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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
990
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Posted - 2015.11.20 21:26:24 -
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baltec1 wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Character assassination, how original Regardless, what I said applies to all nullsec alliances, there's no focus on one specific alliance but it is telling that the biggest ones wont even bother. It's there for the taking but you know, being risk averse is not something exclusive to HS players it seems. It's not null that's dead, it's the people that live there. The stories I've heard of Nullsec Alliances back in the day and what I see in game and on the forums now are so different it's no wonder. Would rather whine to CCP day and night than lift a finger to affect change themselves. Whatever, not even worth the time I'm spending to write this. You honestly think anyone would be able to take a 40 man pve battleship fleet into null without it getting torn apart?
That's null.sec for ya try smaller fleets or poking your nose in low sec hunting for mom blueprint.
Maybe CCP can make them static in null sec so you can run them like you are in high sec.....wouldn't bet on it tho.
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StuRyan
Space Mutts
86
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Posted - 2015.11.20 21:46:02 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:13.5mill per member, per site. so lets be conservative and say 3 sites an hour. So that's 13.5 * 3 * 40. 1.62 bill per hour extra.
How much is a large pos and stront and fuel?
Also lol nullseccers complaining about logistics of setting up a single pos. What R Cynos.
It is amusing the arguments coming out. cant light cynos in incursion systems, dont even know if you can setup pos's in incursion systems so thats a silly comment you still have the risk of being hellcamped on out gates by a load of battleships and supers, yeah cynos, all you need is a cyno on each out gate to ruin a nullsec incursion runners day, cant do that in highsec though huh. everyone has intel chanels as soon as someone notices a fleet of 40 faction battleships doing an incursion you will be having a bad day. Sounds like content to me. Oh wait, don't want content in null, my bad.
LOL - said exactly what I thought. |
StuRyan
Space Mutts
86
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Posted - 2015.11.20 21:46:56 -
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baltec1 wrote:Valacus wrote:
Even your supposed "evidence" is all supposition. It's speculation and possible causation. Well, I can do that too.
One of the reason incursion runners, despite being few, make so much ISK is because they are well organized, and that is purely through necessity. Without organization there is no incursion running. Logistics are established ahead of time to ensure the fleets can keep running through all time zones so that all time zones can partake. Another possibility as to why incursion runners make more than their fellow EVE players is simply because they like it. Ratting in null is boring. Running level 4s is boring. Soloing is just not that fun. Incursion running at least provides conversation if nothing else. More things your "evidence" doesn't take into account. You still have nothing. The raw ISK per hour of high sec incursions vs. level 4s and null sec ratting is still comparable. Incursion runners don't make more ISK per hour, they simply run more hours of it because the activity is more bearable.
Nope, they earn more isk/hr than you can out in null and thats a hard fact. If you are comparing organisation incursion runners are at the low end of the scale, they dont run fleets over an entire cluster, they don't operate with intel channels, they don't operate with jump capable ships, they don't have to run the logistics of operating infrastructure we have in sov space. Incursion fleets are no more complicated than any roaming gang. Best part is people can still solo incursions although granted its complicated and requires a good few alts. isk/hr is fairly straight forwards to work out and at this point we have it down to an exact science for every activity. Null is the worst place to earn your isk as a line member.
Could have sworn there are null sec incursions.... |
StuRyan
Space Mutts
86
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Posted - 2015.11.20 21:47:50 -
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Mina Sebiestar wrote:baltec1 wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Character assassination, how original Regardless, what I said applies to all nullsec alliances, there's no focus on one specific alliance but it is telling that the biggest ones wont even bother. It's there for the taking but you know, being risk averse is not something exclusive to HS players it seems. It's not null that's dead, it's the people that live there. The stories I've heard of Nullsec Alliances back in the day and what I see in game and on the forums now are so different it's no wonder. Would rather whine to CCP day and night than lift a finger to affect change themselves. Whatever, not even worth the time I'm spending to write this. You honestly think anyone would be able to take a 40 man pve battleship fleet into null without it getting torn apart? That's null.sec for ya try smaller fleets or poking your nose in low sec hunting for mom blueprint. Maybe CCP can make them static in null sec so you can run them like you are in high sec.....wouldn't bet on it tho.
Why do people think they need 40 man fleets to run incursions in null sec.??
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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
990
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Posted - 2015.11.20 21:56:13 -
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No idea they need big number so it's more legit whine...
Also for the record I'm doing ~80 mil h doing VG like most ppl do did not run HQ site since forever. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
17000
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Posted - 2015.11.20 21:57:41 -
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StuRyan wrote:
Could have sworn there are null sec incursions....
They spawn once every 1-3 months in our space.
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StuRyan
Space Mutts
86
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Posted - 2015.11.20 22:03:23 -
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baltec1 wrote:StuRyan wrote:
Could have sworn there are null sec incursions....
They spawn once every 1-3 months in our space.
Personally, thats the bigger problem easily resolved by having a new severity module that increases the incursions spawn rate in a constellation the same way wormhole augmentation modules work. |
Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
103
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Posted - 2015.11.20 22:24:34 -
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Mina Sebiestar wrote:No idea they need big number so it's more legit whine...
Also for the record I'm doing ~80 mil h doing VG like most ppl do did not run HQ site since forever.
I can run HQ sites in highsec and make like 130m/hr. I would have to at least run HQs in low or null to match my HS income; but if I try, I'll be insta-gibbed. You see the problem?
A case for more AoE in EvE
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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
990
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Posted - 2015.11.20 22:30:39 -
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Mr Mieyli wrote:Mina Sebiestar wrote:No idea they need big number so it's more legit whine...
Also for the record I'm doing ~80 mil h doing VG like most ppl do did not run HQ site since forever. I can run HQ sites in highsec and make like 130m/hr. I would have to at least run HQs in low or null to match my HS income; but if I try, I'll be insta-gibbed. You see the problem?
You will not be installed blobed in low(you will eventually i know i did)and can easily brake 130m/h doing nothing but VG in there but nature of those places have nothing to do with high sec and don't think for one second that if you are running HQ sites 23.5/7 other ppl do it too. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7204
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Posted - 2015.11.20 22:41:26 -
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Fastest way to end highsec incursions is NOT to go begging to CCP.
Just pop the mothership when it appears. But that might require having friends and being skilled for more than just ganking defenseless freighters.
Player-based in-game solutions. Gotta love them!
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12989
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Posted - 2015.11.20 23:08:26 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Fastest way to end highsec incursions is NOT to go begging to CCP.
Just pop the mothership when it appears. But that might require having friends and being skilled for more than just ganking defenseless freighters.
Player-based in-game solutions. Gotta love them!
Or, we can keep doing what we are doing, running the incursions on alts, freezing out high sec players who might want to do them themselves, and funnel the outrageous isk faucet into null sec like everything else. Why would we kill our own cash cow like you suggest?
This thread is proof that only some of us favor balance over benefit.
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Hilti Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2015.11.20 23:18:35 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Fastest way to end highsec incursions is NOT to go begging to CCP.
Just pop the mothership when it appears. But that might require having friends and being skilled for more than just ganking defenseless freighters.
Player-based in-game solutions. Gotta love them! Or, we can keep doing what we are doing, running the incursions on alts, freezing out high sec players who might want to do them themselves, and funnel the outrageous isk faucet into null sec like everything else. Why would we kill our own cash cow like you suggest? This thread is proof that only some of us favor balance over benefit.
Thats BS. Your just too lazy to do anything about it, I mean you've just answered why there is nothing wrong with HS incursions, the mechanic is there is stop people from farming them and at the same time allow you to get your own piece.
Pretty uneducated troll. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
17000
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Posted - 2015.11.20 23:47:49 -
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Hilti Enaka wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Fastest way to end highsec incursions is NOT to go begging to CCP.
Just pop the mothership when it appears. But that might require having friends and being skilled for more than just ganking defenseless freighters.
Player-based in-game solutions. Gotta love them! Or, we can keep doing what we are doing, running the incursions on alts, freezing out high sec players who might want to do them themselves, and funnel the outrageous isk faucet into null sec like everything else. Why would we kill our own cash cow like you suggest? This thread is proof that only some of us favor balance over benefit. Thats BS. Your just too lazy to do anything about it, I mean you've just answered why there is nothing wrong with HS incursions, the mechanic is there is stop people from farming them and at the same time allow you to get your own piece. Pretty uneducated troll.
Why would we waste time killing the mother ship? As said we will abuse this easy isk ourselves and have nothing to gain from killing the mother ship.
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Hilti Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2015.11.21 00:02:15 -
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baltec1 wrote:Hilti Enaka wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Fastest way to end highsec incursions is NOT to go begging to CCP.
Just pop the mothership when it appears. But that might require having friends and being skilled for more than just ganking defenseless freighters.
Player-based in-game solutions. Gotta love them! Or, we can keep doing what we are doing, running the incursions on alts, freezing out high sec players who might want to do them themselves, and funnel the outrageous isk faucet into null sec like everything else. Why would we kill our own cash cow like you suggest? This thread is proof that only some of us favor balance over benefit. Thats BS. Your just too lazy to do anything about it, I mean you've just answered why there is nothing wrong with HS incursions, the mechanic is there is stop people from farming them and at the same time allow you to get your own piece. Pretty uneducated troll. Why would we waste time killing the mother ship? As said we will abuse this easy isk ourselves and have nothing to gain from killing the mother ship.
We'll look forward to seeing you then. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12990
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Posted - 2015.11.21 00:45:24 -
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Hilti Enaka wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Why would we waste time killing the mother ship? As said we will abuse this easy isk ourselves and have nothing to gain from killing the mother ship.
We'll look forward to seeing you then. ' What do you mean? Were already here lol. I've been running incursions (with a few breaks) for 5 years.
That's what you short sighted folks don't see. Either way, we win. What's being asked for is a better rewards balance, not punishment of people just playing within the rules. |
Hilti Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2015.11.21 00:55:21 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Hilti Enaka wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Why would we waste time killing the mother ship? As said we will abuse this easy isk ourselves and have nothing to gain from killing the mother ship.
We'll look forward to seeing you then. ' What do you mean? Were already here lol. I've been running incursions (with a few breaks) for 5 years. That's what you short sighted folks don't see. Either way, we win. What's being asked for is a better rewards balance, not punishment of people just playing within the rules.
all 450 people of us. |
Persifonne
The Scope Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2015.11.21 01:06:15 -
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Hilti Enaka wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Hilti Enaka wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Why would we waste time killing the mother ship? As said we will abuse this easy isk ourselves and have nothing to gain from killing the mother ship.
We'll look forward to seeing you then. ' What do you mean? Were already here lol. I've been running incursions (with a few breaks) for 5 years. That's what you short sighted folks don't see. Either way, we win. What's being asked for is a better rewards balance, not punishment of people just playing within the rules. all 450 people of us. Correction 295 people by tonights active users. How on earth are you still badgering on about playing within the rules, its a group activity. Haven't you made enough isk from these Plex printing incursions dude? You need to print billions for tge next 5 years too man? Wtf are you bill gates?
Dont ve greedy, just support a medium sized payout nerf and everyone wins. |
AtramLolipop
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2015.11.21 01:13:32 -
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Persifonne wrote:Hilti Enaka wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Hilti Enaka wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Why would we waste time killing the mother ship? As said we will abuse this easy isk ourselves and have nothing to gain from killing the mother ship.
We'll look forward to seeing you then. ' What do you mean? Were already here lol. I've been running incursions (with a few breaks) for 5 years. That's what you short sighted folks don't see. Either way, we win. What's being asked for is a better rewards balance, not punishment of people just playing within the rules. all 450 people of us. Correction 295 people by tonights active users. How on earth are you still badgering on about playing within the rules, its a group activity. Haven't you made enough isk from these Plex printing incursions dude? You need to print billions for tge next 5 years too man? Wtf are you bill gates? Dont ve greedy, just support a medium sized payout nerf and everyone wins.
Disagree, nothing needs changing |
Persifonne
The Scope Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2015.11.21 01:20:03 -
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AtramLolipop wrote:Persifonne wrote:Hilti Enaka wrote:Hilti Enaka wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Why would we waste time killing the mother ship? As said we will abuse this easy isk ourselves and have nothing to gain from killing the mother ship.
We'll look forward to seeing you then. ' What do you mean? Were already here lol. I've been running incursions (with a few breaks) for 5 years. That's what you short sighted folks don't see. Either way, we win. What's being asked for is a better rewards balance, not punishment of people just playing within the rules. all 450 people of us. Correction 295 people by tonights active users. How on earth are you still badgering on about playing within the rules, its a group activity. Haven't you made enough isk from these Plex printing incursions dude? You need to print billions for tge next 5 years too man? Wtf are you bill gates? Dont ve greedy, just support a medium sized payout nerf and everyone wins. Disagree, nothing needs changing Its okay to make a plex over the weekend with basically zero risk of awoxing, wardecs, and suicide ganks in highsec? Thats like crazy isk even if you only do them say 5hrs a weekend. Thats 4 plex a month risk free.
No problem here? |
AtramLolipop
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2015.11.21 02:21:20 -
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Persifonne wrote: Its okay to make a plex over the weekend with basically zero risk of awoxing, wardecs, and suicide ganks in highsec? Thats like crazy isk even if you only do them say 5hrs a weekend. Thats 4 plex a month risk free.
No problem here?
Let me correct this:
Zero risk of awoxing Wardecs, and Suicide ganks -> happens regularly.
In 5 hours I've managed 16 poses - solo activity In 5 hours i've cherned 16 lvl 5's - solo activity In 5 hours i've ratted in my carrier - solo activity
A mandatory requirement for that 5 hours is the complete trust of strangers with your ship and a high level of team work. Whilst it its a group activity there is absolutely no problem here. |
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
17000
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Posted - 2015.11.21 03:03:59 -
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AtramLolipop wrote:Persifonne wrote: Its okay to make a plex over the weekend with basically zero risk of awoxing, wardecs, and suicide ganks in highsec? Thats like crazy isk even if you only do them say 5hrs a weekend. Thats 4 plex a month risk free.
No problem here?
Let me correct this: Zero risk of awoxing Wardecs, and Suicide ganks -> happens regularly. In 5 hours I've managed 16 poses - solo activity In 5 hours i've cherned 16 lvl 5's - solo activity In 5 hours i've ratted in my carrier - solo activity A mandatory requirement for that 5 hours is the complete trust of strangers with your ship and a high level of team work. Whilst it its a group activity there is absolutely no problem here.
Why do you feel the need to not just lie, but to lie about things that are so easily disproven?
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
360
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Posted - 2015.11.21 03:11:26 -
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Persifonne wrote: Its okay to make a plex over the weekend with basically zero risk of awoxing, wardecs, and suicide ganks in highsec? Thats like crazy isk even if you only do them say 5hrs a weekend. Thats 4 plex a month risk free.
No problem here?
i agree with you its ridicoulous. |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
242
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Posted - 2015.11.21 03:19:43 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Mr Mieyli wrote:StuRyan wrote:If nullbears actually had the same level of ability and willingness to run them in null sec they would trump isk/hour 3 fold and thats even with the less blingy ships you see in HS. So you think the solution is the whole of nullsec should put aside their differences for the noble goal of farming isk? He probably does think that. Extreme self interest (ie don't nerf this thing i depend on, even if it's terrible) and prejudice (notice the word 'nullbears') causes delusion, and delusion makes unreasonable things (all null should blue up and incursion farm) seem reasonable to people like that lol. Like I been saying, it really doesn't matter what people like that think. Some CCP guys has shown increasing signs of awareness of these issues when we talk to them at player events and such. It took CCP 3+ years to fix the high sec lvl 5 bug (and that was an acutal bug and one they knew about from the start), they'll eventually fix the situation we are discussing here too.
Sometimes fixing "things" ends up not going the way some people (like you) want them to. This problem you are currently describing is the least of "things" that needs fixing in Eve atm. There are tons of other "things" that CCP should be focusing on in Eve right now instead of humoring nullbears desire to nerf hi-sec income into the ground cause they can make close to what they make in null.
Unfortunately there are some individuals that lack the ability to just mind their own friggin business and just enjoy doing their own thing which are the main ones complaining about Hi-Sec income (I'm not naming anyone cause they know who they are).
Self interest?... yes of course it is. Everyone plays Eve for their own reasons and enjoyment. Why is that a bad thing? Jenn, are you any different? If you say you're not then you're either lying or deceiving yourself. |
Paranoid Loyd
7524
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Posted - 2015.11.21 03:25:02 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Unfortunately there are some individuals that lack the ability to just mind their own friggin business and just enjoy doing their own thing which are the main ones complaining about Hi-Sec income (I'm not naming anyone cause they know who they are). This a pretty narrow opinion. The game is built in such a way that everything has an overall effect, therefore if one truly understands the game, they realize everything is everyone's business.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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AtramLolipop
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2015.11.21 03:28:47 -
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baltec1 wrote:AtramLolipop wrote:Persifonne wrote: Its okay to make a plex over the weekend with basically zero risk of awoxing, wardecs, and suicide ganks in highsec? Thats like crazy isk even if you only do them say 5hrs a weekend. Thats 4 plex a month risk free.
No problem here?
Let me correct this: Zero risk of awoxing Wardecs, and Suicide ganks -> happens regularly. In 5 hours I've managed 16 poses - solo activity In 5 hours i've cherned 16 lvl 5's - solo activity In 5 hours i've ratted in my carrier - solo activity A mandatory requirement for that 5 hours is the complete trust of strangers with your ship and a high level of team work. Whilst it its a group activity there is absolutely no problem here. Why do you feel the need to not just lie, but to lie about things that are so easily disproven?
I'm lying because I've been able to do make isk through solo means for plex in 5 hours? |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
17000
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Posted - 2015.11.21 03:43:03 -
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AtramLolipop wrote:
I'm lying because I've been able to do make isk through solo means for plex in 5 hours?
Shall we go step by step?
AtramLolipop wrote: Zero risk of awoxing Wardecs, and Suicide ganks -> happens regularly.
Chances of being ganked in a mission boat are the same as being struck by lightning in real life. You are in a fleet with combat capable ships, buffer tanks and with logi support. You aren't getting ganked. Equally you are not going to get wardecs because NPC corps cant be wardeced and nobody will awox these days.
AtramLolipop wrote: A mandatory requirement for that 5 hours is the complete trust of strangers with your ship and a high level of team work. Whilst it its a group activity there is absolutely no problem here.
Ratting in sov null is a group activity spanning hundreds to thousands of other pilots who put in a lot more time and work than any incursion fleet. The fact that the incursion fleet in highsec earns a lot more for far less work and risk is a big problem.
AtramLolipop wrote: In 5 hours I've managed 16 poses - solo activity
Line members don't own moons, we don't get one personal money moon let alone 16. These are alliance assets as it requires an alliance to protect it.
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
242
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Posted - 2015.11.21 03:46:41 -
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baltec1 wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Character assassination, how original Regardless, what I said applies to all nullsec alliances, there's no focus on one specific alliance but it is telling that the biggest ones wont even bother. It's there for the taking but you know, being risk averse is not something exclusive to HS players it seems. It's not null that's dead, it's the people that live there. The stories I've heard of Nullsec Alliances back in the day and what I see in game and on the forums now are so different it's no wonder. Would rather whine to CCP day and night than lift a finger to affect change themselves. Whatever, not even worth the time I'm spending to write this. You honestly think anyone would be able to take a 40 man pve battleship fleet into null without it getting torn apart?
That shouldn't happen if the fleet is in your own Sovereign space, right?
If CCP begins creating Null sec incursions then it shouldn't be a problem running them in your own space. These incursions should be like 10x the size and difficulty of the incursions in hi-sec which should also allow Caps & Supers. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
17000
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Posted - 2015.11.21 03:56:40 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:baltec1 wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Character assassination, how original Regardless, what I said applies to all nullsec alliances, there's no focus on one specific alliance but it is telling that the biggest ones wont even bother. It's there for the taking but you know, being risk averse is not something exclusive to HS players it seems. It's not null that's dead, it's the people that live there. The stories I've heard of Nullsec Alliances back in the day and what I see in game and on the forums now are so different it's no wonder. Would rather whine to CCP day and night than lift a finger to affect change themselves. Whatever, not even worth the time I'm spending to write this. You honestly think anyone would be able to take a 40 man pve battleship fleet into null without it getting torn apart? That shouldn't happen if the fleet is in your own Sovereign space, right? If CCP begins creating Null sec incursions then it shouldn't be a problem running them in your own space. These incursions should be like 10x the size and difficulty of the incursions in hi-sec which should also allow Caps & Supers.
They pop up in our space once every 1-3 months and are finished as quickly as possible as they cripple jump bridge networks, halt all other pve activity and damage our defences.
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AtramLolipop
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2015.11.21 03:56:53 -
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Let's try again because you're far from the truth.
baltec1 wrote:
Chances of being ganked in a mission boat are the same as being struck by lightning in real life. You are in a fleet with combat capable ships, buffer tanks and with logi support. You aren't getting ganked. Equally you are not going to get wardecs because NPC corps cant be wardeced and nobody will awox these days.
dear boy ganking doesn't happen in sites.
baltec1 wrote:
Ratting in sov null is a group activity spanning hundreds to thousands of other pilots who put in a lot more time and work than any incursion fleet. The fact that the incursion fleet in highsec earns a lot more for far less work and risk is a big problem.
Try the fact that with out a solid back bone a HS incursion is useless. Ratting in null sec is very much a solo activity I don't care what you say about time and work, both require effort but ratting is very done solo.
baltec1 wrote:
Line members don't own moons, we don't get one personal money moon let alone 16. These are alliance assets as it requires an alliance to protect it.
You're doing it wrong, that's the most ******** thing i've ever heard. |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
243
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Posted - 2015.11.21 03:59:26 -
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baltec1 wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:baltec1 wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Character assassination, how original Regardless, what I said applies to all nullsec alliances, there's no focus on one specific alliance but it is telling that the biggest ones wont even bother. It's there for the taking but you know, being risk averse is not something exclusive to HS players it seems. It's not null that's dead, it's the people that live there. The stories I've heard of Nullsec Alliances back in the day and what I see in game and on the forums now are so different it's no wonder. Would rather whine to CCP day and night than lift a finger to affect change themselves. Whatever, not even worth the time I'm spending to write this. You honestly think anyone would be able to take a 40 man pve battleship fleet into null without it getting torn apart? That shouldn't happen if the fleet is in your own Sovereign space, right? If CCP begins creating Null sec incursions then it shouldn't be a problem running them in your own space. These incursions should be like 10x the size and difficulty of the incursions in hi-sec which should also allow Caps & Supers. They pop up in our space once every 1-3 months and are finished as quickly as possible as the cripple jump bridge networks, halt all other pve activity and damage our defences.
Then this is what needs to change. Should be at least 2 mega size incursions in every null region per day. |
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