way more than seven billion people.
Paging CCP Falcon about this might help.
so there is some fuckup with quotes....
edit: Sorry went back to get this and report it.
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1621
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Posted - 2015.04.21 14:50:35 -
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The Minmatar Republic has a population of 9.641 trillion according to Source.
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.21 14:54:25 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:a href=https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4177877#post4177877 Go to last post/a by Actually it's a really low number. We have seven billion on our planet alone. There are 5000 systems with planets. A trillion isn't unreasonable. There are gigantic planets who could support way more than seven billion people. Paging CCP Falcon about this might help. so there is some fuckup with quotes.... Yeah, but how reasonable is it that the human population would grow that much in, well, however long humanity has been in New Eden.
The upper limit on that number is 40,000 years. How many people settled in New Eden, initially? How long was it before they were able to colonize new worlds again? How much can a human population in a star cluster grow in only a few tens of thousands of years?
Lore says that the initial conditions were quite harsh after the destruction of the EVE gate, and it took a long time for certain groups of humans to recuperate and form isolated civilizations (Amarr, Minmatar, Gallente/Caldari), whereas other groups continued to thrive and spread out (eventually these were the Yan Jung, Talocan, Jovians, etc.). So there was probably some significant amount of colonization in the original millenia of NE, but they didn't really last until the present. |
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.21 15:01:14 -
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I'd expect it to be around 50 Trillion given how many planets are populated, plus stations, etc. As said above, the Minm just shy of 10 Trillion alone. My guess would be Caldari would have similar numbers. Amarr probably 2-3x that, and Gal 1.5-2x.. Then add in Jove, Sleepers, the pirate factions, and anyone else living outside the Empires for another few Trillion.. |
Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
20778
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Posted - 2015.04.21 15:02:55 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:The Minmatar Republic has a population of 9.641 trillion according to Source. Sheesh!
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
350
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Posted - 2015.04.21 15:07:00 -
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Eve Source: Amarr - 21.5 Trill Gallente - 19.99 Trill Minmatar - 9.64 Trill Caldari - 8.41 Trill
Jove, Pirate, etc are not listed.
So that's ~60 Trillion conservative estimate. |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.04.21 15:07:34 -
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Sniper Smith wrote:I'd expect it to be around 50 Trillion given how many planets are populated, plus stations, etc. As said above, the Minm just shy of 10 Trillion alone. My guess would be Caldari would have similar numbers. Amarr probably 2-3x that, and Gal 1.5-2x.. Then add in Jove, Sleepers, the pirate factions, and anyone else living outside the Empires for another few Trillion..
Yeah, Amarr is the biggest of the four empires, Gallente second, Caldari third, and while the Minmatar are the most numerous race in New Eden, the Minmatar Republic comes in last in terms of population (due to the fact that huge chunks of the Minmatar live in the Amarr Empire and the Gallente Federation, plus the Thukkers of being Thukkers). All told, I believe the Empires make up something like 65-70% of the actual population of New Eden.
I'd have to check all that, but it sounds good in my head.
EDIT: Ah, I got Caldari and Minmatar mixed up. :P
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.21 15:17:24 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:a href=https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4177877#post4177877 Go to last post/a by Actually it's a really low number. We have seven billion on our planet alone. There are 5000 systems with planets. A trillion isn't unreasonable. There are gigantic planets who could support way more than seven billion people. Paging CCP Falcon about this might help. so there is some fuckup with quotes.... Yeah, but how reasonable is it that the human population would grow that much in, well, however long humanity has been in New Eden. The upper limit on that number is 40,000 years. How many people settled in New Eden, initially? How long was it before they were able to colonize new worlds again? How much can a human population in a star cluster grow in only a few tens of thousands of years? Lore says that the initial conditions were quite harsh after the destruction of the EVE gate, and it took a long time for certain groups of humans to recuperate and form isolated civilizations (Amarr, Minmatar, Gallente/Caldari), whereas other groups continued to thrive and spread out (eventually these were the Yan Jung, Talocan, Jovians, etc.). So there was probably some significant amount of colonization in the original millenia of NE, but they didn't really last until the present.
If you look at the growth rate of humanity on Earth, it's not a linear scale. Human population doubled from 2 billion in 1930 to over 4 billion in 1976. Now, not even fourty years later, it stands at over 7 billion.
To put it another way, there are people alive today who could, conceivably, see the world's population double TWICE in their lifetime.
Best estimates for the world population at 0AD are around 250 million. Just over 2000 years later, we've increased the population by 2800 percent. If we move forward another 8,000 years, and assume a linear rate of growth, we're looking at right around 3 trillion people in the year 10,000. So yeah, 40,000 years int he future, and spread across multiple inhabited worlds - I would say 20-25 trillion across the entire clutser is problably a very conservative esitmate.
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Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
3587
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Posted - 2015.04.21 15:21:33 -
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Trillions isn't surprising at all considering how spread out the empires are. Not only that, but they started from scratch on many different planets. We can assume after their own cultures had industrial revolutions, their populations would have skyrocketed on each planet like on earth. So we have a crap ton of civilizations showing up on many different planets, all of them reproducing like, well, humans. We can add in the fact that real estate and resource scarcity doesn't seem to be much of a problem when it comes to the survival of the species at this point given that they are space faring and colonizing new worlds. They've probably got a far higher life expectancy too, what with their fancy schmancy space age medicine. Yeah, Trillions doesn't surprise me at all.
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
351
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Posted - 2015.04.21 15:21:52 -
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Elenahina wrote:If you look at the growth rate of humanity on Earth, it's not a linear scale. Human population doubled from 2 billion in 1930 to over 4 billion in 1976. Now, not even fourty years later, it stands at over 7 billion.
To put it another way, there are people alive today who could, conceivably, see the world's population double TWICE in their lifetime.
Best estimates for the world population at 0AD are around 250 million. Just over 2000 years later, we've increased the population by 2800 percent. If we move forward another 8,000 years, and assume a linear rate of growth, we're looking at right around 3 trillion people in the year 10,000. So yeah, 40,000 years int he future, and spread across multiple inhabited worlds - I would say 20-25 trillion across the entire clutser is problably a very conservative esitmate. Not to mention people here can likely live FAR longer lives.. with Cloning and such, live forever.. I mean sure we're special, as are the DUST Bunnies, but you have to imagine that even the normal people on the planets are living lives far longer than use today.. If people aren't dying AND they are having kids, populations skyrocket.. That's the biggest thing that's changed on Earth, it's not that we're having more kids, it's that we aren't all dead by 30 lol.. Not to mention more of those kids we are having are surviving to adulthood.. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.04.21 15:35:54 -
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Is "Human" the correct term?
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.21 15:42:34 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Is "Human" the correct term?
Probably. 40,000 years isn't much, in evolutionary terms, and humans have largely removed selective pressures that would cause widespread adoption of mutations in the population, with the possible exception of ones that increase longevity (or disease resistance).
Making the assumption that the four empires are genetically similar enough to interbreed, there's no reason to not call them human.
Now, the Jove are another matter. They've monkeyed with their own physiology enough that they may be genetically distinct enough to call a separate species.
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Freya Sertan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.21 16:01:45 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Is "Human" the correct term?
I'd have to question this as well. Basic human physiology might still be intact but the minutae that makes us "human" would likely be diluted, if not gone completely. Not to mention capsuleers who might not be classified as human anymore either. |
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.21 16:53:12 -
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Do you want to classify them based on their humanity ... ... or based on their anatomy, which includes origins?
(ignoring that humans haven't evolved in 20k years which is silly ofc.)
Based on the latter, capsuleers clearly are humans. This would probably be different or more blurry if evolution had happened.
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Freya Sertan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.21 16:54:40 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Do you want to classify them based on their humanity ... ... or based on their anatomy, which includes origins?
(ignoring that humans haven't evolved in 20k years which is silly ofc.)
Based on the latter, capsuleers clearly are humans. This would probably be different or more blurry if evolution had happened.
Is a clone that is only the memories of the implanted... a human? That's the question. |
Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.04.21 17:47:27 -
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Freya Sertan wrote:Is a clone that is only the memories of the implanted... a human? That's the question.
The Internet wrote:clone
kl+Ö-èn noun 1. BIOLOGY an organism or cell, or group of organisms or cells, produced asexually from one ancestor or stock, to which they are genetically identical.
Yes. Why wouldn't it be? If we clone a goat, the goat clone is a goat. Same goes for humans, just because it's "icky" and would be weird to us, doesn't change the fact that a human clone would still be a human being.
Now, if you want to talk morality and ethics, sure, there are complications. it's murky water. But the very reason the question bothers us is because it IS in fact a human being.
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.04.21 18:40:33 -
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Also, just to throw out, there's a lot of mentions of "humans" and "humanity" in the lore, so it looks like the name for the species stuck.
As for what to call us....I'm sure there are plenty of choice words that would apply
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.21 19:32:09 -
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Freya Sertan wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Do you want to classify them based on their humanity ... ... or based on their anatomy, which includes origins?
(ignoring that humans haven't evolved in 20k years which is silly ofc.)
Based on the latter, capsuleers clearly are humans. This would probably be different or more blurry if evolution had happened. Is a clone that is only the memories of the implanted... a human? That's the question.
Yes. |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.22 21:43:01 -
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When you say Universe, do remember we then count those from the Milky Way along as well, who have colonised the entirety of The Milky Way... |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.22 21:48:52 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:When you say Universe, do remember we then count those from the Milky Way along as well, who have colonised the entirety of The Milky Way... Do you know what a pedant is? |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2015.04.22 22:23:54 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:How many humans are there in the EVE universe, total? 100 billion? 500?
I vaguely recall one of the Eve novels mentioning this but I don't recall which one and where.
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Kueyen
Mei-Ha's Light
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Posted - 2015.04.22 23:16:24 -
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Empire total: 59.592 trillion
Empire demographics (by Nationality / Ethnicity) :
Amarr Empire: 21.449 trillion
- 10.721 trillion enslaved Minmatar
- 4.946 trillion Amarr
- 3.860 trillion Caldari
- 1.501 trillion Gallente
- 0.214 trillion free Minmatar
Gallente Federation: 19.991 trillion
- 10.395 trillion Gallente
- 6.997 trillion Minmatar
- 1.599 trillion Caldari
- 0.999 trillion Amarr
Minmatar Republic: 9.641 trillion
- 6.556 trillion Minmatar
- 2.024 trillion Gallente
- 0.867 trillion Caldari
- 0.193 trillion Amarr
Caldari State: 8.511 trillion
- 7.654 trillion Caldari
- 0.420 trillion Amarr
- 0.252 trillion Gallente
- 0.084 trillion Minmatar
Empire demographics (by Ethnicity) :
- 24.563 trillion Minmatar
- 14.172 trillion Gallente
- 13.980 trillion Caldari
- 6.558 trillion Amarr
Source: EVE Source.
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Zealous Miner
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Posted - 2015.04.22 23:34:57 -
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Kueyen wrote:Amarr Empire: 32.170 trillion
Man.
For a super conservative society those Amarr really like to get it on.
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