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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
66
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Posted - 2015.04.28 04:38:59 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:Drop Concord protection in incursion systems. Leave the income as is. Need no other changes to the incursion mechanics. Make your 200+ isk/hr, now you deserve it. Not sure why anyone would ever go to one of these over one in actual lowsec.
Lowsec would still be higher risk. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1410
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Posted - 2015.04.28 04:43:18 -
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Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:Drop Concord protection in incursion systems. Leave the income as is. Need no other changes to the incursion mechanics. Make your 200+ isk/hr, now you deserve it. Not sure why anyone would ever go to one of these over one in actual lowsec. Lowsec would still be higher risk. When any hostile group has freedom to travel to the doorstep of the constellation under concord protection I can't help but doubt the accuracy of that statement. |
Mario Putzo
1277
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Posted - 2015.04.28 04:47:22 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:baltec1 wrote: Easy to say but near impossible to do. You cannot gank these fleets and hope to make anything but a massive loss. They sport hefty tanks, roll with six and up t2 logi ships and pack a lot of firepower. They will rip apart a gank fleet like a knife through butter.
LOL the ironing is delicious. "Hey guys HS Incursions aren't Risky enough" Then go do something about it. "Nah man too much risk" what a ******* joke. There is a difference between risk and near impossible. Suicide ganking tactics do not work against a battleship fleet with logi support.
Who said anything about suicide ganking. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10810
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Posted - 2015.04.28 04:58:36 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:
Besides, if you want to do something about HS incursions and their risk factor then do it. Mechanics exist in this game that allow you to create risk for them. If you choose not to employ them, then you are literally no better than the guys who complain endlessly about gankers, and if ISK/HR is so god damn important to you, and your definition of fun...then go run HS incursions, there is literally nothing stopping you from doing them.
Why, exactly, would I or anyone else gank the incursions we are profiting from? We ARE doing them. That's how we know the imbalance exists. That's what you don't get, an imbalance doesn't stop being an imbalance just because people partake in it. I also have an alt in the Tribal Liberation Front flying a purifier and making more isk in an hour (in LP that gets dumped when we are at tier 4 or greater) than incursions and null anoms combined.
Making that kind of wealth with a stealth bomber is unbalanced. Making twice as much isk with THE SAME HULL in the safety of high sec than you would risking that half billion isk pirate hull in null sec is similarly broken. The only pve that works correctly in EVE online is wormhole PVE, the ret is broken,
You might not care, but those of us who PVE tend to, because those imbalances create distortions in the game eco-system that result in bad consequences. Here is the text book example of it. That change should have worked, it should have created more conflict in null. More conflict means more ships dying. More ships dying means more profits for HIGH SEC ship builders and mission runners who provide modules via loyalty points. It would have meant that null sec people could have lived in null rather than taking up space in high sec incursion fleets that high sec pilots could have enjoyed. It should have meant more targets (content) for null, low and wormhole raider types who would day trip into sov null for kills.
But it didn't, because why fight over pennies when you can go to high sec (or faction warfare, or a wormhole) and make more with (in high sec's case) less chance of loss or interruption. The ONLY think the change in that link did was make high sec incursion wait lists expand.
And the 'imbalance deniers" and "high sec partisans" Are too bloody short sighted to understand any of this. The high sec types cling to their imbalances not understanding that an end to it means more for EVERYONE (better value for miners, industrialists and mission runners because null people can actually live in null where things blow up because it's lucrative enough, less wait time for high sec incursion fleets because fewer null alts, fewer null sec alts crapping up high sec in general and NO MORE of these threads).
But hey, it's ok, you guys deny the existence of something that not only can you test for yourselves, but also that distorts the game to the point that it's actually having an affect on you now, and folks like me will keep flying in high sec incursions (well, i won't, been doing them for two weeks, tired to death of them for at least a month) occupying fleet spots you could have had lol. Enjoy that wait list. |
Mario Putzo
1278
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Posted - 2015.04.28 05:01:57 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:
Besides, if you want to do something about HS incursions and their risk factor then do it. Mechanics exist in this game that allow you to create risk for them. If you choose not to employ them, then you are literally no better than the guys who complain endlessly about gankers, and if ISK/HR is so god damn important to you, and your definition of fun...then go run HS incursions, there is literally nothing stopping you from doing them.
Why, exactly, would I or anyone else gank the incursions we are profiting from? We ARE doing them. That's how we know the imbalance exists. That's what you don't get, an imbalance doesn't stop being an imbalance just because people partake in it. I also have an alt in the Tribal Liberation Front flying a purifier and making more isk in an hour (in LP that gets dumped when we are at tier 4 or greater) than incursions and null anoms combined.
An imbalance compared to what exactly? As far as I know incursions also exist in Lowsec, and Nullsec. So where exactly is this imbalance?
Also I didn't say anything about ganking them...think outside of the box friend. |
Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
67
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Posted - 2015.04.28 05:14:50 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:
Besides, if you want to do something about HS incursions and their risk factor then do it. Mechanics exist in this game that allow you to create risk for them. If you choose not to employ them, then you are literally no better than the guys who complain endlessly about gankers, and if ISK/HR is so god damn important to you, and your definition of fun...then go run HS incursions, there is literally nothing stopping you from doing them.
Why, exactly, would I or anyone else gank the incursions we are profiting from? We ARE doing them. That's how we know the imbalance exists. That's what you don't get, an imbalance doesn't stop being an imbalance just because people partake in it. I also have an alt in the Tribal Liberation Front flying a purifier and making more isk in an hour (in LP that gets dumped when we are at tier 4 or greater) than incursions and null anoms combined. An imbalance compared to what exactly? As far as I know incursions also exist in Lowsec, and Nullsec. So where exactly is this imbalance? Also I didn't say anything about ganking them... think outside of the box friend. (also please don't include me with "you guys" thanks. I have never done a single incursion, and probably never will.)
You want me to Logi the Sansha? Lol, mate, just laughing at that possibility... |
Mario Putzo
1278
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Posted - 2015.04.28 05:17:19 -
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Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:
Besides, if you want to do something about HS incursions and their risk factor then do it. Mechanics exist in this game that allow you to create risk for them. If you choose not to employ them, then you are literally no better than the guys who complain endlessly about gankers, and if ISK/HR is so god damn important to you, and your definition of fun...then go run HS incursions, there is literally nothing stopping you from doing them.
Why, exactly, would I or anyone else gank the incursions we are profiting from? We ARE doing them. That's how we know the imbalance exists. That's what you don't get, an imbalance doesn't stop being an imbalance just because people partake in it. I also have an alt in the Tribal Liberation Front flying a purifier and making more isk in an hour (in LP that gets dumped when we are at tier 4 or greater) than incursions and null anoms combined. An imbalance compared to what exactly? As far as I know incursions also exist in Lowsec, and Nullsec. So where exactly is this imbalance? Also I didn't say anything about ganking them... think outside of the box friend. (also please don't include me with "you guys" thanks. I have never done a single incursion, and probably never will.) You want me to Logi the Sansha? Lol, mate, just laughing at that possibility...
Ding ding ding, we have a winner!
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15702
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Posted - 2015.04.28 05:19:52 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:
Ding ding ding, we have a winner!
Doesn't work.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Mario Putzo
1278
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Posted - 2015.04.28 05:26:19 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:
Ding ding ding, we have a winner!
Doesn't work.
I would love to see a source for that. Works on every other NPC in the game, NPC list also includes Sanshas Incursion Rats. Of course you probably haven't actually attempted it. Neither have I, but I have gone into missions and repped rats others were shooting. So ya, source please. |
Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
67
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Posted - 2015.04.28 05:32:35 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:baltec1 wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:
Ding ding ding, we have a winner!
Doesn't work. I would love to see a source for that. Works on every other NPC in the game, NPC list also includes Sanshas Incursion Rats. Of course you probably haven't actually attempted it. Neither have I, but I have gone into missions and repped rats others were shooting. So ya, source please.
Just tried it, doesn't work. "interference" cited.
So that leaves ganking and wardecs. And wardecs don't work. |
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Mario Putzo
1280
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Posted - 2015.04.28 05:35:02 -
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Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:baltec1 wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:
Ding ding ding, we have a winner!
Doesn't work. I would love to see a source for that. Works on every other NPC in the game, NPC list also includes Sanshas Incursion Rats. Of course you probably haven't actually attempted it. Neither have I, but I have gone into missions and repped rats others were shooting. So ya, source please. Just tried it, doesn't work. "interference" cited. So that leaves ganking and wardecs. And wardecs don't work.
Super gay.
Oh well sorry NS guys I tried to help ya out. Guess you will just have to keep complaining about the system they just buffed 6 months ago.
Or CCP can remove ~interference~ |
Solecist Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
21910
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Posted - 2015.04.28 05:38:06 -
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Repping NPCs gets you CONCORDed or a warning from the GMs.
Unlike you who just talk like an idiot I actually tried repping NPCs ... ... not Sanshas, but that doesn't matter ... ... and it's verboten, because ... ... well I forgot.
That was in 2011 or something?
So go ahead and rep them. Do it. Be a winner.
lol
You're all idiots. If anyone cared qbout change, they should cut incursion income to a quarter and then readjust eventually.
BECAUSE NO ONE OF YOU HYPOCRIT LIARS ACTUALLY PLAYS FOR THE FUN OF IT YOU ALL JUST PLAY FOR THE GODDAMN MONEY! YOU PEOPLE ARE THE WORST OF THE WORST!
Any and all discussions are pointless, because you incursion runners have no honesty in you.
You just talk out of your asses just because you are greedy monsters.
Goons should come to highsec and just end all incursions ASAP.
We all will laugh at your tears of rage you stinking, worthless carebears.
Bumping is fine, Ganking is fine.
The real issue are Carebears. Bad people wishing ill and death upon on all of us.
The obvious solution is to wipe them out and make sure they don't come back.
Let's kill them all for the good of EVEmanity.
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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
67
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Posted - 2015.04.28 05:40:07 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:baltec1 wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:
Ding ding ding, we have a winner!
Doesn't work. I would love to see a source for that. Works on every other NPC in the game, NPC list also includes Sanshas Incursion Rats. Of course you probably haven't actually attempted it. Neither have I, but I have gone into missions and repped rats others were shooting. So ya, source please. Just tried it, doesn't work. "interference" cited. So that leaves ganking and wardecs. And wardecs don't work. Super gay. Oh well sorry NS guys I tried to help ya out. Guess you will just have to keep complaining about the system they just buffed 6 months ago.
Np thanks. And fwiw, I live in highsec. This isn't about sec (ie null/vs/high) it is just about risk/reward imbalance for me. Add some risk and I could agree with the rewards. |
Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
67
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Posted - 2015.04.28 05:44:28 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Repping NPCs gets you CONCORDed or a warning from the GMs.
Unlike you who just talk like an idiot I actually tried repping NPCs ... ... not Sanshas, but that doesn't matter ... ... and it's verboten, because ... ... well I forgot.
That was in 2011 or something?
So go ahead and rep them. Do it. Be a winner.
lol
You're all idiots. If anyone cared qbout change, they should cut incursion income to a quarter and then readjust eventually.
BECAUSE NO ONE OF YOU HYPOCRIT LIARS ACTUALLY PLAYS FOR THE FUN OF IT YOU ALL JUST PLAY FOR THE GODDAMN MONEY! YOU PEOPLE ARE THE WORST OF THE WORST!
Any and all discussions are pointless, because you incursion runners have no honesty in you.
You just talk out of your asses just because you are greedy monsters.
Goons should come to highsec and just end all incursions ASAP.
We all will laugh at your tears of rage you stinking, worthless carebears.
Sol on a rampage GG
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
104
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Posted - 2015.04.28 05:44:32 -
[255] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Repping NPCs gets you CONCORDed or a warning from the GMs.
Unlike you who just talk like an idiot I actually tried repping NPCs ... ... not Sanshas, but that doesn't matter ... ... and it's verboten, because ... ... well I forgot.
That was in 2011 or something?
So go ahead and rep them. Do it. Be a winner.
lol
You're all idiots. If anyone cared qbout change, they should cut incursion income to a quarter and then readjust eventually.
BECAUSE NO ONE OF YOU HYPOCRIT LIARS ACTUALLY PLAYS FOR THE FUN OF IT YOU ALL JUST PLAY FOR THE GODDAMN MONEY! YOU PEOPLE ARE THE WORST OF THE WORST!
Any and all discussions are pointless, because you incursion runners have no honesty in you.
You just talk out of your asses just because you are greedy monsters.
Goons should come to highsec and just end all incursions ASAP.
We all will laugh at your tears of rage you stinking, worthless carebears.
Can you please lend me some isk? Like 500mill? Tyvm. I dont wana bear 4 it |
Mario Putzo
1280
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Posted - 2015.04.28 05:47:54 -
[256] - Quote
Kaldi Tsukaya wrote: Np thanks. And fwiw, I live in highsec. This isn't about sec (ie null/vs/high) it is just about risk/reward imbalance for me. Add some risk and I could agree with the rewards.
Meh im indifferent. The most profitable venture in EVE is trading, don't even need to undock for that!
Risk/Reward is a joke anyway. It is a placebo catch all that people use to get what they want. If Risk/Reward was actually a balancing metric folks living in Low Sec would be shiting gold nuggets
That being said, would be cool if Incursions blocked CONCORD. |
Solecist Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
21911
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Posted - 2015.04.28 05:51:48 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Repping NPCs gets you CONCORDed or a warning from the GMs.
Unlike you who just talk like an idiot I actually tried repping NPCs ... ... not Sanshas, but that doesn't matter ... ... and it's verboten, because ... ... well I forgot.
That was in 2011 or something?
So go ahead and rep them. Do it. Be a winner.
lol
You're all idiots. If anyone cared qbout change, they should cut incursion income to a quarter and then readjust eventually.
BECAUSE NO ONE OF YOU HYPOCRIT LIARS ACTUALLY PLAYS FOR THE FUN OF IT YOU ALL JUST PLAY FOR THE GODDAMN MONEY! YOU PEOPLE ARE THE WORST OF THE WORST!
Any and all discussions are pointless, because you incursion runners have no honesty in you.
You just talk out of your asses just because you are greedy monsters.
Goons should come to highsec and just end all incursions ASAP.
We all will laugh at your tears of rage you stinking, worthless carebears. Can you please lend me some isk? Like 500mill? Tyvm. I dont wana bear 4 it Get a job. Buy PLEX. Sell on the market.
Bumping is fine, Ganking is fine.
The real issue are Carebears. Bad people wishing ill and death upon on all of us.
The obvious solution is to wipe them out and make sure they don't come back.
Let's kill them all for the good of EVEmanity.
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Solecist Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
21912
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Posted - 2015.04.28 05:56:11 -
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Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Repping NPCs gets you CONCORDed or a warning from the GMs.
Unlike you who just talk like an idiot I actually tried repping NPCs ... ... not Sanshas, but that doesn't matter ... ... and it's verboten, because ... ... well I forgot.
That was in 2011 or something?
So go ahead and rep them. Do it. Be a winner.
lol
You're all idiots. If anyone cared qbout change, they should cut incursion income to a quarter and then readjust eventually.
BECAUSE NO ONE OF YOU HYPOCRIT LIARS ACTUALLY PLAYS FOR THE FUN OF IT YOU ALL JUST PLAY FOR THE GODDAMN MONEY! YOU PEOPLE ARE THE WORST OF THE WORST!
Any and all discussions are pointless, because you incursion runners have no honesty in you.
You just talk out of your asses just because you are greedy monsters.
Goons should come to highsec and just end all incursions ASAP.
We all will laugh at your tears of rage you stinking, worthless carebears. Sol on a rampage GG You know what then happens? They will fill the forums with rage and worthless threats of unsubbing!
We could only wish this to come true!
Adjusting the rewards to the risk is pointless anyway. What CCP should do it cut the income down dramatically to see who is actually doing them for the fun of it and not just to fill their empty egos with pixelmoney!
And THEN we can talk about it!
Anything else is completely pointless!
Aaaand quoted the wrong post. Meant to quote the one about risk/reward adjustment.
In any way ... why can't goons do us all a favour and just end this?
LET THE IMPERIUM TAKE OVER HIGHSEC!
Bumping is fine, Ganking is fine.
The real issue are Carebears. Bad people wishing ill and death upon on all of us.
The obvious solution is to wipe them out and make sure they don't come back.
Let's kill them all for the good of EVEmanity.
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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
68
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Posted - 2015.04.28 05:57:54 -
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Better yet, donate that Plex to PLEX4GOOD.
Do that and I'll give you that value in warships.
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Solecist Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
21912
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Posted - 2015.04.28 05:59:17 -
[260] - Quote
Mario Putzo wrote:Kaldi Tsukaya wrote: Np thanks. And fwiw, I live in highsec. This isn't about sec (ie null/vs/high) it is just about risk/reward imbalance for me. Add some risk and I could agree with the rewards.
Meh im indifferent. The most profitable venture in EVE is trading, don't even need to undock for that! Risk/Reward is a joke anyway. It is a placebo catch all that people use to get what they want. If Risk/Reward was actually a balancing metric folks living in Low Sec would be shiting gold nuggets That being said, would be cool if Incursions blocked CONCORD. If you propose that as idea in F&I I will support and defend it to the teeth!
Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:Better yet, donate that Plex to PLEX4GOOD.
Do that and I'll give you that value in warships.
You wished. "BUT I NEED THAT MONEY TO PLEX MY ACCOUNTS HOW CAN YOU ASK ME TO WASTE IT???"
Or... "Oh sure here have a PLEX see I'm a good person!" ... not mentioning the hundreds of billions they have already.
That's the reality of greed!
Bumping is fine, Ganking is fine.
The real issue are Carebears. Bad people wishing ill and death upon on all of us.
The obvious solution is to wipe them out and make sure they don't come back.
Let's kill them all for the good of EVEmanity.
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tiberiusric
Comply Or Die Against ALL Anomalies
198
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Posted - 2015.04.28 05:59:36 -
[261] - Quote
this is one thing i never get my head around with some people in this game why the hell would you ask for something like making is to be nerfed! |
Solecist Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
21912
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Posted - 2015.04.28 06:02:09 -
[262] - Quote
tiberiusric wrote:this is one thing i never get my head around with some people in this game why the hell would you ask for something like making is to be nerfed! You are missing the point. Completely.
Bumping is fine, Ganking is fine.
The real issue are Carebears. Bad people wishing ill and death upon on all of us.
The obvious solution is to wipe them out and make sure they don't come back.
Let's kill them all for the good of EVEmanity.
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Mario Putzo
1282
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Posted - 2015.04.28 06:06:16 -
[263] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Kaldi Tsukaya wrote: Np thanks. And fwiw, I live in highsec. This isn't about sec (ie null/vs/high) it is just about risk/reward imbalance for me. Add some risk and I could agree with the rewards.
Meh im indifferent. The most profitable venture in EVE is trading, don't even need to undock for that! Risk/Reward is a joke anyway. It is a placebo catch all that people use to get what they want. If Risk/Reward was actually a balancing metric folks living in Low Sec would be shiting gold nuggets That being said, would be cool if Incursions blocked CONCORD. If you propose that as idea in F&I I will support and defend it to the teeth! !
Meh I actually have 0 fucks to give whether incursions change or not. I don't do them, and I really could care less how people make their isk, or how much isk they make, because really it doesn't impact me in the slightest.
I am only here because NS vs HS.
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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
68
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Posted - 2015.04.28 06:06:37 -
[264] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:Better yet, donate that Plex to PLEX4GOOD.
Do that and I'll give you that value in warships.
You wished. "BUT I NEED THAT MONEY TO PLEX MY ACCOUNTS HOW CAN YOU ASK ME TO WASTE IT???" Or... "Oh sure here have a PLEX see I'm a good person!" ... not mentioning the hundreds of billions they have already. That's the reality of greed!
imho Funny thing is, people who really need the most ask for the least. And those who give from the heart never need tell others.
Ppl need it, don't matter who gives it. Just do what you can. |
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
5403
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Posted - 2015.04.28 06:09:50 -
[265] - Quote
Removed some off topic posts. Keep it on topic and civil. No more warnings.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Mario Putzo
1282
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Posted - 2015.04.28 06:14:18 -
[266] - Quote
Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:baltec1 wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:
Ding ding ding, we have a winner!
Doesn't work. I would love to see a source for that. Works on every other NPC in the game, NPC list also includes Sanshas Incursion Rats. Of course you probably haven't actually attempted it. Neither have I, but I have gone into missions and repped rats others were shooting. So ya, source please. Just tried it, doesn't work. "interference" cited. So that leaves ganking and wardecs. And wardecs don't work.
(not my fault the filter sucks)
Well that is super unfortunate.
Sorry NS folks was just trying to help you out, but I suppose you can return to complaining about a system that was buffed only 6 months ago.
Would be neat to see Incursions block CONCORD though. |
Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
69
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Posted - 2015.04.28 06:16:55 -
[267] - Quote
^^ok.
As to the OP, incursion income is out of whack in HS, related to other activities. I would increase the risk, and leave income potential at the current levels. Remove Concord response in incursion systems. Let the players dictate the risk levels. |
Solecist Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
21915
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Posted - 2015.04.28 06:23:35 -
[268] - Quote
Ending this debate demands a thread in F&I, asking for ...
... cutting HS incursion income down to a quarter to see who actually runs them for the gameplay. ... removing CONCORD from sites, because it makes no sense whatsoever that they are there. ... a way to actually disrupt incursion farming. The current situation does not allow for that at all.
Wardecs are pointless and suicide ganking does not allow for successfull disruption.
In any case are incursions the opposite of what this game is about. There is no way to counter incursioneers successfully, continuously, and there is no amount of ISK that could change that.
Bumping is fine, Ganking is fine.
The real issue are Carebears. Bad people wishing ill and death upon on all of us.
The obvious solution is to wipe them out and make sure they don't come back.
Let's kill them all for the good of EVEmanity.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1064
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Posted - 2015.04.28 06:41:13 -
[269] - Quote
Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:^^ok.
As to the OP, incursion income is out of whack in HS, related to other activities. I would increase the risk, and leave income potential at the current levels. Remove Concord response in incursion systems. Let the players dictate the risk levels.
then you might as well go to lowsec.
honestly most players risk billion isk+ ships to run incursions, but if they don't ever lose them then I guess that isn't much of a risk. but that risk gets hard to quantify as not losing a ship depends on other players doing their role.
most of my incursion experience was running VGs at off peak hours, and as far as that goes I'd rather just run lv4 missions. maybe these days the communities are better and you can do HQs/Assaults or whatever you do at more hours so that would be one thing, but also that HQs have a double? payout of VGs.
and then there are scouts which got "buffed" but apparently to a state where they are useless.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
70
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Posted - 2015.04.28 06:51:31 -
[270] - Quote
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:^^ok.
As to the OP, incursion income is out of whack in HS, related to other activities. I would increase the risk, and leave income potential at the current levels. Remove Concord response in incursion systems. Let the players dictate the risk levels. then you might as well go to lowsec. honestly most players risk billion isk+ ships to run incursions, but if they don't ever lose them then I guess that isn't much of a risk. but that risk gets hard to quantify as not losing a ship depends on other players doing their role. most of my incursion experience was running VGs at off peak hours, and as far as that goes I'd rather just run lv4 missions. maybe these days the communities are better and you can do HQs/Assaults or whatever you do at more hours so that would be one thing, but also that HQs have a double? payout of VGs. and then there are scouts which got "buffed" but apparently to a state where they are useless.
I have yet to ever ask anything be "nerfed", especially incomes. In a way, this would be asking for a "buff" to PvP, by removing the NPC oversight during (sigh) an NPC event.
Why not throw in the Drifters/Sleepers, and belt rats too and make it an NPC fest, and we can all sit around and watch the NPC's fight each other. And then fight each other to scoop up the loot drops...
Less NPCs all around, it is supposed to be PvP is it not? Or maybe I joined EvE for all the wrong reasons....? Sighs...
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