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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1165
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Posted - 2015.04.22 13:26:28 -
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This, in my opinion, is really BM.
However without this mechanic we would have a ton of systems that hoard sites with nobody to despawn them until you happen upon them by accident.
So I propose this: combat anoms have a 24 hour lifetime regardless of someone activating them or not.
Might not be the best idea ever but maybe we as a community can come up with something better. |
Andrew Jester
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1170
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Posted - 2015.04.22 13:33:46 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Might not be the best idea ever
this is the only correct part of your post
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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HTC NecoSino
No Vacancies Lost Alliance
203
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Posted - 2015.04.22 13:38:07 -
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If I hop into a hole and it is:
- Empty
- Occupied by bears
- Occupied by people that I don't like
I activate every sig and anom in the hole. |
Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1165
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Posted - 2015.04.22 13:38:17 -
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PL moving to wormhole space now? Cool |
SleeplessGuardianWitness CustodyAgent
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.04.22 13:47:02 -
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It's a very good mechanic. I'm sure that my paying customers would agree. |
Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1165
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Posted - 2015.04.22 13:58:35 -
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good for who though?
We get on in the evening only to find no money for us to buy ships to give other wormholers content. |
B0T0
X Legion Against Probes
21
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Posted - 2015.04.22 13:59:40 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:However without this mechanic we would have a ton of systems that hoard sites with nobody to despawn them until you happen upon them by accident.
With force you to farm in your static/statics and not in your home system.
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1165
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Posted - 2015.04.22 14:03:43 -
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B0T0 wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:However without this mechanic we would have a ton of systems that hoard sites with nobody to despawn them until you happen upon them by accident. With force you to farm in your static/statics and not in your home system.
You can't do this with caps |
Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
263
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Posted - 2015.04.22 14:09:43 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:B0T0 wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:However without this mechanic we would have a ton of systems that hoard sites with nobody to despawn them until you happen upon them by accident. With force you to farm in your static/statics and not in your home system. You can't do this with caps
Uhm. If the money you get of escalations is not enough, then your group is clearly too big and should split up ...
On-topic: An automatic despawn timer of 1-2 weeks for be much more reasonable. There is actually supposed to be one (2 weeks, I believe), at least that's what CCP claims. Doesn't appear to be working though. |
MooMooDachshundCow
Incertae Sedis
218
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Posted - 2015.04.22 14:52:53 -
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Ab'del Abu wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:B0T0 wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:However without this mechanic we would have a ton of systems that hoard sites with nobody to despawn them until you happen upon them by accident. With force you to farm in your static/statics and not in your home system. You can't do this with caps Uhm. If the money you get of escalations is not enough, then your group is clearly too big and should split up ... On-topic: An automatic despawn timer of 1-2 weeks for be much more reasonable. There is actually supposed to be such a mechanism (2 weeks, I believe), at least that's what CCP claims. Doesn't appear to be working though.
According to reputable sources, the despawn is currently set to one week if the site isn't activated otherwise.
Yeah, well, it's just like my-áopinion, man.
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1170
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Posted - 2015.04.22 15:05:59 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:good for who though?
We get on in the evening only to find no money for us to buy ships to give other wormholers content.
then don't leave them sitting? ezpz
"We're getting ****** by a mechanic so let's change it because we can't adapt" WH Space 2015
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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calaretu
Honestly We didnt know Unsettled.
288
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Posted - 2015.04.22 15:23:29 -
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Despawning peoples sites is a sign of love and charity and should be more widespread practice. Farming homesystem is a evil mechanic that lures people into isolation. Help a stranger and despawn their sites!
~Bringer of happiness
http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/
.ORLY is recruiting
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
970
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Posted - 2015.04.22 15:41:50 -
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If you build up enough sites, you can farm carebears and their salvagers instead. With that mechanic, how would the average bear be able to differentiate between unsafe and most likely safe? |
Ghenghis Kralj
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
70
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Posted - 2015.04.22 16:03:51 -
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I love annual traditions. Can I kick off the "Hey how about random sleeper spawns for cap escalations" 2015 event? |
Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
110
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Posted - 2015.04.22 16:04:04 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:B0T0 wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:However without this mechanic we would have a ton of systems that hoard sites with nobody to despawn them until you happen upon them by accident. With force you to farm in your static/statics and not in your home system. You can't do this with caps
Let me try:
WITH FORCE YOU TO FARM IN YOUR STATIC/STATICS AND NOT IN YOUR HOME SYSTEM.
I have no idea what this sentence is supposed to mean though. |
Ghenghis Kralj
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
70
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Posted - 2015.04.22 16:28:11 -
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Sequester Risalo wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:B0T0 wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:However without this mechanic we would have a ton of systems that hoard sites with nobody to despawn them until you happen upon them by accident. With force you to farm in your static/statics and not in your home system. You can't do this with caps Let me try: WITH FORCE YOU TO FARM IN YOUR STATIC/STATICS AND NOT IN YOUR HOME SYSTEM. I have no idea what this sentence is supposed to mean though.
in case you have 0 imagination:
WILL/WOULD FORCE YOU TO FARM IN YOUR STATIC/STATICS AND NOT IN YOUR HOME SYSTEM.
PS yes you can do this with cap in c5/6 with cap statics. just not multiple caps. oh noes!!! |
Andrew Jester
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1171
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Posted - 2015.04.22 16:38:11 -
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it's almost like people have bear holes for a reason!?
or do static single cap escalations?
look at all these solutions!
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
263
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Posted - 2015.04.22 16:42:41 -
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MooMooDachshundCow wrote:Ab'del Abu wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:B0T0 wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:However without this mechanic we would have a ton of systems that hoard sites with nobody to despawn them until you happen upon them by accident. With force you to farm in your static/statics and not in your home system. You can't do this with caps Uhm. If the money you get of escalations is not enough, then your group is clearly too big and should split up ... On-topic: An automatic despawn timer of 1-2 weeks for be much more reasonable. There is actually supposed to be such a mechanism (2 weeks, I believe), at least that's what CCP claims. Doesn't appear to be working though. According to reputable sources, the despawn is currently set to one week if the site isn't activated otherwise.
Yeah, some dev posted this info on the forums a couple of months ago. Still pretty sure, it's not working as intended. |
Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1165
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Posted - 2015.04.22 17:38:32 -
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Okok I admit I didn't really give enough information so I just got all the trolls.
Non-capital capable static, we can't escalate for 4 solid hours like the best of the bears.
We want to just be able to do 6-8 sites in an evening to fund our pvp yet people just decide it's fun to warp to all of our sites meaning we can't fund our pvp.
Either way this mechanic is good in some ways (like I've mentioned) and quite clearly detrimental to ours.
I mistakenly then thought if i threw an idea out there then the good people of the wormhole community would maybe chip in their 2 cents and we could have a decent discussion going.
So far we have:
1. Some dude who hasn't seen the inside of wh space for years. 2. Few others who've presented alternatives that don't work |
Ghenghis Kralj
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
70
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Posted - 2015.04.22 17:41:16 -
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I thought you had a c3 static. That's plenty of isk. Just don't all run the same site. Split up to make it faster. Once done, roll static. |
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1165
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Posted - 2015.04.22 17:54:11 -
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again... very time consuming for people who don't have much time. |
Andrew Jester
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1171
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Posted - 2015.04.22 18:38:52 -
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if you actually need so much isk that a C3 static can't fund it, then invest in a bear C5 where you can put your cap alts. You can even just do a full clear if there're enough anoms and have enough to fund PvP for a while
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Ghenghis Kralj
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
70
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Posted - 2015.04.22 18:41:17 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:if you actually need so much isk that a C3 static can't fund it, then invest in a bear C5 where you can put your cap alts. You can even just do a full clear if there're enough anoms and have enough to fund PvP for a while
Second that. And if you are not getting at least 150 million per hour out of your c3, you are doing it wrong. But that would be another discussion. |
MooMooDachshundCow
Incertae Sedis
218
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Posted - 2015.04.22 18:44:33 -
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If you don't have time to do anything but home sites, you should maybe reconsider your choice of neighborhood. Many wormholes have bad "weather" in that they don't respawn sites very quickly in that constellation. You may want to look into some more detailed information about this phenomenon and perhaps change your location to somewhere the anoms respawn faster.
or
you could move to HS where the activity is more catered towards people with limited time.
or
learn to run static sites efficiently. C3 sites are very easy to solo and can make plenty good enough money to pay for pvp ships. Assuming that you have a few extra hours per week for bearing and that you don't lose your ships too terribly often, this should be possible. If you can be bothered to scan a bit, the money can be tremendous (solo C5 relics for example).
or
work an extra hour IRL and buy plex.
IDGAF which option you choose, but there are plenty of answers to this problem. If you can't make fast money in the WH then you need to learn to utilize the resources that surround you.
P.S. If nothing else, just go on evebet and put it all on black, works every time!
Yeah, well, it's just like my-áopinion, man.
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1165
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Posted - 2015.04.22 19:20:49 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:if you actually need so much isk that a C3 static can't fund it, then invest in a bear C5 where you can put your cap alts. You can even just do a full clear if there're enough anoms and have enough to fund PvP for a while
how will this help at all when people despawn those sites as well? Full clears mean you get 1 round of isk and the remaining waves give very little compared to escalation waves.
Plus you're assuming we have capital alts and shizniz, we're a small corp with limited time during working days. |
Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1165
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Posted - 2015.04.22 19:21:39 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:if you actually need so much isk that a C3 static can't fund it, then invest in a bear C5 where you can put your cap alts. You can even just do a full clear if there're enough anoms and have enough to fund PvP for a while how will this help at all when people despawn those sites as well? Full clears mean you get 1 round of isk and the remaining waves give very little compared to escalation waves. Plus you're assuming we have capital alts and shizniz, we're a small corp with limited time during working days. Ghenghis Kralj wrote:Second that. And if you are not getting at least 150 million per hour out of your c3, you are doing it wrong. But that would be another discussion. And if I get to spend 2 hours making ISK during a weekday, 300m is half a T3. [quote=MooMooDachshundCow]If you don't have time to do anything but home sites, you should maybe reconsider your choice of neighborhood. Many wormholes have bad "weather" in that they don't respawn sites very quickly in that constellation. You may want to look into some more detailed information about this phenomenon and perhaps change your location to somewhere the anoms respawn faster. or you could move to HS where the activity is more catered towards people with limited time. or learn to run static sites efficiently. C3 sites are very easy to solo and can make plenty good enough money to pay for pvp ships. Assuming that you have a few extra hours per week for bearing and that you don't lose your ships too terribly often, this should be possible. If you can be bothered to scan a bit, the money can be tremendous (solo C5 relics for example). or work an extra hour IRL and buy plex. IDGAF which option you choose, but there are plenty of answers to this problem. If you can't make fast money in the WH then you need to learn to utilize the resources that surround you. P.S. If nothing else, just go on evebet and put it all on black, works every time!
We have time to do other things, however running cap escalations just happens to be why we are in high class space.
High sec static does not cater to our pvp interests
C3 sites as mentioned before are not really a efficient source of income when you live in high class space. You try and field HACs or faction cruisers against any T3 gang you will be wasting your own and their time.
I don't think "buy a plex" can be factored into game mechanic balance.
Overall I don't think this is healthy behaviour. If someone despawns my sites, I will get pissy and despawn theirs and then we both end up with no ISK to give each other good fights. |
Tim Nering
R3d Fire
48
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Posted - 2015.04.22 19:28:40 -
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im always late too troll and the good snarky comments are taken so im just sitting here having to actually answer your question.
i think what you really need are new/better ways to make isk outside of your wormhole. becuase if you are getting sites proc'd all the time then clearly this isnt workin out. time to adapt or die.
here are some thing i do for the dankest of the isk. maybe it will help you out. if you dont care to hear it, skip my entire post.
+gas huffing is dank. COMPLETELY OVERPOWERED and nobody talks about it. what i do a lot of time is start in my home, scan 5 systems or so and mark all gas sites. keep in mind im in a c5 so i get really good ones but i mine every site anyway. then i log in all my accounts, (i got 8-9 gas miners, which is a LOT but.... whatever ur not my real dad) and i mine them all. the cool thing about having that many + links means that i dont actually have to fight the rats. im done with the site before they come. but if you have 2 accounts and ur buddy has 2 and his buddy has 2 and his buddy has 2 then you all should have perfect ventures and do what im doing. the big advantage of being in a group is that you guys can scan way faster and find more gas sites. im alone most of the time so this takes a while. i keep jetting the cans into a miamos cloaked at a safe and i do some runs with it back and forth with it.
to be fair i gotta clear some sites becuase they have so much gas i dont be done in time. vitals and instrumentals take my marauder to clear but whatever, the blue loot if good from those things anyway, im happy to clear it.
--RAGE ABOUT THE VENTURE OFF TOPIC-- side note the venture is OP and im going to keep bringing it up until someone acknowledges me. it costs NOTHING, and you make a ZILLION isk. and if you lose it IT DOESNT MATTER i have 20 more in sma. not to mention its a FRIG that can sit in a cloud so no cloakys can deloak and point, it has WARP CORE STAB built in, its a frig so it warp away fast, you can even fit a cloak on it if you want to hide at a safe but the bigger issue if you dont have to! becuase it costs NOTHING! Even if someone has some super elite venture killing doctrine i STILL dont care. i make 10s of billions this way, with no risk and all the dank isk.
the prospect isnt even relevant to gas mining because it just costs more for no gain. venture is op. ----RAGE OVER----
+day tripping doing server banks is pretty dank isk too. just... watch Keith's vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCNWMRopb_0
+if you really need your hand held there are always incursions. if you are in w space you can prob fly some relevant ship. ive run them before becuase i didnt want to fuckin scan that day, so i kill myself and go run incursions. because that is some no risk isk BS. so i can just zone out and rake it some isk.
+i cant expect everyone to fly a marauder but solo marauder sites are 300m per site. my gf and i do them... its fun. as a disclaimer always always always always always try this on sisi first! they made those changes to defender missiles and golems were dying all over.
+c3s that you scan down are really good too. 2 RR battleships and ur good to go. thats what i did anyways. 70 mil a site or so? i have bad memory. but those sites go quick. should just take a few mins per site.
TLDR it sucks that ur sites are getting proc'd but get out there in the chain and use some creativity to rake in the dank. every time you are struggling in eve it always helped me to say to myself "adapt or die", because that's how you get good at the game. good luck meng and may the dankest of isk be yours! |
Ghenghis Kralj
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
70
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Posted - 2015.04.22 19:39:36 -
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Like Reggie Miller and puns, you may not understand how an expo works, maybe? You go away for a week and bear chain some c5s and set yourself isk wise for a few months. |
Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1165
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Posted - 2015.04.22 19:40:24 -
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Like, I appreciate the reply but you're not telling me anything I don't know already.
I know how to make money besides cap escalations at home but I think we can all agree, it's the most efficient way to make ISK and being a primarily a PvP focused corp who wants to start brawling with the big boys we want to minimise our farming times and be scanning our chain in search of pvp.
Now, so far, nobody has commented on this:
Activating each others sites is a vicious circle and it ends up hurting the whole wh meta. Your rivals don't have ISK to replace ships they've lost so you have to wait months before they give you another engagement.
Meanwhile you're sitting in your own hole trying to find content that doesn't exist because you denied it to yourselves. How stupid does that sound?
The only time where I would feel denying resources to other entities is if you have a feeling they're building a force to evict you.
Ghenghis Kralj wrote:Like Reggie Miller and puns, you may not understand how an expo works, maybe? You go away for a week and bear chain some c5s and set yourself isk wise for a few months.
And someone comes into your chain and despawns your sites? |
B0T0
X Legion Against Probes
21
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Posted - 2015.04.22 19:52:06 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:being a primarily a PvP focused corp who wants to start brawling with the big boys
Then move to C5 with static to C5
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