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Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2015.05.06 01:51:58 -
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GordonO wrote:Kirobacsi wrote:Mach fitted with warp speed rigs is the best This, you not going to beat a mach at blitzing low level missions. With 800mm ac's everything is in range as you can kill stuff out to over 60km. warp in, if no gates align out, shoot only what you need to and warp out. Fit a t2 small tractor so you can grab the mission loot if it is needed and start aligning out. Split your guns so you don't waste cycles, I go 2, 2 3.
But I did! Haven't you been paying attention.
The idea that Stoic started was to blitzL3missionsasfastaspossible. He did it for "giggles and laughs".
The Tengu with the 3 tracking computers (as used by Stoic) with optimal range script has a fall-off range within 79km, and optimal range within 50km. That's plenty for almost all the L3 missions. The missions that were blitzed are just about the easiest L3s there is.
Yes, the Mach can one-shot almost all the targets. The 250's on the Tengu cycle at 3.1s, and with 670dps, everything goes down fast.
The trade-off in the comparison was that the Mach might complete the shooting of required targets a few seconds faster then the Tengu, but the Tengu at 9.32AU/s was getting there a few seconds quicker. Most of the Tengu's overall times were faster.
As I have said before, my Tengu beat almost all of Stoic's times on his spread sheet.
I'd like to take a stop watch to all the L3 missions that I do with the Tengu, and put them up against anyone, and anything.
I'm not really hearing anything from anyone on the times they could do these missions in. Has anyone actually tried? Maybe tried and failed? Stoic has laid down the ground rules if anyone wants to add their two cents.
-Kirst
Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1096
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Posted - 2015.05.06 03:15:47 -
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Ion Kirst wrote:I'd like to take a stop watch to all the L3 missions that I do with the Tengu, and put them up against anyone, and anything
too much effort imo. I'd spend more time updating spreadsheets and playing with the stopwatch than playing eve. probably best to just compare isk and LP/hour or something.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1096
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Posted - 2015.05.06 03:29:42 -
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Darling Hassasin wrote:With the respective skill at 5 the t3 Destroyers are very efficient at blitzing lvl3s at a fraction of the price and easily used in low sec areas to provide similar LP rewards to lvl 4 missions
now that sounds fun
@ChainsawPlankto
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Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
125
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Posted - 2015.05.06 11:30:17 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Ion Kirst wrote:I'd like to take a stop watch to all the L3 missions that I do with the Tengu, and put them up against anyone, and anything too much effort imo. I'd spend more time updating spreadsheets and playing with the stopwatch than playing eve. probably best to just compare isk and LP/hour or something.
I totally agree with you.
The point of all this was that if Stoics Mach could generate 90M+/hr, by blitzing L3s, then all anyone had to do to earn that amount of isk and LPs, was to do comparable times or beat his times.
-Kirst
Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
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Brutus Utama
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2015.05.06 12:42:37 -
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GIla..... |
HoruSeth
Republic University Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2015.05.06 13:35:10 -
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Brutus Utama wrote:GIla.....
no. read the thread. |
James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
618
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Posted - 2015.05.07 08:34:41 -
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Loki does well, as does tengu. Legion is better than proteus for most l3 blitzing. If you are willing to shell out, a DC2 tanked, max gank AC mach does wonders, but is paper thin if you don't know exactly what is a trigger for what.
Talking more,
Flying crazier,
And drinking more
Making battleships worth the warp
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
163
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Posted - 2015.05.07 11:17:31 -
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James Baboli wrote:Loki does well, as does tengu. Legion is better than proteus for most l3 blitzing. If you are willing to shell out, a DC2 tanked, max gank AC mach does wonders, but is paper thin if you don't know exactly what is a trigger for what.
Unfortunatelly neither Loki nor Legion have subs to increase warp speed. Both Tengu and Proteus have them, and beat a Mach in thit regard. So basically Warp speed with mach loki and legion would be the same 5.22 with 3x HVO tech 2. But Mach got superrior weapon vs t3. That is why only Tengu and Proteus been added to Mach as the best competitors. |
Traejun DiSanctis
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
106
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Posted - 2015.05.08 05:08:48 -
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Myrmidon: AFK drone madness. Hurricane: Takes a little more paying attention, but the payoff is excellent. |
Exotic Matters
Fried Liver Attack
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:19:00 -
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For a ship requiring lower skill requirements, like most people that are doing L3 missions, a hurricane (650 arty) can complete them pretty quickly, and the fleet issue is a little better with the extra utility high so you can fit 2 RLML's. For L3's you can fit warp speed rigs as tank is seldom a problem. I have also completed most of the L4 missions in a hurricane as well although in that case it takes some skill and can get dicey at times. |
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The Bigpuns
Touring New Eden Haven.
0
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:00:59 -
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Ishtar ftw. Even after its nerf, dps and application is superb, zero ammo costs, selectable damage, and never a wasted train. |
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
126
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Posted - 2015.05.08 21:24:22 -
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I see what's going on. . .
There's talk of doing L3 missions fast. There are lots of ships that can do them fast.
There's talk of doing L3 missions very fast. There are also lots of ship that can do them very fast.
There's talk of just blitzing L3s, using any ship just to do what is required to get the mission done.
Then there is blitzing with the Mach or the Tengu, where you are going like a bat out of hell with your hair on fire. Where travel time is about 60 sec round trip, and you spend anywhere from 24 sec to 2min in missions just taking out what is required for the blitz. For the comparison between the Mach and the Tengu, seconds mattered. But that was between me and Stoic.
-Kirst
Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
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Exotic Matters
Fried Liver Attack
32
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Posted - 2015.05.08 22:08:59 -
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Of course if you want to have fun try doing them in a assault frigate, except in the easily blitzed missions it won't be fast, but it is a blast, and if you practice doing it with entirely manual flying it will get you some practice piloting for PvP. I sometimes to do it to test the handling and tracking of newly cooked up fits. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1450
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Posted - 2015.05.11 09:42:29 -
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Cheap solution: Any missile based T1 battleship. just equip it with rapid heavies and AB/MJD combo
Not cheap solution: Gila or Ishtar, a T3 Cruiser or Mach |
HoruSeth
Republic University Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2015.05.11 14:04:43 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:Cheap Only solution to the question thread opener was caring about:
Any missile based T1 battleship. just equip it with rapid heavies and AB/MJD combo
Not cheap solution: Gila or Ishtar, a T3 Cruiser Tengu or Mach
is it really so hard to not post unquestioned replies again and again in a thread, where the questions was solved pages before?
Unbelievable. |
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
149
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Posted - 2015.05.11 14:37:09 -
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but but but... you didnt post your fit
Will gank for food
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HoruSeth
Republic University Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2015.05.11 14:41:56 -
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not finished yet. My current fit is armor, warpcorestab, hornet EC-300 and has a cloak. I am trying to figure out how that may be argueable to help for blitzing level 3 missions. I am sure I can find an explaination, even if it might just be "cheap". But when I find it, I post it. |
Clarity Frager
Plutus Industrial Covenant
0
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Posted - 2015.05.11 18:56:17 -
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Would a Gila work? that is usually my go to
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1450
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Posted - 2015.05.11 22:02:02 -
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HoruSeth wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:Cheap Only solution to the question thread opener was caring about:
Any missile based T1 battleship. just equip it with rapid heavies and AB/MJD combo
Not cheap solution: Gila or Ishtar, a T3 Cruiser Tengu (maybe Proteus) or Mach
is it really so hard to not post unquestioned replies again and again in a thread, where the questions was solved pages before? Unbelievable. BTW: Nobody listed Skiff so far. WTF. I bet you can do Level 3 in it as well. Not, blitz, but 90% here don't care about that anyway, so first posting Skiff. Cya again in this thread in 3-4 days :)
OP asked for advice on blitzing blitzing means killing certain ships fast RHML also does this very well in L3 missions
also the 'best' fit ??
this is eve best is variable and contradictory
there is "no fit to make all_the_things bleed from their anus" in this game |
Uriam Khanid
New Machinarium Corporation
2
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Posted - 2015.05.11 23:51:09 -
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all AF, T2 destroeyers, T3d - fast, cheaper than BC, enough dps HIC, HAC, Tier 3 BC with middle/large guns - huge dps, tank. |
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Paranoid Loyd
5080
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Posted - 2015.05.11 23:54:45 -
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This thread sure did get dumb.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
132
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Posted - 2015.05.12 01:21:58 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote: This thread sure did get dumb.
I agree.
Maybe I can make a few corrections.
Blitzing missions is just doing what is required to complete the mission. The requirements can be found in each mission report.
If I may speak for Stoic, what he wanted to do was to see how much isk could be made per hour in blitzing L3s with a Mach. From his detailed spread sheet he was making about 90+M per hour. But he just wasn't blitzing the missions, he was trying to complete each mission as fast as he could, and then go on to the next mission, and the next, etc.
In doing this he used a stop watch. He would start his timer when he clicked "undocked", and stopped the timer after he clicked on "mission complete" with his agent. He kept track of his travel time and his mission time. It is not easy to keep up this hectic pace.
Using drones or missiles take too much time for this type of blitzing.
Maybe I should give it a new name like "Turbo-Blitzing", or "Superfast-blitzing", to distinguish it from regular blitzing.
For example, here are some comparisons between Stoic's Mach, and Kirst's Tengu:
Damsel in Distress:
Mach's travel time: 1m29s Mach's mission time: 20s Mach's total time: 1m49s
Tengu's travel time: 1m08s, Tengu's mission time: 18s Tengu's total time: 1m26s
Duo of Death:
Mach's travel time: 1m33s Mach's mission time: 1m08s Mach's total time: 2m41s
Tengu's travel time: 1m08s Tengu's mission time: 1m04s Tengu's total time: 2m 12s
So, that's what I'm talking about when I blitz L3s.
Don't be shy, step right up, try your luck, see if you can beat the Mach, just follow the rules. You will learn very quickly what will work, and what won't, at your attempt to Turbo-Blitz L3s. (yep, a little prodding, and a little sarcasm.) You need to be fast, very fast, agile, and be able to knock out things very quickly. So try your T2 Destroyers, and your T3 BCs, that HIC, or that Hack. Oh, sure you can blitz the missions, but you can't do them like the Mach or the Tengu.
-Kirst
Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
172
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Posted - 2015.05.12 01:36:51 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote: This thread sure did get dumb.
Reading is hard sometimes. As soo as some1 saw "mission blitzing" they start bringing up what they used to have. I'm sure 95% of mission runner don't even bother to do a timewatch. This thread was about to find the best blitzers which we did.
I do my preparation to test Cynabal...
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Gh0stBust3rs
Wraith Shadow Guards
60
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Posted - 2015.05.15 22:05:14 -
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[Skiff]
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322 dps 20hp/s tank and warps in at 5.16 au
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15904
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Posted - 2015.05.17 11:16:55 -
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Gh0stBust3rs wrote:[Skiff]
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Drone Link Augmentor II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Valkyrie II x7
322 dps 20hp/s tank and warps in at 5.16 au
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