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Alexis Nightwish
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Posted - 2015.04.21 21:23:46 -
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SilentAsTheGrave wrote:$20 for a frigate ship skin?! Are you guys out of your ******* mind? Not just a frigate skin, a T1 frigate skin.
CCP only approaches a problem in one of two ways: nudge or cludge
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Ivarr Kerensky
Kerensky Tactical Group
53
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Posted - 2015.04.21 21:32:46 -
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Alexis Nightwish wrote:SilentAsTheGrave wrote:$20 for a frigate ship skin?! Are you guys out of your ******* mind? Not just a frigate skin, a T1 frigate skin.
Fearless!
We're back in 2011.
Is Zinfandel still with CCP?
Excellence is an attitude.
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Thoth Aventine
Micrometer Technology Inc. NICE Inter-Celestial Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.04.21 21:35:31 -
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Odin Shadow wrote:dam must have missed that. 10 accounts each with 5500 aur on and the stuffs I wanna buy is 6300. oh well will sit there for longer then I guess
This isn't an accident...
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Wendrika Hydreiga
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Posted - 2015.04.21 21:37:05 -
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I can't believe my Guristas Edition Ships are all going to turn into regular ships 30 days after the patch... And no alternative to keep them permanently either!
I need permant Guristas Edition Ship SKINS!
Oh well... Lose some, win some. |
Tristan Valentina
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2015.04.21 21:40:43 -
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Multiple Blue posts on first page continuing to page 4.
Someone mentions money and the blues all run away.
CCP I know you are watching this please get out in front of this pricing issue with at least a statement giving some real reasoning besides market Hocus Pocus.
Someone get cookies to lure them out!
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Alexis Nightwish
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Posted - 2015.04.21 21:41:41 -
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Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:I can't believe my Guristas Edition Ships are all going to turn into regular ships 30 days after the patch... And no alternative to keep them permanently either!
I need permant Guristas Edition Ship SKINS!
Oh well... Lose some, win some. Absolutely! I think that extant pirate SKINS should be permanent, but never sold in the store. Dropped versions would be temporary.
CCP only approaches a problem in one of two ways: nudge or cludge
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Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
4870
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Posted - 2015.04.21 21:41:48 -
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Who do I have to kill to get this skin released? https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/ccpwgl/skindevblog/index.shtml?dna=aca2_t1:bloodraider:amarr&distance=3800
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Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.04.21 21:46:36 -
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You may start with biomassing the person or entire team who thought up this SKIN for AUR crap. So, when are these things going to be available in LP stores?
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2015.04.21 21:53:11 -
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Tristan Valentina wrote:Multiple Blue posts on first page continuing to page 4.
Someone mentions money and the blues all run away.
CCP I know you are watching this please get out in front of this pricing issue with at least a statement giving some real reasoning besides market Hocus Pocus.
Someone get cookies to lure them out!
Tristan
Well, their last post was 18:35 their time. How late do you expect them to stay at work?
Woo! CSM X!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Teinyhr
Ourumur
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Posted - 2015.04.21 22:01:56 -
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Yeah I'll have to chip in and ask what is so hard to understand about the "micro" part in microtransactions? A months sub is not a microtransaction. I'm not saying this is entirely your fault CCP, several other MMO developers seem to have trouble understanding this concept as well, like Blizzard's F2P's with frankly ridiculous prices on cosmetic items on top of subcsription fees.
Now what is a microtransaction? Anything from zero to about 5 dollars/euros/someothercurrencies. Even a fiver is in the upper limit, 3,99 would be deceptively reasonable. What do I mean with "deceptively reasonable?" It's on the surface a tiny amount you don't think about too much, until you notice you've spent it ten times already. |
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Lena Lazair
Khanid Irregulars Khanid's Legion
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Posted - 2015.04.21 22:21:06 -
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Teinyhr wrote:Yeah I'll have to chip in and ask what is so hard to understand about the "micro" part in microtransactions? A months sub is not a microtransaction. I'm not saying this is entirely your fault CCP, several other MMO developers seem to have trouble understanding this concept as well, like Blizzard's F2P's with frankly ridiculous prices on cosmetic items.
Now what is a microtransaction? Anything from zero to about 5 dollars/euros/someothercurrencies. Even a fiver is in the upper limit, 3,99 would be deceptively reasonable. What do I mean with "deceptively reasonable?" It's on the surface a tiny amount you don't think about too much, until you notice you've spent it ten times already.
Yes and no. This is definitely true for a system in which the items are immediately account-bound.
However, in EVE these licenses can be traded for ISK. That means you don't have to spend a penny to acquire them. As yet-another-wealth-transfer mechanism, I don't think it's unreasonable for a permanent character-bound skin to be on par with the cost of a PLEX in terms of in-game effort/time spent. Especially when there are plenty of cheap permanent skins that will settle in the 50-150m range for "poors" to buy in-game as well, assuming people are rational and peg these to the going PLEX/AUR/$/ISK rates.
Also, as per someone else comparing these to the cost of clothing... yeah I fully expected these to be more pricey. After all, they affect something everyone actually sees and uses, rather than just a tiny niche corner of the game few people care about. |
Ivarr Kerensky
Kerensky Tactical Group
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Posted - 2015.04.21 22:22:53 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Well, their last post was 18:35 their time. How late do you expect them to stay at work?
EVE being a 24 hour round the globe game I'd say... 24hours? Not the same folks obviously.
Excellence is an attitude.
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Viktor Hadah
Negative-Impact Back and Forth
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Posted - 2015.04.21 22:27:07 -
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http://puu.sh/gLfV8/4fba22fa48.jpg
Where the slicer skins from fanfest at :(
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Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.21 22:37:59 -
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Prophecy Blood Raiders Edition is 30 days ? I have that ship with this skin now, it will be 30 days after this comes into game ? so i will loose it ?
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Pace eGuerra
Blunted Affect Inc.
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Posted - 2015.04.21 22:44:23 -
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"The general conversion plans will give you a SKIN if you had a Blueprint perviously"
Like a tight leather one with a mask? |
Bubbleup Now
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.21 22:45:27 -
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I would like to ask why the only Hel skin is more expensive than the other mothership skins (with the exception of one of the 2 Amarr skins). Was the SKIN system developed by the Amarr oppressors? |
P3ps1 Max
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.21 22:51:30 -
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Can't wait to purchase a few skins.
On the other hand:
Not in favor of players purchasing plex with in-game isk and converting it to AUR. |
Lena Lazair
Khanid Irregulars Khanid's Legion
454
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Posted - 2015.04.21 22:54:53 -
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P3ps1 Max wrote:Not in favor of players purchasing plex with in-game isk and converting it to AUR.
The skin licenses are tradeable items with their own market tab. Converting ISK to PLEX to AUR won't be necessary anyway. |
Kronossan
Doughboys Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2015.04.21 22:56:50 -
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Quote:all existing skin Blueprints will no longer be purchasable from the NES as of the publication of this dev blog.
I was waiting to buy the blueprints until I had gotten a bit more information on how the system would work, now you've finally released this info and prevent me from buying the blueprints :(
Can't you open the pilot program for another day or something, this sucks! |
Destoya
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
388
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Posted - 2015.04.21 22:58:13 -
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Kind of disappointed with the prices on a lot of these items.
5000+ aurum might be acceptable for a titan, but asking the same for a tech 1 frigate is frankly pretty ridiculous. Would be one thing if it were that much for all variants of a hull (ex: Merlin, Hawk, and Harpy), but that's obviously not the case . I get that you wanted some skins to be rarer/more premium than others but asking that much for ships that most people dont use past 6 months is kind of distasteful in my opinion. |
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Celise Katelo
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.21 23:03:18 -
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Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:I can't believe my Guristas Edition Ships are all going to turn into regular ships 30 days after the patch... And no alternative to keep them permanently either!
I need permant Guristas Edition Ship SKINS!
Oh well... Lose some, win some.
Agree, My Ferox Guristas Edition ship doesn't want to be a plain Ferox
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Arline Kley
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
539
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Posted - 2015.04.21 23:04:54 -
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I'm loving this idea CCP - a good call so that I can finally fly the Khanid skinned ships that I truely deserve to fly. I absolutely adore the hard work and effort gone into this by the Art and Development teams to make sure that we can (finally) have some more customisation of the ships that we fly other than the fittings/name.
However, the price to pay for this privilege? How dare you. Yes these skins are there as a "luxury" items within the game and I can understand that you require a payment to get this sorted. But unless you either reduce the amount of Aurum it costs to get these skins (the former blueprint prices was fair) or increase significantly the amount of Aurum you get when you convert a PLEX or via direct purchase, only those people that have more money than sense will buy them (which is probably your target market in this case).
Do you not remember the time this caused issues in the past? When your internal memo's got leaked, and players from High, Low and Null sec dropped their desire to blow each other up (mostly) and shot the Jita monument because of a mere hint that some sort of pay-to-win ammunition would possibly worm its way in the game? It destroyed a wonderful project that you had spent a great deal of time on because you misread the community.
Take a good, long hard look at yourselves in the mirror CCP:
You. Are. Not. Valve.
You cannot join in the Hats/Skins game and immediately start pricing at Valve levels for basic skins. It will crumble. It will burn. You will have another Walking in Stations rejection from the community.
Now, as others have pointed out, the term micro transaction is generally indicitive of a small cost. A months sub is not a small transaction. If these were placeholder numbers for the design team, or as example of the differences in costs, then that is fine. Alas, you have banded together in the first pages of this thread and immediately declared them accurate prices.
May I ask, what was wrong with the pricing that the blueprints had? Clearly you are charging for a permanancy that most players do enjoy, but these charges are far inexcess of their worth in most cases.
For example (using straight cash -> AURUM via EVE Aurum Store) :
Khanid Titan - -ú31.97 / Gé¼44.45 (Far too expensive, even for a Titan) Sarum Tormentor - -ú18.99 / Gé¼26.41 (this is stupidly over the top value for the ship) Ardishapur Tormentor - -ú3.99 / Gé¼5.55 (perfect)
Please CCP look at your costs. A special ship requires a special SKIN. Titans are worth a bit more than a normal ship, but not nearly 3 months Game Time. And for the love of the hamsters in the Jita node, do not march on with this current price schema without actually listening to those that are forking out for it.
"For it was said they had become like those peculiar demons, which dwell in matter but in whom no light may be found." - Father Grigori, Ravens 3:57
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Alundil
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.04.21 23:05:41 -
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SilentAsTheGrave wrote:$20 for a frigate ship skin?! Are you guys out of your ******* mind? Maybe if it came with a fancy pair of space pants/skirt
I'm right behind you
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Gaia Ma'chello
V.I.C.E.
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Posted - 2015.04.21 23:22:35 -
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Thoth Aventine wrote:Kotori wrote:Looks like there was some insider knowledge on this one!
Blog released at 17:00 today. Huge Spike in purchases on the 20th April.
Bit of a mismatch there.
I hope there is to be an investigation as to who is abusing their powers?
Speculation is one thing, but a mass purchase the day before a dev blog announcing that availability will be stopped immediately.... The information about the new skin process and some initial hints about the way skins would be converted has been in a thread in the test forum and on the test server for three weeks. The info has been available for a while and there's nothing suspicious going on, the spike you see is simple market speculation. As with all speculation, everyone who dumped money into this had very real risk of being totally screwed should the final implementation have changed by the time of the dev blog. If the speculation had started 3 weeks ago, I would agree with you. But there was a big spike that started about a day or two before the blog. That indicates something happened a day or two before the blog. There were no new threads, or blogs, or updates to Sisi, to account for it. So what's left? A leak. As Sherlock Holmes would say, whenever all other possibilities have been eliminated, whatever is left must be true. |
Magosian
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
185
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Posted - 2015.04.21 23:37:43 -
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Sorry if this was already covered, but I'm curious why the BC/dessy ship skins which come from lowsec besieged sites are 30-day temporary. |
Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
151
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Posted - 2015.04.21 23:38:39 -
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Lena Lazair wrote:Especially when there are plenty of cheap permanent skins that will settle in the 50-150m range for "poors" to buy in-game as well, assuming people are rational and peg these to the going PLEX/AUR/$/ISK rates. Except the going PLEX/Aur/$/ISK rates put the cheapest of the posted SKINs at 740 Aur, which is about 200m ISK, or roughly $5. Where do you see the 50m ISK ones?
As well as a significant number of SKINs going for upwards of PLEX costs, which then leaves a person with the choice, pay for 1 month of game time, or paint my ship some half obscure color most people won't notice cause they will never look that closely at my ship? Heck half of the color schemes are just a few shades different than the standard colors... This is going to be good reading once it hits TQ.
I can easily see most players looking at even just a short list of ships they fly and schemes they want that would easily equal being able to pay for an entire year's worth of game time, and that is just a short list. I really feel bad for the people that get suckered into this full out and spend 10's of thousands of Aur on SKINs.
Gaia Ma'chello wrote:If the speculation had started 3 weeks ago, I would agree with you. But there was a big spike that started about a day or two before the blog. That indicates something happened a day or two before the blog. There were no new threads, or blogs, or updates to Sisi, to account for it. So what's left? A leak. As Sherlock Holmes would say, whenever all other possibilities have been eliminated, whatever is left must be true. You know what happened a day or two before the blog, people realized it was about a week before the change was going live, which is prime time to do market speculation, I was planning to actually do all my speculating this afternoon when I got home (was going to spend this morning figuring out which old skins I wanted to stock up on) but then I saw the blog and it was too late. Anyone that has been following this and having our feedback ignored since the very beginning knew it was coming and the smarter ones just jumped on it a little quicker than the rest of us. |
Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
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Posted - 2015.04.21 23:39:45 -
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Magosian wrote:Sorry if this was already covered, but I'm curious why the BC/dessy ship skins which come from lowsec besieged sites are 30-day temporary. It was already covered, like 5 or 6 times, even by dev posts on the first page or two. As well as in the blog.
Yes, if it comes from a site drop, it will be time limited. |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1626
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Posted - 2015.04.21 23:39:50 -
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Ok, so three things:
1) I gotta agree with a lot of people that the pricing seems completely off. After you change the aur packages, those 4300 AUR frigate skins will cost $20.28 IF purchased with a $100 aur pack. I get that you're looking to keep things rare, but I cannot imagine who would spend that much on a t1 frigate paint job. As far as I can see, you're pricing yourself into a territory that won't make money here.
2) I really dislike the temporary skins, but I understand the reasoning. Is there any chance that we could get an option to buy a permanent version of the temporary skins? Turn all the existing ships and blueprints into the temporary version. Conversely, give more (or all) of the ships a temporary version. What would the concerns be over these options?
3) If I play around with the url of the nifty ship spinner in the blog, I can apply any skin to any ship. I'm hoping this is a future goal. Please say it is :)
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Magosian
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.21 23:41:14 -
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Dangeresque Too wrote:Magosian wrote:Sorry if this was already covered, but I'm curious why the BC/dessy ship skins which come from lowsec besieged sites are 30-day temporary. It was already covered, like 5 or 6 times, even by dev posts on the first page or two. As well as in the blog. Yes, if it comes from a site drop, it will be time limited.
Yes but WHY? |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1626
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Posted - 2015.04.21 23:42:48 -
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Magosian wrote:Dangeresque Too wrote:Magosian wrote:Sorry if this was already covered, but I'm curious why the BC/dessy ship skins which come from lowsec besieged sites are 30-day temporary. It was already covered, like 5 or 6 times, even by dev posts on the first page or two. As well as in the blog. Yes, if it comes from a site drop, it will be time limited. Yes but WHY?
Think about how many there are in game currently versus other skins that are NOT site drops.
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