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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.11.05 01:57:00 -
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The obvious solution is to make downtime from 0900-1700.
This allows everyone to get 8 hours of sleep so they can be fully awake for the other 16 hours of EVE playing.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Reiisha
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2006.11.05 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kerosene The subscriber base has significantly increased for those whose primetime is downtime.
It has increased more in other times - downtime is still the lowest population time. Check the server graphs.
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Audrea
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mephysto Move the DT? Not going to happen unless someone works out how to feed people coffee while they sleep. You should see the office before people have had there 3rd cup of the day.
You allow them to waste work time by drinking cofee?? and to add on the sins, at least 3 times a day???
Fire, fire all the lazy *****es! Like a true despot ------------------ Save Tranquility! |
F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.05 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
If for some reason DT requires some input from Iceland that is only GMT-2 which would be 0800hrs?
Iceland is GMT, so for half the year the devs are in the same TZ as IT.
There's a lot of DB maintenance that happens during DT. I think there's some defragging that goes on, but mostly they clean out redundant/multiple entries, remove deleted ones, etc.
There are often also hotpatches to the server, I think at least one a week on average. Most of these are small, so no one outside CCP knows about them. Sometimes there are publicly announced ones, and then there are the ones that frack things up, so we hear about them after they're removed during a reboot.
Also, as above, sovereignty has to be updated, as well as outpost ownership, market issues (i.e. where's my stuff after I cancelled an order?), and the absurd Complex resets.
The devs tried to do away with daily DT so that it would only be a couple times a week, but that didn't work well, as there were too many DB glitches that caused lag and other no-nos. And that was two years ago when the pop was 1/3 what it is today, and DB entries were likely a tiny fraction of what they are now.
Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when backdoor bandit is in local.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.05 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: Kerosene The subscriber base has significantly increased for those whose primetime is downtime.
It has increased more in other times - downtime is still the lowest population time. Check the server graphs.
Hahaha, yeah never gets old that. Nobody plays during DT therefore it is in the right spot.
On a serious note would you imagine growth may be somehow hampered by the servers being offline for an hour in the middle of primetime here everyday?
Last year we were told CCP were working to do away with DT. This year it's a flat no, not going to do squat about DT. Maybe next year we'll have a win. Probably not though.
Ah well, screw the APAC I guess is the MOTD.
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2006.11.05 13:19:00 -
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I don't believe DT times need to be changed. They are fine the way they are. If it could be eliminated, that would be good. But that could be a logistical IT nightmare. CCP's time is better spent in working towards giving me new shiny ships... new ships keeps me happy.
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Brutor Shaun
Minmatar Freelancers UK Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.05 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kerosene 0900-1000
2. UK people are either waking up or on their way to work
Or already been at work for over an hour!
Originally by: Kerosene 11-1200
2. UK people have woken up and the unemployed/students can't play
GOOD!! Incentive for them to get off their lazy arses and go out and get a job!
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Tara'Quoya Rax
Black-Sun
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Posted - 2006.11.05 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Mephysto Move the DT? Not going to happen unless someone works out how to feed people coffee while they sleep. You should see the office before people have had there 3rd cup of the day.
Provide high concentration caffeine candy to all employees and make it policy for everyone to consume a minimum amount every day.
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Xs 142
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Posted - 2006.11.05 13:57:00 -
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Who the hell sleeps until 0900-1000 anyways? some of us actually have things to do.
Like watering our plants, doing the dishes and changing clothes....
Originally by: Oveur Eternally yours, The other dumbass
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Pherusa Plumosa
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Masakaa As it stands us Aussies get screwed every day with the DT right when most of us want to play.
To all those idiots that say "too bad", "move elsewhere", "do something else" I would love to see DT moved to the middle of your prime playing time and listen to the screams then.
To all those who say it is when the admins are at work I would love you to come and explain to my boss here that I should take down the production systems for an hour in the middle of the day because that is when I am working.
Heck try to explain to my boss that I have to take down the system every day for an hour.
No IT system should need to be shut down for an hour every day to fix stuff. That shows poor design, poor maintenance or both. I would get shot at work here if our production systems had to have that!
You don't seem to have any idea how a big server-cluster works. Of course you can maintain a server-cluster, which is working all the time, but therefore, you need at least the double amount of computers to guarantee high-availability. You also need special (and very expensive) software to synchronize the original and the redundant cluster. Of course you can set up Eve on a level 7 faultresistent server cluster with transparent redundancy, a voltage and frequency dependend uninterruptible power supply, emp, fire and nuclear resistant server rooms with argon atmosphere and with admins who stand up at 4 am doing server maintenance.
It is just a matter of money. Are you willing to pay 100$ per month to play Eve?
I am not. The system is designed for a GAME and not for air traffic control. So cool down and think before you insult the guys from CCP for caring about the servers we play on.
Pherusa
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rodgerd
Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: rodgerd on 05/11/2006 19:38:39
Originally by: MysticNZ Edited by: MysticNZ on 02/11/2006 20:42:32 I agree with the op. From New Zealand the DT falls at a crappy time.
The downtime falls at 11 pm in normal time, midnight in daylight savings. "Crappy time"?
Perhaps when you get a job you'll change your mind.
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Taram Caldar
Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Zinzal Does anyone know why it has to be daily?
Yeah Because it's running on Windows UNGH :)
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Taram Caldar
Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Mephysto Move the DT? Not going to happen unless someone works out how to feed people coffee while they sleep. You should see the office before people have had there 3rd cup of the day.
LOL!!!!! Know how you feel. I work the 5am to 5pm at work here and I'm pretty useless till I have a couple cups in me.
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Taram Caldar
Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Pherusa Plumosa
Originally by: Masakaa As it stands us Aussies get screwed every day with the DT right when most of us want to play.
To all those idiots that say "too bad", "move elsewhere", "do something else" I would love to see DT moved to the middle of your prime playing time and listen to the screams then.
To all those who say it is when the admins are at work I would love you to come and explain to my boss here that I should take down the production systems for an hour in the middle of the day because that is when I am working.
Heck try to explain to my boss that I have to take down the system every day for an hour.
No IT system should need to be shut down for an hour every day to fix stuff. That shows poor design, poor maintenance or both. I would get shot at work here if our production systems had to have that!
You don't seem to have any idea how a big server-cluster works. Of course you can maintain a server-cluster, which is working all the time, but therefore, you need at least the double amount of computers to guarantee high-availability. You also need special (and very expensive) software to synchronize the original and the redundant cluster. Of course you can set up Eve on a level 7 faultresistent server cluster with transparent redundancy, a voltage and frequency dependend uninterruptible power supply, emp, fire and nuclear resistant server rooms with argon atmosphere and with admins who stand up at 4 am doing server maintenance.
It is just a matter of money. Are you willing to pay 100$ per month to play Eve?
I am not. The system is designed for a GAME and not for air traffic control. So cool down and think before you insult the guys from CCP for caring about the servers we play on.
Pherusa
QFT
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Depp Knight
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.06 08:08:00 -
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Im an aussie and DT sucks for me. It stats at 9pm. thats like prime time stuff there. When i work and im not a full time worker i get home around 7pm. After a shower, dinner and of course Seinfeld the time can quickly get to 8-830. The point is, eve takes time to travel and what not and logging in 30mins before downtime doesnt give much time for you to do things. The fact is i often log back on after dt to complete whatever i wanted to do. Normally getting to dest B.
If Dt was to be 2 hrs early it will give me a solid 3 hrs of gaming.
Now for the late US gamers, how unfair is it if they were to complain that they have dt at 2am. 2 am is not prime time stuff for them.
I will be all for it if dt was to be move an hr or two earlier. But atm i can still live with a 9pm shut down.
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Rick Dentill
Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.06 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kerosene
0900-1000 1. US people are in bed 2. UK people are either waking up or on their way to work 3. MOST IMPORTANTLY east side Aussies are having their dinners 4. Asians are returning from work (my timezone)
Nooo I get up at 7am GMT at weekends, for an 8am start in game, that would suck uber much. 11am is perfect on a weekend, gives me time do all the chores before lunch. _______
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Beor0d
Congregatio
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Posted - 2006.11.06 17:18:00 -
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For me DT isn't realy a problem, but if you have a look at the financial way there is a small (very small) problem and i am not complaining about this BUT you pay for 30 days (or 50 or whatever) and only get less then 29 days playtime. Correct me if i am wrong but the DT in germany takes place in the middle of the day and not like the US ppl who are sleeping. Would be cooler if CCP counts an extra day to all ppl per month if not it doesn't matter. _______________________ Mining makes mad |
James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.06 17:42:00 -
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Iceland is on GMT. Devs are in Iceland. Seems a reasonable justification for having a 'GMT convenient' downtime to me.
Downtime happens daily because 'maintenance tasks' keep the system happier and more stable. Things like tidying file systems, databases, backing up the whole kaboodle go a lot faster and have less overhead if done when the userbase is offline.
Take your pick really - you get to choose between a daily downtime that you can work around, or 'unscheduled' downtimes at inconvenient points, usually when the load is highest. I know which I prefer.
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Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2006.11.06 17:49:00 -
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I would gladly give up an hour of gameplay to have the advantage of having downtime happen in my primetime.
The extra money I'd make from plexes alone would be worth it. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
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Mihae
Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.06 18:14:00 -
[110]
Don't change please.
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Pherusa Plumosa
Minmatar Freedom for All
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Posted - 2006.11.06 21:51:00 -
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I've read the 4 pages now and got the quintessence of this discussion. So let's face the root of the matter. All your trouble can be reduced to one single problem:
Our earth is an orb.
So let us discuss about solutions and not about the problem.
The mathematical way: solution 1 (mathematical-religious): We declare that earth is a disc solution 2: We declare that space is two-dimensional
The physical way: we simply stop earth rotation, so we don't have problems with timezones anymore and downtime will be always at the same time because there is no other time
The political way: Aussies speak english. Therfore we can declare Australia as a part of the USA and they get their timezones.
The economical way: We pay 100$ per month for a high available server cluster. (see above)
The M$ way: We do it without security and server maintenance and hope everything goes well.
Greets. Pherusa
Pherusa
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Glyn Davish
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Posted - 2006.11.06 22:03:00 -
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It's one measly hour.
Read a book, watch TV, prepare a meal, pay your bills, do your homework, paint a portrait, take a shower. The possibilities are nearly endless.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2006.11.06 22:11:00 -
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No matter what time DT is, its 9pm somewhere on planet earth.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2006.11.06 22:17:00 -
[114]
Oh so it's the Aussies jacking the complexes just after DT.
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Dee Ellis
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Posted - 2006.11.06 22:25:00 -
[115]
It's just an hour atleast... WoW has waaay longer...
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Reiisha
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2006.11.06 23:17:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: Kerosene The subscriber base has significantly increased for those whose primetime is downtime.
It has increased more in other times - downtime is still the lowest population time. Check the server graphs.
Hahaha, yeah never gets old that. Nobody plays during DT therefore it is in the right spot.
On a serious note would you imagine growth may be somehow hampered by the servers being offline for an hour in the middle of primetime here everyday?
Last year we were told CCP were working to do away with DT. This year it's a flat no, not going to do squat about DT. Maybe next year we'll have a win. Probably not though.
Ah well, screw the APAC I guess is the MOTD.
DT is around the time where even the late US people go to bed, and EU people are working. And whatever way you want to put it, the Asian timezones *are* the least populated ones - it's the reason the server population peaks out at 10 pm GMT, and not 10 PM CST, EST or Japanese time. As i said, check the server graphs, downtime is fine the way it is.
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