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Vikarion
State Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2015.05.06 04:28:28 -
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I would like to thank the administrators of this conference for accepting me. I will be - unofficially - representing the Caldari Bloc as a whole.
I will have no entourage. Or any major speech, beyond a few remarks. |
Cakzad Arcashiri
Arcashiri Family
110
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Posted - 2015.05.06 11:32:36 -
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Katiya Khadiija wrote:Liam Antolliere wrote:You are, of course, welcome to attend though I suspect any market size limitations placed upon corporations would not be within the scope of this conference. Perhaps not directly, but there's always the chance that some arbitrary agreed upon stipulation would effectively constrict a market for goods from certain corporations outside a specific empire's sphere of influence. My aim is to prevent that from happening, as I'd stand to lose billions in daily transactions.
Despite my distaste and disregard for Miss Khadiija (see, I can willingly say I don't like you), the point she brings up is indeed a crucial one.
However, in regard to his certain delegate serving that role, putting my personal preferences aside, she is obviously in it for the money, as she clearly states "I'd lose billions", not corporations or traders, but her. As far as I understand, this Conference is not about the self, but the whole.
However, I will abide by whatever decision the Conference makes. |
Avio Yaken
Scope Works
2032
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Posted - 2015.05.06 12:40:43 -
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Cakzad Arcashiri wrote:Katiya Khadiija wrote:Liam Antolliere wrote:You are, of course, welcome to attend though I suspect any market size limitations placed upon corporations would not be within the scope of this conference. Perhaps not directly, but there's always the chance that some arbitrary agreed upon stipulation would effectively constrict a market for goods from certain corporations outside a specific empire's sphere of influence. My aim is to prevent that from happening, as I'd stand to lose billions in daily transactions. Despite my distaste and disregard for Miss Khadiija (see, I can willingly say I don't like you), the point she brings up is indeed a crucial one. However, in regard to his certain delegate serving that role, putting my personal preferences aside, she is obviously in it for the money, as she clearly states "I'd lose billions", not corporations or traders, but her. As far as I understand, this Conference is not about the self, but the whole. However, I will abide by whatever decision the Conference makes.
Im gonna have a FUN time keeping you two apart.....
One does not simply, Cope with the scope
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Cakzad Arcashiri
Arcashiri Family
110
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Posted - 2015.05.06 12:49:32 -
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I will not let the 20 Million ISK bounty on my head effect the Conference.
My statement was simply based on facts, putting my own personal preferences away. It would seem that she is in it more for the ISK then the true purpose, peace. However, as previously stated whatever decision the Congress reaches, I will respect and abide by. |
Liam Antolliere
Liberty Vanguard
435
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Posted - 2015.05.06 13:24:38 -
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Lord Arcashiri,
With respect; you have already let your personal feelings regarding Mademoiselle Khadiija influence your behavior and your statements regarding her. The Administration would kindly request that all participants of the Pahkshi Peace Conference refrain from attacks against other delegates, either verbally or physically, as it is counter-productive to the goals of the Conference.
Further, "she's in it for the money," and "she's thinking of the self," are both irrelevant points. Every delegate has a personal investment in the Conference, every delegate is "in it for the self," to some degree which is why every delegate represents their own personal interests and the interests of those who share them.
Just as you seek to represent the Ardishapur family and the Empire, both of which hold personal relevance to you; Mademoiselle Khadiija seeks to represent free enterprise and market liberties, both of which hold personal relevance to her.
"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
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Johanesse
The Scope Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2015.05.06 14:31:32 -
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Cakzad Arcashiri wrote: However, in regard to his certain delegate serving that role, putting my personal preferences aside, she is obviously in it for the money, as she clearly states "I'd lose billions", not corporations or traders, but her.
You say this like this is a bad thing.
There is no greater force for freedom and liberty than an unrestricted free-market, driven by multiple free-acting individuals and their manifold desires. A peace conference that does not allow room for this view-point would be a farce. Thankfully, it appears the organizers are not as narrow-minded as you.
Le secret de la liberté est d'éclairer les hommes, comme celui de la tyrannie et de les retenir dans l'ignorance
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Cakzad Arcashiri
Arcashiri Family
110
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Posted - 2015.05.06 14:59:33 -
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Alright, consider the message heard. |
Johanesse
The Scope Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2015.05.06 15:24:38 -
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Cakzad Arcashiri wrote:Alright, consider the message heard.
Good. If only the rest of the Amarr were so quick to see reason.
Le secret de la liberté est d'éclairer les hommes, comme celui de la tyrannie et de les retenir dans l'ignorance
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Katiya Khadiija
The Juice Factory
7
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Posted - 2015.05.06 16:46:46 -
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Cakzad Arcashiri wrote:It would seem that she is in it more for the ISK then the true purpose, peace.
Contrarily, I'm quite interested in true peace, as that is when markets work best, as they are unrestricted.
While I do have a personal stake in the results of the conference, I'm not necessarily going into it with a personal mindset; I seek to be a representative of the wider corporate stakeholders and as such will do my best to not put the needs of any singular corporate entity before those of any other. |
Liam Antolliere
Liberty Vanguard
439
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Posted - 2015.05.07 12:11:40 -
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REMINDER:
The deadline for requesting attendance to the Pahkshi Peace Conference is tomorrow. Any person or party still interested in attendance should submit a formal request to Doctor Arkon Sarain with the relevant information prior to that time.
Thank you.
"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
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Tabor Murn
Kaitaua Whamere
93
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Posted - 2015.05.07 13:07:45 -
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Are there any delegates representing their respective Tribe, or the Minmatar Republic as a whole? |
Liam Antolliere
Liberty Vanguard
439
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Posted - 2015.05.07 13:32:00 -
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Tabor Murn wrote:Are there any delegates representing their respective Tribe, or the Minmatar Republic as a whole?
Yes.
We would encourage the participation of more, however.
"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
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Liam Antolliere
Liberty Vanguard
444
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Posted - 2015.05.08 15:34:09 -
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We would like to take this time to remind all delegates that weapons will not be permitted on the premises under any circumstances.
The only armed personnel on location will be the authorized security personnel, who will primarily be armed with non-lethal response equipment.
Further, any act of violence instigated by any party will be subject to immediate repercussions up to, and including, expulsion from the Conference. Any incident will be subject to immediate investigation to determine any and all parties at fault.
If any delegate does not wish to attend under these circumstances in person, then we encourage you to make use of the state-of-the-art holo-emitter system employed by the conference.
We appreciate your continued interest and participation as we take every effort to ensure the safety and security of all involved parties.
"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
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Liam Antolliere
Liberty Vanguard
448
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Posted - 2015.05.10 03:59:07 -
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The Pahkshi Peace Conference Administration would like to take this time to thank all of the delegates, visitors, business personnel and press personnel that attended the opening day of the Conference.
It is our sincere hope that the remaining days of the conference will prove productive.
"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
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Feu dAstres
Nox Draconum Holding Corp Nox Draconum
46
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Posted - 2015.05.10 11:10:12 -
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Although other events required my attention during the first session of the Pakhshi Peace Conference, I do hope to attend the second, and probably later, sessions.
I too represent a multi-factional industrial-mercentile group and am interested in preservation of free trade across the borders. |
Utari Onzo
13. Enigma Project
235
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Posted - 2015.05.10 11:59:44 -
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I echo Mr Antolliere's words, and further wish to distribute a recording of the Day One Press Conference for Public consumption.
Please turn your GalNet to this datapacket.
New York, Paris, Peckham, Jita
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Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
987
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Posted - 2015.05.10 15:18:50 -
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I can see by the text that this is a very calm and intellectual gathering. Populated only by the likes of those who have respect for peace and fully desire a world of coexistance like Diana Kim.
Truly inspiring.
No really. I am sure this will go places. |
Markus Error
Her Majesty's Crown Corporation
46
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Posted - 2015.05.10 15:31:39 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:I can see by the text that this is a very calm and intellectual gathering. Populated only by the likes of those who have respect for peace and fully desire a world of coexistance like Diana Kim.
Truly inspiring.
No really. I am sure this will go places. My, my. Sarcasm. How original.
"The spirits are not the wise elders many are led to believe. The spirits are not the almighty. The spirits are not our gods, nor our inferiors; they are our companions. And with them, the will of the Minmatar is unbreakable." -The Shaman's Way
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Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
987
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Posted - 2015.05.10 15:39:33 -
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Almost as funny as people taking Diana seriously at a peace conference. She's far more of a racist, bigoted, warmongering lunatic than nearly anyone else I've ever met. And she was seriously invited. It boggles the mind. |
Liam Antolliere
Liberty Vanguard
450
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Posted - 2015.05.10 17:05:24 -
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Mademoiselle Polevhia,
What you say may be truth, but it is inconsequential at this time.
The Conference deliberated for some time over the delegates and the decisions that were made were not made lightly. Commander Kim's presence has caused a noticeable stir, to be sure.
However, it is the belief of the Conference that even the most extreme of viewpoints can be fielded in order to address them and the manner in which we conduct ourselves in light of them is of utmost importance. Excluding a particular delegate because of their tendency to behave a particular way may have been prudent, but allowing the General Congress a chance to be met with contention and to prove they have the will and ability to overcome such an obstacle is paramount.
Voices of dissension will be found in any crowd and those who seek to disrupt are commonplace in any meaningful gathering. This one is no exception.
We believe the first day press conference validates that understanding.
What the days ahead will contain is not for me to say, but I can make assurances that there are contingency plans in place for dealing with altercations.
"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
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Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
988
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Posted - 2015.05.10 17:24:29 -
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Liam Antolliere wrote:However, it is the belief of the Conference that even the most extreme of viewpoints can be fielded in order to address them and the manner in which we conduct ourselves in light of them is of utmost importance. Excluding a particular delegate because of their tendency to behave a particular way may have been prudent, but allowing the General Congress a chance to be met with contention and to prove they have the will and ability to overcome such an obstacle is paramount.
This is not the song you sung a few pages ago. I distinctly remember in fact this being the exact opposite of what was said a few pages ago.
You may not like it but we are a people that exist. We are members of a political entity that existed peacefully for many years before being attacked. At one point there was peace. And myself and many others want there to be peace again.
The PPC claims we are not invited due to extreme viewpoints, and invites others with extreme viewpoints. The PPC claims we are not invited due to not being a political entity, and proceeds to invite people who do not speak for or represent a political entity. There are claims that this is done for security reasons, despite the fact that Kim has demonstrated herself to be such a security threat that her presence was apparently limited to a holoprojection. And Nation supporters have peacefully attended, in person, events held by Capsuleers such as the Seyllin Conference. Even when said conference was discussing the 'Threat of Sansha's Nation', members loyal to Nation were not barred entry.
All that is left to conclude is that either there is a bias against Nation in the organizers or that the whole thing is a farce. Admit the real reason why we are barred and genocidal Capsuleers like Kim are allowed, or admit that there is no valid reason. |
Vikarion
State Trade Consortium
845
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Posted - 2015.05.10 19:46:38 -
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I must confess that I am considering withdrawing from the conference, due to Miss Kim's inclusion. Not only has Miss Kim blocked any communication from me, but I was informed that she would not be attending beforehand.
For her to represent the State is unfortunate, as she is a provist supporter, an element outlawed by the State.
I also expect her presence to essentially function as a reason for the Gallente to refuse to engage, and not entirely without justification. |
Liam Antolliere
Liberty Vanguard
450
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Posted - 2015.05.10 20:02:01 -
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Liam Antolliere wrote:Sansha's Nation is not a political entity. Sansha's Nation is a cult of personality in pursuit of a despot's idea of utopia.
At this time, the conference has elected to view Sansha's Nation as an apolitical non-entity as it has never provided any interest of peace nor coexistence.
The P.P.C. will reiterate the stated purpose behind the exclusion of Sansha's Nation. As misquoted above, the stated reason was not "extreme viewpoints," the stated reason was that Sansha's Nation is an apolitical entity, which it is. Nation has no bearing or involvement in the astropolitical arena of the cluster, it exists as a cult of followers beholden to a single entity's idea of a utopia and has expressed the intent to pursue that idea with abductions and military action absent any attempt at diplomacy.
Nation has never been recognized as a political entity by any of the existing political entities in the cluster, nor has it ever sought to accomplish such a recognition. It has had no involvement in treaties, armistices or agreements; has no internal political system that has ever been recognized by any external polity and has never engaged in diplomatic discourse on any official level with any nation or political entity.
Nation has expressed a hostile stance against all existing nations, communities and political entities within the cluster. Nation has taken hostile military action against all existing nations, communities and political entities. Nation has, to date, not expressed a concern for reconciliation, peaceful coexistence or any diplomatic solution barring those expressed by an independent group of capsuleer Nation loyalists.
Whether the viewpoint is popular or not is irrelevant, the administrators of the Conference have elected to deny entry to Nation under these grounds.
"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
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Liam Antolliere
Liberty Vanguard
450
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Posted - 2015.05.10 20:04:52 -
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Mister Vikarion,
The P.P.C. Administration permitted the admission of Commander Kim as a legal entity under the State's Patriot bloc and has considered, at length, the voices and testaments of other State-loyal delegates in concern to this admission.
The P.P.C. claims no foreknowledge to the status of Commander Kim as an illegal entity under the State.
If this decision has been made in error, we encourage you and any other State-loyal delegate to express your concerns through proper channels available within the Conference.
"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
963
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Posted - 2015.05.10 20:16:51 -
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Liam Antolliere wrote:Liam Antolliere wrote:Sansha's Nation is not a political entity. Sansha's Nation is a cult of personality in pursuit of a despot's idea of utopia.
At this time, the conference has elected to view Sansha's Nation as an apolitical non-entity as it has never provided any interest of peace nor coexistence. The P.P.C. will reiterate the stated purpose behind the exclusion of Sansha's Nation. As misquoted above, the stated reason was not "extreme viewpoints," the stated reason was that Sansha's Nation is an apolitical entity, which it is. Nation has no bearing or involvement in the astropolitical arena of the cluster, it exists as a cult of followers beholden to a single entity's idea of a utopia and has expressed the intent to pursue that idea with abductions and military action absent any attempt at diplomacy. Nation has never been recognized as a political entity by any of the existing political entities in the cluster, nor has it ever sought to accomplish such a recognition. It has had no involvement in treaties, armistices or agreements; has no internal political system that has ever been recognized by any external polity and has never engaged in diplomatic discourse on any official level with any nation or political entity. Nation has expressed a hostile stance against all existing nations, communities and political entities within the cluster. Nation has taken hostile military action against all existing nations, communities and political entities. Nation has, to date, not expressed a concern for reconciliation, peaceful coexistence or any diplomatic solution barring those expressed by an independent group of capsuleer Nation loyalists. Whether the viewpoint is popular or not is irrelevant, the administrators of the Conference have elected to deny entry to Nation under these grounds.
Forgive me for wondering but... Can this not be said for every other 'pirate' faction too, with the exception of the Serpentis Corp ? |
Tiberious Thessalonia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
2362
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Posted - 2015.05.10 20:24:00 -
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It leads me to think that the PPC organizers are Angel sympathizers, to be honest, being that members of the Angel Cartel were invited. |
Liam Antolliere
Liberty Vanguard
450
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Posted - 2015.05.10 20:42:49 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:
Forgive me for wondering but... Can this not be said for every other 'pirate' faction too, with the exception of the Serpentis Corp ?
Not precisely.
Even the CONCORD established "pirate" factions have been shown to have both business and political dealings with other nations and political entities and have, on occasion, worked with such entities toward a common goal.
While not necessarily legitimate political entities or nations, they have both direct and indirect involvement in the political and financial affairs of the cluster and can be potentially reasoned with toward a common, workable solution of peaceful coexistence.
"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
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Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
96
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Posted - 2015.05.10 21:12:17 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:It leads me to think that the PPC organizers are Angel sympathizers, to be honest, being that members of the Angel Cartel were invited.
Unlike our competition, the Cartel has existed for a century. We have what is best described as a political system, with checks and balances. We're not a cult of personality like the Rabbits. And while we exist and operate outside the law, our goal is not the enslavement or destruction of humanity as we see with Omir's Bloodraiders or Sansha's Nation.
Our interest in the peace process is because the above mentioned groups, in addition to emergent threats such as the Drifters or Rogue Drones, puts us as a species at risk.
I can assure you that the organizers of this event are not sympathetic to us, but they recognize that we have a unique perspective, based on a century of working with and against each government faction.
Extinction is bad for business.
Dark Amarr: Rumors!
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Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
989
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Posted - 2015.05.10 22:15:48 -
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Liam Antolliere wrote:Even the CONCORD established "pirate" factions have been shown to have both business and political dealings with other nations and political entities and have, on occasion, worked with such entities toward a common goal. So just going to ignore the existing political and business relations between Nation and the Gurista as well as Sank Sabik? Not to mention the trade and political deals going on between Nation, the Amarr, and the Caldari before the empires attacked?
There isn't a lack of political and economic ties. There's a lack of empire loyalists recognizing Nation's long standing ties to the cluster. Nation would not have been possible without the Empire selling Matari and the State selling technology. Don't ignore the past when it suits you.
And Pilot Mokk, I assure you extinction is no more palatable to us. I would sell my soul, if I believed I had one to barter with, if it would grant us an end to our wars. We all seek two things. How to end a war to our own benefit, and failing that how to persue a war to our own benefit. Mistake not our actions. Omir seeks blood. Nation seeks to rebuild what was taken away from us by the fire of the empires. This can be done through peace if people would set aside old prejudices. |
Liam Antolliere
Liberty Vanguard
450
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Posted - 2015.05.11 11:41:29 -
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Allow me to put aside diplomacy and speak plainly then, Pilot Polevhia.
When Sansha Kuvakei originally rose to prominence, he drew people to him simply by the force of his personality and his promise of a utopia. People came to him of their own volition and the Empires did not stop it.
When it was discovered that Kuvakei was engaged in gross human experimentation and cybernetic transformation, the results of which were so heinous that it prompted an immediate alliance between every major empire in the cluster, Nation was attacked and destroyed.
Two centuries later, Kuvakei returns but with a different mode of operation. Now, instead of simply inviting others to come, Nation abducts them, staging incursions into empire space to abduct planetary civilizations. Instead of seeking only to create a utopia for those who wish to come, Kuvakei has stated and acted with intent to destroy current empires and eradicate capsuleers.
Your Nation today is not the same Nation from before. Your mode of operation is different. Your stated purpose is different.
Even if it were, "what you had before" prompted an immediate purging from all the major empires in the cluster. What makes you think that "wanting it back" would be any more welcome now than it was before?
Your Master understands this, which is why he didn't come seeking peace.
Stop playing at it and be honest with yourselves.
"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
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