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Tomb Ovaert
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.22 09:16:47 -
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i love the system! Pricing is competitive with the rest of the industry, as this is a permanent asset, and a vanity item. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1623
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Posted - 2015.04.22 09:17:06 -
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Spugg Galdon wrote:This all looks very very good.
For those of you saying the prices are too high; maybe they are but, this way CCP can do "SALES" and you can get them cheap every now and then!
I imagine the pricing variations are to establish the maximum sustainable pricing people are willing to pay. It would also establish rarity of certain models. Reduced price Sales would disrupt this.
Marketing are painting themselves into a corner, and customer opinion will be harmed, no matter how they try to get out of it later.
Really I am quite amazed that a marketing department, whose whole reason for existence, is to improve the revenue of the company across the whole product line, whilst increasing customers desire to purchase product, could work so actively against the companies best interests.
Free to play models, rely on a replacement of disposable customers, and maximising income from them. It is a model where customers are consumed and the empty husk is disposed of.
It is an unwise model to follow for a subscription customer base that has a limited pool of customers, and where new customers are hard to keep.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
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Teinyhr
Ourumur
442
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Posted - 2015.04.22 09:20:46 -
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Zappity wrote:I have read through the thread and I think people are getting a bit silly about the cost. First, they can be traded in game. This makes a big difference because you have the option of not paying a cent for your skin. Second, I wasn't really interested in the single use skin model but am very tempted by the Incursus skin now that it is more expensive and exclusive. They were a joke before because they were throwaways. Now they have value.
I like that they are expensive.
You would have a point if this didn't apply to avatar clothing as well. And clothes are nowhere near as expensive save for some legacy items like the monocle. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1704
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Posted - 2015.04.22 09:27:28 -
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Hey what about giving PRIMAE owners a noctis skin?
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
1002
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Posted - 2015.04.22 09:27:30 -
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It does seem that the pricing system lacks scaling with ship size/cost.
As far as my Aeon or Revelation go (I love that blue Rev, gimme!), dropping a couple of bil to skin up my Aeon, which already costs in the region of 28-30 bil is a fair cost. Likewise, an extra bil for that sexy blue skin on the Rev (do people get the impression I looove that blue skin), on a 2.5-3bil ship is about fair. But to have to drop the same level of money to skin up a Rifter or Thrasher feels really painfully overpricing.
Part of it comes in to a ships regularity of use/loss, I can imagine that pilots of smaller ships are going to want multiple skins, whereas cap pilots are going to buy one and call it a day (If I'm going to lose a dozen rifters over the weekend, switching back and forth between 3-4 skins is likely to be desirable).
Generally, I would say the current price is right for capital ships, but that frigate skins in particular should be an order of magnitude less, with battleships/battlecruisers splitting the difference, and when T2 ship skins surface, they again can be on the high-side. There should definitely be some outliers to this for "prestige" skins (like say the Police Comet, and other iconic or just plain cool ones) so people who want to posture and preen in high-value skins can do so, while people who just want to add a bit of variety to tooling around in cheap ships dont get robbed for doing so. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3465
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Posted - 2015.04.22 09:31:25 -
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Hey guys... quick tip: if you plan to buy SKINs with AUR, it may be a good idea to buy the 4500 AUR/20 $ package now, as it's going to be removed and the AUR-per-buck will be quite lower with the new AUR packages
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4409
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Posted - 2015.04.22 09:48:02 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Verskon Qaual wrote: variable pricing based on desirability Just wanted to point out: this is not something to criticize. This is something that should be expected. Not that I'm completely on board with the price structure here, mind you, but this isn't one of the problems. well some people would wonder about why different skins for the same ship would be priced so differently, and so high
i'd encourage these people to think about these skins as if they were clothing
Quote:Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Whichever it is, it is clear that by wearing clothes you are expressing yourself and that the price is one of the many dimensions that clothes possess to do that in addition to style and fit. You don't need to buy expensive clothes. In fact you don't need to buy any clothes. Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are.
it's obviously perfectly fine that a particular recolour'd cost more than another recolour because the higher price adds to the prestige of owning the skin
i think ccp should be applauded for this fearless approach to cosmetics pricing |
HiddenPorpoise
Under Dark Sins of our Fathers
318
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Posted - 2015.04.22 09:51:43 -
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I liked it more when the skin system was going to be a thing that could be attached to ships to allow custom fleet skins.
The new ship skin system that was put in last year means that new textures aren't even being made, pallets are being put on maps. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1623
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Posted - 2015.04.22 10:04:29 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Verskon Qaual wrote: variable pricing based on desirability Just wanted to point out: this is not something to criticize. This is something that should be expected. Not that I'm completely on board with the price structure here, mind you, but this isn't one of the problems. well some people would wonder about why different skins for the same ship would be priced so differently, and so high i'd encourage these people to think about these skins as if they were clothing Quote:Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Whichever it is, it is clear that by wearing clothes you are expressing yourself and that the price is one of the many dimensions that clothes possess to do that in addition to style and fit. You don't need to buy expensive clothes. In fact you don't need to buy any clothes. Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are. it's obviously perfectly fine that a particular recolour'd cost more than another recolour because the higher price adds to the prestige of owning the skin i think ccp should be applauded for this fearless approach to cosmetics pricing
One can be fearless by jumping into a wood chipper, it does not automatically make it a wise choice.
Of course your argument holds meaning in the luxury market, but wrapping a ford car in gold paint does not make it a luxury item, no matter how pretty. It is still a consumer automobile.
There is an opportunity here for low priced cosmetic items, something where everyone has many. As it stands, it is offering false vanity, to a few, at high price. The income will be minimal, and the cost to the brand significant.
Not exactly the goal of a marketing department.
However, we will see, one of us will be right. And If it is me, I will be deeply sad, as it will be a golden opportunity lost at harm to the game I love.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
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Damjan Fox
Fox Industries and Exploration
120
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Posted - 2015.04.22 10:07:33 -
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Prices might seem quite high at first, but you have to consider, that these new SKINs are indestructible now. You only have to purchase them once. And in addition to that, you can buy them with ISK from the market, which costs you no real life money at all. (...and it's not like i have bought 1 or 2 skinned ships in advance )
PS: How long do i have to wait, till i get my Black Astero or Black Stratios? Please, CCP, make it happen! |
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kyoukoku
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.22 10:12:38 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Ok, so three things:
3) If I play around with the url of the nifty ship spinner in the blog, I can apply any skin to any ship. I'm hoping this is a future goal. Please say it is :)
Oohh I'd like my Tri-Hulled-Space-UBoat-LancasterBomber-BSG-Delorean - AKA the "Algos" - to be available in these flavours please: Aliastra, Duvolle Labs
And the Talos in Aliastra
Hulk in Aliastra & Duvolle Labs bling! bling!
And the Orca in Aliastra & Duvolle
Myrmidon in: Aliastra Quafe
Holy schittsnacks! How about the SoE Astero in these flavours: Aliastra Duvolle Quafe
same with the SoE Stratios: Aliastra Duvolle Quafe
and the Nestor: Aliastra Duvolle Quafe
OMG THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS!!!!
That is once the prices have been sanitised to true micro-transaction levels |
HiddenPorpoise
Under Dark Sins of our Fathers
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Posted - 2015.04.22 10:15:05 -
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Damjan Fox wrote:And in addition to that, you can buy them with ISK from the market, which costs you no real life money at all. They ether won't be on the market or will only be there at large markup, same as painted ships were. |
kyoukoku
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.22 10:17:07 -
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Damjan Fox wrote:Prices might seem quite high at first, but you have to consider, that these new SKINs are indestructible now. You only have to purchase them once. And in addition to that, you can buy them with ISK from the market, which costs you no real life money at all. (...and it's not like i have bought 1 or 2 skinned ships in advance ) PS: How long do i have to wait, till i get my Black Astero or Black Stratios? Please, CCP, make it happen!
Great minds think alike, see my post right after yours.
It's certainly doable as any ship hull in the game can be be skinned with any other "flavours". This goes to show that CCP must have designed the system with a lot of flexibility in mind for the future.
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1623
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Posted - 2015.04.22 10:20:35 -
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kyoukoku wrote:Damjan Fox wrote:Prices might seem quite high at first, but you have to consider, that these new SKINs are indestructible now. You only have to purchase them once. And in addition to that, you can buy them with ISK from the market, which costs you no real life money at all. (...and it's not like i have bought 1 or 2 skinned ships in advance ) PS: How long do i have to wait, till i get my Black Astero or Black Stratios? Please, CCP, make it happen! Great minds think alike, see my post right after yours. It's certainly doable as any ship hull in the game can be be skinned with any other "flavours". This goes to show that CCP must have designed the system with a lot of flexibility in mind for the future.
The art and technical departments have created a tour de force, a real masterpiece of engineering and design. I am sure some game will copy it, and make good money by selling the result at a fair price.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
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NekoKitten
Neko Industry 'n' PvE Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2015.04.22 10:20:43 -
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How about dropping a time limited skin of a ship that was SKINned by a capsuleer that got destroyed in pvp and ofcourse treated like any loot drop (yes or no said the loot fairy), is that an idea or a terrible one ? |
Theo Sotken
Mother Knows Best Corporation
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Posted - 2015.04.22 10:32:11 -
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Spugg Galdon wrote:This all looks very very good.
For those of you saying the prices are too high; maybe they are but, this way CCP can do "SALES" and you can get them cheap every now and then!
That is an awful idea. So the guys who pay 'full' price end up with the feeling they are getting ripped off for not buying in the 'sales' which may or may not happen. Why not introduce a range of affordable skins which everyone will want to buy, some may just to get the complete the set. And then have special edition skins that cost alot which will be rare due to the price of them and limited supply as 'prizes'.
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Tootenh'amon
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Posted - 2015.04.22 10:36:23 -
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I find it racist that there are no Vherokior skins to be found on the list Unlike what CCP seems to suggest, Vherokior indeed can into space. |
Spugg Galdon
Nisroc Angels
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Posted - 2015.04.22 10:45:10 -
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Theo Sotken wrote:Spugg Galdon wrote:This all looks very very good.
For those of you saying the prices are too high; maybe they are but, this way CCP can do "SALES" and you can get them cheap every now and then! That is an awful idea. So the guys who pay 'full' price end up with the feeling they are getting ripped off for not buying in the 'sales' which may or may not happen. Why not introduce a range of affordable skins which everyone will want to buy, some may just to get the complete the set. And then have special edition skins that cost alot which will be rare due to the price of them and limited supply as 'prizes'.
Ever play World of Tanks?
Many many times I've bought the next tank in the tech tree to only end up seeing it appear "ON SALE" the week after.
These things happen and it's just bad luck. If you wanted an item before it went on sale and you paid full price for it that's simply your problem. HTFU and deal with it as guess what, the same raw deal happens in the real world all the time too. |
Safr0n
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2015.04.22 10:46:49 -
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Nice one CCP. |
Theo Sotken
Mother Knows Best Corporation
35
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Posted - 2015.04.22 10:50:07 -
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Damjan Fox wrote:Prices might seem quite high at first, but you have to consider, that these new SKINs are indestructible now. You only have to purchase them once. And in addition to that, you can buy them with ISK from the market, which costs you no real life money at all. (...and it's not like i have bought 1 or 2 skinned ships in advance ) PS: How long do i have to wait, till i get my Black Astero or Black Stratios? Please, CCP, make it happen!
If you want a skins on your three characters it requires you to make three purchases. It seems like a pretty waste of development time if people don't make use of multiple skins however with the cost most characters will probably end up with one or two favourite skins installed. Hell i'm into a small windfall with this stuff and even I can't justify installing the skins at these prices.
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Panther X
High Flyers The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.04.22 10:55:31 -
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Caiman Graystock wrote:Dersen Lowery wrote:Caiman Graystock wrote:Are skins applicable to tech II variants? According to the dev blog, no. Thanks guess I should have read the whole thing first! CCP there were some Tech II variant skins on the server (though unreleased) already AFAIK (e.g. Blood Raider Paladin, etc) - I hope these aren't far behind...
This.
Please don't forget about my Blood Raider Paladin. The rest? Meh.
My super smells of rich Corinthian Leather
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Panther X
High Flyers The Kadeshi
94
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Posted - 2015.04.22 11:04:54 -
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Damjan Fox wrote:Prices might seem quite high at first, but you have to consider, that these new SKINs are indestructible now. You only have to purchase them once. And in addition to that, you can buy them with ISK from the market, which costs you no real life money at all. (...and it's not like i have bought 1 or 2 skinned ships in advance )
True, but now all of our corp skinned dreads are kinda rendered invalid. it was nice being able to show up in CTAs with Sarum revs that I didn't have to skin myself.
Oh well.
My super smells of rich Corinthian Leather
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Titus Tallang
EVE University Ivy League
75
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Posted - 2015.04.22 11:05:44 -
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After skimming the devblog, there's two things I distinctly dislike about this proposal:
- The new AUR pricing model is priced in a way so that the three lower price tiers are set to be just below the purchase value for certain skins.
- 05.00$ -> 0900 AUR (skin tier: 1095 AUR)
- 10.00$ -> 1950 AUR (skin tier: 1965 AUR)
- 20.00$ -> 4035 AUR (skin tier: 4300 AUR)
This feels like a very low-tier move aimed at artificially raising sales by a marginal amount, and we've honestly come to expect better from you, CCP.
- Skins are tied to character instead of account. Feels like another attempt at increasing sales.
CCP. If you release SKINs in a way that most people are happy with, they will generate sufficient revenue on their own. You have a very passionate community already. No need to stoop to the level of revenue generation strategies typically associated with F2P microtransaction games to get another 5% more. We honestly expected you to be better than that.
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Masao Kurata
Perkone Caldari State
210
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Posted - 2015.04.22 11:10:14 -
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Don't bother putting SKINs on killmails, nobody cares because they haven't been killed. Nothing shiny and expensive was lost, it's as inconsequential as the clothes the pilot was wearing. |
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
934
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Posted - 2015.04.22 11:15:00 -
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I do hope you guys start giving us some T2 and faction ship skins. I like being able to customize my ships, but rarely fly T1 anymore.
Also, at some point I hope we will be able to make fully custom paint jobs, be it personal, corporate or alliance. |
Theo Sotken
Mother Knows Best Corporation
35
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Posted - 2015.04.22 11:19:35 -
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Spugg Galdon wrote:Theo Sotken wrote:Spugg Galdon wrote:This all looks very very good.
For those of you saying the prices are too high; maybe they are but, this way CCP can do "SALES" and you can get them cheap every now and then! That is an awful idea. So the guys who pay 'full' price end up with the feeling they are getting ripped off for not buying in the 'sales' which may or may not happen. Why not introduce a range of affordable skins which everyone will want to buy, some may just to get the complete the set. And then have special edition skins that cost alot which will be rare due to the price of them and limited supply as 'prizes'. Ever play World of Tanks? Many many times I've bought the next tank in the tech tree to only end up seeing it appear "ON SALE" the week after. These things happen and it's just bad luck. If you wanted an item before it went on sale and you paid full price for it that's simply your problem. HTFU and deal with it as guess what, the same raw deal happens in the real world all the time too.
I agree World of Tanks does free to play very well. However it is a pay to win game also.
Charging a subscription fee and having players pay for stuff is balancing act CCP has had problems with in the past. They didn't sort it out by saying 'HTFU and deal with it '. I think we both agree we like the skins idea we just disagree on how CCP should try to profit from it. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1623
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Posted - 2015.04.22 11:27:10 -
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Titus Tallang wrote:After skimming the devblog, there's two things I distinctly dislike about this proposal:
- The new AUR pricing model is priced in a way so that the three lower price tiers are set to be just below the purchase value for certain skins.
- 05.00$ -> 0900 AUR (skin tier: 1095 AUR)
- 10.00$ -> 1950 AUR (skin tier: 1965 AUR)
- 20.00$ -> 4035 AUR (skin tier: 4300 AUR)
This feels like a very low-tier move aimed at artificially raising sales by a marginal amount, and we've honestly come to expect better from you, CCP.
- Skins are tied to character instead of account. Feels like another attempt at increasing sales.
CCP. If you release SKINs in a way that most people are happy with, they will generate sufficient revenue on their own. You have a very passionate community already. No need to stoop to the level of revenue generation strategies typically associated with F2P microtransaction games to get another 5% more. We honestly expected you to be better than that.
Ouch, that's unfortunate, hopefully it is just a disconnect, between those pricing the skins and those setting the aurum price.
Of course if it is deliberate, then that is another reason not to support it, other than the overpricing.
If the marketing department are deliberately playing and manipulating us for fools, then we can only give our response, by completely boycotting it. Each will make his or own call as to whether we accept that treatment.
I would have thought they would have realised it would not take EVE players long to work things out? We are somewhat good at that, as history shows.
We will see, I imagine.
No one will get too excited, but this is something we don't need, and can easily live without.
Not exactly great PR though, such a pity to see such good work turned into a thing of shame.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
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Mr R4nd0m
Comply Or Die Retribution.
189
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Posted - 2015.04.22 11:27:52 -
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I thought the whole skin thing could be quite cool, until i saw the latest AUR costs. Seriously you expect us to pay between $10-$20 for a skin? Really CCP?
I know you probably can get them for ISK in game but 400-1000 mill no.... for me i would never pay such extortionate prices for something so well trivial and especially something i will never own....this is a real shame and well not much more to add. |
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CCP Terminus
C C P C C P Alliance
214
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Posted - 2015.04.22 11:32:39 -
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Dangeresque Too wrote:But seriously though... how do you see the market saturation affecting the price of all these SKINs over time? So I'll just save my Aur and my ISK for after everybody has them and they are worthless because nobody needs to buy them anymore, real great plan for sustained use.
And what the heck does the "Market" entry mean in the price column? That it isn't going to be available for Aur but only through LP stores and then the open market for ISK?
The Temporary SKINs are all loot drops, which means the price is not self regulating because there is a constant supply coming in, just from people running missions and finding them. For the LP store and NES SKINs, if the market for them becomes over-saturated, people will just stop buying them, and thus those markets are much more self regulating.
The market entry in the price column means that we won't be selling them in the NES and they don't come from loot drops or LP stores, so you'll have to buy them from other players in the market. These are mostly promotional SKINs that were given out as one time things through the years.
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Burnt Beans
Spartan Industries
0
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Posted - 2015.04.22 11:32:53 -
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Question to CCP.
I am currently in possession of the quafe ships after subscribing for a year. They are being held on an alt account.
Does the character I wish the permanent skins to belong to after the change have to have possession of the ships at the change or is the skin transferrable before applying?
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