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Aquilan Aideron
Wardecs go here
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Posted - 2015.11.25 17:05:59 -
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Mr Mieyli wrote:Aquilan Aideron wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Aquilan Aideron wrote:People are engaging in a proftable group activity in highsec. Nerf and wardec everything.
/forum People are engaging in an activity that pays to well, so well that it attracts outsiders (ie people who don't live in high sec) to do them rather than sit around and make less in their own areas of null or low sec. Balance them with more risk/ ship oss or less isk. /Discussion High risk/smaller profit means less/no attendance. Of which EvE got more than its share. Im sure, for once, CCP is happy to try and provide an impulse to get a wider range of people engaged. This thread is silly. If you're only attending to fill your wallet then your disappearance from eve likely won't be noticed. Are you suddenly going to unsubscribe if your income falls from 120m/hr to something closer to 60-80m? The issue has been brought up that if payouts are lowered then nobody would actually run incursions anymore, and this is a valid concern since most people are only running them for the isk. I don't see less incursion runners as a bad thing though, they contribute no gameplay anyway. Now the people who actually are behind organising communities and fleets I can see an argument for them getting something. Perhaps Sansha rats could drop loot that can be picked up to fund the actual incursion community. For example say TVP are running a fleet, they finish a site and move to the nex one leaving behind a room full of wrecks; a looter/salvager could then come along and pick up loot for a group fund. Community leadership can then divide up this income among their core members that keep fleets running and let "leechers" only earn the payouts. That way you have a difference between the income available to those who do and don't contribute. Incursion fleets dont contribute gameplay? Ok, sir.
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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.11.25 17:35:56 -
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Aquilan Aideron wrote:Mr Mieyli wrote:Aquilan Aideron wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Aquilan Aideron wrote:People are engaging in a proftable group activity in highsec. Nerf and wardec everything.
/forum People are engaging in an activity that pays to well, so well that it attracts outsiders (ie people who don't live in high sec) to do them rather than sit around and make less in their own areas of null or low sec. Balance them with more risk/ ship oss or less isk. /Discussion High risk/smaller profit means less/no attendance. Of which EvE got more than its share. Im sure, for once, CCP is happy to try and provide an impulse to get a wider range of people engaged. This thread is silly. If you're only attending to fill your wallet then your disappearance from eve likely won't be noticed. Are you suddenly going to unsubscribe if your income falls from 120m/hr to something closer to 60-80m? The issue has been brought up that if payouts are lowered then nobody would actually run incursions anymore, and this is a valid concern since most people are only running them for the isk. I don't see less incursion runners as a bad thing though, they contribute no gameplay anyway. Now the people who actually are behind organising communities and fleets I can see an argument for them getting something. Perhaps Sansha rats could drop loot that can be picked up to fund the actual incursion community. For example say TVP are running a fleet, they finish a site and move to the nex one leaving behind a room full of wrecks; a looter/salvager could then come along and pick up loot for a group fund. Community leadership can then divide up this income among their core members that keep fleets running and let "leechers" only earn the payouts. That way you have a difference between the income available to those who do and don't contribute. Incursion fleets dont contribute gameplay? Ok, sir. Safe flights
I know you consider stuffing your wallet gameplay but it's not very meaningful or engaging is it?
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Aquilan Aideron
Wardecs go here
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Posted - 2015.11.25 17:48:01 -
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How come you know such things? I have yet to participate in an incursion event. And I have yet to encounter meaningful content in EvE other than an aesthetically pleasing and calming scenery. As far as im concerned this game is stagnant and kudos to CCP for trying to stir things a bit.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.11.25 17:50:50 -
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Aquilan Aideron wrote:How come you know such things? I have yet to participate in an incursion event. And I have yet to encounter meaningful content in EvE other than an aesthetically pleasing and calming scenery. As far as im concerned this game is stagnant and kudos to CCP for trying to stir things a bit.
If you haven't experienced firsthand the content, mechanics and events that are unbalanced enough for veteran players to have this discussion, why did you feel the need to comment?
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Daerrol
Death By Design Did he say Jump
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Posted - 2015.11.25 17:53:09 -
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Content: Locking up a target, over heating the "High" and "Medium" racks, hitting a Aproach, F1, then hiding under my blanket till it's over. |
Aquilan Aideron
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Posted - 2015.11.25 17:54:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Aquilan Aideron wrote:How come you know such things? I have yet to participate in an incursion event. And I have yet to encounter meaningful content in EvE other than an aesthetically pleasing and calming scenery. As far as im concerned this game is stagnant and kudos to CCP for trying to stir things a bit.
If you haven't experienced firsthand the content, mechanics and events that are unbalanced enough for veteran players to have this discussion, why did you feel the need to comment? Where did I say I didnt experience the event? |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
13011
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Posted - 2015.11.25 18:11:49 -
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Aquilan Aideron wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Aquilan Aideron wrote:How come you know such things? I have yet to participate in an incursion event. And I have yet to encounter meaningful content in EvE other than an aesthetically pleasing and calming scenery. As far as im concerned this game is stagnant and kudos to CCP for trying to stir things a bit.
If you haven't experienced firsthand the content, mechanics and events that are unbalanced enough for veteran players to have this discussion, why did you feel the need to comment? Where did I say I didnt experience the event?
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Aquilan Aideron
Wardecs go here
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Posted - 2015.11.25 18:28:26 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Aquilan Aideron wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Aquilan Aideron wrote:How come you know such things? I have yet to participate in an incursion event. And I have yet to encounter meaningful content in EvE other than an aesthetically pleasing and calming scenery. As far as im concerned this game is stagnant and kudos to CCP for trying to stir things a bit.
If you haven't experienced firsthand the content, mechanics and events that are unbalanced enough for veteran players to have this discussion, why did you feel the need to comment? Where did I say I didnt experience the event? ? Are you being deliberately dense? |
Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.25 18:28:48 -
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Lord in Heaven why is this stupid ass thread still going?
You null bigots are pissed off that high sec is more than a noob training area and that (GASP!) many people actually like the low stress playstyle in high and are able to generate enough in-game money to pay for their accounts. Guess what? Deal with it. CCP's not listening to you and is not stupid enough to make game design or business decisions based on your forum whines.
These moronic "nerf high sec" threads filled with opinions and agendas dressed up as facts have been going on for as long as I've been in the game. Thankfully CCP isn't populated by numbskulls who demand that everything they don't personally like be nerfed. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
13011
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Posted - 2015.11.25 18:38:38 -
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Aquilan Aideron wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Aquilan Aideron wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Aquilan Aideron wrote:How come you know such things? I have yet to participate in an incursion event. And I have yet to encounter meaningful content in EvE other than an aesthetically pleasing and calming scenery. As far as im concerned this game is stagnant and kudos to CCP for trying to stir things a bit.
If you haven't experienced firsthand the content, mechanics and events that are unbalanced enough for veteran players to have this discussion, why did you feel the need to comment? Where did I say I didnt experience the event? ? Are you being deliberately dense?
Hey yall, i had to take my troll radar to the shop because it got broken when I turned it on while reading reddit. So i can't tell, it's this guy trolling me, or what? |
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Aquilan Aideron
Wardecs go here
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Posted - 2015.11.25 18:42:11 -
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My bad for responding to the forum troll. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.25 18:45:33 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
Hey yall, i had to take my troll radar to the shop because it got broken when I turned it on while reading reddit. So i can't tell, it's this guy trolling me, or what?
I can't compute that serie of quotes. No help from me... |
Aquilan Aideron
Wardecs go here
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Posted - 2015.11.25 18:51:06 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Aquilan Aideron wrote:My bad for responding to the forum troll. You could clarify WTF you meant instead of calling others trolls... I experienced the event, but did not partcipate. What part needs clarcification in the mind of a Goon? |
Aquilan Aideron
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Posted - 2015.11.25 18:51:54 -
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Delete please |
Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.11.25 19:20:34 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Aquilan Aideron wrote:My bad for responding to the forum troll. You could clarify WTF you meant instead of calling others trolls...
Unless of course, he's a troll.
A case for more AoE in EvE
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.11.25 19:39:33 -
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Don't worry guys, I got this
Aquilan Aideron wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Aquilan Aideron wrote:My bad for responding to the forum troll. You could clarify WTF you meant instead of calling others trolls... I experienced the event, but did not partcipate. What part needs clarcification in the mind of a Goon? The problem is that you don't seem to know what "firsthand" means.
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Aquilan Aideron
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Posted - 2015.11.25 19:56:05 -
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Indeed.
Looking forward to the next ingenious nurf HS Concord/mission/miner/npc corp thread.
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Vic Jefferson
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
706
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Posted - 2015.11.25 20:43:18 -
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Nick Bete wrote:Lord in Heaven why is this stupid ass thread still going?
You null bigots are pissed off that high sec is more than a noob training area and that (GASP!) many people actually like the low stress playstyle in high and are able to generate enough in-game money to pay for their accounts. Guess what? Deal with it. CCP's not listening to you and is not stupid enough to make game design or business decisions based on your forum whines.
These moronic "nerf high sec" threads filled with opinions and agendas dressed up as facts have been going on for as long as I've been in the game. Thankfully CCP isn't populated by numbskulls who demand that everything they don't personally like be nerfed.
Yes.
I find it hilariously tilted that income is higher, safer, and more accessible in high sec than it is in null or low. How are people supposed to be struggling for things in a dystopian, might makes right sandbox when they are basically handed it all in High Sec?
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Urziel99
Unified Research and Industrial
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Posted - 2015.11.26 02:41:38 -
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Vic Jefferson wrote:Nick Bete wrote:Lord in Heaven why is this stupid ass thread still going?
You null bigots are pissed off that high sec is more than a noob training area and that (GASP!) many people actually like the low stress playstyle in high and are able to generate enough in-game money to pay for their accounts. Guess what? Deal with it. CCP's not listening to you and is not stupid enough to make game design or business decisions based on your forum whines.
These moronic "nerf high sec" threads filled with opinions and agendas dressed up as facts have been going on for as long as I've been in the game. Thankfully CCP isn't populated by numbskulls who demand that everything they don't personally like be nerfed. Yes. I find it hilariously tilted that income is higher, safer, and more accessible in high sec than it is in null or low. How are people supposed to be struggling for things in a dystopian, might makes right sandbox when they are basically handed it all in High Sec?
And I find it hilarious that instead of campaigning to make their own areas better, bitter and self-interested posters insist on crapping in someone else's cheerios.
Look to your own problems if the money isn't in lawless space.
But it's not about the money is it? It's about the needs of some people to make targets out of others for no other reason then their own gratification. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2015.11.26 04:01:00 -
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Urziel99 wrote: And I find it hilarious that instead of campaigning to make their own areas better, bitter and self-interested posters insist on crapping in someone else's cheerios.
Because increasing everyone else's income, as opposed to just lowering the biggest offender, not only causes massive inflation, but also severely devalues the relative earning power of new players.
You might want to **** all over new players just to keep your risk free fountain of income, but it's not going to happen that way.
Quote: But it's not about the money is it? It's about the needs of some people to make targets out of others for no other reason then their own gratification.
Waah. Cry more, carebear. Your days of suckling the golden teat are numbered. CCP can't ignore it forever, and it's frankly a miracle that incursions still exist at all given how broken they are.
If you want more reward, you should have to accept more risk. If you won't, you should have second class income.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.11.26 05:00:57 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Because increasing everyone else's income, as opposed to just lowering the biggest offender, not only causes massive inflation, but also severely devalues the relative earning power of new players.
You might want to **** all over new players just to keep your risk free fountain of income, but it's not going to happen that way.
Well said. isn't it amazing how high sec posters are all "think of the children" until the children start tugging at their wallets lol.
This is why Null doesn't need more isk. It would be selfish as all hell to say "pour more isk into my personal wallet" which is what a null buff would do. The selfish person thinks everyone is as selfish as them, and they can't understand when someone has a concern about something they actually participate in (lke how some of us who run incursions are honest enough to say "hey, this is a bit too good"). |
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2015.11.26 05:51:49 -
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Urziel99 wrote:Look to your own problems if the money isn't in lawless space.
I don't know how many times I have repeatedly pointed out that Syndicate is one of the most violent regions in the game (by the latest dev blog, 0.5T) but one of the poorest (0.18T).
I don't know how many times I have advocated and expressed the issues of the residents of Syndicate; they are dependent on alts and earning money in other areas, because NPC nullsec grossly under supports its players and its play style. Having to have alts and spend most of your time outside of the region you live in is bad for the game overall and asphyxiates local content.
This also hamstrings small and new groups, as they have no way to grow.
It's been done. To death. New Eden is an organic system and everything is interrelated, and relative to each other. Even if they buffed NPC null up to the levels of income attainable in HiSec, it would still be insufficient, relatively speaking, as you would still be better off doing it in Hi Sec.
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Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1027
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Posted - 2015.11.26 06:05:39 -
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Funny that people get upset when the cash cow is going to die. Its about time. No risk no reward or at least 90% lower reward. And farming the side and leave the mother ship alive is just plain nonsense.
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
352
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Posted - 2015.11.26 06:26:54 -
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How about allowing Covert Cynos to be lit in HS Incursion Systems?
That could be fun.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
17042
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Posted - 2015.11.26 09:07:10 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:How about allowing Covert Cynos to be lit in HS Incursion Systems?
That could be fun.
What are the blops going to do once they drop?, concord will still happyslap them with nukes.
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
255
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Posted - 2015.11.26 09:10:51 -
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This thread has gone from remove hi-sec incursions into nerfing all hi-sec income into the ground.
It's an all nullbear crybabies rantfest now and should be locked down.
Reporting this garbage thread for ranting!! |
Lan Wang
Knights of the posing meat FETID
1935
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Posted - 2015.11.26 09:12:47 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:How about allowing Covert Cynos to be lit in HS Incursion Systems?
That could be fun.
what are blops going to do against an incursion fleet?
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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
111
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Posted - 2015.11.26 09:33:10 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:This thread has gone from remove hi-sec incursions into nerfing all hi-sec income into the ground.
It's an all nullbear crybabies rantfest now and should be locked down.
Reporting this garbage thread for ranting!!
I don't know what you mean, the discussion has been focused around incursions this whole time. It's very difficult to argue against a brick wall, not that you are a brick wall but others in this thread are in so much denial it's almost funny. I don't know if they realise that the income we're talking about is completely imaginary. It's tough not to rant when you're saying the same things again and again and people just say "but muh isk".
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
255
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Posted - 2015.11.26 09:46:33 -
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Mr Mieyli wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:This thread has gone from remove hi-sec incursions into nerfing all hi-sec income into the ground.
It's an all nullbear crybabies rantfest now and should be locked down.
Reporting this garbage thread for ranting!! I don't know what you mean, the discussion has been focused around incursions this whole time. It's very difficult to argue against a brick wall, not that you are a brick wall but others in this thread are in so much denial it's almost funny. I don't know if they realise that the income we're talking about is completely imaginary. It's tough not to rant when you're saying the same things again and again and people just say "but muh isk".
I was actually referring to Jenn since she is the source of all the ranting! All her posts should be deleted!!
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Lan Wang
Knights of the posing meat FETID
1935
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Posted - 2015.11.26 09:49:22 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Mr Mieyli wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:This thread has gone from remove hi-sec incursions into nerfing all hi-sec income into the ground.
It's an all nullbear crybabies rantfest now and should be locked down.
Reporting this garbage thread for ranting!! I don't know what you mean, the discussion has been focused around incursions this whole time. It's very difficult to argue against a brick wall, not that you are a brick wall but others in this thread are in so much denial it's almost funny. I don't know if they realise that the income we're talking about is completely imaginary. It's tough not to rant when you're saying the same things again and again and people just say "but muh isk". I was actually referring to Jenn since she is the source of all the ranting! All her posts should be deleted!!
atleast its constructive unlike your own posts
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