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Cez
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Posted - 2006.11.02 13:49:00 -
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Many vets can remember when prices of minerals were 1,4,16,64,264... I don't mind the free market and the flucuating of prices. However, patch after patch we have expanded Eve... more blueprints... more players... more minerals required... bigger and better things to build... and with Kali, we'll be expanding even more. Do you think to counter the expansion of Eve, we should counter with more materials that help build Eve?
I ask you this? The minerals are becoming rarer and rarer. Where's the mineral boost? Where's the roid belt boost? ... The new regions in Kali won't play a huge role. I'm talking about the common ores/minerals in Empire. Prices have gone up and up... there's hardly ever a drop anymore. Why not boost the refines? Add more roids at belts? Add more belts? Increase the grow rate?
Just a thought... from someone watching nox go well over 500 now and in some areas reaching 600!
Like it or not, I think something eventually needs to be done.
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Ralara
Caldari Reunited O X I D E
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Posted - 2006.11.02 13:52:00 -
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mine some roids then :)
refine it and sell it. Flood the market and bring the average price down :)
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.02 13:53:00 -
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Umm.. eight new regions coming in Kali (if I remember correctly)? That's not enough minerals for you? :)
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PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
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Posted - 2006.11.02 13:54:00 -
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I see this as a positive. Ship prices are too cheap in my opinion.
If I had my way minerals in low sec would be even more hazardous to get to. As for mining in empire, well It should be showing signs of being mined out. Perhaps this would lead to more low sec and 0.0 colonisation instead of 600+ in Jita
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Glumpumpkin
House Elf Liberation Front
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Posted - 2006.11.02 13:54:00 -
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As minerals become more rare the incentive for people to abandon their safety to mine them for profit increases, keeping the supply of minerals constant. Keeping prices artificially low would only serve to eliminate that incentive, resulting in mineral shortages. It's a non-issue.
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Cez
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Posted - 2006.11.02 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara mine some roids then :)
refine it and sell it. Flood the market and bring the average price down :)
LMAO... good answer. But more work is not a fix... and to flood every region, is quite a huge task.
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Cez
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Posted - 2006.11.02 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink Umm.. eight new regions coming in Kali (if I remember correctly)? That's not enough minerals for you? :)
Please read entire post before an unconstructive reply.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.02 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink Umm.. eight new regions coming in Kali (if I remember correctly)? That's not enough minerals for you? :)
Theres a shortage on roids? Hell no... -----
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Cez
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Posted - 2006.11.02 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Glumpumpkin As minerals become more rare the incentive for people to abandon their safety to mine them for profit increases, keeping the supply of minerals constant. Keeping prices artificially low would only serve to eliminate that incentive, resulting in mineral shortages. It's a non-issue.
Keeping supply consistant only increases the price... wont ever make it come down. Maybe what we need is a small boost to refine amounts.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Cez
Originally by: Winterblink Umm.. eight new regions coming in Kali (if I remember correctly)? That's not enough minerals for you? :)
Please read entire post before an unconstructive reply.
What was unconstructive? I'm flat out disagreeing that eight regions of ore will not solve your perceived problem. I don't have to agree with you for it to be considered constructive.
Perhaps if you indicated WHY those new regions won't help with what you think is a problem, it might help.
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Cez
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik I see this as a positive. Ship prices are too cheap in my opinion.
If I had my way minerals in low sec would be even more hazardous to get to. As for mining in empire, well It should be showing signs of being mined out. Perhaps this would lead to more low sec and 0.0 colonisation instead of 600+ in Jita
Not everyone builds ships... I'm speaking of just the materials that are the foundation of everything in Eve. Prices have gone up up up... which is mainly due to the rich buyers who can build capital and t2 for larger profits... high prices dont hurt them as much as a t1 builder.
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Nev Clavain
Wise Guys
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:03:00 -
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Do the decent thing and setup an alt char for 23/7 afk dreadnought veld mining. If enough people do this for the sake of the community, prices will come down :) Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels and 24000 bytes in size or less. -Kaemonn |
Mesuno
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:03:00 -
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There really isn't a shortage of roids.
Yes some high sec empire systems get mined out regularly but simply moving to less busy areas will often find you stuffed belts. Moving to quiet low sec or 0.0 and you often get the impression no one has ever mined there at all. Yes it requires some more logistics to support, and the risk increases, but so does the reward.
Eve market is a constantly shifting equilibrium between shifting supply and demand. Artificially changing the supply of minerals by changing mining yields, roid respawns or loot refining yields really will do nothing but give that equilibrium a jolt and possibly destabilise supply. What miner will carry on mining if their reward is reduced by a sharp price drop?
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Oveur
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Cez Many vets can remember when prices of minerals were 1,4,16,64,264... I don't mind the free market and the flucuating of prices. However, patch after patch we have expanded Eve... more blueprints... more players... more minerals required... bigger and better things to build... and with Kali, we'll be expanding even more. Do you think to counter the expansion of Eve, we should counter with more materials that help build Eve?
I ask you this? The minerals are becoming rarer and rarer. Where's the mineral boost? Where's the roid belt boost? ... The new regions in Kali won't play a huge role. I'm talking about the common ores/minerals in Empire. Prices have gone up and up... there's hardly ever a drop anymore. Why not boost the refines? Add more roids at belts? Add more belts? Increase the grow rate?
Just a thought... from someone watching nox go well over 500 now and in some areas reaching 600!
Like it or not, I think something eventually needs to be done.
I'm looking at averages for the last 6 months and Nocx averages are pretty consistent. The average of Nocxium went from 420 to 480 though within this month. Other than that, just above 400. I think you should shop around more
And even if it had gone to 600, we wouldn't have done anything, this is beauty of the economy.
Senior Producer EVE Online
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Cez
Originally by: Glumpumpkin As minerals become more rare the incentive for people to abandon their safety to mine them for profit increases, keeping the supply of minerals constant. Keeping prices artificially low would only serve to eliminate that incentive, resulting in mineral shortages. It's a non-issue.
Keeping supply consistant only increases the price... wont ever make it come down. Maybe what we need is a small boost to refine amounts.
Go to 0.0 and see the wonders of the vast chunks of low end roids there. They never get mined....why? Because the price the minerals go for doesn't make it worthwhile yet.
If low end min prices rise, then maybe the low ends in 0.0 will be sucked up. As it stands, there is a massive amount of untapped resources out there, but the averagejoe doesn't want to bother going out and getting it.
Don't screw with the market because people are lazy.
....it's great hi-jacking a meme isn't it?
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Cez
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Cez
Originally by: Winterblink Umm.. eight new regions coming in Kali (if I remember correctly)? That's not enough minerals for you? :)
Please read entire post before an unconstructive reply.
What was unconstructive? I'm flat out disagreeing that eight regions of ore will not solve your perceived problem. I don't have to agree with you for it to be considered constructive.
Perhaps if you indicated WHY those new regions won't help with what you think is a problem, it might help.
Because they are 0.0 regions... most of what is mined out there is produced out there. And like I said, it won't play a huge role. If you think they are magical regions and prices will drop, then explain YOUR reasons.
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cez Because they are 0.0 regions... most of what is mined out there is produced out there. And like I said, it won't play a huge role. If you think they are magical regions and prices will drop, then explain YOUR reasons.
Nothing is stopping you going there and mining it.
....it's great hi-jacking a meme isn't it?
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur And even if it had gone to 600, we wouldn't have done anything, this is beauty of the economy.
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Caleb Paine
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:08:00 -
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Yup, due to those prices people will start to do more trading and hauling. In the end the only thing stopping prices from rising is when the customers come to their senses and refuse to buy overpriced products. Until that time the middleman is going to be rich.
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Cez
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: Cez Many vets can remember when prices of minerals were 1,4,16,64,264... I don't mind the free market and the flucuating of prices. However, patch after patch we have expanded Eve... more blueprints... more players... more minerals required... bigger and better things to build... and with Kali, we'll be expanding even more. Do you think to counter the expansion of Eve, we should counter with more materials that help build Eve?
I ask you this? The minerals are becoming rarer and rarer. Where's the mineral boost? Where's the roid belt boost? ... The new regions in Kali won't play a huge role. I'm talking about the common ores/minerals in Empire. Prices have gone up and up... there's hardly ever a drop anymore. Why not boost the refines? Add more roids at belts? Add more belts? Increase the grow rate?
Just a thought... from someone watching nox go well over 500 now and in some areas reaching 600!
Like it or not, I think something eventually needs to be done.
I'm looking at averages for the last 6 months and Nocx averages are pretty consistent. The average of Nocxium went from 420 to 480 though within this month. Other than that, just above 400. I think you should shop around more
And even if it had gone to 600, we wouldn't have done anything, this is beauty of the economy.
Ahhh... a dev response Is it okay if I disagree with you, since you can prolly check all regions prices with a click of a button... however, players don't have that ability.
The trend is up and up for prices... show me whats gone down? I love the beauty of the economy, but when you keep adding more things to produce, it only makes sense to add more of what you need to produce... or you're just tending to the rich who can afford the higher prices and make bigger profits.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cez Because they are 0.0 regions... most of what is mined out there is produced out there. And like I said, it won't play a huge role. If you think they are magical regions and prices will drop, then explain YOUR reasons.
So your issue is that you actually have to take yourself somewhere and mine the minerals, risking the loss of your ship and gear for the minerals you want?
I never suggested they're magical regions and prices will drop. I don't think there's an issue in the first place. That's a major part of the reason I disagree with you that there is a problem at all. :)
If it's too expensive for you to buy them, go mine them yourself. Sell some even, the high prices will net you a nice profit.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:14:00 -
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The price of minerals used to be fixed by NPC orders. Now it's fixed by a maximum based on the insurance cost of ships and by the price of refinable NPC-sold goods. The price of that maximum is a lot higher than minerals used to be worth, about three times as high as the old base prices.
The real problem is that megacyte isn't used as much as zydrine in production, so supply vastly exceeds demand. You'll notice that at times, zydrine is actually worth MORE than megacyte. That is some really messed up stuff there. The base NPC prices put its worth at double what zyd is worth.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:15:00 -
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I just team up with Alkimedes, mine some Veldspar, turn it into Omber and refine it - sell Iso, buy Nocx.
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Cez
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
If it's too expensive for you to buy them, go mine them yourself. Sell some even, the high prices will net you a nice profit.
This isn't a personal issue on what I can and can't do.
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Cez The trend is up and up for prices... show me whats gone down? I love the beauty of the economy, but when you keep adding more things to produce, it only makes sense to add more of what you need to produce... or you're just tending to the rich who can afford the higher prices and make bigger profits.
Did you manage to miss 1/2 the posts in this thread?
Theres an overabundance of minerals in 0.0 if you can be arsed going to get them. If you want cheap minerals, go there, make yourself rich.
....it's great hi-jacking a meme isn't it?
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cez
Originally by: Winterblink If it's too expensive for you to buy them, go mine them yourself. Sell some even, the high prices will net you a nice profit.
This isn't a personal issue on what I can and can't do.
Well that wasn't my intent to make it personal, and I'm not going to apologize for your taking it that way. You also avoided the point I was making entirely.
Oh well.
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cez
Originally by: Winterblink
If it's too expensive for you to buy them, go mine them yourself. Sell some even, the high prices will net you a nice profit.
This isn't a personal issue on what I can and can't do.
No, you appear to be ranting about the lack of willingness of over players going about and tendering to your needs. If you cant be bothered doing it, why should anyone else?
....it's great hi-jacking a meme isn't it?
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Cez
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Twilight Moon
Originally by: Cez The trend is up and up for prices... show me whats gone down? I love the beauty of the economy, but when you keep adding more things to produce, it only makes sense to add more of what you need to produce... or you're just tending to the rich who can afford the higher prices and make bigger profits.
Did you manage to miss 1/2 the posts in this thread?
Theres an overabundance of minerals in 0.0 if you can be arsed going to get them. If you want cheap minerals, go there, make yourself rich.
Again, not a personal issue with my abilities to go anywhere. We can see abundance of minerals doesn't make a difference since they have been there for the last 3 years and prices still are headed up Up UP. The common ores are what we need more of... and in Empire. Either by boosting a bit of the refine to offset the loads of new bpos that have hit or are hitting market... or increase the grow rate... maybe make roids hitpoints increase by 50% so to speak... adding more ore from a roid.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Cez Again, not a personal issue with my abilities to go anywhere. We can see abundance of minerals doesn't make a difference since they have been there for the last 3 years and prices still are headed up Up UP. The common ores are what we need more of... and in Empire. Either by boosting a bit of the refine to offset the loads of new bpos that have hit or are hitting market... or increase the grow rate... maybe make roids hitpoints increase by 50% so to speak... adding more ore from a roid.
The increase compared to three years ago is due to the removal of a artificial stabalising agent. There's still one in play but it only limits the prices to a maximum of about three times the old prices.
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Cez
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Twilight Moon
Originally by: Cez
Originally by: Winterblink
If it's too expensive for you to buy them, go mine them yourself. Sell some even, the high prices will net you a nice profit.
This isn't a personal issue on what I can and can't do.
No, you appear to be ranting about the lack of willingness of over players going about and tendering to your needs. If you cant be bothered doing it, why should anyone else?
LMAO... my needs to do what? and what am I not be bothered to do? and what am I doing that makes others not want to bother?
As far as I see, this has been a perfect debate aside from a few off topic replies that try to make this a personal issue with me. Its not... believe me.
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