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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2015.08.26 00:30:17 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote: Whats funny here?
There's no risk involved? I mined in highsec with my fleet and got wardecced within the first hour. Had a self proclaimed code agent with friends/alts attempt to gank me in the second hour (after the fail he went after the other miners). Oh and despite being unable to go AFK I made a miserable amount of isk per hour. In null I just have to watch out for two people. Just have to walk back to the machine occasionally to set up in a new spot. Sure it's less isk per account per hour than level 4s but it only requires a fraction of the attention and uses much cheaper ships.
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Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
53
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Posted - 2015.08.26 02:07:26 -
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2Sonas1Cup wrote:Or drastically drop their payouts not the point of killing them but to a more balanced level compared to other highsec activities.
Highsec Incursions payout WAY too much for the risk and time you take.
Many people run incursions to plex accounts log out for the month.
Theres little to no incentive to do anything else in the game once you start running incursions, you wont stop, and you will not do anything else other than your casual pvp on a random alt when the opportunity arises.
I have 2 chars with an almost perfect skillset for incursions, but in all my EVE time i have spent only around 10h in incursions. Why? Because they are a boring grind. I know no one who does only incursions in EVE.
2Sonas1Cup wrote: Incursions are 5 years old, there is nothing new about them that someone hasn't thought of and tried in the past to successfully gank incursioners and come out in profit. NO, you won't. NO, there isn't a secret way. Or else there would be plenty of other people doing it already, just think about it, you're not Einstein.
Example most recent fail attempt, 40 machariels with smart bombs, not even 1 incursioners dead, gankers lost billions to concord. Incursioners laughed at you on comms.
"40 machariels with smart bombs, not even 1 incursioners dead, gankers lost billions to concord"
WHAT Are you serious?
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1566
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Posted - 2015.08.26 03:16:44 -
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Algarion Getz wrote:"40 machariels with smart bombs, not even 1 incursioners dead, gankers lost billions to concord"
WHAT Are you serious?
It's important to bear in mind that the failure was due to the lag induced by the gankers essentially creating a large number of crimewatch events. It's not that the trap wouldn't have worked were the server up to it. |
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
328
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Posted - 2015.08.26 08:26:15 -
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Ganker tears? Man this thread delivers. |
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
402
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Posted - 2015.08.26 12:16:20 -
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tl;dr - This is a very stupid idea. Incursions are fine the way they are.
Now a real issue is the wildly disproportionate risk versus reward ratio for suicide ganks. There needs to be much much more risk. It's murder and easy after all. Oh wait, that's a different thread. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2135
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Posted - 2015.08.26 13:04:12 -
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Urgg Boolean wrote:tl;dr - This is a very stupid idea. Incursions are fine the way they are.
Now a real issue is the wildly disproportionate risk versus reward ratio for suicide ganks. There needs to be much much more risk. It's murder and easy after all. Oh wait, that's a different thread.
If you want to make them more gankable, you need to nerf the content so they can shitfit their wtfpwnblingmobile more. The current level of tank + logi support is required by the content itself. They counter gank by default. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
714
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Posted - 2015.08.26 19:29:22 -
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This is all moot. Drifter Incursions are here. If left unchecked, the Drifter Incursion spreads to other systems. Don't do these incursions, and that means less and less systems will be available for an incursion to spawn in. Glorious! |
Kaelynne Rose
WTB Somalians
53
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Posted - 2015.11.19 14:14:54 -
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This could be the one thing that can save nullsec |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12962
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Posted - 2015.11.19 14:45:24 -
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So you decided to necro 4 different incursion threads? Is someone afraid of their unbalanced cash cow getting slaughtered? |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2398
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Posted - 2015.11.19 14:49:02 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:So you decided to necro 4 different incursion threads? Is someone afraid of their unbalanced cash cow getting slaughtered?
I didn't check the other ones yet but this is the second where a nerf is called for in the necro. |
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
1874
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Posted - 2015.11.19 14:51:02 -
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+1 supported
Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic | Angel Cartel | Serpentis |
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Austneal
Nero Fazione End of Life
110
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Posted - 2015.11.19 16:46:35 -
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Have there always been this many "CCP Please Nerf" threads on the forums?
I seem to remember there being far fewer when I first started browsing... maybe not though |
Tank Murdock Jnr
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
84
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Posted - 2015.11.19 17:39:29 -
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Austneal wrote:Have there always been this many "CCP Please Nerf" threads on the forums?
Usually once a week or so for something. What's happening is that CAM/CAM's-latest-alt is digging them all up for some reason.
Actually, I'd speculate that the reason is either... (a) trolling (b) attention seeking (c) desperate attempt to justify existence (d) all of the above
When a person is insane, as you clearly are, do you know that you're insane? Maybe you're just sitting around, reading 'Guns and Ammo', masturbating in your own faeces...do you just stop and go, 'Wow! It is amazing how f*cking crazy I really am!'?
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Samwise Everquest
Run and Gun Mercenary Corps FETID
163
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Posted - 2015.11.19 21:29:11 -
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Running an incursion takes a fleet and coordination. I think it should be a very profitable PvE option.
It is also the only PvE in this game I could tolerate for more than 20 minutes.
Run and Gun Mercenary Corps looking for work. Pras Phil.
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
228
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Posted - 2015.11.19 21:41:53 -
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2Sonas1Cup wrote:
Yea but you understand what Im saying right?
It is really nonsensical how much highsec incursions pay. It kills eve.
CCP: "Youre not supposed to feel safe when you log in, youre supposed to feel a cold and harsh environment"
Well this is totally the opposite of what eve feels like right now if youre an incursioner.
Heres what I do as an incursioner in eve:
- log in - waitlist and grab a beer - join fleet make 250mil an hour with lp included (each account) - run for 2 or 3 hours and log out
Wheres the harsh and cold environment in this?
So you do it yourself and try to nerf it.
Does this mean you've made your isk from it, so you think it's time to nerf it?
If you think it's that bad don't do it.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
15134
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Posted - 2015.11.19 21:46:39 -
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Avvy wrote: If you think it's that bad don't do it.
Not doing it myself doesn't change the fact that it's the most unbalanced personal income in the game. Incursions break risk vs reward in a very literal way, and that's why they will be removed. Hopefully soon.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
228
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Posted - 2015.11.19 21:56:05 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Avvy wrote: If you think it's that bad don't do it.
Not doing it myself doesn't change the fact that it's the most unbalanced personal income in the game. Incursions break risk vs reward in a very literal way, and that's why they will be removed. Hopefully soon.
Risk v's reward, to me is nonsense. Generally risk can change from day to day the reward will also change due to RNG.
Lets take the Goons as they're the biggest I've heard of in null.
The outskirts of their empire will likely have more risk than the centre of their empire yet a lot of the activities maybe the same. Does that mean you would like to see the centre of their empire make less isk because on a daily basis they have less risk?
Edit:
But then I think you are really talking about isk generated per hour. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1657
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:17:18 -
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Blitzing Burners is a highsec activity that pays more than Incursions per hour.
Just saying. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12965
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:19:54 -
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Avvy wrote:2Sonas1Cup wrote:
Yea but you understand what Im saying right?
It is really nonsensical how much highsec incursions pay. It kills eve.
CCP: "Youre not supposed to feel safe when you log in, youre supposed to feel a cold and harsh environment"
Well this is totally the opposite of what eve feels like right now if youre an incursioner.
Heres what I do as an incursioner in eve:
- log in - waitlist and grab a beer - join fleet make 250mil an hour with lp included (each account) - run for 2 or 3 hours and log out
Wheres the harsh and cold environment in this?
So you do it yourself and try to nerf it. Does this mean you've made your isk from it, so you think it's time to nerf it? If you think it's that bad don't do it.
That's the same as saying "if you think crack kills people, just don't smoke it yourself" lol.
I run incursions among other things (I ran high sec lvl 5s too even though that was a bug, if it's there, im gonna use it).. Unbalanced is unbalanced whether you participate or not. A few hundred characters generating the 3rd largest isk faucet in a game of hundreds of thousands of characters (where as it takes a whole lot to generate the 1st and second isk faucets) is broken no matter how you try to sugar coat it. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
15135
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:20:40 -
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Avvy wrote: Risk v's reward, to me is nonsense.
Then you don't belong here.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
228
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:23:55 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Avvy wrote: Risk v's reward, to me is nonsense.
Then you don't belong here.
Just because I don't share your view. Me not sharing your view doesn't change anything. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1658
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:34:34 -
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Tank Murdock Jnr wrote:Austneal wrote:Have there always been this many "CCP Please Nerf" threads on the forums? Usually once a week or so for something. What's happening is that CAM/CAM's-latest-alt is digging them all up for some reason. Actually, I'd speculate that the reason is either... (a) trolling (b) attention seeking (c) desperate attempt to justify existence (d) all of the above
They are not just bumping" nerf threads" wanting to reduce PvE income like this one: - they are also bumping the "PLEX prices are to high" threads - they are planting multiple conspiracy rumours all over the place trying to get people to believe that EVE is going free to play very soon and PLEX will be worthless
Sounds to me someone cannot afford PLEX and is trying to artificially deflate the prices. It is a pleasant change from the obvious attempts to manipulate prices up (the most successful lately was the "Geckos are too expensive" thread which tripled Gecko prices for a short time before they settled down again) .
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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
95
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:51:07 -
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I run incursions regularly on my main and I agree wholeheartedly with the OP. Humans are a bad mix of clever and lazy; give them an easy isk option like incursions and they WILL take advantage of it. The only reason ever to stop is that you're bored of making money, but at that point why try any of the other activities eve offers?
Lowering the payouts on incursions to less than a null / lowsec income would be a good start. Before you say it; No, null/low sec incursions do not pay better because time and efficiency are factors that weigh the balance heavily in favour of highsec. Nerfing incursion payouts can lead only to benefits for all.
A case for more AoE in EvE
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2716
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:52:06 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: That's the same as saying "if you think crack kills people, just don't smoke it yourself" lol.
I run incursions among other things (I ran high sec lvl 5s too even though that was a bug, if it's there, im gonna use it).. Unbalanced is unbalanced whether you participate or not. A few hundred characters generating the 3rd largest isk faucet in a game of hundreds of thousands of characters (where as it takes a whole lot to generate the 1st and second isk faucets) is broken no matter how you try to sugar coat it.
So please prove what numbers actually generate most of that NPC bounty faucet. The last economic blog figures included a miner who killed a single 1.0 belt rat as 'someone who did PvE' with equal weight to the Null sec 23/7 Anom Bot. (Not saying lots of Null people bot or anything, just a weighting comparison).
We have no idea how many play time hours went into that isk generation, nor do we have any idea what portion of people are generating the WH Commodities faucet, and how many hours they are putting into it. Especially what portion & how many hours are coming from the C6 escalation crowd.
Edit: Also low & Null incursions already pay out over 200% a highsec incursion per site. And this is why there has been someone dedicatedly running low sec incursions for the last few months ever since the fleet size for low & null sec incursions got buffed.
So, tldr version, learn real statistics and learn why your 'proof' shows nothing. |
Valacus
Streets of Fire
23
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Posted - 2015.11.19 22:56:01 -
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The one non-PvP activity you actually have to have a group for(not just multi-boxing 3 accounts) and you want to get rid of it? Should we just call the game multi-box online? If Incursions really make that much ISK, then go run them yourself. It's the one PvE activity that requires a fleet. What's wrong with that having a decent payout? Of course that should pay more than soloing Lvl 4s. It should pay more than most things in high sec, if not everything. |
Terminal Insanity
Pwn 'N Play SpaceMonkey's Alliance
820
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Posted - 2015.11.19 23:16:19 -
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uh, end nullsec incursions too please?. nullsec people dont want that junk. it just gets in the way and nobody likes them.
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
1880
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Posted - 2015.11.19 23:18:52 -
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Valacus wrote:The one non-PvP activity you actually have to have a group for(not just multi-boxing 3 accounts) and you want to get rid of it? Should we just call the game multi-box online? If Incursions really make that much ISK, then go run them yourself. It's the one PvE activity that requires a fleet. What's wrong with that having a decent payout? Of course that should pay more than soloing Lvl 4s. It should pay more than most things in high sec, if not everything.
shouldnt pay more than everything else in the game though should it? and it shouldnt be more worthwhile running them in highsec than anywhere else
Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic | Angel Cartel | Serpentis |
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2716
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Posted - 2015.11.19 23:26:02 -
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Lan Wang wrote: shouldnt pay more than everything else in the game though should it? and it shouldnt be more worthwhile running them in highsec than anywhere else
1. It doesn't. 2. It's not. |
Terminal Insanity
Pwn 'N Play SpaceMonkey's Alliance
820
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Posted - 2015.11.19 23:28:53 -
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Valacus wrote:Should we just call the game multi-box online? probably.
Take the jumpfreighter for example, you need a minimum of two accounts, and at least 3 characters, to properly fly it.
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
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Valacus
Streets of Fire
23
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Posted - 2015.11.19 23:38:41 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Valacus wrote:The one non-PvP activity you actually have to have a group for(not just multi-boxing 3 accounts) and you want to get rid of it? Should we just call the game multi-box online? If Incursions really make that much ISK, then go run them yourself. It's the one PvE activity that requires a fleet. What's wrong with that having a decent payout? Of course that should pay more than soloing Lvl 4s. It should pay more than most things in high sec, if not everything. shouldnt pay more than everything else in the game though should it? and it shouldnt be more worthwhile running them in highsec than anywhere else
So buff other forms of income then. I don't have an issue with nulsec paying more than it does. I welcome any change that reduces the amount of multi-boxing and multiple account running that happens in this game. There's no reason I should have to own and run 3 accounts just because I live in nulsec. Incursion running let's me cut down on how many accounts I use because I have the ISK to fund all my funsies all from one source. What's so wrong with that? Nulsec has a hard time doing the same because nulsec is poorly designed. Even if I had to grind level 4s to make ISK, I'd still take that over nulsec because I don't find the reward to be worth all the stress I have to go through just to run a few havens, let alone 10/10 DED sites. Nulsec doesn't pay enough to get me out of high sec when it comes to ISK generation. That means nulsec needs a buff, not incursions need to be completely removed. |
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