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xahldera
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Godar Marak Edited by: Godar Marak on 02/11/2006 17:56:20
Originally by: Valrandir
Originally by: Godar Marak I used to love CCP, before they started changing the game to please the masses.
I might agree to a certain degree, but first please explain yourself in details then we can discuss.
They are making the game more 'user friendly'. This game used to be awsome and unforgiving.
It all started with Red Moon Rising. Less gank, then jump clones to prevent you from loosing implants. Then more hitpoints, jump que, fleet skills etc etc.
I dont recognize anymore, the game I once learned to love.
I would disagree, although I will admit I'm late to the party. Once I went through a low sec system gate and was camped instantly. Entirely my fault, I don't dispute that. I would also point out that CCP is a business and it has to please the masses to make money. All MMO's do that to some extent. I find CCP seems to have struck a good balance right now, IMHO. You might not agree, that's fine. Just my two pence in the ring.
Xahldera I once saw a Megathron on escrow that was actually a piece of megacyte. -User on Corp Chatroom |
KayaYautja
Caldari Ore Mongers Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:00:00 -
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Indeed, not enought people appreciate what they're doing. SHOW YOUR APPRECIATION YOU IN-GRATEFULL SODS!
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Tweety Bird
Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:02:00 -
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CCP made by far the best online game eva
that there some bug's and server issu's is imo normal for a bad ass giantik game like eve
no online game is or wil ever be "bug free"
for da whinners go play WoW ffs and leave us alone
so yeah keep up the good work and feed us with al the new goodies
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Godar Marak
Amarr Return Of Red Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: xahldera
I would also point out that CCP is a business and it has to please the masses to make money.
Thats just it, they were almost bankrupt and yet they created the best mmo we have seen yet.
But thats changing, unfortunatly. -------------------- \0/\0/\0/\0/\0/ Cant we all just get along? Wheres EVE heading? |
Spike Larosse
RSP Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:03:00 -
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ccp ftw, tbh. ------------------------------------------------ -RSP- |
Zebler
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:04:00 -
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Edited by: Zebler on 02/11/2006 18:05:17 Edited by: Zebler on 02/11/2006 18:04:56
Originally by: Eressa Edited by: Eressa on 02/11/2006 12:42:52 Edited by: Eressa on 02/11/2006 12:42:26 Who else?
The fact that the servers were up six hours early are the proof of reasonable calculations and competent technicians. Thumbs up
omg pwned :p
(your timing is unfortunate )
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Galk
Gallente Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Neutron Yes, ccp are doing great job, they do listen to players and admit to all problems.
Not in the slightest.. most untrue statement ever...
No love from me.
If you can show me any admittance over player concerns on the issue of legalised rmt in the form of timecodes... i might change my mind and show a little.
Allways amazes me how the pr guy 3 up can 'allways' reply to these threads, and never any ones that spring up with genuine concerns.
No love at all. ______
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Valrandir
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Godar Marak Edited by: Godar Marak on 02/11/2006 17:56:20
Originally by: Valrandir
Originally by: Godar Marak I used to love CCP, before they started changing the game to please the masses.
I might agree to a certain degree, but first please explain yourself in details then we can discuss.
They are making the game more 'user friendly'. This game used to be awsome and unforgiving.
It all started with Red Moon Rising. Less gank, then jump clones to prevent you from loosing implants. Then more hitpoints, jump que, fleet skills etc etc.
I dont recognize anymore, the game I once learned to love.
- Less gank Ships still get popped in an instant with focused fleet fire. The new way that damage mods stack balance the game better and discourage from fitting 8 Heat Sink II in the low slots. It does not dumb down the game, but offer more fitting options.
- Jump Clones They allow one jump every 24 hours, and you need to have your logistics planned well since only your soul is jumping, not your ship. Now if you have +5 implants, you can choose to stop 'remove' them for a while if you want to PvP without risking them, but at the same time you train slower meanwhile. There is still a trade off. It does not dumb down EvE, but increase the possibilities and require planning.
- More hit points gives more time to react during a fight and to enjoy it. It does add some balance issues, but they will be solved eventually. It does not make the game easier to play.
- The jump queue is there to prevent pilots from getting stuck after jumping. It is an improvement to the system overall and have nothing to do with dumbing down the game.
- Gang skills, are a first step toward having a much better organization of the gang, with squadrons, wings and fleets. It is adding complexity in the universe. This does not simplify the game toward the mass, but instead add new complexity.
Now here are a few points which IMHO does simplify the game and have bad side effect - Inssurance It artificially inject new ISK in the market, the 3 month duration is way to long, it still apply if we self-destruct our ship, it have a default pay back. It was added in response to pilots who were to soft for EvE and leaving after losing their precious cruiser. Inssurance is there for the mass, and should be overhauled.
- Warp Core Stabilizer going from being a medium slot, activable module to a passive low slot module. This was bad, and added due to whining of soft pilots. At least they are now getting fixed. Hail CCP!
In conclusion, eve still remain an harsh world where PvP is meaning full. We can declare war in empire, compete on the market, spy, steal, deceive. Empires raise and fall, politics thrive. Existing features are improved, new features are added, the core graphics engine is being remade with DX10, new content are added and balanced step by step.
EvE is THE one MMORPG to rule them all. Now bow.
- Valrandir
-------------------------------- This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware.
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Valrandir
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Godar Marak
Originally by: xahldera
I would also point out that CCP is a business and it has to please the masses to make money.
Thats just it, they were almost bankrupt and yet they created the best mmo we have seen yet.
But thats changing, unfortunatly.
Note that they are their own publisher, and that the original idea and spirit of EvE is the same and there to stay.
-------------------------------- This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware.
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Tweety Bird
Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Valrandir
EvE is THE one MMORPG to rule them all. Now bow.
- Valrandir
Amen
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Godar Marak
Amarr Return Of Red Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:24:00 -
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Edited by: Godar Marak on 02/11/2006 18:26:07
Originally by: Valrandir
- Less gank Ships still get popped in an instant with focused fleet fire. The new way that damage mods stack balance the game better and discourage from fitting 8 Heat Sink II in the low slots. It does not dumb down the game, but offer more fitting options.
Why shouldnt a ship get popped in an instant if you have a whole fleet firing at you? After all, you are flying ships who are build to destroy.
And how does it offer more fitting options when you have a stacking pentaly?
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- Jump Clones They allow one jump every 24 hours, and you need to have your logistics planned well since only your soul is jumping, not your ship. Now if you have +5 implants, you can choose to stop 'remove' them for a while if you want to PvP without risking them, but at the same time you train slower meanwhile. There is still a trade off.
Well I beg to differ, to trainm slower doesnt hurt at all. Loosing millions worth of implants does.
Over the years I've probably lost a billion worth of implants, it hurted my wallet yes but I dont see that as a bad thing.
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It does not dumb down EvE, but increase the possibilities and require planning.
It dumbes down EVE in the sense that (as mentioned earlier) its more forgiving. It might just be me, but I feel that the game doesnt fit the background story anymore.
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- More hit points gives more time to react during a fight and to enjoy it. It does add some balance issues, but they will be solved eventually. It does not make the game easier to play.
More hitpoints do make the game easier. So you encounter ship 'x' while you are flying ship 'y', you should know what to do as soon as you see the ship on your overview.
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- The jump queue is there to prevent pilots from getting stuck after jumping. It is an improvement to the system overall and have nothing to do with dumbing down the game.
Might be the case, but its a serious change in the philosophy of EVE. Only other game I have encountered queue is when I was silly enough to try the WOW trial.
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- Gang skills, are a first step toward having a much better organization of the gang, with squadrons, wings and fleets. It is adding complexity in the universe. This does not simplify the game toward the mass, but instead add new complexity.
Gang/fleet combat are doing just fine. I fail to see ANY reason to introduce these skills besides 'nerfing' blobs.
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Now here are a few points which IMHO does simplify the game and have bad side effect - Inssurance It artificially inject new ISK in the market, the 3 month duration is way to long, it still apply if we self-destruct our ship, it have a default pay back. It was added in response to pilots who were to soft for EvE and leaving after losing their precious cruiser. Inssurance is there for the mass, and should be overhauled.
I cant really comment this, as I always played this game to kill people and get killed.
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- Warp Core Stabilizer going from being a medium slot, activable module to a passive low slot module. This was bad, and added due to whining of soft pilots. At least they are now getting fixed. Hail CCP!
Nerfing Red alliance and other stabbed up warriors is a good thing. It doesnt affect industrial ships what so ever.
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Now bow.
7 months ago yeah, but not anymore. -------------------- \0/\0/\0/\0/\0/ Cant we all just get along? Wheres EVE heading? |
Carcusian
Flashman Services Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:31:00 -
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CCP, yeah, she be my master-
I am now accepting asset donations from disgrunrled players who intend to quit.
<3 ccp!
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xahldera
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:31:00 -
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I don't mean to be rude, Godar Marak, but if it upsets you so much why don't you look for another MMO. That's what I would do if I get fed up with a game.
Xahldera I once saw a Megathron on escrow that was actually a piece of megacyte. -User on Corp Chatroom |
Godar Marak
Amarr Return Of Red Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: xahldera I don't mean to be rude, Godar Marak, but if it upsets you so much why don't you look for another MMO. That's what I would do if I get fed up with a game.
No offense taken, I have cancelled my accounts. -------------------- \0/\0/\0/\0/\0/ Cant we all just get along? Wheres EVE heading? |
xahldera
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Godar Marak
Originally by: xahldera I don't mean to be rude, Godar Marak, but if it upsets you so much why don't you look for another MMO. That's what I would do if I get fed up with a game.
No offense taken, I have cancelled my accounts.
OK. Again, none meant. It's something I would do if Eve becomes unbearable for me. Which is might do later, I don't know.
Xahldera I once saw a Megathron on escrow that was actually a piece of megacyte. -User on Corp Chatroom |
Easy Target
Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:55:00 -
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CCP know they are doing something right, i am sure they have software that can show them the amount of 3 + year old players who log in still on a pretty much daily basis...
Safe in the knowledge that for every complaint their would be 10 people not complaining...
Whiners shout the loudest... :)
3 and a half years... playing the one game...
CCP may not be perfect, and i am sure they would be the first to agree that they have made some "interesting" decisions, but they are doing enough right to keep me interested, keep me logging in, and stop me trying the "competition" for more than a week. :)
Easy Target -----------------------------------------------
No i'm not good... but i have never claimed to be -------------------- |
Oswald Forbes
Caldari The Armour Archive Navy
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Posted - 2006.11.02 19:02:00 -
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CCP rocks!
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Antithysis
Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.02 19:33:00 -
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Indeed. After being flogged with the whip nightly by SOE (Planetside) because I wanted to know why the game was so laggy, I finally decided I had enough. I actually found EVE and CCP through planetsidestats.net when it originally went down (for those that were playing PS when it happened, you know what I'm talking about ). I am now officially hooked on this game. The devs care about the users, we can ask what is going on without getting banned (it has happened on the PS forums), and it is an awesome game! What more can you ask for?
We wub you CCP! --------
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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2006.11.02 19:48:00 -
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Love CCP for brining the servers up early last night. I did not expect to play last night, and my next time would be only after work this evening. I was pleasantly surprised when i could login last night and play as usual. Great job
=================================== Above comments are my personal views
Originally by: Oveur Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
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Byzan Zwyth
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.02 19:48:00 -
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I dont know, I've been training nothing but learning skills for 3 weeks so CCP are off my xmas card list. 3 week of pointless grind ---------------------- I fly Amarr and Gallente ships Amarr because they peow peow - and look cool... Gallente because they are effective |
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Bishop 5
Gallente Evisceration. EVE Alliance9673
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Posted - 2006.11.02 19:51:00 -
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much <3 to CCP -------------
meh |
Valrandir
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.02 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Byzan Zwyth I dont know, I've been training nothing but learning skills for 3 weeks so CCP are off my xmas card list. 3 week of pointless grind
You took the decision to play EvE in a very boring way. Then you got bored, and left
You made it boring, not CCP.
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Steph Wing
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Posted - 2006.11.02 22:45:00 -
[53]
Three cheers for CCP!
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Uggster
Caldari Never'where
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Posted - 2006.11.02 22:52:00 -
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I have an anatomically correct doll that I call CCP.
It's been put in a dark draw for a while cos it was bad, bad, Bad, BAD
but today I took it out again
and touched it. _______________________________________________
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Darksaber64x
Ecchi co.
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Posted - 2006.11.02 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Byzan Zwyth I dont know, I've been training nothing but learning skills for 3 weeks so CCP are off my xmas card list. 3 week of pointless grind
Right, that's their fault how? If it's pointless, then don't train it. It's there as a OPTION for those who want to train skills faster. It's not NEEDED, it just helps.
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Raven
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Posted - 2006.11.02 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Godar Marak
No offense taken, I have cancelled my accounts.
That's nice to know. Your view of this game seems to be awfully narrowminded.
BTW can I have your stuff
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Greme
Amarr Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.11.02 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Uggster I have an anatomically correct doll that I call CCP.
It's been put in a dark draw for a while cos it was bad, bad, Bad, BAD
but today I took it out again
and touched it.
That is.......the most awful thing I have ever heard, and I've had to listen to Righteous Fury on Teamspeak.
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Grigori Sokolov
adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.02 23:38:00 -
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Yes, very good job yesterday CCP, I am proud to play EVE!
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Ecnav
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.03 00:53:00 -
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Thanks CCP.
Your heart stopping, adrenaline pumping pvp is by far some of the best experiences I have ever had with a game.
Thanks again you guys, keep it up.
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Constantine Arcanum
Gallente IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.
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Posted - 2006.11.03 00:55:00 -
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Every time I have a nice petition response I tell the GM I love them. GM Arkanon even said the feeling was mutual and made a little <3!
I LUB(e) CCP! I helped - Cortes What a shiny and lovely place here - Eshtir Well lets make it a party atleast :D -Xorus RAWWWR!11!!1!2 SIG HIJACK!!11!1 I found it first, get orrrfff moiiii laaannnd - Cortes |
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