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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.22 11:14:14 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:baltec1 wrote: It used to be the other way around with a raven in almost every null systems belt ratting. Today the forge and lonetrek are where you find the bulk of the bots and its been like that for the last 5-7 years now, as your link shows.
So the bots are distributed in a similar manner to the player base, shock horror, also bots being 'concentrated' in those regions of space highly suggests a whole lot of mining bots rather than anything else in highsec. So.... your point? That 7 years ago they nerfed belt ratting a little?
If you had watched that video you would have seen they show both mining AND pve combat activities.
To your second point, belt ratting was doomed right from the start but yes, there as also been a few nerfs. See belt ratting used to be good isk but most of the reward is in the form of bounties and as time went past the reward went down due to inflation. Isk today will buy you half of what it used to back then so the effective income from belt ratting has been halfed simple due to inflation. On top of this came the loot nerfs (much needed for mining) which further eroded their worth.
Bots go where the isk is, which is why they used to be everywhere in null, today the bulk of them are in the forge and lonetreck regions because thats where the isk is.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
420
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Posted - 2015.05.22 11:24:37 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:baltec1 wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:
Reading this thread, it seems either the null dwellers posting suck, or are underrating the income. I never lived there for an extended period and I never made huge ISK from it, so I'm no expert. I know that a couple years ago the Null ratting bots were making as much as Incursion runners hands down. CCP has the confiscated PLEX to prove it.
80% of bots are found in highsec. Bots haven't been a thing in null for at least 7 years now and they have never pulled in incursion level isk. huh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX2Tn50UYFw move ahead to 30:40 or so Looks like bots are a thing in all parts of space. Juss sayan m
Mike, they have a presentation of the same in pdf format - http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/67092/1/Fanfest_2015_-_Team_Security_-_Better_Safe_Than_Sorry.pdf
Fascinating slide on page 17, relevant to Incursions as well, or is that especially?
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Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11079
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Posted - 2015.05.22 12:29:52 -
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baltec1 wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:baltec1 wrote: It used to be the other way around with a raven in almost every null systems belt ratting. Today the forge and lonetrek are where you find the bulk of the bots and its been like that for the last 5-7 years now, as your link shows.
So the bots are distributed in a similar manner to the player base, shock horror, also bots being 'concentrated' in those regions of space highly suggests a whole lot of mining bots rather than anything else in highsec. So.... your point? That 7 years ago they nerfed belt ratting a little? If you had watched that video you would have seen they show both mining AND pve combat activities. To your second point, belt ratting was doomed right from the start but yes, there as also been a few nerfs. See belt ratting used to be good isk but most of the reward is in the form of bounties and as time went past the reward went down due to inflation. Isk today will buy you half of what it used to back then so the effective income from belt ratting has been halfed simple due to inflation. On top of this came the loot nerfs (much needed for mining) which further eroded their worth. Bots go where the isk is, which is why they used to be everywhere in null, today the bulk of them are in the forge and lonetreck regions because thats where the isk is.
Imagine that Baltec, The poster you replied to who proves he's not interested in the actual truth of the matter didn't realize that the information he was presenting proved the exact opposite of what he believes (belief arrived at via ZERO personal testing or experience)? That's never happened before
More seriously, without the good will that comes from actual honesty, no discussion like this ever goes anywhere. Discussions about income/wealth (in a game and out ofit) always suffer from dishonesty born of ideological stubbornness. It's sillier in a game (not just because it's a game, but because what we are talking about IS personally testable and observable yet the main deniers refuse to undertake to do this), but it's just as real as when people do it in real life.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1819
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:48:54 -
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GankYou wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:baltec1 wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:
Reading this thread, it seems either the null dwellers posting suck, or are underrating the income. I never lived there for an extended period and I never made huge ISK from it, so I'm no expert. I know that a couple years ago the Null ratting bots were making as much as Incursion runners hands down. CCP has the confiscated PLEX to prove it.
80% of bots are found in highsec. Bots haven't been a thing in null for at least 7 years now and they have never pulled in incursion level isk. huh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX2Tn50UYFw move ahead to 30:40 or so Looks like bots are a thing in all parts of space. Juss sayan m Mike, they have a presentation of the same in pdf format - http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/67092/1/Fanfest_2015_-_Team_Security_-_Better_Safe_Than_Sorry.pdf Fascinating slide on page 17, relevant to Incursions as well, or is that especially?
While the lion share are still in HS, there are more and more region in null that have dots appearing for banned bots in NS on the heat map pages 41-42 and 44-45. For all the "bots aren't a thing in null" speak, the heat map show many region used to not even show up on the heat map and do now.
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
372
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Posted - 2015.05.22 14:40:21 -
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Vic Jefferson wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: I live in fountain now and i dont make billions a week risk free like hisec incursioners. It aint fair.
What about closing the Mom ship farming? Where they keep it alive and not kill it to farm more. What if it like had a set time limit you either had to kill it or it left across new eden somewhere else?
Thats gotta make incursions less of an easy iskfarm and makes sense?
Can we agree?
Another Brave Newbie and future FozzieSov resident railroaded by our corrupt and self-serving HiSec incursion system. Seriously, I have the utmost respect for brave and their mission. I really hope things turn around and they make Sov work for you and fun groups like Brave. You should convince enough of your Brave people to either post in this thread or raise these issues to their CSM representative.
The quoted Newbie most definitely doesn't represent the opinion of Brave Newbies Inc.
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
633
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Posted - 2015.05.22 14:43:29 -
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Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Vic Jefferson wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: I live in fountain now and i dont make billions a week risk free like hisec incursioners. It aint fair.
What about closing the Mom ship farming? Where they keep it alive and not kill it to farm more. What if it like had a set time limit you either had to kill it or it left across new eden somewhere else?
Thats gotta make incursions less of an easy iskfarm and makes sense?
Can we agree?
Another Brave Newbie and future FozzieSov resident railroaded by our corrupt and self-serving HiSec incursion system. Seriously, I have the utmost respect for brave and their mission. I really hope things turn around and they make Sov work for you and fun groups like Brave. You should convince enough of your Brave people to either post in this thread or raise these issues to their CSM representative. The quoted Newbie most definitely doesn't represent the opinion of Brave Newbies Inc.
i dont see anywhere where she claimed to represent the opinion of brave what on earth are you talking about?
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Joe Atei
Aes Dei Asher
11
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Posted - 2015.05.22 19:25:53 -
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beakerax wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:What about closing the Mom ship farming? Where they keep it alive and not kill it to farm more. I'd be interested to see what would happen if the payouts for mom sites were significantly increased (in propotion to HQ sites, anyway). There's no incentive to kill them when you could run two HQ sites and make the same payout in less time with fewer people. Quote:What if it like had a set time limit you either had to kill it or it left across new eden somewhere else? They already do, sort of. They're not quick about it though.
If the incentive is high enough, but not too high, this could work very well in actually reducing total isk paid out. |
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
169
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Posted - 2015.05.23 00:51:03 -
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Sitting in a trade hub and buying/selling has no risk what so ever. Please remove that cash cow from the game.
And please make it so I don't have to leave the safety of my nullsec zerg of death to make isk. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15942
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Posted - 2015.05.23 01:00:12 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Sitting in a trade hub and buying/selling has no risk what so ever. Please remove that cash cow from the game.
And please make it so I don't have to leave the safety of my nullsec zerg of death to make isk.
Again with this myth.
Trading is PvP and it is very risky. Just ask anyone who had investments in genelution implants.
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Mike Azariah
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.23 03:39:14 -
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We are wandering off topic, here.
I agree with whoever said earlier that the main issue is perception vs truth in income and isk flow. Grass is always greener and 'we got it tough, up hills both ways in the snow' start to muddy the waters. Then ridiculous maxima are thrown about as if they are what every person engaged in that activity makes as opposed to what the most efficient bling fleet can take down.
muddy water
If something is good, people will go to it, that will diminish the returns due to either market forces or diminishing availability of the resource itself. Incursions have a carrying capacity beyond which the returns drop. I assume the same goes for null anoms and even moons. Wormholes and faction war? Each seems to have an upper limit of income and then it becomes how is it divided and allocated. Is it to a group, to the solo pilot? To the holding corp or alliance?
Last thing we want is someone horning in on OUR income but you might like more targets to shoot so you ask for other incomes to be nerfed to the point that yours is the only game in town. But that isn't what Eve is or what it shuld be. Some people want to be solo, let them. Others like running with a group of people, that should be allowed as well as an income stream. Large organizataions need their income to stay viable . . . moons.
Conclusion for me is that if YOU think all the money is in Incursions then run them. Either it will make the payouts lessen as people compete for the resource or you will get rich.
No, I do not support nerfing them (though I would like to see the scouts sites rewritten)
m
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15947
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Posted - 2015.05.23 05:10:32 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:We are wandering off topic, here.
I agree with whoever said earlier that the main issue is perception vs truth in income and isk flow. Grass is always greener and 'we got it tough, up hills both ways in the snow' start to muddy the waters. Then ridiculous maxima are thrown about as if they are what every person engaged in that activity makes as opposed to what the most efficient bling fleet can take down.
muddy water
If something is good, people will go to it, that will diminish the returns due to either market forces or diminishing availability of the resource itself. Incursions have a carrying capacity beyond which the returns drop. I assume the same goes for null anoms and even moons. Wormholes and faction war? Each seems to have an upper limit of income and then it becomes how is it divided and allocated. Is it to a group, to the solo pilot? To the holding corp or alliance?
Last thing we want is someone horning in on OUR income but you might like more targets to shoot so you ask for other incomes to be nerfed to the point that yours is the only game in town. But that isn't what Eve is or what it shuld be. Some people want to be solo, let them. Others like running with a group of people, that should be allowed as well as an income stream. Large organizataions need their income to stay viable . . . moons.
Conclusion for me is that if YOU think all the money is in Incursions then run them. Either it will make the payouts lessen as people compete for the resource or you will get rich.
No, I do not support nerfing them (though I would like to see the scouts sites rewritten)
m
We do run them, that's the problem. Its not a case of people being jealous of other peoples grass being greener its about pointing out big problems with game imbalances that we are actively abusing.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
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Posted - 2015.05.23 05:28:05 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:We are wandering off topic, here.
I agree with whoever said earlier that the main issue is perception vs truth in income and isk flow. Grass is always greener and 'we got it tough, up hills both ways in the snow' start to muddy the waters. Then ridiculous maxima are thrown about as if they are what every person engaged in that activity makes as opposed to what the most efficient bling fleet can take down.
muddy water
If something is good, people will go to it, that will diminish the returns due to either market forces or diminishing availability of the resource itself. Incursions have a carrying capacity beyond which the returns drop. I assume the same goes for null anoms and even moons. Wormholes and faction war? Each seems to have an upper limit of income and then it becomes how is it divided and allocated. Is it to a group, to the solo pilot? To the holding corp or alliance?
Last thing we want is someone horning in on OUR income but you might like more targets to shoot so you ask for other incomes to be nerfed to the point that yours is the only game in town. But that isn't what Eve is or what it shuld be. Some people want to be solo, let them. Others like running with a group of people, that should be allowed as well as an income stream. Large organizataions need their income to stay viable . . . moons.
Conclusion for me is that if YOU think all the money is in Incursions then run them. Either it will make the payouts lessen as people compete for the resource or you will get rich.
No, I do not support nerfing them (though I would like to see the scouts sites rewritten)
m We do run them, that's the problem. Its not a case of people being jealous of other peoples grass being greener its about pointing out big problems with game imbalances that we are actively abusing.
And just to add to that, no one is seriously asking to remove incursions and ruin someone else's fun. Just rein them in a bit so that someone who is looking at their options for the highest ISK/hr isn't forced to choose highsec incursions because the risk vs reward balances for them is just head-and-shoulders above almost everything else in the game.
People should not feel that they cannot earn a living in their chosen home. On an individual level is this not just a perception - it is a fact that there is no other way to make near the maximum PvE income with so little risk - and people are leaving more dangerous space because of this.
EDIT: I'll just add a personal anecdote to highlight how important risk vs. reward is. I am a mostly solo player, but I am now quite comfortable leaving highsec and doing many things in the game. The first time I went to lowsec was to set up a PI operation. Why? Because the planets offered significantly more reward than highsec so I took the risk. The first time I went to null? It was for exploration sites for exactly the same reason. Now I make most of my income trading, but if I want to relax with some PvE I run gas sites in wormholes as although it is risky, is the most lucrative way to mine for a solo player to mine and I don't mind taking that risk for the greater reward.
But if I gave up trading and want to scale up my PvE activities to make the most ISK for a specific goal? Looking at what is on offer there is no choice. I would have to grind highsec incursions (or possibly lowsec FW missions) because nothing else holds a candle to the risk vs. reward balance for making ISK.
Risk vs. reward matters. It does influence people's gameplay. And right now people are being forced to run highsec incursions whether they like them or not. |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
2114
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Posted - 2015.05.23 08:29:46 -
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baltec1 wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Sitting in a trade hub and buying/selling has no risk what so ever. Please remove that cash cow from the game.
And please make it so I don't have to leave the safety of my nullsec zerg of death to make isk. Again with this myth. Trading is PvP and it is very risky. Just ask anyone who had investments in genelution implants. I'd like to see a bit more direct PvP, maybe in the form of the seller's/buyer's name and corp on orders.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
432
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Posted - 2015.05.23 11:24:19 -
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baltec1 wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Sitting in a trade hub and buying/selling has no risk what so ever. Please remove that cash cow from the game.
And please make it so I don't have to leave the safety of my nullsec zerg of death to make isk. Again with this myth. Trading is PvP and it is very risky. Just ask anyone who had investments in genelution implants.
And inherently pays a very substantial portion of the ISK sinks to keep the system healthy.
Definitely a myth that it is risk-free - I've lost billions before to fat finger order modifications.
Zappity wrote:baltec1 wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Sitting in a trade hub and buying/selling has no risk what so ever. Please remove that cash cow from the game.
And please make it so I don't have to leave the safety of my nullsec zerg of death to make isk. Again with this myth. Trading is PvP and it is very risky. Just ask anyone who had investments in genelution implants. I'd like to see a bit more direct PvP, maybe in the form of the seller's/buyer's name and corp on orders.
Nyaah.
The real marketplace has always been anonymous to professionals. Amateurs proclaim their presence, positions and exposure with tens of billions ISK-worth of commodities in a single sell order.
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
405
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Posted - 2015.08.20 03:40:25 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:We are wandering off topic, here.
I agree with whoever said earlier that the main issue is perception vs truth in income and isk flow. Grass is always greener and 'we got it tough, up hills both ways in the snow' start to muddy the waters. Then ridiculous maxima are thrown about as if they are what every person engaged in that activity makes as opposed to what the most efficient bling fleet can take down.
muddy water
If something is good, people will go to it, that will diminish the returns due to either market forces or diminishing availability of the resource itself. Incursions have a carrying capacity beyond which the returns drop. I assume the same goes for null anoms and even moons. Wormholes and faction war? Each seems to have an upper limit of income and then it becomes how is it divided and allocated. Is it to a group, to the solo pilot? To the holding corp or alliance?
Last thing we want is someone horning in on OUR income but you might like more targets to shoot so you ask for other incomes to be nerfed to the point that yours is the only game in town. But that isn't what Eve is or what it shuld be. Some people want to be solo, let them. Others like running with a group of people, that should be allowed as well as an income stream. Large organizataions need their income to stay viable . . . moons.
Conclusion for me is that if YOU think all the money is in Incursions then run them. Either it will make the payouts lessen as people compete for the resource or you will get rich.
No, I do not support nerfing them (though I would like to see the scouts sites rewritten)
m We do run them, that's the problem. Its not a case of people being jealous of other peoples grass being greener its about pointing out big problems with game imbalances that we are actively abusing.
I think im going to start runnimg them on an alt. Bet i can plex my account in a few hours one weekend a month. Goodbye sub fee |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
12676
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Posted - 2015.08.20 03:47:04 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:I think im going to start runnimg them on an alt. Bet i can plex my account in a few hours one weekend a month. Goodbye sub fee Or you can go get your job back at walmart, work a weekend, and keep your account going all year w/o needed to farm your life away. Just a thought...
I'm in it for the money
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Sasha Sen
Hull Zero Two Reckoning Star Alliance
10
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Posted - 2015.08.20 04:39:47 -
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I hope they remove isk from the game, its bad for it. |
Commander Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
1556
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Posted - 2015.08.20 10:49:36 -
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Sasha Sen wrote:I hope they remove isk from the game, its bad for it.
And kill mails.
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
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Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
1557
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Posted - 2015.08.20 10:49:36 -
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Sasha Sen wrote:I hope they remove isk from the game, its bad for it.
And kill mails.
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Khan Wrenth
Hedion University Amarr Empire
203
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Posted - 2015.08.20 10:54:21 -
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Commander Spurty wrote:Sasha Sen wrote:I hope they remove isk from the game, its bad for it. And kill mails.
And ships too. All the obsession over ships is just unhealthy. Once they remove ships, modules become unnecessary, so they can go ahead and remove those too.
Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
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Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
211
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Posted - 2015.08.20 11:09:04 -
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Wonder if somebody will start null sec pve nerf threads.
"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
14257
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Posted - 2015.08.20 11:29:11 -
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Gimme Sake wrote:Wonder if somebody will start null sec pve nerf threads.
Where have you been? The primary defensive whine when people bring up how obscene incursions are is about null ratting. Nevermind that at best it's half of what incursions make AND requires a carrier to make that much AND comes in the far inferior form of liquid isk.
Income as a whole needs rebalanced from the ground up(with risk vs reward being the key component), because in pretty much every level of space bar wormholes it is broken.
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Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
211
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Posted - 2015.08.20 11:55:46 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Gimme Sake wrote:Wonder if somebody will start null sec pve nerf threads. Where have you been? The primary defensive whine when people bring up how obscene incursions are is about null ratting. Nevermind that at best it's half of what incursions make AND requires a carrier to make that much AND comes in the far inferior form of liquid isk. Income as a whole needs rebalanced from the ground up(with risk vs reward being the key component), because in pretty much every level of space bar wormholes it is broken.
There is no whine as I don't run incursions. I'm simply annoyed by the huge amount of "nurf dat" number of threads that popped up after fuzzy sov made isk ticks uncertain in the blue goatze.
Btw, what risk there is behind renting ratting space in null?
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12154
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Posted - 2015.08.20 12:16:39 -
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Gimme Sake wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Gimme Sake wrote:Wonder if somebody will start null sec pve nerf threads. Where have you been? The primary defensive whine when people bring up how obscene incursions are is about null ratting. Nevermind that at best it's half of what incursions make AND requires a carrier to make that much AND comes in the far inferior form of liquid isk. Income as a whole needs rebalanced from the ground up(with risk vs reward being the key component), because in pretty much every level of space bar wormholes it is broken. There is no whine as I don't run incursions. I'm simply annoyed by the huge amount of "nurf dat" number of threads that popped up after fuzzy sov made isk ticks uncertain in the blue goatze.
I guess you missed how old this thread is, and how we've been talking about this imbalance for almost 6 years...
Quote: Btw, what risk there is behind renting ratting space in null?
The risk of not being able to care for it because unfriendly people are always there looking to kill you, and unlike in high sec incursions, magical space police won't come and help you? You mean that risk?
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12154
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Posted - 2015.08.20 12:21:26 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:We are wandering off topic, here.
I agree with whoever said earlier that the main issue is perception vs truth in income and isk flow. Grass is always greener and 'we got it tough, up hills both ways in the snow' start to muddy the waters. Then ridiculous maxima are thrown about as if they are what every person engaged in that activity makes as opposed to what the most efficient bling fleet can take down.
muddy water
If something is good, people will go to it, that will diminish the returns due to either market forces or diminishing availability of the resource itself. Incursions have a carrying capacity beyond which the returns drop. I assume the same goes for null anoms and even moons. Wormholes and faction war? Each seems to have an upper limit of income and then it becomes how is it divided and allocated. Is it to a group, to the solo pilot? To the holding corp or alliance?
Last thing we want is someone horning in on OUR income but you might like more targets to shoot so you ask for other incomes to be nerfed to the point that yours is the only game in town. But that isn't what Eve is or what it shuld be. Some people want to be solo, let them. Others like running with a group of people, that should be allowed as well as an income stream. Large organizataions need their income to stay viable . . . moons.
Conclusion for me is that if YOU think all the money is in Incursions then run them. Either it will make the payouts lessen as people compete for the resource or you will get rich.
No, I do not support nerfing them (though I would like to see the scouts sites rewritten)
m We do run them, that's the problem. Its not a case of people being jealous of other peoples grass being greener its about pointing out big problems with game imbalances that we are actively abusing.
You can tell him and people who think like him that over and over and over and over again, complete with screen shots of your own wallet and a video of you yourself flying a ship in a high sec incursion fleet and they will STILL default to that "you are just jealous of other people's income" line.
They have to do that, people who know they are wrong have to modify the terms of the argument to make themselves less wrong, as this is way easier than acknowledging an uncomfortable (and less profitable...) truth. The funny thing is most of the people supporting an obviously broken system don't even run incursions of any kind at all, they are simply defending their 'ideological homeland' aka High sec. |
Horus V
The Destined
101
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Posted - 2015.08.20 12:36:45 -
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+1
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Crystalline Entity
Outdated Host Productions Mortum Ravagers
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Posted - 2015.08.20 12:44:07 -
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Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
211
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Posted - 2015.08.20 12:54:25 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Gimme Sake wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Gimme Sake wrote:Wonder if somebody will start null sec pve nerf threads. Where have you been? The primary defensive whine when people bring up how obscene incursions are is about null ratting. Nevermind that at best it's half of what incursions make AND requires a carrier to make that much AND comes in the far inferior form of liquid isk. Income as a whole needs rebalanced from the ground up(with risk vs reward being the key component), because in pretty much every level of space bar wormholes it is broken. There is no whine as I don't run incursions. I'm simply annoyed by the huge amount of "nurf dat" number of threads that popped up after fuzzy sov made isk ticks uncertain in the blue goatze. I guess you missed how old this thread is, and how we've been talking about this imbalance for almost 6 years... Quote: Btw, what risk there is behind renting ratting space in null?
The risk of not being able to care for it because unfriendly people are always there looking to kill you, and unlike in high sec incursions, magical space police won't come and help you? You mean that risk?
Don't think you got my question.
I asked what risk is there for you, as sov owner, to rent a few systems to other players for ratting purposes. You can sit on your butt , docked, while billions roll in corp account without doing nadda. You don't risk anything, the players who pay you the rent (in order to rat) are risking their ships.
Be serious there are no unfriendly people in null, they're all blue and if you see red in local you leave or dock because there's no magical police around to help you. Or are you trying to tell me you take your ratting carrier in hostile space?
"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2015.08.20 13:10:10 -
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Gimme Sake wrote:
Don't think you got my question.
I asked what risk is there for you, as sov owner, to rent a few systems to other players for ratting purposes. You can sit on your butt , docked, while billions roll in corp account without doing nadda. You don't risk anything, the players who pay you the rent (in order to rat) are risking their ships.
And what exactly does the above have to do with anything. Also, why no comparison to how much isk Incursion community leaders are skimming off the top (you know it's they who provide the boosters who get tipped after every site by 40-50 people in fleet, as well as usually being the same people who seed the incursion focus markets with needed items and even run ship transport services).
That alliance leader guy is at risk of losing his space thus not being able to rent, NOTHING but the closing of Tranquility can stop the money train enjoyed by the (at best) couple dozen individuals who dominate the Incursions Communities. So again, why are you worried about null leaders when ignoring the same behavior from incursion community leaders?
Quote: Be serious there are no unfriendly people in null, they're all blue and if you see red in local you leave or dock because there's no magical police around to help you. Or are you trying to tell me you take your ratting carrier in hostile space?
I don't rat in a carrier. I rat in Deadspace fit Machariels and Tengus and Ishtars and Gilas and the occasional Rattlesnake . And I go into hostile territory (Scalding Pass, Detorid, even Curse) with them all the time. Can't post killmails here, but I lost a rattlesnake in Wicked Creek on an alt on the 6th of last month. You can find it on zkillboard, that alt is in the same corp you see me in. Ironic thing is that it was NCDot, my former alliance, that killed me.
From the sounds of it, you don't have much experience with PVE, or with null, and probably not with incursions specifically. |
Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.08.20 14:19:51 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
From the sounds of it, you don't have much experience with PVE, or with null, and probably not with incursions specifically.
That's correct. No incursion experience what so ever.
"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
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