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FunGu Arsten
Fungu .Inc
71
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Posted - 2015.04.27 13:52:33 -
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Solecist Project wrote:FunGu Arsten wrote:2Sonas1Cup wrote:Lan Wang wrote:i too want to see youtube video of blown up machariel/vindi and logi fleet in highsec Just wait 5 more years. FunGu Arsten is planning. Or should we say,.. hes planning to kill his own fleet because hes a incursion FC. And then show us on the forums that incursioners arent safe and the isks we make in highsec incursions is balanced. lol, actualy as said before it isn't balanced, the isk injection is stupid high for no risk. that doesn't mean we're not allowed to do it - aka: milk the cow. as for burning down a full hq fleet: get 4-5 logi alts, fly incursions for a couple of days on each. On one particular sunny afternoon get all logis in the fleet and stop repping in a TCRC, abandon wrecks when popped * bring in neutral tanked ROKH fit with salvager and tractorbeams Collect billions - while you rep yourself - when done colllecting free loot, align out and when the rokh is taking scrams warp out 4 -5 logis and sacrifice the hero rokh after you've stored loot in the logis. \O/ see some chat channels close on you while you count the isk. Thanks for posting how you would do it. I can see that you agree the risk is pretty much non existant, because this approach ... fully legitimate ... is a one trick pony ... ... which needs a huge amount of investment for a one time thing. Any other ideas that could actually have an impact?
As i said, it's possible if you coordinate, its possible if you want to risk it. The "you cant do it reply" is all i was counter arguing.
however, if you want to do it with pure gank power. use Alpha and do it inside the site. many ganks have failed because they gank on the gates. (added: with catalysts and talos, the logis can rep the first volley off and walk away with no losses while concord cleans up the baddies)
Inside: sansha dps + gank dps= alot of confused logis + overwelming damage on the field.
At this point you need to look at how easy does ganking have to be - how are you going to collect the 2-3+ bil that will drop per battleship?
Making a comment with "see you agree that there is little risk" makes you look like you are ignoring everything said before in this thread... read my previous posts : incursions are risk free, but you CAN still do something as a player if you choose to act. ( the same way mission runners aren't safe, the same way any other player isn't safe in highsec)
SO back to you, how much effort do you wish to put into popping loot piniatas... |
2Sonas1Cup
84
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Posted - 2015.04.27 13:59:27 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:FunGu Arsten wrote: lol, actualy as said before it isn't balanced, the isk injection is stupid high for no risk. that doesn't mean we're not allowed to do it - aka: milk the cow.
That's what I do, because I don't see it changing. Fun fact, the more people getting on the "milk the cow" bandwagon, the lesser the income will be because the number of sites at the same time is limited. No more than 15 HQ fleet (this would already be lower isk/hours because of the delay to get another site would start showing up) will ever be able to get a payout at the same time. 600 character can effectively max it out. If everybody were to put their bling ship where their mouth is, everybody would constantly get contested and chance are incursion would be in "respawn" mode more often after episode of rage popping moms. Reminds me of how the griefers raged about the goons for killing their moms. With the amount of traction threads like this get, I can't understand why no-one was ever able to motivate 40 dudes to go run a 100+ million isk/hours fleet while also raining on someone else's parade at least partially by stealing some of the best sites. Then make that 80 dudes and you start to slowdown everybody because sites are not insta-respawning and you also pose a thread to the mom. Hell you can make it a bit more risky by even solo by pre-loading TCRC sites. A good group will get over it but it's still a tighter spot then smooth sailing the original site from scratch.
There used to be couple people back then when isbox was a thing. But still there are plenty of sites and most of the times more than 1 incursion just in highsec.
Most recent one is a guy with 40 nightmares, but hes just one more fleet and rarely runs anymore. It is just absurd the amount of multitasking and setup you need to do it solo without keybroadcasting isbox feature.
You also can't possibly believe you would solo contest another fleet and win with nightmares do you? ^^ |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3337
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Posted - 2015.04.27 13:59:57 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:The entire risk vs reward argument is flawed. The fastest way to make ISK in the game, in terms of ISK per hour is station trading. It carries absolutely zero risk of losing a ship, as you never need to undock.
Given the existence of station trading, I see nothing wrong with incursions. Except that traders are risking billions, because trading is a PvP activity. You're not a trader it seems. Traders can't predict what will happen, unlike incursion runners. Ive done quite a bit of trading in my time. I still do a little, but have cut way down due to the repetitious spreadsheet nature of the activity. Although the trader does not know exactly what will happen, its almost a given that the margin will not disappear in the few hours between the buy order and the sell order. I have never lost money on a station trade cycle.
Incursions are also PvP in that you have to contest sites. Ive been in several fleets where we got zero from a site due to the actions of other players.
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Aladar Dangerface
Zebra Corp The Bastion
156
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:00:34 -
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Otso Bakarti wrote:Aladar Dangerface wrote:Otso Bakarti wrote:There it is... "cheapens...low or null sec". This is just another "move everyone in high sec to low and null so we have more people to gank, since rental gaming is so BORING" thread. So, it's an impromptu conspiracy. Take the tinfoil hat off please, no one is saying everyone should move to null/low/wh space, they are saying 'why should they earn less isk while risking more than someone earning a lot of isk while risking very little'. EVE is based on risk vs reward which is why people hate on incursions and if you actually read what people are saying you would know this already. Try reading the subject line of the OP. The "tin foil hat" reference is tired, and worn. I have read the OP first line, the discussion has moved on from merley 'Ending HighSec Incurions'
However if you want me to go all the way back i will; Ending incusrions would be really bad for the game, people in high sec should be able to earn isk, however someone should be able to earn more if they are willing to put more at risk.
The balance is out of line, its as simple as that and if your that much of a pompus asshat to realise this then i can give you a great example:
I used to live in wh space, i used to run C3 anoms in a 1 bill tengu, i earned about as much as an incrusion runner earns HOWEVER the risk factor involved in what i used to do compaired to running incursions is far higher (i never lost my tengu but there were several attempts to kill it and i have seen many other players lose them).
Do you understand now why it is imbalanced or are you just one of these 3 year olds that wont listent to reason what so ever?
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Solecist Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
21890
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:04:12 -
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I did not write "see you agree". Don't put words in my mouth.
Okay so you say alpha can do it. That's right.
This brings up the next questions:
Is it worth it enough to fund another run? (loot mechanics apply of course) Is it actually disrupting the activity?
Because one trick ponies don't count. Shooting down one ship doesn't count either, as it doesn't disrupt the activity.
I'll just ignore the rest, because you will just put more words into my mouth.
Thanks!
Bumping is fine, Ganking is fine.
The real issue are Carebears. Bad people wishing ill and death upon on all of us.
The obvious solution is to wipe them out and make sure they don't come back.
Let's kill them all for the good of EVEmanity.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1724
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:05:39 -
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2Sonas1Cup wrote:
There used to be couple people back then when isbox was a thing. But still there are plenty of sites and most of the times more than 1 incursion just in highsec.
Most recent one is a guy with 40 nightmares, but hes just one more fleet and rarely runs anymore. It is just absurd the amount of multitasking and setup you need to do it solo without keybroadcasting isbox feature.
You also can't possibly believe you would solo contest another fleet and win with nightmares do you? ^^
I never said you had to solo it. Why do you insist on being able to give trouble or at least slow down a fleet of 40 by your own self? How hard is it to form your own fleet with actual player instead of trying to do it all by yourself?
I guess the incursion runners friends are just as OP as the CFC's friends.
We shoud nerf friends. That way, no one would see the mad ISK of incursion. |
Solecist Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
21890
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:08:46 -
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This thread should be changed intk ...
What can we do to continuously disrupt the activity of incursion runners?
That would put it into a better view.
Bumping is fine, Ganking is fine.
The real issue are Carebears. Bad people wishing ill and death upon on all of us.
The obvious solution is to wipe them out and make sure they don't come back.
Let's kill them all for the good of EVEmanity.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1724
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:10:14 -
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Aladar Dangerface wrote:
However if you want me to go all the way back i will; Ending incusrions would be really bad for the game, people in high sec should be able to earn isk, however someone should be able to earn more if they are willing to put more at risk.
Fun fact, the incursion runners making the most ISK also put more at risk than the ones putting less. Get a low bling fleet and compare their income to a full blinged out fleet and you will see putting more at risk affect the total payout.
What you want is not "more at risk" but "same at more risk". |
Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
427
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:12:17 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Aladar Dangerface wrote:
However if you want me to go all the way back i will; Ending incusrions would be really bad for the game, people in high sec should be able to earn isk, however someone should be able to earn more if they are willing to put more at risk.
Fun fact, the incursion runners making the most ISK also put more at risk than the ones putting less. Get a low bling fleet and compare their income to a full blinged out fleet and you will see putting more at risk affect the total payout. What you want is not "more at risk" but "same at more risk".
what risk?
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1724
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:17:29 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Aladar Dangerface wrote:
However if you want me to go all the way back i will; Ending incusrions would be really bad for the game, people in high sec should be able to earn isk, however someone should be able to earn more if they are willing to put more at risk.
Fun fact, the incursion runners making the most ISK also put more at risk than the ones putting less. Get a low bling fleet and compare their income to a full blinged out fleet and you will see putting more at risk affect the total payout. What you want is not "more at risk" but "same at more risk". what risk?
Ganks, fail logi, falling asleep. The same stuff as miners, freighter, mission runners. The 6 bill ship still has to be in space to earn any ISK and LP. The fact that very few people try to gank those 120k EHP piniata is not the fault of the dude flying the ship in the first place. Hell you can even know where they are via the game interface instead of having the camp a gate waiting for them.
If there was no risk like you imply, nobody would ever lose their ships. The risk might be low but it's still there. |
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2Sonas1Cup
84
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:23:56 -
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Solecist Project wrote:I did not write what you posted. Don't put words in my mouth.
Okay so you say alpha can do it. That's right.
This brings up the next questions:
Is it worth it enough to fund another run? (loot mechanics apply of course) Is it actually disrupting the activity?
Because one trick ponies don't count. Shooting down one ship doesn't count either, as it doesn't disrupt the activity.
I'll just ignore the rest, because you will just put more words into my mouth.
Thanks!
Things that happen after that one sad gank:
They all get concord Victim goes to jita and reships Fleet finishes site and warps to next one Everyone laughs on comms and grabs another beer
Not to mention that maybe just maybe they will lose more than the victim himself. Because to alpha a battleship fast enough before logis lock him you need some serious alpha, not just 3 catalysts if you know what I mean.
That is also ignoring the possibility of gankers being shot by the incursion fleet itself as soon as they turn red. So it's kind of a one guns cycle chance for that alpha, NOT until concord spawns.
Anyway, its just like you said: "I'll just ignore the rest .." |
FunGu Arsten
Fungu .Inc
71
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:25:18 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Aladar Dangerface wrote:
However if you want me to go all the way back i will; Ending incusrions would be really bad for the game, people in high sec should be able to earn isk, however someone should be able to earn more if they are willing to put more at risk.
Fun fact, the incursion runners making the most ISK also put more at risk than the ones putting less. Get a low bling fleet and compare their income to a full blinged out fleet and you will see putting more at risk affect the total payout. What you want is not "more at risk" but "same at more risk". what risk? Ganks, fail logi, falling asleep. The same stuff as miners, freighter, mission runners. The 6 bill ship still has to be in space to earn any ISK and LP. The fact that very few people try to gank those 120k EHP piniata is not the fault of the dude flying the ship in the first place. Hell you can even know where they are via the game interface instead of having the camp a gate waiting for them. If there was no risk like you imply, nobody would ever lose their ships. The risk might be low but it's still there.
its 175-200k ehp.... unless you are a scrub and don't overload... |
Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
427
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:27:13 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Aladar Dangerface wrote:
However if you want me to go all the way back i will; Ending incusrions would be really bad for the game, people in high sec should be able to earn isk, however someone should be able to earn more if they are willing to put more at risk.
Fun fact, the incursion runners making the most ISK also put more at risk than the ones putting less. Get a low bling fleet and compare their income to a full blinged out fleet and you will see putting more at risk affect the total payout. What you want is not "more at risk" but "same at more risk". what risk? Ganks, fail logi, falling asleep. The same stuff as miners, freighter, mission runners. The 6 bill ship still has to be in space to earn any ISK and LP. The fact that very few people try to gank those 120k EHP piniata is not the fault of the dude flying the ship in the first place. Hell you can even know where they are via the game interface instead of having the camp a gate waiting for them.
"falling asleep" you just made that up because you didnt have anything else to add.
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Solecist Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
21890
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:28:43 -
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It's weird ... I thought you two were on the same side.
Bumping is fine, Ganking is fine.
The real issue are Carebears. Bad people wishing ill and death upon on all of us.
The obvious solution is to wipe them out and make sure they don't come back.
Let's kill them all for the good of EVEmanity.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1724
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:31:38 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Aladar Dangerface wrote:
However if you want me to go all the way back i will; Ending incusrions would be really bad for the game, people in high sec should be able to earn isk, however someone should be able to earn more if they are willing to put more at risk.
Fun fact, the incursion runners making the most ISK also put more at risk than the ones putting less. Get a low bling fleet and compare their income to a full blinged out fleet and you will see putting more at risk affect the total payout. What you want is not "more at risk" but "same at more risk". what risk? Ganks, fail logi, falling asleep. The same stuff as miners, freighter, mission runners. The 6 bill ship still has to be in space to earn any ISK and LP. The fact that very few people try to gank those 120k EHP piniata is not the fault of the dude flying the ship in the first place. Hell you can even know where they are via the game interface instead of having the camp a gate waiting for them. "falling asleep" you just made that up because you didnt have anything else to add.
I've seen ships blowing up without a single broadcast being sent. I assumed they were asleep. Wanking to **** on second screen if you prefer or just call it inattention. Fact is, it happens. |
FunGu Arsten
Fungu .Inc
72
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:37:04 -
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2Sonas1Cup wrote:Solecist Project wrote:I did not write what you posted. Don't put words in my mouth.
Okay so you say alpha can do it. That's right.
This brings up the next questions:
Is it worth it enough to fund another run? (loot mechanics apply of course) Is it actually disrupting the activity?
Because one trick ponies don't count. Shooting down one ship doesn't count either, as it doesn't disrupt the activity.
I'll just ignore the rest, because you will just put more words into my mouth.
Thanks! Things that happen after that one sad gank: They all get concord Victim goes to jita and reships Fleet finishes site and warps to next one Everyone laughs on comms and grabs another beer Not to mention that maybe just maybe they will lose more than the victim himself. Because to alpha a battleship fast enough before logis lock him you need some serious alpha, not just 3 catalysts if you know what I mean. That is also ignoring the possibility of gankers being shot by the incursion fleet itself as soon as they turn red. So it's kind of a one guns cycle chance for that alpha, NOT until concord spawns. Anyway, its just like you said: "I'll just ignore the rest .."
the problem with "how do i disrupt incursions" is simply this: you want to nearly grief players for doing game content as you dont want them to run said content... ontop of this you want to do it without real reprecussions( is this writting correctly?)
your war against the incursions is going to start with 1) making ganking easier 2) not having offgrid boosters 3) making your one character reach supersayan lvls of alpha.
in all honnesty i'm done with this thread, - OP: you do not want to find friends, put ships into the concord sacrifice machine while disrupting 40 'semi-organized" players that have been working together in a community with clear structure and ship docterines. - you dont want to find friends and go head to head with these 'carebears" - you dont want to use said friends to finish off incursions in highsec so nobody can run them...
I agree that incursions are riskfree in pve, and that risk vs reward isn't favorable to ganking but isn't this what everybody has been asking for??? I remember the cries when ganking was to easy, i remember the cries when ganking was to hard...
you have been given answers beat them at their own game, or sacrifice ships to the concordgrinders - or train 60day alts and make eve news with logi spy infiltrations
The tears are too much atm, if only you could load them into a barrel and shoot it. |
Solecist Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
21891
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:39:49 -
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Wow you come with a lot of bullshit ...
There is no way of disrupting incursion fleets properly. Anything else in space can be disrupted.
Your answers are worth nothing, because they aren't viable.
At best you have proven even more that it's not possible to properly disrupt their activities.
So thanks for nothing and let's hope people find a way to get rid of you lot.
Bumping is fine, Ganking is fine.
The real issue are Carebears. Bad people wishing ill and death upon on all of us.
The obvious solution is to wipe them out and make sure they don't come back.
Let's kill them all for the good of EVEmanity.
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FunGu Arsten
Fungu .Inc
72
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:41:17 -
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Solecist Project wrote:It's weird ... I thought you two were on the same side. thats your problem man, you think there are sides...
there is only facts =/
incursions are easy, little to no risk ganking is easy, you balance your risk vs the reward
make an educated guess to how much your ganking potential income is.
> beeing able to gank or beeing able to do it none stop is a game that got nerfed/discussed years ago.. and here we are looking at tears of the " highsec has to be safer" aftermatch |
FunGu Arsten
Fungu .Inc
72
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:42:41 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Wow you come with a lot of bullshit ...
There is no way of disrupting incursion fleets properly. Anything else in space can be disrupted.
Your answers are worth nothing, because they aren't viable.
At best you have proven even more that it's not possible to properly disrupt their activities.
So thanks for nothing and let's hope people find a way to get rid of you lot.
your view of "disrupting" is off by about 20 ships - its clear you can't muster them together.
Do you even EVE bro? |
Solecist Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
21891
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:45:19 -
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lol *facedesk*
Bumping is fine, Ganking is fine.
The real issue are Carebears. Bad people wishing ill and death upon on all of us.
The obvious solution is to wipe them out and make sure they don't come back.
Let's kill them all for the good of EVEmanity.
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Solecist Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
21891
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:46:49 -
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Btw OP ... there's a swimsuit contest in C&P ......
Bumping is fine, Ganking is fine.
The real issue are Carebears. Bad people wishing ill and death upon on all of us.
The obvious solution is to wipe them out and make sure they don't come back.
Let's kill them all for the good of EVEmanity.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1725
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:52:15 -
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Solecist Project wrote:lol *facedesk*
You can't interrupt a fleet of 40 so you choose to band your head on a desk instead of finding friends willing to mess with incursionners. Your call I guess. |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
75
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:54:17 -
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I think its interesting to postulate what ccp would think of this.
If they nerf the insane isk incursion runners can make, some will cry and leave. But they nerfed IsoBoxing and same thing, they still did it.
Now would ccp care if even dare say 25% of all incursioners unsubbed? Wait for it....
THEY ALL PLEX ANYWAYS.
Now i am in economics 202 so i get someone paid for plex blah blah blah, yet still, those incursioners ARENT PUTTING THEIR REAL LIFE CASH INTO CCP.
So why WOULD ccp care if they balanced the insane isk they can make with basically zero risk (aside from falling asleep like some bear pointed out lmao)
Seriously, if ccp nerfs hisec incurion isk to make it in line with risk/reward and some bears cry and stop plexing their alts, i dont think ccps bottom line would be affected at all. If anything it would please the masses/rest of eve. |
Hipqo
Project AIice Whatever.
96
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:54:51 -
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Form a new corp, kinda like "CODE" but focus on incursion pilots and go out and ruin they're day. If you do this enough, the meta will change, because they players will be forced to change it.
Never ending wardecs, continuous harrasment of incursion fleets, bumping, ganking and tons of tears! It would be beautiful!!
If you think incursion pilots needs more risk, create it for them, as you dont seem to be the only one here with that thought.
A life is best lived, to not step into your grave in a well preserved body. Instead, to slide in side ways, all battered and bruised, screamming, "Holy SH**! What a ride!"
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Solecist Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
21892
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:58:53 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Solecist Project wrote:lol *facedesk* You can't interrupt a fleet of 40 so you choose to band your head on a desk instead of finding friends willing to mess with incursionners. Your call I guess. *doublefacedesk*
Bumping is fine, Ganking is fine.
The real issue are Carebears. Bad people wishing ill and death upon on all of us.
The obvious solution is to wipe them out and make sure they don't come back.
Let's kill them all for the good of EVEmanity.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1725
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Posted - 2015.04.27 15:02:15 -
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Hipqo wrote:Form a new corp, kinda like "CODE" but focus on incursion pilots and go out and ruin they're day. If you do this enough, the meta will change, because they players will be forced to change it.
Never ending wardecs, continuous harrasment of incursion fleets, bumping, ganking and tons of tears! It would be beautiful!!
If you think incursion pilots needs more risk, create it for them, as you dont seem to be the only one here with that thought.
Wardeccing does not work as they are not in corps or just shell corps.
Harassement is stupid. You either punch big or go home.
Bumping is kinda silly as you will ahve a hard time bumping the actual elements that would stop a fleet (logi). Your best bet is the FC if he is running a vindi/nightmare.
Ganking require more people than most seem to be willing to get together. |
Joan Miles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2015.04.27 15:15:03 -
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All those tears and troll yelling because some people make ISK running incursions instead of, errmm I don't know, farming sleeper escalations in some safe blue corner of New Eden? Wow... just wow...
It's one thing asking for something to change because it negatively affects the game (or your gameplay). Asking for something to change however, because other people profit of it... That, my friends, takes some serious SPACE BAWLS ! |
Ncc 1709
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx
180
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Posted - 2015.04.27 15:15:29 -
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just have concord develop a way to stop incursion appearing in highsec. then all incursions will be forced into lowsec and any high system connected to it. that way to keep the cash cow flowing, you gotta risk a little in lowsec |
Sugar Smacks
State War Academy Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2015.04.27 15:28:58 -
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Should make the sec status of the system a modifier of the incursion payout.
The higher the sec the incursion the lower the payout. |
Sugar Smacks
State War Academy Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2015.04.27 15:37:29 -
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Joan Miles wrote:All those tears and troll yelling because some people make ISK running incursions instead of, errmm I don't know, farming sleeper escalations in some safe blue corner of New Eden? Wow... just wow...
It's one thing asking for something to change because it negatively affects the game (or your gameplay). Asking for something to change however, because other people profit of it... That, my friends, takes some serious SPACE BAWLS !
I'm pretty sure the arugement is if this is how you accumulate money to pay for plex, then you aren't ever going to be really technically unsafe playing.
Meaning you'r whole playstyle revolves around maximizing your income while minimizing your risk.
This wouldn't matter for most games but a game like Eve probably shouldn't have an easy mode.
Devs should really ask themselves the worth of these as by pulling players into this guaranteed safe income, they pull from all the unsafe areas people actually pvped in. On top of that most of these people are using the income to PLEX their accounts. Meaning this loud voice really isn't bringing any income into the game.
I am pretty sure people are all for PLEX, and being able to do it only in Hisec, but 3 hours a month? Seriously? |
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